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User:	"Christine"
Date:	20 Nov 2003 08:48:33 PM
Object:	Christmas

So like this is my first Christmas after having been born again.
For me I am thinking Christmas should be quite different from those of
the past.
The homeless shelters are solidly booked for volunteering for x-mas
around here....
but I am wondering if anybody out there has anything to share about
their first Christmas after being born again?
Thanks, I am hoping someone out there might have some ideas or joy to
share....
I will start it off with a story of Christmas from three years ago.
I remember the Christmas of 2000.... I was quite down, overworked and
distracted and then the holidays came, and there was a startling
message that came out of nowhere into my head.
It asked "Why are you competing with the truth?"
and a few days later it was Christmas Eve and I saw in the papers they
were having a multimedia service that night and thought maybe I
should just go.
It was an inner city Church, a massive structure that loomed
impressively in the city center.
I don't remember the sermon but I remember the music and the feeling
I had as they performed a play.
My body shook, and I was weeping. I had been so lost and didn't even
know it , my tears and my body shaking saying what words would not or
could not say.
....and I wept and shook that evening because I could swear I heard
the sound of angels weeping and felt them embrace me to keep me from
crumbling to the ground.
These people, these ordinary people ----some suburbanites, some
street people were as angels that evening in that place----
and I knew there was something that night in that place that was
larger than me or you or the sum or the mes and yous.
It was His divine presence. Two and a half years later He answered a
prayer, one that I did not know the full depth of at the time and
could not form the words to think to ask.
The same prayer that lives in all people.
Yours in Christ
Christine
.

User: "DW Suiter"
Title: Re: Christmas	22 Nov 2003 08:25:27 AM

Find someone in need and give. Give money if you can, a smile, a warm hug, a
sympathetic ear, time. Most of all give your heart and love, the most
precious gift.
Visit a hospital or nursing home and give to a stranger. Following Christ is
to follow the example and the principles.
Go to the VA hospital and just say thanks to a few who are bedridden.
Give five dollars to the one on the street who doesn't have money for gifts
for the child they have.
Take a cake to the cops at the station who are working all night instead of
being with their family, and say thanks.
Most of all, say thanks to God, the Father, for making all things possible;
to know love. And, say thanks to Jesus of Nazareth, for his sacrifice in
order for you to see and know the example and the way to follow.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Christine" <Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote in message
news:98uqrvg13eda9vo9rqle8fvmfba38li286@4ax.com...

So like this is my first Christmas after having been born again.

For me I am thinking Christmas should be quite different from those of
the past.

The homeless shelters are solidly booked for volunteering for x-mas
around here....

but I am wondering if anybody out there has anything to share about
their first Christmas after being born again?

Thanks, I am hoping someone out there might have some ideas or joy to
share....

I will start it off with a story of Christmas from three years ago.

I remember the Christmas of 2000.... I was quite down, overworked and
distracted and then the holidays came, and there was a startling
message that came out of nowhere into my head.

It asked "Why are you competing with the truth?"

and a few days later it was Christmas Eve and I saw in the papers they
were having a multimedia service that night and thought maybe I
should just go.

It was an inner city Church, a massive structure that loomed
impressively in the city center.

I don't remember the sermon but I remember the music and the feeling
I had as they performed a play.

My body shook, and I was weeping. I had been so lost and didn't even
know it , my tears and my body shaking saying what words would not or
could not say.

...and I wept and shook that evening because I could swear I heard
the sound of angels weeping and felt them embrace me to keep me from
crumbling to the ground.

These people, these ordinary people ----some suburbanites, some
street people were as angels that evening in that place----

and I knew there was something that night in that place that was
larger than me or you or the sum or the mes and yous.

It was His divine presence. Two and a half years later He answered a
prayer, one that I did not know the full depth of at the time and
could not form the words to think to ask.

The same prayer that lives in all people.

Yours in Christ

Christine

User: "Christine"
Title: Re: Christmas	22 Nov 2003 03:30:24 PM

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:25:27 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:

Find someone in need and give. Give money if you can, a smile, a warm hug, a
sympathetic ear, time. Most of all give your heart and love, the most
precious gift.

Visit a hospital or nursing home and give to a stranger. Following Christ is
to follow the example and the principles.

Go to the VA hospital and just say thanks to a few who are bedridden.

Give five dollars to the one on the street who doesn't have money for gifts
for the child they have.

Take a cake to the cops at the station who are working all night instead of
being with their family, and say thanks.

Most of all, say thanks to God, the Father, for making all things possible;
to know love. And, say thanks to Jesus of Nazareth, for his sacrifice in
order for you to see and know the example and the way to follow.

