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User: "Craig Chilton"
Date: 22 May 2005 07:30:22 AM
Object: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Liberal" ones!
SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11
What is a Liberal Christian?
Sometimes liberals are thought to be Christians who have
backslidden; people who don't have enough faith, or are too
"in the world." Actually, nothing could be farther from the
truth. Liberal Christians are committed believers in the Lord Jesus
Christ, who have thoroughly studied the scriptures and traditions
of the Church, and have examined their faith in the light of
reason and experience. They believe in:
Diversity ---
Perhaps the defining characteristic of liberal Christians is that
they are comfortable with ambiguity and diversity. They realize
that life is a complex spiritual journey, and that each person on
that journey is confronted with unexpected revelations and unique
experiences.
Liberal Christians therefore welcome a variety of approaches
to understanding God, and are open to new ways of talking about
the Divine. Religious questions are seen as complex, and answers
only tentative. Certain that "now we see through a glass, darkly"
(1 Cor. 13:12), liberals are cautious about making dogmatic state-
ments or claiming to have a monopoly on the truth. They see the
search for truth as an ongoing task, rather than one that has
already been completed.
A Non-Literal View of Scripture ---
Conservative Christians are often content to answer religious
questions by appealing to the absolute authority of Scripture.
Liberal Christians, on the other hand, find such an approach to be
flawed. Many see the Bible as a witness to revelation, or generally
inspired, rather than completely inspired in all its parts. Just as
Jesus was fully human and wholey divine, so one must also see
the Bible as a product of both human and Divine influences.
Indeed, liberal Christians are quick to point out that the falleness
and imperfection of its human authors gives the Bible an imperfect
quality and authority.
Liberals view Scripture through a critical lens, and are not afraid
to challenge traditional assumptions and interpretations. They rely
heavily on higher criticism of the Bible, which looks into the origin
and composition of the biblical texts, revealing a great deal about
the human aspect of Scripture. Modern philosophical, biological,
and cosmological theories that are well supported by evidence,
and reflect the true nature of the world around us, can also shape
the way liberals interpret Scripture. Traditional Christian doctrines,
such as the Virgin Birth, the Atonement, the Trinity, the deity of
Christ, and the Resurrection, are sometimes given new interpre-
tations by liberals.
Perhaps more so than evangelical and Fundamentalist
Christians, liberal Christians see the teachings of Jesus as having
a central place. Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience
are each given equal footing in determining Christian faith.
An Intimate, Personal View of God ---
Imminent and personal images of God in Scripture are attrac-
tive to liberals. For some this takes on the form of a belief in
panentheism (Everything-in-God-ism). Liberals also see little
distinction between the natural and the supernatural, and there-
fore do not look for "miracles" to confirm the existence of God.
Instead, they feel that faith in God allows one to see the Spirit
moving in the everyday stuff of life.
Universal Salvation ---
The concept of personal salvation is not typically stressed by
liberal Christians. Accordingly, traditional images of heaven, hell,
and the End Times are not given much weight in their theologies.
When salvation is discussed, liberals are more apt to stress its
"this worldly" aspects, and appeal to a universalist interpretation
of Scripture when confronted with questions of eternal punish-
ment and rewards.
For many liberal Christians, social justice is a central concern,
and the transformation of society, rather than that of the individ-
ual, is more typically stressed. Equality for racial minorities, women,
homosexuals, and the economically disadvantaged is seen as an
essential part of the Gospel message. A concern for the environ-
ment, and other typically liberal social issues, also find a great deal
of support among liberal Christians.
Fellowship & Community ---
Liberals tend to stress the centrality of community in the
Christian experience. They can be found in almost all churches
(from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist), but tend to be in
greater numbers in the mainline Protestant denominations:
American Baptist Churches, USA; Disciples of Christ; Episcopal
Church; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; Presbyterian
Church, USA; United Church of Christ, and the United Methodist
Church.
The Unitarian Universalist Association and the Metropolitan
Community Churches are even more liberally minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Liberal" ones! 22 May 2005 09:48:51 AM
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time, he woulda
dispensed with the childish "all babies have been born" untruthful, liar's
pablum.
.
User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Liberal" ones! 22 May 2005 11:04:53 AM
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SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11



Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time, he woulda
dispensed with the childish "all babies have been born" untruthful, liar's
pablum.

