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"Tuttles Almanac" |
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13 Jul 2005 10:03:22 PM |
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Catholics divided on Evolution |
Questions for Pope on Evolution Stance
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/national/13pope.html?
Three scientists, two of them Roman Catholic biologists, have asked
Pope Benedict XVI to clarify the church's position on evolution in
light of recent statements by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, an influential
theologian, that the modern theory of evolution may be incompatible
with Catholic faith.
The scientists asked the pope to reaffirm earlier statements on the
subject by Pope John Paul II and others "that scientific rationality
and the church's commitment to divine purpose and meaning in the
universe were not incompatible." It is crucial, their letter says,
"that in these difficult and contentious times the Catholic Church
not build a new divide, long ago eradicated, between the scientific
method and religious belief."
Lawrence M. Krauss, a physicist at Case Western Reserve University,
wrote the letter on behalf of himself and the two biologists,
Dr. Francisco J. Ayala of the University of California, Irvine,
a former Dominican priest, and Kenneth R. Miller of Brown University,
a Roman Catholic who has written on the reconciliation of science
and faith.
Cardinal Schönborn's remarks, which appeared Thursday in an essay on
the Op-Ed page of The New York Times, were prompted in part by an
essay Dr. Krauss wrote in Science Times in May on the compatibility
of religion and evolution. The Vatican press office, contacted Tuesday,
had no comment on Cardinal Schönborn's article.
Dr. Krauss, who is not Catholic, said yesterday that the letter was
en route to Cardinal Schönborn.
In his essay, Cardinal Schönborn said the theory of evolution, as it is
understood by scientists today, is not true. He dismissed Pope John Paul's
comments on the subject in 1996 as "rather vague and unimportant."
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Curiously enough, Clover had not remembered that the Fourth Commandment
mentioned sheets; but as it was there on the wall, it must have done so.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
13 Jul 2005 10:17:23 PM |
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So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
14 Jul 2005 09:24:51 AM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution. It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
More on point
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VOFTalks.html
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
14 Jul 2005 11:52:01 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this issue.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
14 Jul 2005 12:37:47 PM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The Church
compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to compile the
Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the constitution and
bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon for another 70+ years.
Also realize that everything in the Bible that pre-dated Abraham is pagan.
We don't get into Jewish/Christian religious history until Abraham. If it
isn't pagan then what else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament (Metzger,
42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees - Metzger,
47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for the Gospels -
Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture in
Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek Church in
1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews (contested by
Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern churches)?
"Palpable evidence of the unity of the church... publication [of
Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts reject the
Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In this seens, Prots
think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if only they have the
Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
15 Jul 2005 11:14:34 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The Church
compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to compile the
Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the constitution and
bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon for another 70+ years.
Also realize that everything in the Bible that pre-dated Abraham is pagan.
We don't get into Jewish/Christian religious history until Abraham. If it
isn't pagan then what else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament (Metzger,
42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees - Metzger,
47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for the Gospels -
Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture in
Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek Church in
1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews (contested by
Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern churches)?
"Palpable evidence of the unity of the church... publication [of
Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts reject the
Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In this seens, Prots
think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if only they have the
Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
16 Jul 2005 08:26:40 AM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The Church
compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to compile the
Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the constitution and
bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon for another 70+ years.
Also realize that everything in the Bible that pre-dated Abraham is pagan.
We don't get into Jewish/Christian religious history until Abraham. If it
isn't pagan then what else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament (Metzger,
42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger,
47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for the Gospels -
Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture in
Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek Church
in
1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews (contested by
Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern churches)?
"Palpable evidence of the unity of the church... publication [of
Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the empire." (Hoover,
47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts reject
the
Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In this seens,
Prots
think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if only they have the
Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
"Godless catholics...?" Stupid oxymoron
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
16 Jul 2005 10:19:44 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:26:40 -0500, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the Bible
cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution is a
possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on the earth.
Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says that God created
all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics are unsure what to
oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The Church
compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to compile the
Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the constitution and
bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon for another 70+ years.
Also realize that everything in the Bible that pre-dated Abraham is pagan.
We don't get into Jewish/Christian religious history until Abraham. If it
isn't pagan then what else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament (Metzger,
42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger,
47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for the Gospels -
Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture in
Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek Church
in
1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews (contested by
Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern churches)?
"Palpable evidence of the unity of the church... publication [of
Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the empire." (Hoover,
47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts reject
the
Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In this seens,
Prots
think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if only they have the
Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
"Godless catholics...?" Stupid oxymoron
No, Catholics reject the God of the Bible and make up a false "god" to
suit their pagan lusts. Since their false "god" is fictional, they
have no god at all.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
16 Jul 2005 03:33:27 PM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
16 Jul 2005 10:21:20 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since Catholicism
is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a god.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
17 Jul 2005 05:50:53 AM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since Catholicism
is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell. I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's nothing
God can do for you.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
18 Jul 2005 12:01:19 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government, the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church. In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since Catholicism
is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's nothing
God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him with
the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
18 Jul 2005 05:45:58 PM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since Catholicism
is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's nothing
God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him with
the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
18 Jul 2005 11:29:35 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:58 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in the
Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms on
the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the Catholics
are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history. The
Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350 years to
compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what else
would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except Maccabees -
Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern) Greek
Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes both Hebrews
(contested by Western churches) Revelation (contested by Eastern
churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity of the church...
publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy Scouts
reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts' traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which said
that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since Catholicism
is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
Then your case is a lie, like almost everything that comes from the
Vatican.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
Absolute truth. Catholicism only serves Satan even if the Clergy does
a little babylonian dance to hide the identity of their master.
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I said I'M NOT CATHOLIC.
The Pope is Satan's servant on Earth.
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's nothing
God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him with
the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
I LOVE God, but his enemy the Pope I hold is disgust.
.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
19 Jul 2005 09:44:52 AM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:480pd1li6stob240fbhvrp7ovan537qjdv@4ax.com:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:58 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@ 4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in
the Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms
on the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible
only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the
Catholics are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the
forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history.
The Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350
years to compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of
government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what
else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except
Maccabees - Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a
textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern)
Greek Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes
both Hebrews (contested by Western churches) Revelation
(contested by Eastern churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity
of the church... publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also
symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy
Scouts reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the
Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts'
traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies
atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which
said that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are
divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since
Catholicism is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a
god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
Then your case is a lie, like almost everything that comes from the
Vatican.
Nope, my case does not come from the Vatican, it comes from YOU.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
Absolute truth. Catholicism only serves Satan even if the Clergy does
a little babylonian dance to hide the identity of their master.
And you know this because your master, Satan, told you in a dream, right?
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I said I'M NOT CATHOLIC.
I know. You also lied a number of times. The father of lies is Satan.
The Pope is Satan's servant on Earth.
So I guess you and the Pope serve the same master?
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's
nothing God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him
with the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
I LOVE God, but his enemy the Pope I hold is disgust.
Stop lying....well, I can't MAKE you stop, but the only place you can do
it for eternity is....HELL!
So, I guess that's where you want to end up, right?
So, did you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your rather rash
statements or is false witness just the mainstay of your infernal
"religion?"
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
20 Jul 2005 02:10:23 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:44:52 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:480pd1li6stob240fbhvrp7ovan537qjdv@4ax.com:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:58 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@ 4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in
the Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life forms
on the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible
only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the
Catholics are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss the
forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history.
The Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350
years to compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of
government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what
else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except
Maccabees - Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a
textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern)
Greek Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes
both Hebrews (contested by Western churches) Revelation
(contested by Eastern churches)? "Palpable evidence of the unity
of the church... publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also
symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy
Scouts reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of the
Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts'
traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies
atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which
said that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are
divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since
Catholicism is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT a
god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
Then your case is a lie, like almost everything that comes from the
Vatican.
