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Religions > Bible |
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"Pastor Dave" |
| Date: |
20 Nov 2007 07:16:42 AM |
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Church History |
Irenaeus:
"If any one, however, advocating the cause of the Jews,
does maintain that this new covenant consisted in the
rearing of that temple which was built under Zerubbabel
after the emigration to Babylon, and in the departure of
the people from thence after the lapse of seventy years,
let him know that the temple constructed of stones was
indeed then rebuilt (for as yet that law was observed
which had been made upon tables of stone), yet no new
covenant was given, but they used the Mosaic law until
the coming of the Lord; but from the Lord's advent,
the new covenant which brings back peace, and the law
which gives life, has gone forth over the whole earth,
as the prophets said: "For out of Zion shall go forth
the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem;
and He shall rebuke many people; and they shall break
down their swords into ploughshares, and their spears
into pruninghooks, and they shall no longer learn to fight."
(Proof Against the Marcionites, that the Prophets Referred
in All Their Predictions to Our Christ, "Against Heresies,"
Book IV, Chapter 34)
Tertullian:
"among us, who have been called out of the nations,
-'and they shall join to beat their glaives into ploughs,
and their lances into sickles; and nations shall not take
up glaive against nation, and they shall no more learn
to fight.' Who else, therefore, are understood but we,
who, fully taught by the new law, observe these practices,
- the old law being obliterated, the coming of whose
abolition the action itself demonstrates?" ("Of Circumcision
and the Supercession of the Old Law," An Answer to the
Jews, Chapter III)
Melito of Sardis:
"Who will contend against me? Let him stand before me.
It is I who delivered the condemned. It is I who gave life
to the dead. It is I who raised up the buried. Who will
argue with me? It is I, says Christ, who destroyed death.
It is I who triumphed over the enemy, and having trod
down Hades, and bound the Strong Man, and have
snatched mankind up to the heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door
posts with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer.
For no more does death reign; but instead of death
henceforth is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;'
so that everything is filled with joy and gladness;
as it is written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth
rejoice.' For when death reigned, 'sitting down by
the rivers of Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because
we felt the bitterness of captivity; but now that death
and the kingdom of the devil is abolished, everything
is entirely filled with joy and gladness. And God is
no longer known only in Judaea, but in all the earth,
'their voice hath gone forth, and the knowledge of
Him hath filled all the earth.' (Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays
have lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness
from my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen
His holy day: The way of error I have left, and have walked
towards Him and have received salvation from Him, without
grudging. I have put on incorruption through His name:
and have put off corruption by His grace. Death hath been
destroyed before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished
by my word."
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| User: "Gunny Freedom" |
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| Title: Re: Church History |
20 Nov 2007 04:12:55 PM |
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In article <nhn5k3dq2apgo89jeaa3klmssmvqqnn85b@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Irenaeus:
"If any one, however, advocating the cause of the Jews,
does maintain that this new covenant consisted in the
rearing of that temple which was built under Zerubbabel
after the emigration to Babylon, and in the departure of
the people from thence after the lapse of seventy years,
let him know that the temple constructed of stones was
indeed then rebuilt (for as yet that law was observed
which had been made upon tables of stone), yet no new
covenant was given, but they used the Mosaic law until
the coming of the Lord; but from the Lord's advent,
the new covenant which brings back peace, and the law
which gives life, has gone forth over the whole earth,
as the prophets said: "For out of Zion shall go forth
the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem;
and He shall rebuke many people; and they shall break
down their swords into ploughshares, and their spears
into pruninghooks, and they shall no longer learn to fight."
(Proof Against the Marcionites, that the Prophets Referred
in All Their Predictions to Our Christ, "Against Heresies,"
Book IV, Chapter 34)
Tertullian:
"among us, who have been called out of the nations,
-'and they shall join to beat their glaives into ploughs,
and their lances into sickles; and nations shall not take
up glaive against nation, and they shall no more learn
to fight.' Who else, therefore, are understood but we,
who, fully taught by the new law, observe these practices,
- the old law being obliterated, the coming of whose
abolition the action itself demonstrates?" ("Of Circumcision
and the Supercession of the Old Law," An Answer to the
Jews, Chapter III)
Melito of Sardis:
"Who will contend against me? Let him stand before me.