You have an amazing ability to see something that isn't there!
.
User: "Eric Bohlman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Liberal" ones! 23 May 2005 02:17:05 AM
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SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away childish
things. 1 Corinthians 13:11



Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time, he
woulda dispensed with the childish "all babies have been born"
untruthful, liar's pablum.


You have an amazing ability to see something that isn't there!

"When I was an unimplanted fertilized egg, I spoke as an unimplanted
fertilized egg, I thought as an unimplanted fertilized egg..."
.


User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Liberal" ones! 22 May 2005 09:14:51 AM
On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
Moronic Loser, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.
Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.
<bullcrap flushed>
And... BTW, the above passage refers to *children* -- and ALL
children have been BORN.
So you're OFF-topic, too.
No one can say you aren't an **all-around** nitwit.
<Previous post RESTORED> ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11
What is a Liberal Christian?
Sometimes liberals are thought to be Christians who have
backslidden; people who don't have enough faith, or are too
"in the world." Actually, nothing could be farther from the
truth. Liberal Christians are committed believers in the Lord Jesus
Christ, who have thoroughly studied the scriptures and traditions
of the Church, and have examined their faith in the light of
reason and experience. They believe in:
Diversity ---
Perhaps the defining characteristic of liberal Christians is that
they are comfortable with ambiguity and diversity. They realize
that life is a complex spiritual journey, and that each person on
that journey is confronted with unexpected revelations and unique
experiences.
Liberal Christians therefore welcome a variety of approaches
to understanding God, and are open to new ways of talking about
the Divine. Religious questions are seen as complex, and answers
only tentative. Certain that "now we see through a glass, darkly"
(1 Cor. 13:12), liberals are cautious about making dogmatic state-
ments or claiming to have a monopoly on the truth. They see the
search for truth as an ongoing task, rather than one that has
already been completed.
A Non-Literal View of Scripture ---
Conservative Christians are often content to answer religious
questions by appealing to the absolute authority of Scripture.
Liberal Christians, on the other hand, find such an approach to be
flawed. Many see the Bible as a witness to revelation, or generally
inspired, rather than completely inspired in all its parts. Just as
Jesus was fully human and wholey divine, so one must also see
the Bible as a product of both human and Divine influences.
Indeed, liberal Christians are quick to point out that the falleness
and imperfection of its human authors gives the Bible an imperfect
quality and authority.
Liberals view Scripture through a critical lens, and are not afraid
to challenge traditional assumptions and interpretations. They rely
heavily on higher criticism of the Bible, which looks into the origin
and composition of the biblical texts, revealing a great deal about
the human aspect of Scripture. Modern philosophical, biological,
and cosmological theories that are well supported by evidence,
and reflect the true nature of the world around us, can also shape
the way liberals interpret Scripture. Traditional Christian doctrines,
such as the Virgin Birth, the Atonement, the Trinity, the deity of
Christ, and the Resurrection, are sometimes given new interpre-
tations by liberals.
Perhaps more so than evangelical and Fundamentalist
Christians, liberal Christians see the teachings of Jesus as having
a central place. Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience
are each given equal footing in determining Christian faith.
An Intimate, Personal View of God ---
Imminent and personal images of God in Scripture are attrac-
tive to liberals. For some this takes on the form of a belief in
panentheism (Everything-in-God-ism). Liberals also see little
distinction between the natural and the supernatural, and there-
fore do not look for "miracles" to confirm the existence of God.
Instead, they feel that faith in God allows one to see the Spirit
moving in the everyday stuff of life.
Universal Salvation ---
The concept of personal salvation is not typically stressed by
liberal Christians. Accordingly, traditional images of heaven, hell,
and the End Times are not given much weight in their theologies.
When salvation is discussed, liberals are more apt to stress its
"this worldly" aspects, and appeal to a universalist interpretation
of Scripture when confronted with questions of eternal punish-
ment and rewards.
For many liberal Christians, social justice is a central concern,
and the transformation of society, rather than that of the individ-
ual, is more typically stressed. Equality for racial minorities, women,
homosexuals, and the economically disadvantaged is seen as an
essential part of the Gospel message. A concern for the environ-
ment, and other typically liberal social issues, also find a great deal
of support among liberal Christians.
Fellowship & Community ---
Liberals tend to stress the centrality of community in the
Christian experience. They can be found in almost all churches
(from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist), but tend to be in
greater numbers in the mainline Protestant denominations:
American Baptist Churches, USA; Disciples of Christ; Episcopal
Church; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; Presbyterian
Church, USA; United Church of Christ, and the United Methodist
Church.
The Unitarian Universalist Association and the Metropolitan
Community Churches are even more liberally minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 09:27:10 AM
Moronic Loser,"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the evidence.
You bigoted hatemongers never want to produce any facts.
<craig's bigotry and hatemongering snipped>
.
User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 11:06:36 AM
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
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Moronic Loser,"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the evidence.

