Religions > Bible > Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
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Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
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30 Nov 2007 08:06:37 AM |
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"Spiritman" <Spiritman@q.com> wrote in message
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Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of
God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not
flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the
promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to
belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's
seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Notice the Abrahamic covenant was one of "promise". You can't
become and heir on the basis of promise, then loose it because
you failed to bring something to the table, or maintain some
standard. The idea you can, is the exact damnable heresy
Galatians was written to refute, and amounts to a gospel of
salvation through personal merits.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was
confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four
hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it
should make the promise of none effect.
God confirmed and expanded upon the Abrahamic promise in the
Palestinian, Davidic, and New Covenants, in which Israel was
again and again, even after miserable failures and exile,
promised the land, and seed to rule on David's throne. Since
Christ is the fulfillment of this promise, He will reign on
David's throne, in the land, from Jerusalem, over a
spiritually restored Israel.
Romans 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild
by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good
olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural
branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of
this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the
fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There
shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away
their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Notice, "Israel" shall be saved "as it is written", not in the
manner of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in. These
aren't people who are currently being saved, as they are now
"enemies" concerning the gospel, yet are "beloved for the
Father's sakes". Romans 11 makes a clear contrast between the
fullness of the Gentiles, and the fullness of Israel, and both
are branches on the olive tree of blessing. Israel was
temporarily broken off as a branch so the Gentiles might be
grafted in, and yet will also, themselves, again be grafted in
as a branch.
The Tribulation is for Israel and the inhabitants of the earth
(Jer. 30:4-7; Mt. 24-25; Rom. 11:25ff.; Rev. 3:10; 6:10; 8:13;
11:10; 12:12-13; 13:8, 12, 14; 14:6; 17:8). It is the time of
"Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7), "concerning Israel and
concerning Judah" (Jer. 30:4), and Jacob shall be saved out of
it (Jer. 30:7), in keeping with God's gifts and promises to
Israel, which are without repentance (Rom. 11:29; Jer.
3:17-18; 31:31-37; 32:37-41; 33:24-26; Eze. 34:22; 34:22-32;
37:21-28; 35:25-29; ). This will occur after the fullness of
the Gentiles (church age) has come in (past), according to
Romans 11:25, and then, in the "manner written" (not "in the
manner of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in", as
preterists would have you believe, but which contradicts the
clear contrast between Israel and Gentiles throughout Romans
11), "all Israel shall be saved" (Isa. 11:11-16; 45:17;
54:6-10; Jer 3:17-23; 30:17-22' 31:31-37; Jer 32:37-41;
33:24-26; Eze. 34:22-31; 37:21-28; 39:25-29; Eze. 40:1-48:35;
Ho. 3:5; Joel 3:16-21; Am. 9:14,15; Mic. 7:15-20; Zep.
3:12-20; Zec. 10:6-12; Rom. 11:26; Rev. 7:4), when the
deliverer comes out of Zion (Rom. 11:26; Ps. 14:7; Isa.
59:20).
The 144,000 sealed from "all the tribes of the children of
Israel" (Rev. 7:4), are the "election" (Mt. 24:22, 24, 31;
Rom. 11:28), which shall be gathered from the four quarters of
the earth (Isa. 11:12; Mt. 24:31), and saved at the end of the
Tribulation, when Christ returns to earth with His wife, the
church (Isa. 50:1; Jer. 3:8; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:31-32; Rev.
19:7-8, 14), to the marriage supper of the Lamb on earth (Rev.
19:7, 9).
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. ? 2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 12:06:52 AM |
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"®andy" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Notice the Abrahamic covenant was one of "promise".
A "covenant" is a two-part agreement binding on both parties.
If either party breaks the covenant, it is annulled.
You can't become and heir on the basis of promise, then loose it because
you failed to bring something to the table, or maintain some standard.
This is a concept Paul disproves in Romans 11, as half the branches of
"Israel" are cast out for unbelief.