It is I who delivered the condemned. It is I who gave life
to the dead. It is I who raised up the buried. Who will
argue with me? It is I, says Christ, who destroyed death.
It is I who triumphed over the enemy, and having trod
down Hades, and bound the Strong Man, and have
snatched mankind up to the heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door
posts with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer.
For no more does death reign; but instead of death
henceforth is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;'
so that everything is filled with joy and gladness;
as it is written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth
rejoice.' For when death reigned, 'sitting down by
the rivers of Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because
we felt the bitterness of captivity; but now that death
and the kingdom of the devil is abolished, everything
is entirely filled with joy and gladness. And God is
no longer known only in Judaea, but in all the earth,
'their voice hath gone forth, and the knowledge of
Him hath filled all the earth.' (Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays
have lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness
from my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen
His holy day: The way of error I have left, and have walked
towards Him and have received salvation from Him, without
grudging. I have put on incorruption through His name:
and have put off corruption by His grace. Death hath been
destroyed before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished
by my word."
The so-called "Pastor" Dave challenges ACC to debate Preterism. After
only 2-3 rounds of discussion, he abandons any attempt to debate the
theology and the facts, and SPAM's ACC with FOURTY (40) cut'n'paste
articles fromt he "Preterist Archive" hoping to "declare victory" simply
by overwhelming us with the volume of his cut'n'pate spam!
Note especially in the list below, that all 40 messages were posted
within the span of 6 minutes:
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
PING: CHUCK - What Will You Say? 42
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Ancient Quotes - Church Fathers? 292
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Early Preterist Statements 167
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Resurrection of the Dead 771
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
REVELATION: WHEN WAS IT WRITTEN??? 534
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: Preterist Statements 655
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Oh, Chucky Chuckle Boy!!! - Part 1 46
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Oh, Chucky Chuckle Boy!!! - Part 2 360
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Significance of 70 AD 456
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: WILL YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR WORD OR NOT??? 172
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Irenaeus: 70 AD & Abrahamic Covenant 117
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Comments by Epiphanes 44
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Cool Info with Lots of Links to Writings Throughout Time 15
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Israel and the Church 72
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Justin Martyr: Sword , Plowshares and the Kingdom 59
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Clement: Abomination of Desolation 52
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Origen: Literal Interpretation Method 63
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Got Preterism? The Church Fathers' Did! 169
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eusebius: Fulfilled 21
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Shake, Ratte and Roll! 336
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
* Christ and the Resurrection of the Flesh * 895
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Cloud Coming Recorded by Historians 54
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Church History 82
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Seige of Jerusalem 830
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: AND HERE IS HOW IT ENDED BETWEEN US!!!
386 11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Historical Church Says Christ Returned! 322
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
PRE-CHRISTIAN PRETERISM 224
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Who IS Israel 184
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Early Preterist Statements 167
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
IF CHRIST HAS NOT COME! 407
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Preterism, Society and the Modern Church; Tackling the Taboo,s 214
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology in American History 231
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
God's Israel Identity 144
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology Failed!!! 360
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Dating of the Book of Revelation 399
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology from a First Century Viewpoint 183
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Dating of the Book of Revelation - More Info! 471
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CLOUD COMING OF JESUS RECORDED!!! 328
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Crying Voices of the Great Tribulation. 183
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Who Was the Beast and What Was the Mark? 20
11/20/07 8:20 AM
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Church History |
21 Nov 2007 05:59:56 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:12:55 -0500, Gunny Freedom
<glen42@gmail.com> decided to enlighten us by typing the
following:
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
The so-called "Pastor" Dave challenges ACC
to debate Preterism. After only 2-3 rounds
of discussion, he abandons any attempt to
debate the theology and the facts
You have this backwards. And the posts that
I wrote, were in response to those of Futurists
"spamming" and attacking me personally.