You bigoted hatemongers never want to produce any facts.

YOU hatemongers never provide any sane logic.
The person making the ORIGINAL CLAIM is responsible for providing the
evidence, dunce!!!
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 11:18:11 AM
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Moronic Loser,"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather
than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the
evidence.

You bigoted hatemongers never want to produce any facts.


YOU hatemongers never provide any sane logic.
The person making the ORIGINAL CLAIM is responsible for providing the
evidence, dunce!!!

Oh look, nothing but a personal attack.
Cheers hatemonger!
.
User: "c-bee1"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 01:39:17 PM
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Moronic Loser,"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child:

but

when I became a man, I put away childish

things.

1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather
than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the
evidence.

You bigoted hatemongers never want to produce any facts.


YOU hatemongers never provide any sane logic.
The person making the ORIGINAL CLAIM is responsible for providing the
evidence, dunce!!!


Oh look, nothing but a personal attack.

Cheers hatemonger!

translation - as always, marky mark has nothing.
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 01:43:10 PM
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child:

but

when I became a man, I put away childish

things.

1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's
time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather
than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the
evidence.

You bigoted hatemongers never want to produce any facts.


YOU hatemongers never provide any sane logic.
The person making the ORIGINAL CLAIM is responsible for providing the
evidence, dunce!!!


Oh look, nothing but a personal attack.

Cheers hatemonger!


translation - as always, marky mark has nothing.

Translation Marksman kicks c-beeweenie's ***** again.
.




User: "c-bee1"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 01:38:33 PM
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Moronic Loser,"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the evidence.

rofl
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 01:43:23 PM
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:48:51 -0500,
John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:



SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11


Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...


First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather
than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce the
evidence.


rofl

Translation Marksman kicks c-beeweenie's ***** again.
.


User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 10:30:04 AM
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 22 May 2005 10:35:24 AM
Moronic Loser, "Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message ...

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.


Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it.

The significance is you made the claim, now back it up. Of course, you can
admit to being the LIAR everyone already knows you are.
<craig's remaining lying idiocy flushed>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 24 May 2005 11:33:30 AM
Moronic Loser, "Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
....

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.


Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it.

The significance is you made the claim, now back it up. Of course, you
can
admit to being the LIAR everyone already knows you are.
<craig's remaining lying idiocy flushed>
.

User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 28 May 2005 08:18:25 AM
Moronic Loser, "Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
....

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.


Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it.

The significance is you made the claim, now back it up. Of course, you
can
admit to being the LIAR everyone already knows you are.
<craig's remaining lying idiocy flushed>
.

User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 30 May 2005 11:48:37 AM
Moronic Loser, "Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
....

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.


Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it.

The significance is you made the claim, now back it up. Of course, you
can
admit to being the LIAR everyone already knows you are.
<craig's remaining lying idiocy flushed>
.

User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 30 May 2005 12:37:21 PM
Moronic Loser, "Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
....

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.


If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.


Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it.

The significance is you made the claim, now back it up. Of course, you
can
admit to being the LIAR everyone already knows you are.
<craig's remaining lying idiocy flushed>
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 30 May 2005 02:48:52 PM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 30 May 2005 05:53:02 PM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
whined and lied again:
Craig AGAIN deletes the facts and replaces it with his HATE speech.
Not going to happen craig, you hate monger.
Your hate filled speech id DELETED and the same question is asked: Why
are you such a HATE MONGER, RACIST and BIGOT? Don't you know your
MASTERS at the DNC don't care about you or human rights? Why do you
continue to post your HATE SPEECH and HATE MONGERING? You only further
to let sane and fair minded people know your HATEFUL DNC agenda? Is
that what your intentions are? Not that I mind, You further the cause
of the sane, fair minded people of the RNC.
Please keep posting your hate speech, so EVERYONE knows what a hateful
group of CULTISTS you and your ilk of the DNC are. I appreciate it,
you have done FAR more for the RNC sane rights and upholding of the US
Constitution than anyone could have imagined!
Thanks for helping the sane, fair minded cause!
Cheers!
.