DW Suiter
Son of God

Boy DW those were great great suggestions, all of them, thank you!
I'll also have to see if I can make Christmas different this year for
my mother and myself, after 10 years, that is gonna be hard.
Yours in Christ
Christine
.

User: "John W"
Title: Re: Christmas	24 Nov 2003 12:51:17 AM

x-no-archive:yes
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:30:24 GMT, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:25:27 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:

Find someone in need and give. Give money if you can, a smile, a warm hug, a
sympathetic ear, time. Most of all give your heart and love, the most
precious gift.

Visit a hospital or nursing home and give to a stranger. Following Christ is
to follow the example and the principles.

Go to the VA hospital and just say thanks to a few who are bedridden.

Give five dollars to the one on the street who doesn't have money for gifts
for the child they have.

Take a cake to the cops at the station who are working all night instead of
being with their family, and say thanks.

Most of all, say thanks to God, the Father, for making all things possible;
to know love. And, say thanks to Jesus of Nazareth, for his sacrifice in
order for you to see and know the example and the way to follow.

DW Suiter
Son of God

Boy DW those were great great suggestions, all of them, thank you!

I'll also have to see if I can make Christmas different this year for
my mother and myself, after 10 years, that is gonna be hard.

Yours in Christ

Christine

Christine, already a crisis has arisen. If you CAREFULLY study
David's (DW) words, you see flowery words. If you see his "sig", "Son
of God", that is his reference to his New Age belief that HE, David
Suiter, is the Christ, "reincarnated". In fact, David Suiter is an
infamous New Age Christ, ie, anti-Christ. He is, in fact, one of the
top contenders for the title. (look him up on the internet. You'll
find it VERY informative!)
Take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of saltl..."Test ALL things..."
(even MY words/EVERYBODY'S)
"Hold tight to that which is right..."
If it SMELLS a little off, and you can think of scripture it seems to
conflict with, it's better to avoid it.
And if you CHALLENGE DW, like I just did, you'll see his demons come
out. I promise!
This group is chock full of atheists, false messiahs, phony
Christians, and the like. Do not trust ANYONE in here. NO one.
USUALLY Deacon is right on. He has blind spots.
Larry is good, but a little on the immature side (we can't all be at
the same place, right?)
John Hennekes is pretty good scripturally, but he's a Pharisee (he
hammers on you to be spiritually perfect, but he's not himself)
Kay/Karen is a doll face when she shows up. Fortunately, SHE has a
life, and so she is tending to that most of the time.
I could probably think of 3 or 4 more you can trust.
ujb is certifiably psychotic (a troll who is only interested in being
contrary) And btw, "troll" means simply he's here for only one
reason, to stir things up and be contrary
same for Elaine (Doc Watson) another mentally disturbed person.
Before I BURY you in trivia, I'll simply say, "Be cautious, be aware,
be alert." This place is the IDEAL place to be EVER ALERT.
God loves you!
John W
.

User: "DW Suiter"
Title: Re: Christmas	27 Nov 2003 07:05:03 AM

Hello son of perdition. Still doing your father's works; the works of Satan;
I see. You rile against the law of the love of God because you are not of
God. You falsely accuse using lies as your father has taught you. It is you
and your kind who crucified the Christ of God. As we of Christ continue the
works of Christ, the good works, you continue the works of evil, fighting
against God and His Sons; the true brethren of Christ.
You are he whom God hates most; the liar and false accuser. Which is of
course, what "Satan" means in translation.
Already you are damned by God and all righteous people of God. Your fate is
determined. You shall neither see nor know life with God and the people of
God. You shall join people of your own kind, the evil ones, when passing on
from this physical world. And you shall spend eternity in torment, even as
your perverted mind torments you now.
God is my Father, as I am the Son of God. Satan is your father as you are
the son of perdition.
You are blind, deaf and dead to the reality God is ever present, as His
chosen ones are. What you say and do, you do in the presence of God. Had you
known God you would have humbled yourself; repented; and entered into the
adoption by God as a son, to be transformed into His Creation; the Son of
God. You have refused and elected to remain faithful to the evil one. You
are damned and condemned by God as is all evil and all evil ones.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:3h93sv0058hp14aff84579ncooenrfl0j0@4ax.com...

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:30:24 GMT, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:25:27 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:

Find someone in need and give. Give money if you can, a smile, a warm

hug, a

sympathetic ear, time. Most of all give your heart and love, the most
precious gift.

Visit a hospital or nursing home and give to a stranger. Following

Christ is

to follow the example and the principles.

Go to the VA hospital and just say thanks to a few who are bedridden.