Nope, my case does not come from the Vatican, it comes from YOU.
No you make false accusations because you cannot prove your claims
using the Bible. By making these personal attacks you admit that you
cannot support your claim and that I am correct. I will take all your
personal attacks as admissions that I am correct.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
Absolute truth. Catholicism only serves Satan even if the Clergy does
a little babylonian dance to hide the identity of their master.
And you know this because your master, Satan, told you in a dream, right?
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I said I'M NOT CATHOLIC.
I know. You also lied a number of times. The father of lies is Satan.
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The Pope is Satan's servant on Earth.
So I guess you and the Pope serve the same master?
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's
nothing God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him
with the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
I LOVE God, but his enemy the Pope I hold is disgust.
Stop lying....well, I can't MAKE you stop, but the only place you can do
it for eternity is....HELL!
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, I guess that's where you want to end up, right?
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, did you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your rather rash
statements or is false witness just the mainstay of your infernal
"religion?"
....Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
20 Jul 2005 09:26:13 AM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:n0urd1dr21cn0hc1afuu5ka14jcfnvob85@
4ax.com:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:44:52 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:480pd1li6stob240fbhvrp7ovan537qjdv@4ax.com:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:58 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in
the Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory
of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life
forms
on the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible
only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the
Catholics are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss
the
forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on
this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history.
The Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350
years to compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of
government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the
Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what
else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except
Maccabees - Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a
textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern)
Greek Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes
both Hebrews (contested by Western churches) Revelation
(contested by Eastern churches)? "Palpable evidence of the
unity
of the church... publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also
symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy
Scouts reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of
the
Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts'
traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies
atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which
said that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are
divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since
Catholicism is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT
a
god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
Then your case is a lie, like almost everything that comes from the
Vatican.
Nope, my case does not come from the Vatican, it comes from YOU.
No you make false accusations because you cannot prove your claims
using the Bible. By making these personal attacks you admit that you
cannot support your claim and that I am correct. I will take all your
personal attacks as admissions that I am correct.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything
else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
Absolute truth. Catholicism only serves Satan even if the Clergy
does
a little babylonian dance to hide the identity of their master.
And you know this because your master, Satan, told you in a dream,
right?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I said I'M NOT CATHOLIC.
I know. You also lied a number of times. The father of lies is Satan.
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The Pope is Satan's servant on Earth.
So I guess you and the Pope serve the same master?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's
nothing God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him
with the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
I LOVE God, but his enemy the Pope I hold is disgust.
Stop lying....well, I can't MAKE you stop, but the only place you can
do
it for eternity is....HELL!
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, I guess that's where you want to end up, right?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, did you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your rather rash
statements or is false witness just the mainstay of your infernal
"religion?"
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
Excuse me?!? One more question, did you graduate from the Baghdad Bob
school of apologetics?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
20 Jul 2005 12:23:12 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:26:13 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:n0urd1dr21cn0hc1afuu5ka14jcfnvob85@
4ax.com:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:44:52 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:480pd1li6stob240fbhvrp7ovan537qjdv@4ax.com:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:58 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qodmd11mjq7d0g1ebjrkcl27be3ek8tehd@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:50:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:qijjd1hou3edoq5qncufghcjlhr0b129un@ 4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:33:27 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:4ctdd1t7aop0h3picvgk6qeb079atns09s@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:47 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:0s5dd199oh9kt9ffbkqt3pugki8v54rid2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:51 GMT, "Scott" <scott@nospam.net>
wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:f1mbd19b14047rqiuk1bq1hktudevgl10u@4ax.com...
So, the Catholic Church which opposes almost everything in
the Bible cannot decide whether to accept that the Theory
of
Evolution
is a possible explanation for how gor created the life
forms
on the earth. Well that is not surprising since the Bible
only
says
that God created all life, not how He did it. So the
Catholics are unsure what to oppose. Figures, they miss
the
forest for
the
trees.