And where is the "2 or 3 rounds of discussion"?
You attacked me immediately!
Let us note that you immediately responded by
attacking the person while ignoring the content
of the post.
and SPAM's ACC with FOURTY (40) cut'n'paste
I don't think it was that many, but whatever.
People send a bunch of posts all the time
and you don't say a word, which proves that
your mission is to try to censor content that
you can't handle and that conflicts with your
own personal doctrine.
And yes, I write some and copy & paste some.
What is your problem with that? You never say
a word when Futurists do it. Why is that?
You wouldn't be a hypocrite, would you?
articles fromt he "Preterist Archive" hoping to
"declare victory" simply by overwhelming us
with the volume of his cut'n'pate spam!
The victory is Christ's. Something that YOU don't
believe has happened yet! But HE IS LORD NOW,
whether you wish to believe it or not!
As for you Futurists, I am not worried about
"declaring victory" over you, nor your doctrine,
since you never discuss it intelligently nor
reasonably anyway and just attack me after
one or two posts, when you see that your
doctrine is falling apart!
Of course, some people, like you, don't even
get that far and just immediately attack!
So let us note that now, once again, you have
proven to us that instead of discussing the issue
presented, you thought it best to attack me
personally instead. And yet, here you are,
hypocritically claiming that I'm the one who
refuses to debate an issue. <chuckle>
And btw, falsely labeling something "spam",
just because you don't like what it says,
only further proves your dishonesty and
lack of integrity.
Note especially in the list below, that all
40 messages were posted within the span
of 6 minutes:
I don't believe it was that high, but let us note that
you are going into one thread after another, posting
this response in each and every one of them.
Doesn't that make YOU guilty of "spamming us"
with 40 posts as well?
Oh no, wait, that's right! Futurists can't be guilty
of their own sins! <chuckle>
--
To email me, just remove the underscores.
Lord, help me get up when I fall. I can fall by myself.
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: Church History |
21 Nov 2007 01:15:03 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:12:55 -0500, Gunny Freedom
wrote:
In article <nhn5k3dq2apgo89jeaa3klmssmvqqnn85b@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Irenaeus:
"If any one, however, advocating the cause of the Jews,
does maintain that this new covenant consisted in the
rearing of that temple which was built under Zerubbabel
after the emigration to Babylon, and in the departure of
the people from thence after the lapse of seventy years,
let him know that the temple constructed of stones was
indeed then rebuilt (for as yet that law was observed
which had been made upon tables of stone), yet no new
covenant was given, but they used the Mosaic law until
the coming of the Lord; but from the Lord's advent,
the new covenant which brings back peace, and the law
which gives life, has gone forth over the whole earth,
as the prophets said: "For out of Zion shall go forth
the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem;
and He shall rebuke many people; and they shall break
down their swords into ploughshares, and their spears
into pruninghooks, and they shall no longer learn to fight."
(Proof Against the Marcionites, that the Prophets Referred
in All Their Predictions to Our Christ, "Against Heresies,"
Book IV, Chapter 34)
Tertullian:
"among us, who have been called out of the nations,
-'and they shall join to beat their glaives into ploughs,
and their lances into sickles; and nations shall not take
up glaive against nation, and they shall no more learn
to fight.' Who else, therefore, are understood but we,
who, fully taught by the new law, observe these practices,
- the old law being obliterated, the coming of whose
abolition the action itself demonstrates?" ("Of Circumcision
and the Supercession of the Old Law," An Answer to the
Jews, Chapter III)
Melito of Sardis:
"Who will contend against me? Let him stand before me.
It is I who delivered the condemned. It is I who gave life
to the dead. It is I who raised up the buried. Who will
argue with me? It is I, says Christ, who destroyed death.
It is I who triumphed over the enemy, and having trod
down Hades, and bound the Strong Man, and have
snatched mankind up to the heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door
posts with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer.
For no more does death reign; but instead of death
henceforth is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;'
so that everything is filled with joy and gladness;
as it is written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth
rejoice.' For when death reigned, 'sitting down by
the rivers of Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because
we felt the bitterness of captivity; but now that death
and the kingdom of the devil is abolished, everything
is entirely filled with joy and gladness. And God is
no longer known only in Judaea, but in all the earth,
'their voice hath gone forth, and the knowledge of
Him hath filled all the earth.' (Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays
have lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness
from my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen
His holy day: The way of error I have left, and have walked
towards Him and have received salvation from Him, without
grudging. I have put on incorruption through His name:
and have put off corruption by His grace. Death hath been
destroyed before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished
by my word."
The so-called "Pastor" Dave challenges ACC to debate Preterism. After
only 2-3 rounds of discussion, he abandons any attempt to debate the
theology and the facts, and SPAM's ACC with FOURTY (40) cut'n'paste
articles fromt he "Preterist Archive" hoping to "declare victory" simply
by overwhelming us with the volume of his cut'n'pate spam!
Note especially in the list below, that all 40 messages were posted
within the span of 6 minutes:
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
PING: CHUCK - What Will You Say? 42
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Ancient Quotes - Church Fathers? 292
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Early Preterist Statements 167
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Resurrection of the Dead 771
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
REVELATION: WHEN WAS IT WRITTEN??? 534
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: Preterist Statements 655
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Oh, Chucky Chuckle Boy!!! - Part 1 46
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Oh, Chucky Chuckle Boy!!! - Part 2 360
11/20/07 8:14 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Significance of 70 AD 456
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: WILL YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR WORD OR NOT??? 172
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Irenaeus: 70 AD & Abrahamic Covenant 117
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Comments by Epiphanes 44
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Cool Info with Lots of Links to Writings Throughout Time 15
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Israel and the Church 72
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Justin Martyr: Sword , Plowshares and the Kingdom 59
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Clement: Abomination of Desolation 52
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Origen: Literal Interpretation Method 63
11/20/07 8:15 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Got Preterism? The Church Fathers' Did! 169
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eusebius: Fulfilled 21
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Shake, Ratte and Roll! 336
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
* Christ and the Resurrection of the Flesh * 895
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Cloud Coming Recorded by Historians 54
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Church History 82
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Seige of Jerusalem 830
11/20/07 8:16 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CHUCK: AND HERE IS HOW IT ENDED BETWEEN US!!!
386 11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Historical Church Says Christ Returned! 322
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
PRE-CHRISTIAN PRETERISM 224
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Who IS Israel 184
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Early Preterist Statements 167
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
IF CHRIST HAS NOT COME! 407
11/20/07 8:17 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Preterism, Society and the Modern Church; Tackling the Taboo,s 214
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology in American History 231
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
God's Israel Identity 144
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology Failed!!! 360
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
The Dating of the Book of Revelation 399
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Eschatology from a First Century Viewpoint 183
11/20/07 8:18 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Dating of the Book of Revelation - More Info! 471
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
CLOUD COMING OF JESUS RECORDED!!! 328
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Crying Voices of the Great Tribulation. 183
11/20/07 8:19 AM
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
Who Was the Beast and What Was the Mark? 20
11/20/07 8:20 AM
You say Dave challenged ACC to debate Preterism.
However it seems to me that you were one of those
planning an offensive against Preterism! Are you
feeling overwhelmed by only 40 posts by Dave? I expect
we could find several hundred more easily. But then I
thought you said that Preterism is something that noone
really believes in, and that there is no support for
Preterism. Now you can't handle 40 posts. What sort
of offensive is this! You should have stayed home!
So this is your best response to content, is to spam us
with your lack of content! (Smirk) Please Glen,
psalmsmith, gunny freedom, you must have something
important to run off and do! Why do you waste our time?
Maybe you would prefer to check into some of your other
schemes which you have brought up and then run from
when it came time to really explain and support with
scripture. We can search the archives and find those
threads, if you would like to explain yourself now!
Where are your friends Chuck and Baba? Did they leave
you here all alone? After planning this masterful
offensive of presenting the wisdom of the Church
fathers. I would say you got left holding the bag!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residences!
Whosoever will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
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