The idea you can, is the exact damnable heresy Galatians was written to
refute, and amounts to a gospel of salvation through personal merits.
No, Galatians was written because Peter was listening to Pharisees who had
weaseled their way into the church and circumcising Gentiles.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed
before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years
after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
And it didn't: Those Israelites who abide in the covenant will remain. Those
who don't will be cast out, and Gentile "branches" will be grafted in their
place.
God confirmed and expanded upon the Abrahamic promise in the Palestinian,
Davidic, and New Covenants,
No.
1) God did not "expand" on the Abrahamic promise--He only clarified it.
2) The New Covenant DOES replace the Old.
Jer 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT according to the
covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the
hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant THEY BRAKE,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel; AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward
parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall
be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and
every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will
forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Moreover, Jesus concluded the Old Covenant and established the New,
terminating the Old Testament distinction where it was, and starting the
Gospel of Grace...
Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the
kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
The crucifixion terminated the promise of the Old Testament to Israelites
only, and opened the door of salvation to anyone who believes, regardless of
race. This is the "age of the Gentiles."
in which Israel was again and again, even after miserable failures and
exile, promised the land, and seed to rule on David's throne. Since
Christ is the fulfillment of this promise, He will reign on David's
throne, in the land, from Jerusalem, over a spiritually restored Israel.
Wrong again.
Jesus will rule from Jerusalem starting with a NEW seed, derived from the
previous two "seeds," that will "keep the commandments of God AND has the
faith of Jesus," etc., etc. as there are no longer any "Israelites" or
"Gentiles," as prophesied by Jeremiah...
Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house
of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of
beast.
Israel is now fully merged into the Gentiles and the Gentiles into Israel to
the point that one has to either say that there are no "Israelites" and
"Gentiles," or that everyone is an "Israelite" or "Gentile."
This leaves us with the Jews who say they are Jews, but are not, but do lie,
a fact that Jesus, Paul, and John fully elucidated and illustrated.
Romans 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature,
and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more
shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own
olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come
out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as
touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Notice, "Israel" shall be saved "as it is written", not in the manner of
the fullness of the Gentiles coming in.
Here you go again, totally botching the interpretation of what Paul was
saying.
These aren't people who are currently being saved, as they are now
"enemies" concerning the gospel, yet are "beloved for the Father's sakes".
"These people" are not "currently being saved" because the law was until
John, and now the Gospel is being preached, and they don't accept the
Gospel.
Romans 11 makes a clear contrast between the fullness of the Gentiles,
and the fullness of Israel, and both are branches on the olive tree of
blessing.
Totally wrong.
Israel is the "natural" olive tree.
The Gentiles are the "wild" olive tree.
God will cast down the branches of Israel who don't abide in Him and graft
branches from the Gentile believers into their place.
This is why John's first aside in Revelation is the upside-down version of
Ezekiel's opening vision.
In Ezekiel, given to Israel, the figures below the firmament are deciding
who is above that needs to be brought down.
In Revelation, given to the Churches, the figures above the firmaments are
deciding who is below that needs to be brought up.
And so ALL ISRAEL, i.e. whole Israel, shall be saved.
This does NOT mean that everyone who claims to be an Israelite is in (as
they "are not all Israel that are of Israel), nor everyone who claims to be
a Christian is in (as many shall say "Lord, Lord," but He'll say He never
knew them).
Israel was temporarily broken off as a branch so the Gentiles might be
grafted in, and yet will also, themselves, again be grafted in as a
branch.
There is no TEMPORARILY in Paul's statements.
Paul said that branches WILL BE cast out, and that the Gentile branches WILL
BE grafted in, but that the Gentile "branches" better not be high-minded,
and should fear, for if God graft them in, He can cast them out and graft
original branches back in.
But once the issues are settled, and the trees are balanced, what is set
will be set.
The Tribulation is for Israel and the inhabitants of the earth (Jer.