Incorrect. The Church is not against evolution.
No one said it was.
The Catholic church is against the BIBLE.
Since the Bible does not state how mankind was created, the
catholic
church is confused as to how to best reject the Bibnle on
this
issue.
The Church is against the BIBLE? You don't know your history.
The Church compiled the books in the Bible. It took about 350
years to compile the Bible. Compared to the American system of
government,
the
constitution and bill of rights wouldn't be written and decided
upon
for another 70+ years. Also realize that everything in the
Bible
that
pre-dated Abraham is pagan. We don't get into Jewish/Christian
religious history until Abraham. If it isn't pagan then what
else would it be? I can't be hebrew.
http://www.drury.edu/ess/values/christianscriptures.html
ca. 350codex Sinaiticus - Old Testament, complete New Testament
(Metzger, 42-6).
B codex Vaticanus - both Testaments + Apocrypha (except
Maccabees - Metzger, 47f.; of "undisputed precedence" as a
textual authority
for
the Gospels - Nestle-Aland, 11)
367 Athanasius' festal letter, defining canon of Christian
Scripture
in Catholic Church
[prior to split between (Western) Roman Church and (Eastern)
Greek Church in 1054] "political accomodation" that includes
both Hebrews (contested by Western churches) Revelation
(contested by Eastern churches)? "Palpable evidence of the
unity
of the church... publication [of Constantine's Bibles] also
symbolized the unity of
the
empire." (Hoover, 47)
To say the Church rejects the Bible is like saying the Boy
Scouts reject the Scout Handbook. The Bible *is* the book of
the
Church.
In
this seens, Prots think they can reject the Boy Scouts'
traditions
if
only they have the Handbook.
It's only against atheistic
evolution or evolutionists who profess evolution implies
atheism.
No one said anything about Atheism.
The Evil of Catholicism was the topic.
It's a response to the original post
Then you did not bother to understand the original post which
said that the godless catholics are "DIVIDED ON EVOLUTION."
I rest my case. You ARE bearing false witness.
No I am not, the original post said that the Catholics are
divided.
If you mean my adjective, "godless," it is accurate since
Catholicism is the ***** of Babylon and serves Satan, who is NOT
a
god.
Like I said, I rest my case.
So your "case" is that you do not believe that I am Catholic?
No, my case is that I know you are not truthful.
Then your case is a lie, like almost everything that comes from the
Vatican.
Nope, my case does not come from the Vatican, it comes from YOU.
No you make false accusations because you cannot prove your claims
using the Bible. By making these personal attacks you admit that you
cannot support your claim and that I am correct. I will take all your
personal attacks as admissions that I am correct.
You can take your lies back to your master in hell.
LOL, I said I am NOT Catholic.
I think we can trust that THIS is not a lie. But most everything
else
you say is, such as:
Catholicism is Satanism, pure and simple, a bit insideous, but pure
none the less.
Absolute truth. Catholicism only serves Satan even if the Clergy
does
a little babylonian dance to hide the identity of their master.
And you know this because your master, Satan, told you in a dream,
right?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The only thing pure here is your commitment to your father in hell.
I said I'M NOT CATHOLIC.
I know. You also lied a number of times. The father of lies is Satan.
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
The Pope is Satan's servant on Earth.
So I guess you and the Pope serve the same master?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
I'm done with
admonishing you. If you love him so much, then I guess there's
nothing God can do for you.
I Lve god, not the Popes who blaspheme against Him and curse Him
with the Cup of Abominations (Rev 17).
Stop lying. You hate God almost as much as you hate the Pope.
I LOVE God, but his enemy the Pope I hold is disgust.
Stop lying....well, I can't MAKE you stop, but the only place you can
do
it for eternity is....HELL!
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, I guess that's where you want to end up, right?