User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 30 May 2005 05:53:27 PM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
whined and lied again:
Craig AGAIN deletes the facts and replaces it with his HATE speech.
Not going to happen craig, you hate monger.
Your hate filled speech id DELETED and the same question is asked: Why
are you such a HATE MONGER, RACIST and BIGOT? Don't you know your
MASTERS at the DNC don't care about you or human rights? Why do you
continue to post your HATE SPEECH and HATE MONGERING? You only further
to let sane and fair minded people know your HATEFUL DNC agenda? Is
that what your intentions are? Not that I mind, You further the cause
of the sane, fair minded people of the RNC.
Please keep posting your hate speech, so EVERYONE knows what a hateful
group of CULTISTS you and your ilk of the DNC are. I appreciate it,
you have done FAR more for the RNC sane rights and upholding of the US
Constitution than anyone could have imagined!
Thanks for helping the sane, fair minded cause!
Cheers!
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 10 Jun 2005 07:24:42 PM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 10 Jun 2005 08:20:44 PM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
whined and lied again:
<hate swill and lies mercifully deleted>
craig is back posting his hate mongering and lies again.
Cheers hatemonger!
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 02:18:22 AM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.


User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 04:17:54 AM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
whined and lied again:
<hate swill and lies mercifully deleted>
craig is back posting his hate mongering and lies again.
Cheers hatemonger!
.

User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 04:23:14 AM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
whined and lied again:
<hate swill and lies mercifully deleted>
craig is back posting his hate mongering and lies again.
Cheers hatemonger!
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 10:13:37 AM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 10:27:51 AM
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> whined
and lied again:
<mindless hate swill and lies mercifully deleted>
craig is back posting his hate mongering and lies again.
Cheers hatemonger!
Note: This post is in response to craig's SPAMMING.
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 11 Jun 2005 11:02:36 AM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 12 Jun 2005 05:26:50 AM
Lying, Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> whined and lied again:
<mindless hate swill and lies mercifully deleted>
craig is back posting his hate mongering and lies again.
Cheers hatemonger!
Note: This post is in response to craig's SPAMMING.
.
User: "Craig Chilton"

Title: Re: COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity... and the REAL Christians often are the "Conservative" ones! 12 Jun 2005 12:58:29 PM
=== "Sir Marksman" designated the groups that
he evidently RESIDES in (very appropriately!) --
alt.idiots, alt.morons -- but I've *corrected* that
so it will reach the groups it's SUPPOSED to reach.
If that hatemonger want to read this post, he'll
just have to leave his home groups to visit one
of the normal ones. Which he usually manages
to do -- resulting in a barrage of some of the
most mindless & hateful STUPIDITY that we've
seen since the segregationists' agenda became
extinct. ===
On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:27:10 GMT,
Moronic Loser, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hateful Bigot, John Wentzky <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

=== The CORRECT and ACCURATE subject header of
this... **before** the infantile little "Sir Marksman"
turned it into a LIE, is ---
COMPASSIONATE Christianity is REAL Christianity...
and the REAL Christians often are the often
are the "Liberal" ones!

SOURCE:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/liberal.htm

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Which means if abortion on demand were legal in Paul's time,...

First of all, it's abortion-on-REQUEST. One only needs to
"demand' something when someone is trying to DENY it to them.

Secondly... can you produce any documentation that abortion
(which generally was herbally induced back then, via abortifacients)
was NOT readily available in Paul's time? If so... CITE it, rather than
making a bigoted ***** of yourself.

If you can prove it WAS happening, it is YOUR job to produce
the evidence.

Only if there were any SIGNIFICANCE to it. But abortion, just like
applying a bandage, is merely a REMEDY. Thus, it would be as silly
to try to find evidence that people were sensible enough, back then,
to NOT oppose abortion... as it would be to seek evidence that people
were sensible enough, back then, NOT to oppose putting bandages
on injuries.
<remaining lying idiocy flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.
















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