30:4-7; Mt. 24-25; Rom. 11:25ff.; Rev. 3:10; 6:10; 8:13; 11:10; 12:12-13;
13:8, 12, 14; 14:6; 17:8). It is the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Jer.
30:7), "concerning Israel and concerning Judah" (Jer. 30:4), and Jacob
shall be saved out of it (Jer. 30:7), in keeping with God's gifts and
promises to Israel, which are without repentance (Rom. 11:29; Jer.
3:17-18; 31:31-37; 32:37-41; 33:24-26; Eze. 34:22; 34:22-32; 37:21-28;
35:25-29; ).
A DISPENSATIONALIST LIE!
Jesus doesn't even introduce Israel into Revelation as a subject until AFTER
the seven seals, which outline the Beginning of Sorrows in which the true
Christians are accused (first horse), persecuted (second horse),
discriminated against (third horse), and executed (fourth horse), a process
that continues until the church is eliminated (as spoken of in the fifth
seal and continuing to the completion of the martyrs).
The sixth seal outlines the final phases of the Beginning of Sorrows, giving
way to the trumpets, which outline the rise and rule of the antitrinity.
(And it takes the beasts "mark" to fully complete the elimination of the
true churches, as everyone is forced to either take the mark or die for the
faith.)
This will occur after the fullness of the Gentiles (church age) has come
in (past), according to Romans 11:25, and then, in the "manner written"
(not "in the manner of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in", as
preterists would have you believe, but which contradicts the clear
contrast between Israel and Gentiles throughout Romans 11), "all Israel
shall be saved" (Isa. 11:11-16; 45:17; 54:6-10; Jer 3:17-23; 30:17-22'
31:31-37; Jer 32:37-41; 33:24-26; Eze. 34:22-31; 37:21-28; 39:25-29; Eze.
40:1-48:35; Ho. 3:5; Joel 3:16-21; Am. 9:14,15; Mic. 7:15-20; Zep.
3:12-20; Zec. 10:6-12; Rom. 11:26; Rev. 7:4), when the deliverer comes out
of Zion (Rom. 11:26; Ps. 14:7; Isa. 59:20).
Which is where the lying Dispensationalists insert the lying "rapture"
doctrine, which is simply NOT true.
The 144,000 sealed from "all the tribes of the children of Israel" (Rev.
7:4), are the "election" (Mt. 24:22, 24, 31; Rom. 11:28), which shall be
gathered from the four quarters of the earth (Isa. 11:12; Mt. 24:31), and
saved at the end of the Tribulation, when Christ returns to earth with His
wife, the church (Isa. 50:1; Jer. 3:8; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:31-32; Rev.
19:7-8, 14), to the marriage supper of the Lamb on earth (Rev. 19:7, 9).
The 144,000 will be the last bastion of Christianity left on earth after the
world has run the churches off (or defiled them), AND they will be the seed
of the restoration of a true Israel, the third Israel, which will be born
from the "Father" of the Old Testament and the "Mother" of the New
Testament, that is, they will "keep the commandments of God AND have the
testimony of Jesus Christ."
However, they have nothing to do with God processing the Israel that "was"
or the Israel that "is" in the resurrection, when God sends everyone back to
the beginning of all things to sort out who is staying and who is leaving,
as per Malachi...
Mal 3:17-4:3
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make
up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that
serveth him.
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the
proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that
cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them
neither root nor branch.
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with
healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the
stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the
soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
In the world, this will only take an instant as the resurrection and the
triumphant return are only separated by a little time. But in eternity, this
process, initiated at the resurrection, started from before the founding of
the world, and will continue until the last half-hour before the
resurrection, when God clears the decks (for one's outbound self cannot run
into one's inbound self).
Thus will "whole Israel" be processed and set for the triumphant return.