Give five dollars to the one on the street who doesn't have money for

gifts

for the child they have.

Take a cake to the cops at the station who are working all night instead

being with their family, and say thanks.

Most of all, say thanks to God, the Father, for making all things

possible;

to know love. And, say thanks to Jesus of Nazareth, for his sacrifice in
order for you to see and know the example and the way to follow.

DW Suiter
Son of God

Boy DW those were great great suggestions, all of them, thank you!

I'll also have to see if I can make Christmas different this year for
my mother and myself, after 10 years, that is gonna be hard.

Yours in Christ

Christine

Christine, already a crisis has arisen. If you CAREFULLY study
David's (DW) words, you see flowery words. If you see his "sig", "Son
of God", that is his reference to his New Age belief that HE, David
Suiter, is the Christ, "reincarnated". In fact, David Suiter is an
infamous New Age Christ, ie, anti-Christ. He is, in fact, one of the
top contenders for the title. (look him up on the internet. You'll
find it VERY informative!)

Take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of saltl..."Test ALL things..."
(even MY words/EVERYBODY'S)
"Hold tight to that which is right..."

If it SMELLS a little off, and you can think of scripture it seems to
conflict with, it's better to avoid it.

And if you CHALLENGE DW, like I just did, you'll see his demons come
out. I promise!

This group is chock full of atheists, false messiahs, phony
Christians, and the like. Do not trust ANYONE in here. NO one.

USUALLY Deacon is right on. He has blind spots.
Larry is good, but a little on the immature side (we can't all be at
the same place, right?)
John Hennekes is pretty good scripturally, but he's a Pharisee (he
hammers on you to be spiritually perfect, but he's not himself)
Kay/Karen is a doll face when she shows up. Fortunately, SHE has a
life, and so she is tending to that most of the time.
I could probably think of 3 or 4 more you can trust.
ujb is certifiably psychotic (a troll who is only interested in being
contrary) And btw, "troll" means simply he's here for only one
reason, to stir things up and be contrary
same for Elaine (Doc Watson) another mentally disturbed person.

Before I BURY you in trivia, I'll simply say, "Be cautious, be aware,
be alert." This place is the IDEAL place to be EVER ALERT.

God loves you!

John W

User: "Cy Rot"
Title: Re: Our lord John Weatherlerly has spoken [Was Re: Christmas]	27 Nov 2003 05:59:50 AM

"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:3h93sv0058hp14aff84579ncooenrfl0j0@4ax.com...

x-no-archive:yes

I assume that the newsgroup John W is writing about in this post is arcb,
alt.religion.christian.baptist. Too stupid to have realized that he was
posting to all of the above mentioned newsgroups.

This group is chock full of atheists, false messiahs, phony
Christians, and the like. Do not trust ANYONE in here. NO one.

USUALLY Deacon is right on. He has blind spots.

I'm curious to know what those 'blind spots' would be. :-)

Larry is good, but a little on the immature side (we can't all be at
the same place, right?)

Immature; definition:
1.. [adj] lacking in development; "immature plans"; "an unformed
character"
Are your feathers developped Larry?

John Hennekes is pretty good scripturally, but he's a Pharisee (he
hammers on you to be spiritually perfect, but he's not himself)

He would have to be pretty good scripturally for John W not being able to
make up any sense of what John H' intentions are when he quotes biblical
verses against him.

Kay/Karen is a doll face when she shows up. Fortunately, SHE has a
life, and so she is tending to that most of the time.

Kay/Karen a "Doll face". That's quite a compliment, John's beloved, wow.
I assume Kay/Karen who posts on arcb is a woman. Never met her and read very
few of her posts. Now what would John W. know about the kind of life this
Kay/Karen has? Well, according to lord John, you are not perfect Kay/Karen,
whomever you are. You won't get the job.

I could probably think of 3 or 4 more you can trust.

He being one of them or there is only one, lord John W. in person.

ujb is certifiably psychotic (a troll who is only interested in being
contrary) And btw, "troll" means simply he's here for only one
reason, to stir things up and be contrary

I disagree. <ujb> has wit. Psychotic? Coming from you John W., that remark
is not worth a pinch a salt. If <ujb> is a troll, you would have to be the
stupid fish.

same for Elaine (Doc Watson) another mentally disturbed person.

Now here, I don't know what to say? LOL. Mentally disturbed? No. A religious
fanatic, that is obvious. She's now a 'Cracker', cracking up that is.

Before I BURY you in trivia, I'll simply say, "Be cautious, be aware,
be alert." This place is the IDEAL place to be EVER ALERT.

