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"IKnowHimDoYou" |
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02 Jan 2004 11:37:26 AM |
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Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils. Looking at the living coelacanth we can
see that it has only ever been a coelacanth and will never be anything
else.
Here is another fish tale told by the backward thinking crowd of those who
claim evolution to be a "fact".
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| User: "Cricket" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 07:27:43 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <heavenly@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:heavenly-0201040937260001@pm8-25.kalama.com...
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils. Looking at the living coelacanth we can
see that it has only ever been a coelacanth and will never be anything
else.
Here is another fish tale told by the backward thinking crowd of those who
claim evolution to be a "fact".
Just checking - you do realize that this has absolutely no relevance to the
subject of evolution, right?
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| User: "Bup" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 04:22:50 PM |
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I dont know which group you read *from*. Perhaps you check in all the groups
you post to, perhaps not. Anyway this reply is reluctantly sent to all the
groups you've just spammed.
Please do not cross-post. Post to just *one* group (two at most if *really*
relevant). There are a variety of reasons why you should stick to that. Read
up on newsgroup and usenet ettiquette for more information on better
posting.
Here's a link on posting if that helps. It is to a webpage that offers
advice on posting to technical newsgroups, however, the information is
mostly relevant for non-technical groups as well:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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| User: "Elmer Bataitis" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 11:48:56 AM |
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IKnowNothingDoYou wrote:
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils.
And the evidence you present that substantiates this claim is....?
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Elmer Bataitis “Hot dog! Smooch city here I come!”
Planetech Services -Hobbes
585-442-2884
"...proudly wearing and displaying, as a badge of honor, the
straight jacket of conventional thought."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 12:09:34 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:48:56 GMT, Elmer Bataitis
<nylicens@frontiernet.net> spake thusly:
IKnowNothingDoYou wrote:
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils.
And the evidence you present that substantiates this claim is....?
He just gave it to you. But we both know that you ask,
because you cannot substantiate the claim that they
came from something else. 350 million years is
certainly a lot more time to evolve into something else
than what evolutionists claim.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video
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| User: "Matt Silberstein matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 11:50:01 AM |
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In alt.religion.christian I read this message from
heavenly@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils.
For some astoundingly bizarre meaning of "completely unchanged",
sure. The 300 million year old one has not changed much in the
last 299 million years, the current ones don't change much day to
day. But the current coelacanths look quite a bit different from
the older ones.
Looking at the living coelacanth we can
see that it has only ever been a coelacanth and will never be anything
else.
What would you expect it to be?
Here is another fish tale told by the backward thinking crowd of those who
claim evolution to be a "fact".
I agree with you 100%, your post did contain a lie.
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| User: "Og" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 12:54:43 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:bmbbvv0frmjdj9vai8robmbq2t6o1onsf8@4ax.com...
In alt.religion.christian I read this message from
heavenly@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from
these
"350 million year old" fossils.
For some astoundingly bizarre meaning of "completely unchanged",
sure. The 300 million year old one has not changed much in the
last 299 million years, the current ones don't change much day to
day. But the current coelacanths look quite a bit different from
the older ones.
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
Looking at the living coelacanth we can
see that it has only ever been a coelacanth and will never be anything
else.
What would you expect it to be?
He would have expected it to be a coelacanth.
You would have expected it to have evolved into
something else.
I see, if you can't dispute the facts, just dodge the issue.
Og
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| User: "Matt Silberstein matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
03 Jan 2004 12:27:52 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian I read this message from "Og"
<Og@bashan.org>:
"Matt Silberstein" <matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:bmbbvv0frmjdj9vai8robmbq2t6o1onsf8@4ax.com...
In alt.religion.christian I read this message from
heavenly@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from
these
"350 million year old" fossils.
For some astoundingly bizarre meaning of "completely unchanged",
sure. The 300 million year old one has not changed much in the
last 299 million years, the current ones don't change much day to
day. But the current coelacanths look quite a bit different from
the older ones.
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
What pictures have you seen and what comparisons have you made?
You disagree with the experts who have studied the actual fossils
and living fish, so I wonder if you could provide some details.
Here is an article from the American Museum of Natural History
(along with a picture):
http://www.amnh.org/naturalhistory/0501/0501_pick.html
Here is a picture of the fossil:
http://www.teylersmuseum.nl/img.db?583
Let us know from your expertise in the subject why they are the
same.
Looking at the living coelacanth we can
see that it has only ever been a coelacanth and will never be anything
else.
What would you expect it to be?
He would have expected it to be a coelacanth.