Ike
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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29 Nov 2007 10:34:32 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:55:25 -0800 (PST), Spiritman
<Spiritman@q.com> said the following:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Wait a minute... I thought that was only for Jews? :)
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GODISNOWHERE (now read it again)
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
30 Nov 2007 08:13:19 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:55:25 -0800 (PST), Spiritman
<Spiritman@q.com> said the following:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of
God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not
flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the
promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to
belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's
seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Wait a minute... I thought that was only for Jews? :)
No, you think it is only for the church. Israel will be
restored as a branch.
Romans 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild
by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good
olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural
branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of
this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the
fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There
shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away
their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes".
That is not talking about Jews being saved, along with the
Gentiles, and thereby becoming some new "Israel", but the
Israel which is an enemy of the gospel until the fullness of
the Gentiles "has come in". This Israel, which is an enemy of
the gospel, is the one whose sins shall be taken away, and who
shall be saved, in keeping with God's covenant to Israel, in
Jeremiah 30-33.
--
©2007 www.pulpitfire.com, pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. ? 2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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01 Dec 2007 12:14:57 AM |
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"®andy" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
No, you think it is only for the church. Israel will be restored as a
branch.
Nonsense.
Half of Israel is CAST OUT as wicked "branches," making room for the Gentile
"branches" to be grafted in.
It's not "all Israel" as in everyone who says they are Israel.
It's "all Israel" as in everyone who is supposed to BE there, demons being
cast down from above (from the Israelites) or brought up from below (from
the Gentiles).
Romans 11
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature,
and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more
shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own
olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come
out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as
touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes".
The Jews who are Jews indeed, NOT the Jews who where never Jews to begin
with.
The Jews who are Jews indeed are scattered among the nations.
The Jews who are NOT Jews are the Zionists in Jerusalem now, whom God did
NOT call out, but who called themselves out.
That is not talking about Jews being saved, along with the Gentiles, and
thereby becoming some new "Israel",
That's PRECISELY what Jews, nee Israel, this is about--the THIRD Israel of
the Day of the Lord, which is NOT from the Israel that "was" or the Israel
that "is," but come FROM both the Israel that "was" and "is."
but the Israel which is an enemy of the gospel until the fullness of the
Gentiles "has come in". This Israel, which is an enemy of the gospel, is
the one whose sins shall be taken away, and who shall be saved, in keeping
with God's covenant to Israel, in Jeremiah 30-33.
Only if they follow Jesus and His 144,000 Israelite-Christian evangelists,
and stay OUT of the temple of abominations, and DON'T worship the beast (who
will be in Rome), or his image (which will be on the temple mount).
Otherwise, they'll be destroyed like everyone else who does so.
Ike
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
30 Nov 2007 01:54:56 AM |
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On Nov 29, 9:34 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:55:25 -0800 (PST), Spiritman
<Spirit...@q.com> said the following:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Wait a minute... I thought that was only for Jews? :)
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GODISNOWHERE (now read it again)
You mean, I don't have to get my passport approved for travel to
Israel! Boy, I am glad you told me this before I got some of these
one way tickets to the Holy Land. I can also cancel my reservation
at the River Jordan Hilton! LOL Gk
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Dec 2007 10:45:01 PM |
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That makes you the "ssed" of a mythical character
who never existed. -- L.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?B?Um9kIMK/?=" |
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30 Nov 2007 04:01:56 PM |
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Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
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| User: "Spiritman" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
30 Nov 2007 11:54:49 PM |
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On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod =BF <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise, y=
ou don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to Chri=
st.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham'sseed, >>and h=
eirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
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| User: "=?UTF-8?B?Um9kIMK/?=" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 08:30:27 AM |
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Spiritman wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod ¿ <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise, you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham'sseed, >>and heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
I am surprised. I won't pretend that I understand all of what
scripture says, so you will understand why I was caught off guard.
All this time I was thinking that I am just a lowly gentile, and
very honestly I am happy with that. I don't need any bells or whistles,
but I suppose they're nice ot have now and then. How was this
accomplished, if you don't mind cluing an old guy in ?