No need for that, OUR nurse is always on alert to protect her flock, (her
piglets), from Catholic intruders. To use her expressions; "Souls are at
stake", "Children may be reading this". Makes you wonder when people use
such excuses to propagate their hatred. And you John W., who are you trying
to protect and why?

God loves you!

John W

User: "Michael"
Title: Born Again Christmas	21 Nov 2003 08:54:37 AM

In the annual savage attack against Christmas led by such as but not
limited to the ACLU and the radical religious left, the grinch that stole
Christ from Christmas, the true agenda of multiculturalism has become
visible even to the most skeptic. Multiculturalism is merely a code word
for intolerance to Christ and Christophobia.
IN New York City, Menorahs are displayed for some, Islamic stars for
others during the Christmas season, but Nativity Scenes (the event being
celebrated by the National Federal Holiday of Christmas) are banned and
Christians are told to be tolerant to other displays and deal with being
denied there own.
So this Christimas Season, let Christ be Born Again. When visiting the
gas station, drug store, grocery store, car wash, and bank, wish those who
you meet a very Merry Christmas. You may be surprised how much better you
will feel over the religiously atheistic Happy Holidays, and you may be
surprised how much it is appreciated in the pagan world.
It is a great way to 1) exercise your American guarantee of religious
freedom, 2) fulfill the Great Commission of our Lord and Saviour to spread
the Gospel unto all the world, heal the sick and baptise in the Name of
the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
So if someone wishes you Happy Holidays at Christmas, return it with Merry
Christmas this Christmas. If they are offended by that (which probably
won't happen unless dealing with an intolerant Christophobe), simply
explain that you would be offended if you were not denied the religious
freedom to wish them a Merry Christmas, and after all, you are the
customer, and the customer is always right.
For advanced expressions of religious freedom, if your bank, store, etc
has displays of various holiday symbols at or near the Federal Holiday of
Christmas, but no Nativity, which is after all what is being celebrated,
express how much you are offended by the avoidance of proper expression of
Christ's birth at the Federal CHRISTmas holiday being celebrated. As the
customer, you are always right. Although Christophobes may be offended,
they have offended Christians for decades and perhaps it is time that
they learn to be more inclusive, tolerant and learn to deal with it.
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving also, the first Thanksgiving was to give thanks to
God for His Blessings on this great Christian nation, how conveniently
fundie pagas forget.
Revelation 7:12 Saying,.. Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and
thanksdiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our Father, for
ever and ever. Amen.
.

User: "FearRua"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	03 Dec 2003 12:27:17 PM

(Michael) wrote in message news:<mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>...

From WorldNetDaily.com:
"In a dispute over display of holiday symbols, New York City schools
are allowing Jewish menorahs and Islamic crescents but barring
Christian nativity scenes, alleging the depiction of the birth of
Christ does not represent a historical event.
In pleadings with a federal court in defense of the ban, New York City
lawyers asserted the "suggestion that a cr�che is a historically
accurate representation of an event with secular significance is
wholly disingenuous."
The Jewish and Islamic symbols are allowed, the district says, because
they have a secular dimension, but the Christian symbols are "purely
religious."
Robert J. Muise, who will challenge the school policy at a federal
court hearing tomorrow in Brooklyn, told WorldNetDaily be believes
most Americans don't see it that way.
"The birth of Jesus is a historical event which serves as the basis
for celebration of Christmas," Muise stated. "It's of importance for
both Christians and non-Christians."
Muise's Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center filed a motion to
temporarily restrain the city from enforcing its ban on nativity
scenes. The center asserts New York's policy "promotes the Jewish and
Islamic faiths while conveying the impermissible message of
disapproval of Christianity in violation of the U.S. Constitution."
The Michigan group says one public-school principal issued a memo
encouraging teachers to bring to school "religious symbols" that
represent the Islamic and Jewish religions, but made no mention of
Christianity.
Jewish menorahs adorned the halls of the school as part of the
authorized displays, the More Center said, but students were not
allowed to make and similarly display nativity scenes
A parent who wrote a letter of complaint to her son's teacher received
a copy of the school's "Holiday Displays" policy in response.
Kate Ahlers, communications director for New York City's law
department, says schools can use things that are secular like
menorahs, stars and snowflakes, but the cr�che is considered
religious.
"There is a separation of church and state that is part of the
Constitution," she claimed. "It's a clear belief that people try to
follow in schools and public office, and schools are saying they
adhere to that belief."
The point of schools, she added, "is not to debate religion; the point
of schools is to teach children."
The federal civil-rights lawsuit was filed on behalf of Andrea Skoros
and her two elementary-school children against the city of New York
and several school officials.
Skoros and her children are devout Roman Catholics.
"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."
<snip>
.

