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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Pastor Dave"
Date: 29 Jul 2004 09:20:20 AM
Object: CRAIG CHILTON ADMITS HIS REAL AGENDA
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:39:21 GMT,

(GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest
Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) screamed out:

There is no denial of equal rights by saying homosexuals
cannot marry.


Yes, there most certainly IS. If there weren't, we wouldn't be
seing a collection of hateful loons running around flapping their
arms and screeching for a Bigotry Amendment with which to
pollute and poison the Constitution.

I'm the one who constantly uses name calling and shouting in my
messages regarding this issue, which only shows us that
I have no argument to make. It seems that I'm the
one "flapping your arms and screeching bigotry".

One does not put on a Jets uniform and demand to be
able to play with the team, just because one wants to
and then claim a denial of equal rights. There is a
definition as to what a Jet is.


And there is NO legal definition of marriage in the Constitution
that would EXCLUDE gays from marrying their same-sex partners.
And the morons who SEEK to exclude them are loathsome bigots
who are without excuse.

Marriage has always been one man and one woman and
homosexuals claiming marriage has never been normative
in any society in history and those that did cater to
this lifestyle are long in ruins.
"There is a long history of same-sex unions in the western world. That
many early western societies tolerated, and even celebrated, same sex
relationships is well-known. Evidence of same-sex marriage, however, is
less clear, but there exists some evidence, often controversial, of same-
sex marriages in ancient Rome and Greece, and even in medieval Europe.
Same-sex unions have also been recorded among Native Americans and
Africans.
In ancient Rome, for example, the Emperor Nero is reported to have
married, at different times, two other men in wedding ceremonies. Other
Roman Emperors are reported to have done the same thing. The increasing
influence of Christianity, which promoted marriage for procreative
purposes, is linked with the increasing intolerance of homosexuality in
Rome.
Same-sex marriage has been documented in many societies that were not
subject to Christian influence. In North America, among the Native
American societies, it has taken the form of two-spirit-type
relationships, in which some members of the tribe, from an early age,
heed a calling to take on female gender with all its responsibilities.
They are prized as wives by the other men in the tribe, who enter into
formal marriages with these two-spirit men. They are also respected as
being especially powerful shamans.
In Africa, among the Azande of the Congo, men would marry youths for whom
they had to pay a bride-price to the father. These marriages likewise
were understood to be of a temporary nature.
Finally, in Europe during Hellenic times, pederastic relationships
between Greek men (erastes) and youths (eromenos) who had come of age
were analogous to marriage in several aspects. The age of the youth was
similar to the age at which women married (the mid-teens), and the
relationship could only be undertaken with the consent of the father.
This consent, just as in the case of a daughter's marriage, was
contingent on the suitor's social standing. The relationship, just like a
marriage, consisted of very specific social and religious
responsibilities, and also had an erotic component."
Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#The_west
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: CRAIG CHILTON ADMITS HIS REAL AGENDA 29 Jul 2004 11:26:38 AM
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

And there is NO legal definition of marriage in the Constitution
that would EXCLUDE gays from marrying their same-sex partners.
And the morons who SEEK to exclude them are loathsome bigots
who are without excuse.


Marriage has always been one man and one woman

That's a lie. Very conveniently you provide proof that you're lying
just a little further on in your quote from Wikipedia.

and
homosexuals claiming marriage has never been normative
in any society in history

That too is a lie.

and those that did cater to
this lifestyle are long in ruins.

By demanding the right to persecute gays you are destroying marriage.

"There is a long history of same-sex unions in the western world. That
many early western societies tolerated, and even celebrated, same sex
relationships is well-known. Evidence of same-sex marriage, however, is
less clear, but there exists some evidence, often controversial, of same-
sex marriages in ancient Rome and Greece, and even in medieval Europe.
Same-sex unions have also been recorded among Native Americans and
Africans.

In ancient Rome, for example, the Emperor Nero is reported to have
married, at different times, two other men in wedding ceremonies. Other
Roman Emperors are reported to have done the same thing. The increasing
influence of Christianity, which promoted marriage for procreative
purposes, is linked with the increasing intolerance of homosexuality in
Rome.

Same-sex marriage has been documented in many societies that were not
subject to Christian influence. In North America, among the Native
American societies, it has taken the form of two-spirit-type
relationships, in which some members of the tribe, from an early age,
heed a calling to take on female gender with all its responsibilities.
They are prized as wives by the other men in the tribe, who enter into
formal marriages with these two-spirit men. They are also respected as
being especially powerful shamans.

In Africa, among the Azande of the Congo, men would marry youths for whom
they had to pay a bride-price to the father. These marriages likewise
were understood to be of a temporary nature.

Finally, in Europe during Hellenic times, pederastic relationships
between Greek men (erastes) and youths (eromenos) who had come of age
were analogous to marriage in several aspects. The age of the youth was
similar to the age at which women married (the mid-teens), and the
relationship could only be undertaken with the consent of the father.
This consent, just as in the case of a daughter's marriage, was
contingent on the suitor's social standing. The relationship, just like a
marriage, consisted of very specific social and religious
responsibilities, and also had an erotic component."

Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#The_west









--

± Pastor Dave ±

"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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\}

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Hypatia Kosh"

Title: Re: CRAIG CHILTON ADMITS HIS REAL AGENDA 06 Aug 2004 07:01:59 PM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<ceb8ft$rtl$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

And there is NO legal definition of marriage in the Constitution
that would EXCLUDE gays from marrying their same-sex partners.
And the morons who SEEK to exclude them are loathsome bigots
who are without excuse.


Marriage has always been one man and one woman


That's a lie. Very conveniently you provide proof that you're lying
just a little further on in your quote from Wikipedia.

and
homosexuals claiming marriage has never been normative
in any society in history


That too is a lie.

and those that did cater to
this lifestyle are long in ruins.


By demanding the right to persecute gays you are destroying marriage.

"There is a long history of same-sex unions in the western world. That
many early western societies tolerated, and even celebrated, same sex
relationships is well-known. Evidence of same-sex marriage, however, is
less clear, but there exists some evidence, often controversial, of same-

And some of it not controversial at all. The satirist Juvenal spoke
acidly of same-sex marriages between men in which one 'played the
bride' (according to Roman marriage customs). Legal protection was
obtained via Rome's very liberal adoption laws. (Adopting heirs was
very common, especially among those with money; it was also commonly
used to protect lovers.)

sex marriages in ancient Rome and Greece, and even in medieval Europe.
Same-sex unions have also been recorded among Native Americans and
Africans.

In ancient Rome, for example, the Emperor Nero is reported to have
married, at different times, two other men in wedding ceremonies. Other
Roman Emperors are reported to have done the same thing. The increasing
influence of Christianity, which promoted marriage for procreative
purposes, is linked with the increasing intolerance of homosexuality in
Rome.

Same-sex marriage has been documented in many societies that were not
subject to Christian influence. In North America, among the Native
American societies, it has taken the form of two-spirit-type
relationships, in which some members of the tribe, from an early age,
heed a calling to take on female gender with all its responsibilities.
They are prized as wives by the other men in the tribe, who enter into
formal marriages with these two-spirit men. They are also respected as
being especially powerful shamans.

From what I've read, there were also women who took on men's duties at
puberty and married women. The term that has come to us via the French
is berdache.
.



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