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| User: "Spiritman" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 05:53:01 PM |
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On Dec 1, 6:30 am, Rod =BF <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod =BF <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian,you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of >God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called aseedof Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise,y=
ou don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to Chri=
st.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's >seed, an=
d heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
I am surprised. I won't pretend that I understand all of what
scripture says, soyouwill understand why I was caught off guard.
All this time I was thinking that I am just a lowly gentile, and
very honestly I am happy with that. I don't need any bells or whistles,
but I suppose they're nice ot have now and then. How was this
accomplished, if you don't mind cluing an old guy in ?
This was accomplished through Christ! I think of it like this. Jesus
was born of the tribe of Judah, a seed of Abraham. When one is "born
again", born of Spirit not flesh, through Christ ( by being washed of
sins, clothed in Christ's righteousness, not our own ), we are then
his brothers and sisters, and if we are his brothers and sisters, we
are then born into the royal family of Abraham, as a seed of Abraham,
through Christ.
As Moses was able to bring forth water from a stone, God was able to
raise up seeds of Abraham from the stones if he wanted to, but the way
he did it was even better, He took for him those who came forth from
The Rock, Jesus our king. John the Baptist spoke to a bunch of
hypocrites who were running the show in the temple in Jerusalem, who
were seeds of Abraham, and made it clear God did not require one to be
born of flesh to become a seed of Abraham, and that they were born in
flesh as seeds of Abraham was not going to save them...
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to
his baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to
flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
Mat 3:9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as
our father,' for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up
children for Abraham.
Mat 3:10 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every
tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
into the fire.
Mat 3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is
coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to
carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Born of Spirit! Born again as a seed of Abraham, an heir according to
the promise...
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one
is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old?
Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is
born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but
you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with
everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?"
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet
you do not understand these things?
Joh 3:11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and
bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our
testimony.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe,
how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from
heaven, the Son of Man.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so
must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?B?Um9kIMK/?=" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 08:31:39 AM |
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Spiritman wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod ¿ <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise, you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham'sseed, >>and heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
Pinggg....I take the question back ! When we are in Christ we have
become a new creature so all are one. Correct or not ?
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| User: "Spiritman" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 05:56:11 PM |
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On Dec 1, 6:31 am, Rod =BF <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod =BF <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through=
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise=
, you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to C=
hrist.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham'sseed, >>an=
d heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
Pinggg....I take the question back ! When we are in Christ we have
become a new creature so all are one. Correct or not ?
Yes! All are one who believe in him, Jew, Gentile, whatever, brothers,
sisters, heirs according to the promises of God through Christ the
Lord.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 10:18:39 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:31:39 GMT, Rod ¿
<nowdefunctmail@nomailanytime.com> said the following:
Spiritman wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:01 pm, Rod ¿ <nowdefunctm...@nomailanytime.com> wrote:
Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God,right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the >>promise, you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to >>belong to Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham'sseed, >>and heirs according to the promise.
Nope !
: )
Now you do! Isn't it amazing!
Pinggg....I take the question back ! When we are in Christ we have
become a new creature so all are one. Correct or not ?
Amen! It isn't about national Jews. The "Israel of God"
is the church, not national Jews. The idiots here will
label that "replacement theology", as if just saying it
makes it wrong, but the fact is, Scripture says what
it says, even if they don't like it. :)
--
Christianity is the only army that shoots its own
wounded soldiers.
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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| Title: Re: Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right? |
01 Dec 2007 06:47:52 PM |
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Spiritman wrote:
Christian, you know you are a seed of Abraham, right?
You know that you are heirs according to the promises of God, right?
You are born into the royal family, born of spirit, not flesh, through
Christ who was of the tribe of Judah.
To be called a seed of Abraham, and an heir according to the promise,
you don't need to be a Jew, or a Gentile, but you do have to belong to
Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.
I'm a gentile, not of the tribe of Judah. Therefore, am not subject to your
ridiculous rabbinical laws and am not infected by original sin like you are.
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God did not need to work miracles to convince atheists but to convert heathens.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
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