User: "Michael"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	03 Dec 2003 04:52:03 PM

In article <b33f8de5.0312031027.956490e@posting.google.com>,
FearRua@hotmail.com (FearRua) wrote:

mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote in message

news:<mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>...

From WorldNetDaily.com:

"In a dispute over display of holiday symbols, New York City schools
are allowing Jewish menorahs and Islamic crescents but barring
Christian nativity scenes, alleging the depiction of the birth of
Christ does not represent a historical event.

In pleadings with a federal court in defense of the ban, New York City
lawyers asserted the "suggestion that a cr�che is a historically
accurate representation of an event with secular significance is
wholly disingenuous."

The Jewish and Islamic symbols are allowed, the district says, because
they have a secular dimension, but the Christian symbols are "purely
religious."

Robert J. Muise, who will challenge the school policy at a federal
court hearing tomorrow in Brooklyn, told WorldNetDaily be believes
most Americans don't see it that way.

"The birth of Jesus is a historical event which serves as the basis
for celebration of Christmas," Muise stated. "It's of importance for
both Christians and non-Christians."

Muise's Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center filed a motion to
temporarily restrain the city from enforcing its ban on nativity
scenes. The center asserts New York's policy "promotes the Jewish and
Islamic faiths while conveying the impermissible message of
disapproval of Christianity in violation of the U.S. Constitution."

The Michigan group says one public-school principal issued a memo
encouraging teachers to bring to school "religious symbols" that
represent the Islamic and Jewish religions, but made no mention of
Christianity.

Jewish menorahs adorned the halls of the school as part of the
authorized displays, the More Center said, but students were not
allowed to make and similarly display nativity scenes

A parent who wrote a letter of complaint to her son's teacher received
a copy of the school's "Holiday Displays" policy in response.

Kate Ahlers, communications director for New York City's law
department, says schools can use things that are secular like
menorahs, stars and snowflakes, but the cr�che is considered
religious.

"There is a separation of church and state that is part of the
Constitution," she claimed. "It's a clear belief that people try to
follow in schools and public office, and schools are saying they
adhere to that belief."

The point of schools, she added, "is not to debate religion; the point
of schools is to teach children."

The federal civil-rights lawsuit was filed on behalf of Andrea Skoros
and her two elementary-school children against the city of New York
and several school officials.

Skoros and her children are devout Roman Catholics.

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."

The real question is can a Christian nation that places its trust in God
be separated from God by the religion of atheism forced down the throats
of its people?
.

User: "Dave Oldridge"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	03 Dec 2003 10:02:51 PM

(Michael) wrote in
news:mikeburt-0312031752020001@192.168.1.55:

In article <b33f8de5.0312031027.956490e@posting.google.com>,
FearRua@hotmail.com (FearRua) wrote:

(Michael) wrote in message

news:<mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>...

From WorldNetDaily.com:

"In a dispute over display of holiday symbols, New York City schools
are allowing Jewish menorahs and Islamic crescents but barring
Christian nativity scenes, alleging the depiction of the birth of
Christ does not represent a historical event.

In pleadings with a federal court in defense of the ban, New York
City lawyers asserted the "suggestion that a cr�che is a historically
accurate representation of an event with secular significance is
wholly disingenuous."

The Jewish and Islamic symbols are allowed, the district says,
because they have a secular dimension, but the Christian symbols are
"purely religious."

Robert J. Muise, who will challenge the school policy at a federal
court hearing tomorrow in Brooklyn, told WorldNetDaily be believes
most Americans don't see it that way.

"The birth of Jesus is a historical event which serves as the basis
for celebration of Christmas," Muise stated. "It's of importance for
both Christians and non-Christians."

Muise's Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center filed a motion to
temporarily restrain the city from enforcing its ban on nativity
scenes. The center asserts New York's policy "promotes the Jewish and
Islamic faiths while conveying the impermissible message of
disapproval of Christianity in violation of the U.S. Constitution."

The Michigan group says one public-school principal issued a memo
encouraging teachers to bring to school "religious symbols" that
represent the Islamic and Jewish religions, but made no mention of
Christianity.

Jewish menorahs adorned the halls of the school as part of the
authorized displays, the More Center said, but students were not
allowed to make and similarly display nativity scenes

A parent who wrote a letter of complaint to her son's teacher
received a copy of the school's "Holiday Displays" policy in
response.

Kate Ahlers, communications director for New York City's law
department, says schools can use things that are secular like
menorahs, stars and snowflakes, but the cr�che is considered
religious.

"There is a separation of church and state that is part of the
Constitution," she claimed. "It's a clear belief that people try to
follow in schools and public office, and schools are saying they
adhere to that belief."