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
So, did you actually have any EVIDENCE to support your rather rash
statements or is false witness just the mainstay of your infernal
"religion?"
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
Excuse me?!? One more question, did you graduate from the Baghdad Bob
school of apologetics?
I just learned to descipher your code. you make personal attacks and
false accusations when you know that the other person is correct but
you desire to retain your incorrect ideas.
And so...
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
21 Jul 2005 01:17:43 AM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:q02td1t0ujmghh4boo6bjb1j8ht2aipe7s@4ax.com:
And so...
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
You're a pillock! But then you knew that without me telling you.
And, quite evidently, Baghdad Bobbery is one of your principal modes.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
21 Jul 2005 12:50:33 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:17:43 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:q02td1t0ujmghh4boo6bjb1j8ht2aipe7s@4ax.com:
And so...
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
You're a pillock! But then you knew that without me telling you.
So you continue your pattern of making personal attacks when you know
that you are in the worng...
And, quite evidently, Baghdad Bobbery is one of your principal modes.
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
21 Jul 2005 10:07:48 PM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:s0ovd1lriam8flq991p70qhr9kn7schs79@
4ax.com:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:17:43 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:q02td1t0ujmghh4boo6bjb1j8ht2aipe7s@4ax.com:
And so...
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
You're a pillock! But then you knew that without me telling you.
So you continue your pattern of making personal attacks when you know
that you are in the worng...
Nope...I just pointed out the obvious. You jumped in here with some
totally revisionist history that wasn't even really relevant to the
topic, thus demonstrating your obsession with the RCC.
And, quite evidently, Baghdad Bobbery is one of your principal modes.
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You're SOOOO smart. I mean a brick could outwit you! Is THAT what
happened?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
22 Jul 2005 11:58:50 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:07:48 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:s0ovd1lriam8flq991p70qhr9kn7schs79@
4ax.com:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:17:43 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:q02td1t0ujmghh4boo6bjb1j8ht2aipe7s@4ax.com:
And so...
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
You're a pillock! But then you knew that without me telling you.
So you continue your pattern of making personal attacks when you know
that you are in the worng...
Nope...I just pointed out the obvious. You jumped in here with some
totally revisionist history that wasn't even really relevant to the
topic, thus demonstrating your obsession with the RCC.
And, quite evidently, Baghdad Bobbery is one of your principal modes.
...Another admission that you are wrong. Thanks!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You're SOOOO smart. I mean a brick could outwit you! Is THAT what
happened?
So now you can think of nothing at all to justify the evil actions and
anti-biblical theologies of Catholicism, and are just left with your
hatred. I pity you.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
23 Jul 2005 12:58:26 PM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:ua92e1p13jgmd2gl196o0igajr175qq1h2@
4ax.com:
You're SOOOO smart. I mean a brick could outwit you! Is THAT what
happened?
So now you can think of nothing at all to justify the evil actions and
anti-biblical theologies of Catholicism, and are just left with your
hatred. I pity you.
I wasn't trying to justify them. I was pointing out that you were
publishing revisionist history. You're a very confused person if you
think that pointing out your historical revisionism is in any way a
defence of the RCC.
But then I don't agree with your theology, which, frankly is as anti-
biblical as they come, since you defend the practice of false witness,
which is a sin.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
God is an evolutionist.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: Catholics divided on Evolution |
25 Jul 2005 02:55:22 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:58:26 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in news:ua92e1p13jgmd2gl196o0igajr175qq1h2@
4ax.com:
You're SOOOO smart. I mean a brick could outwit you! Is THAT what
happened?
So now you can think of nothing at all to justify the evil actions and
anti-biblical theologies of Catholicism, and are just left with your
hatred. I pity you.
I wasn't trying to justify them. I was pointing out that you were
publishing revisionist history. You're a very confused person if you
think that pointing out your historical revisionism is in any way a
defence of the RCC.
David you agreed with the elements recorded in secular history.
But when the Catholic rivisionist history that contradicts | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |