"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Tom,

Here's how you get saved. It is in God's Word, the Bible:

First of all, quit being so ignorantly arrogant in assuming you are
religiously elevated enough to tell ANYONE how to believe or act!
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"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Tom,

Here's how you get saved. It is in God's Word, the Bible:

First of all, quit being so ignorantly arrogant in assuming you are
religiously elevated enough to tell ANYONE how to believe or act!

First, admit you are a sinner.

Romans 3:10
(10) As it is written, There is none righteous,
no, not one:

Romans 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of
the glory of God;

Second, Believe that Jesus Christ bore the punishment for your sin on the
cross and rose from the dead.

Romans 10:9-10
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth
the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine
heart that God hath raised him from the
dead, thou shalt be saved.

(10) For with the heart man believeth unto
righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto salvation.

John 11:25-27
(25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection,
and the life: he that believeth in me, though
he were dead, yet shall he live:

(26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall
never die. Believest thou this?

(27) She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that
thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which
should come into the world.

Lastly, call on the Lord to save you.

Romans 10:13
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of
the Lord shall be saved.

John 1:12
(12) But as many as received him, to them gave
he power to become the sons of God, even to
them that believe on his name:

You can't get any clearer than that. Now to answer your question:

"tgm" <tgm3@verizon.net> wrote in message
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In article <j9p583pld13377feqibhheligo9nt5bupi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net
says...

There is one other alternative, you might just believe in things which
are
proven, are objective and actually reflect reality.

I believe what God said and not what man in all his infinite ignorance
says.

Much of it comes from God, which is without error.

duke, American-American

Back to the prior question, do you believe that those who don't accept
Jesus as
their Savior can get into the Kingdom of Heaven?

First of all, it's what's in God's Word, not what we believe. We can
believe whatever we want, but it comes down to what's in God's Word.

And God's Word clearly tells us we can't accept the gift of Jesus Christ
unless we accept Jesus Christ. It's as simple as that. So yes, if you do
not accept Christ Jesus, the Son of God as your savior, you cannot get
into the kingdom of heaven.

Or do you really think that
most of the world is condemned to hell and/or exclusion from heaven?

Again what we believe is irrelevant. The Word of God is quite clear on
this:

Matthew 7:13-14
(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide
is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth
to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the
way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be
that find it.

So the majority of people will not find it and will end up in Hell. To put
it the way you did: most of the world is condemned to hell. It's why
people like me posts these messages here and spread the gospel to others
in person. It's why missionaries give up their current life and go live in
other countries where their religions keep them blind to the truth, and
spread the gospels there.

Matthew 9:36-38
(36) But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved
with compassion on them, because they fainted, and
were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

(37) Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest
truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few;

(38) Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest,
that he will send forth laborers into his harvest.

If the former you are not a Christian by definition

This is false. I've shown you in the Bible that you must accept Jesus
Christ to be saved and get into heaven. What makes you believe a person is
not a Christian for pointing out in God's Word that most of us will end up
in hell?

and if the latter then your are a Eurocentric elitist.

You may wonder why it is so that so many end up in hell. Your response is
an example of one such reason. The devil has you opposing yourself,
rationalizing your way out of accepting this free gift. You're
rationalizing it by calling it "Eurocentric Elitist". It's a free gift!
(But it was hardly free for Jesus Christ -- he chose to suffer
unbelievably so on the cross for our sakes!)

Romans 5:6-9
(6) For when we were yet without strength, in
due time Christ died for the ungodly.

(7) For scarcely for a righteous man will one
die: yet peradventure for a good man some
would even dare to die.

(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in
that, while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us.

(9) Much more then, being now justified by his
blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Jesus Christ loves us all, the wicked and the saved alike! You need only
accept Jesus Christ to accept His free gift. But instead the devil has you
in his snare, offering up rationalizations of why you won't accept Jesus
Christ, and by proxy this free gift. You've allowed yourself to be falsely
comforted in this concept of "Eurocentric Elitist" thinking, as if that's
supposed to free you from the fact that you're rejecting Jesus Christ, and
currently on your way to hell. The devil has you held fast; He has you
opposing yourself.

2 Timothy 2:23-26
(23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid,
knowing that they do engender strifes.

(24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive;
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach,
patient,

(25) In meekness instructing those that oppose
themselves; if God peradventure will give
them repentance to the acknowledging of
the truth;

(26) And that they may recover themselves out of
the snare of the devil, who are taken
captive by him at his will.

Don't be too upset if you can't answer the question honestly. Even
Christian
theologens can't answer the question.

Not sure why you claim this. It's one of the easiest questions to answer;
An answer we hear mentioned in almost every single worship service.

Is their religion wrong in it's most
basic of tenants or are they worshipping an unjust God?

Unjust? You want to be able to break the laws of a holy and righteous God
who made you and every single person that ever lived, and the entire
universe, and in spite of being wicked and sinning against Him every
single day, even now in your posts, you expect He should just allow wicked
unrepentant sinners into heaven too?!! You have an odd sense of justice.
Or do you expect even human judges to also just ignore you breaking the
law numerous times every single day, and never sentence you?

Check out this quick test on how we stack up against God's Law:
http://www.juststopandthink.com/goodpersontest.php

It's a great way to see how we are in fact breaking His Law every single
day. I'm no longer under the law, but under grace, but I still am not
perfect in keeping His Word. But I repent and pray for His forgiveness and
strength to do much better.

So if you have any questions, please ask.
Thank you for posting!

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:12:47 GMT, "Gabriel"
<gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> spoke thusly:

Hi Tom,

Here's how you get saved. It is in God's Word, the Bible:

First, admit you are a sinner.

Romans 3:10
(10) As it is written, There is none righteous,
no, not one:

Romans 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of
the glory of God;

Second, Believe that Jesus Christ bore the punishment for your sin on the
cross and rose from the dead.

Romans 10:9-10
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth
the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine
heart that God hath raised him from the
dead, thou shalt be saved.

(10) For with the heart man believeth unto
righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto salvation.

John 11:25-27
(25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection,
and the life: he that believeth in me, though
he were dead, yet shall he live:

(26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall
never die. Believest thou this?

(27) She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that
thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which
should come into the world.

Lastly, call on the Lord to save you.

Romans 10:13
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of
the Lord shall be saved.

John 1:12
(12) But as many as received him, to them gave
he power to become the sons of God, even to
them that believe on his name:

You can't get any clearer than that.

Yes, but you can exclude something. It's not
that I'm saying you're wrong. But there is an
element missing.

It is clear in Scripture that none of this means
anything, if there isn't a truly repentant heart.

Anyone can say some words and intellectually
believe that the evidence shows that Jesus rose
from the dead.


--

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.