The point of schools, she added, "is not to debate religion; the
point of schools is to teach children."

The federal civil-rights lawsuit was filed on behalf of Andrea Skoros
and her two elementary-school children against the city of New York
and several school officials.

Skoros and her children are devout Roman Catholics.

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."

The real question is can a Christian nation that places its trust in
God be separated from God by the religion of atheism forced down the
throats of its people?

America has never been a CHRISTIAN nation. It was always, from its
inception devoted mainly to the worship of mammon. That has been even
more evident of late than it was earlier. Pockets of Christianity, of
course, exist in America, but they are not as common as people think.
Most of the religious energy of Americans goes to glitz and 45-minute
harangues sprinkled with self-congratulatory "prayers." I'm not
impressed, nor are most really traditional Christian believers.
Suggested political science reading:
'City of God' by St. Augustine.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
.

User: "IknowHimDoYou"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	04 Dec 2003 10:09:01 AM

In article <mikeburt-0312031752020001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

In article <b33f8de5.0312031027.956490e@posting.google.com>,
FearRua@hotmail.com (FearRua) wrote:

snipped for brevity

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."

The real question is can a Christian nation that places its trust in God
be separated from God by the religion of atheism forced down the throats
of its people?

____________________________________________________________________
The answer is no.
God is still on His throne
and still in control despite the mechanizations of men.
Many nations, dictators, college professors, ACLUs, etc have attempted
this before.
Guess what? They are gone and God is still here.....
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
.

User: "Mark Fox"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	05 Dec 2003 07:39:59 PM

FearRua@hotmail.com (FearRua) wrote:

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."

The real question is can a Christian nation that places its trust in God
be separated from God by the religion of atheism forced down the throats
of its people?

No one is forcing anyone to deny God.
Your wild antics and accusations are an embarassment to Jesus. You
should be ashamed of yourself.
.

User: "Michael"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	08 Dec 2003 08:34:10 AM

In article <a258afb5.0312051739.606a89e6@posting.google.com>,
mark_fox_@yahoo.com (Mark Fox) wrote:

FearRua@hotmail.com (FearRua) wrote:

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a
statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find
out."

The real question is can a Christian nation that places its trust in God
be separated from God by the religion of atheism forced down the throats
of its people?

No one is forcing anyone to deny God.

Your wild antics and accusations are an embarassment to Jesus. You
should be ashamed of yourself.

Tee hee hee, so let me get this straight, if we put Jesus Christ under a
bushel and say Happy Holiday instead of Merry Christmas, we will no longer
be an embarrassment to Jesus and can stop being ashamed of our selves.
Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are
bold as a lion.
Phillipians 1:14* And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident
by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
1Thmothy 2:2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were
shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to
speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
.

User: "� R.L. Measures"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	21 Nov 2003 09:39:24 AM

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r getting
plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.
--
� R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
.

User: "Christine"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	21 Nov 2003 01:04:08 PM

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r getting
plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.
The only important thing to keep it alive is to keep it alive in
yourself.
However the world chooses to celebrate it, their mode of celebration
is not an attack nor a persecution...those things come when people try
to take your faith away from you, or tell you it is not real, or tell
you that you must not have it.
THAT is better described as persecution and in that sense it is a time
for rejoicing because as you walk through that valley and the world is
a bitter cup and empty He is all the more real, all the more present ,
ever the greater comfortor
You will find more and more of Him that you did not see before as you
reach into the further unknown depths of faith.
and I most certainly will say Merry Christmas and sing Joy to the
World and Silent Night.
Yours in Christ
Christine
.

User: "� R.L. Measures"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	21 Nov 2003 09:10:25 PM

In article <gsnsrvg93p8c8t4gt4ha3i1qdl1sbueui2@4ax.com>, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r getting
plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.

** In the year that Christ was born, Mithraists had been celebrating
Mithra's birthday as 25-December for 64-years.

The only important thing to keep it alive is to keep it alive in
yourself.

However the world chooses to celebrate it, their mode of celebration
is not an attack nor a persecution...those things come when people try
to take your faith away from you, or tell you it is not real, or tell
you that you must not have it.

** he was talking about NYC.

THAT is better described as persecution and in that sense it is a time
for rejoicing because as you walk through that valley and the world is
a bitter cup and empty He is all the more real, all the more present ,
ever the greater comfortor

You will find more and more of Him that you did not see before as you
reach into the further unknown depths of faith.

and I most certainly will say Merry Christmas and sing Joy to the
World and Silent Night.

** My Xmas present to the world is Not singing.

cheerz, Christine
--
� R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
.