You would have expected it to have evolved into
something else.
I see, if you can't dispute the facts, just dodge the issue.
How is that a dodge?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
03 Jan 2004 08:51:47 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:27:52 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom> spake thusly:
In alt.religion.christian I read this message from "Og"
<Og@bashan.org>:
"Matt Silberstein" <matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:bmbbvv0frmjdj9vai8robmbq2t6o1onsf8@4ax.com...
In alt.religion.christian I read this message from
heavenly@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
Coelacanths-Living Fossils?
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from
these
"350 million year old" fossils.
For some astoundingly bizarre meaning of "completely unchanged",
sure. The 300 million year old one has not changed much in the
last 299 million years, the current ones don't change much day to
day. But the current coelacanths look quite a bit different from
the older ones.
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
What pictures have you seen and what comparisons have you made?
You disagree with the experts who have studied the actual fossils
and living fish, so I wonder if you could provide some details.
Here is an article from the American Museum of Natural History
(along with a picture):
http://www.amnh.org/naturalhistory/0501/0501_pick.html
Here is a picture of the fossil:
http://www.teylersmuseum.nl/img.db?583
Let us know from your expertise in the subject why they are the
same.
Really? Not the same fish, huh? Is that why they are
so amazed and claim that it has survived for 350
million years?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.douknow.net/ev_evolution_test.htm
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| User: "Elmer Bataitis" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 12:53:31 PM |
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Og wrote:
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
Really? Care to give us a peer reviewed scientific reference that the
living and fossil coelacanths are "...obviously the same fish"?
Guess what? You won't find one.
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Elmer Bataitis “Hot dog! Smooch city here I come!”
Planetech Services -Hobbes
585-442-2884
"...proudly wearing and displaying, as a badge of honor, the
straight jacket of conventional thought."
***************************************************************
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 01:28:37 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:53:31 GMT, Elmer Bataitis
<nylicens@frontiernet.net> spake thusly:
Og wrote:
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
Really? Care to give us a peer reviewed scientific reference that the
living and fossil coelacanths are "...obviously the same fish"?
Guess what? You won't find one.
Care to give one that says they're not and why not?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Evolution is a theory universally accepted
not because it can be proven by logically
coherent evidence to be true, but because
the only alternative, special creation, is
clearly incredible. - D.M.S. Watson,
Adaptation, Nature 124:233, 1929
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| User: "Steve W" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
03 Jan 2004 07:01:06 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in message
news:jihbvvc43irctq7f90bh39iaaqjbp8094i@4ax.com...
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:53:31 GMT, Elmer Bataitis
<nylicens@frontiernet.net> spake thusly:
Og wrote:
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
Really? Care to give us a peer reviewed scientific reference that the
living and fossil coelacanths are "...obviously the same fish"?
Guess what? You won't find one.
Care to give one that says they're not and why not?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Are you implying that a species cannot be the source of new species without
becoming extinct? Evolution is not exclusively linear.
-Steve
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
03 Jan 2004 08:50:58 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:01:06 GMT, "Steve W"
<stwysongREMOVE@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in message
news:jihbvvc43irctq7f90bh39iaaqjbp8094i@4ax.com...
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:53:31 GMT, Elmer Bataitis
<nylicens@frontiernet.net> spake thusly:
Og wrote:
I have looked at pictures of living and fossil coelacanths.
It's obviously the same fish.
Really? Care to give us a peer reviewed scientific reference that the
living and fossil coelacanths are "...obviously the same fish"?
Guess what? You won't find one.
Care to give one that says they're not and why not?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Are you implying that a species cannot be the source of new species without
becoming extinct? Evolution is not exclusively linear.
No, I'm implying that Elmer is acting like an idiot.
They are the same fish.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Atheism is folly, and atheists are the
greatest fools in nature; for they see
there is a world that could not make
itself, and yet they will not own there
is a God that made it. - Matthew Henry
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: Coelacanths-Living Fossils? |
02 Jan 2004 01:05:24 PM |
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Evolutionary religionists claim the the fossil coelacanth fish lived 360
million years ago and is our ancestor or very like it! But coelacanths
have been found living in the ocean and are completly unchanged from these
"350 million year old" fossils.
Again a true fundie (AKA homo idioticus) gleefully demonstrates his
complete ignorance of the topics he tries to fight.
Please note, dear readers, that this particular homo idioticus is
unable to calculate 12 - 9 correctly but thinks he can teach the
world...
UNWRITTEN RULES OF FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical,
psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans
for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will
for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information
in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you
don't
have that right anyhow.
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