User: "Michael"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	24 Nov 2003 04:30:56 PM

In article <+r-2111031910250001@192.168.1.100>, +r@somis.org (� R.L.
Measures) wrote:

In article <gsnsrvg93p8c8t4gt4ha3i1qdl1sbueui2@4ax.com>, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r getting
plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.

** In the year that Christ was born, Mithraists had been celebrating
Mithra's birthday as 25-December for 64-years.

Tee hee hee, Jesus was born on September 29, He was conceived on December
25, the copy cat pagans got the date wrong again, at least they understood
the prophesy, just got the subject wrong as well.

** he was talking about NYC.

** My Xmas present to the world is Not singing.

And we are grateful, for only joyous voices are pleasing to the Lord.

cheerz, Christine

User: "Tom"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	24 Nov 2003 07:06:34 PM

"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2411031730560001@192.168.1.55...

In article <+r-2111031910250001@192.168.1.100>, +r@somis.org (� R.L.
Measures) wrote:

In article <gsnsrvg93p8c8t4gt4ha3i1qdl1sbueui2@4ax.com>, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

In the annual savage attack against Christmas led by such as but

not

limited to the ACLU and the radical religious left, the grinch that

stole

Christ from Christmas, the true agenda of multiculturalism has

become

visible even to the most skeptic. Multiculturalism is merely a

code word

for intolerance to Christ and Christophobia.

IN New York City, Menorahs are displayed for some, Islamic stars

for

others during the Christmas season, but Nativity Scenes (the event

being

celebrated by the National Federal Holiday of Christmas) are banned

and

Christians are told to be tolerant to other displays and deal with

being

denied there own.
...

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r

getting

plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.

** In the year that Christ was born, Mithraists had been celebrating
Mithra's birthday as 25-December for 64-years.

Tee hee hee, Jesus was born on September 29, He was conceived on December
25, the copy cat pagans got the date wrong again, at least they understood
the prophesy, just got the subject wrong as well.

Tom: Tee hee hee, present your evidence that he was born on September 29th.
I hope it is better evidence than the evidence you have put forth for the
age of the earth.
Mithra preceded Jeebus Burt, that means Jeebus stole the date not only from
Mithra but Attis, the Buddha, Dionysus, Orsis among others. Many of these
gods were born of virgins, were crucified, rose from the dead and shared
common charecteristics with Jesus. Nearly all of these mythical figures
preceded Christianity so you figure who did the copying. Note to Burt:
Preceded means came before.
.

User: "Michael"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	25 Nov 2003 08:04:20 AM

In article <vs5aou3u64rg28@corp.supernews.com>, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2411031730560001@192.168.1.55...

In article <+r-2111031910250001@192.168.1.100>, +r@somis.org (� R.L.
Measures) wrote:

In article <gsnsrvg93p8c8t4gt4ha3i1qdl1sbueui2@4ax.com>, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

In the annual savage attack against Christmas led by such as but

not

limited to the ACLU and the radical religious left, the grinch that

stole

Christ from Christmas, the true agenda of multiculturalism has

become

visible even to the most skeptic. Multiculturalism is merely a

code word

for intolerance to Christ and Christophobia.

IN New York City, Menorahs are displayed for some, Islamic stars

for

others during the Christmas season, but Nativity Scenes (the event

being

celebrated by the National Federal Holiday of Christmas) are banned

and

Christians are told to be tolerant to other displays and deal with

being

denied there own.
...

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r

getting

plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.

** In the year that Christ was born, Mithraists had been celebrating
Mithra's birthday as 25-December for 64-years.

Tee hee hee, Jesus was born on September 29, He was conceived on December
25, the copy cat pagans got the date wrong again, at least they understood
the prophesy, just got the subject wrong as well.

Tom: Tee hee hee, present your evidence that he was born on September 29th.
I hope it is better evidence than the evidence you have put forth for the
age of the earth.

Tee hee hee, start with the course of Abia in Luke (assuming that you know
when that is), track the events up to and including Mary meeting Elizabeth
when John was 6 months old, continue counting the events and you will
arrive at God Tabranacling with man in the form of the Son on the first
day of Tabranacles, September 29. BTW, this was the original celebration
of the fulfillment of Tabranacles in the early church, the date change is
merely from birth to inception on December 25, which is when life begins
after all. December 25 has nothing to do with the pagan birth of
Mithraists, the fundie pagans got that wrong from the prophesy as well,
and selected the wrong date.

Mithra preceded Jeebus Burt, that means Jeebus stole the date not only from
Mithra but Attis, the Buddha, Dionysus, Orsis among others.

Tee hee hee more fundie pagan misticism? et ha Adam preceeded all of
them, which means that the prophesies they claimed to fulfill preceeded
them, but they lac the lawful means to have fulfilled them. It is not
surprising that pagans view the world upside down, as they live in a world
upside down.
Many of these

gods were born of virgins, were crucified, rose from the dead and shared
common charecteristics with Jesus.

What would you expect from a copy cat?

Nearly all of these mythical figures
preceded Christianity so you figure who did the copying. Note to Burt:
Preceded means came before.

Tee hee hee, et ha Adam and the Word of God preceeded Mithr, Attis, this
or that Buddha, Dionysus, and most assuridly Orsis.
.

User: "Tom"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	25 Nov 2003 12:15:34 PM

"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2511030904200001@192.168.1.55...

In article <vs5aou3u64rg28@corp.supernews.com>, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2411031730560001@192.168.1.55...

In article <+r-2111031910250001@192.168.1.100>, +r@somis.org (� R.L.
Measures) wrote:

In article <gsnsrvg93p8c8t4gt4ha3i1qdl1sbueui2@4ax.com>, Christine
<Christine@savedbyChrist.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:39:24 -0800, +r@somis.org (� R.L. Measures)
wrote:

In article <mikeburt-2111030954310001@192.168.1.55>,
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote:

In the annual savage attack against Christmas led by such as

but

not

limited to the ACLU and the radical religious left, the grinch

that

stole

Christ from Christmas, the true agenda of multiculturalism has

become

visible even to the most skeptic. Multiculturalism is merely a

code word

for intolerance to Christ and Christophobia.

IN New York City, Menorahs are displayed for some, Islamic

stars

for

others during the Christmas season, but Nativity Scenes (the

event

being

celebrated by the National Federal Holiday of Christmas) are

banned

and

Christians are told to be tolerant to other displays and deal

with

being

denied there own.
...

** The mother's-milk of Christianity is Persecution. If you'r

getting

plenty of it, you should rejoice instead of kvetching.

Christmas is kept alive for by celebrating the life of Christ, his
message and his hope that lives in us.

** In the year that Christ was born, Mithraists had been

celebrating

Mithra's birthday as 25-December for 64-years.

Tee hee hee, Jesus was born on September 29, He was conceived on

December

25, the copy cat pagans got the date wrong again, at least they

understood

the prophesy, just got the subject wrong as well.

Tom: Tee hee hee, present your evidence that he was born on September

29th.

I hope it is better evidence than the evidence you have put forth for

the

age of the earth.

Tom: Tee hee hee, nice story Burt, but it isn't me that needs to research
it, you are the one required to fit together the missing pieces.
To show that you are clueless as to the dates involved, let me help you. I
gave five or six "gods" whose birth was on December 25th. The reason for
this crowd at the 25th has to do with the winter solstice. Do you know
anything outside of your Christian myth?
The reference to "the pagan fundies" is nothing more than ***** flowing
from your mouth.
You need to study how your mythology was created :-).

Mithra preceded Jeebus Burt, that means Jeebus stole the date not only

from

Mithra but Attis, the Buddha, Dionysus, Orsis among others.

Burt: Tee hee hee more fundie pagan misticism? et ha Adam preceeded all of
them, which means that the prophesies they claimed to fulfill preceeded
them, but they lac the lawful means to have fulfilled them. It is not
surprising that pagans view the world upside down, as they live in a world
upside down.

Tom: Tee hee hee, unable to refute the facts Burt again resorts to his
nonsensical utterances. No you ignorant creationist fundie, Adam was
mythology and even he was copied from earlier civilizations. Exactly what
part of history do you not understand?

Many of these
gods were born of virgins, were crucified, rose from the dead and shared
common charecteristics with Jesus.

Burt: What would you expect from a copy cat?

Tom: Tee hee hee, still don't know the meaning of the word "preceding", do
you, Burt?

Nearly all of these mythical figures
preceded Christianity so you figure who did the copying. Note to Burt:
Preceded means came before.

Burt: Tee hee hee, et ha Adam and the Word of God preceeded Mithr, Attis,

this

or that Buddha, Dionysus, and most assuridly Orsis.

Tom: Tee hee hee, I think I see Burt's problem. He thinks that the history
shown in the bible is actual. Sorry Burt, the acknowledged historical fact
is that there were many civilizations that preceded the ones described in
the Hebrew myth. Archeology has confirmed this fact.
.

User: "Michael"
Title: Re: Born Again Christmas	25 Nov 2003 05:17:52 PM

In article <vs772ajbu4jf80@corp.supernews.com>, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com>
wrote: