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"Dr Tam" |
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04 Apr 2005 10:02:18 PM |
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Creation |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4408187.stm
A European team claims to have obtained the first direct image of a planet
beyond our own Solar System.
The "extrasolar planet" is said to orbit a star called GQ Lup - thought to
be like a young version of our Sun.
Similar claims have been made in the past, but sceptical scientists believe
the pictures merely show objects that share the same view in the sky.
The GQ Lup object is far more certain claims Ralph Neuhaeuser's team in the
journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.
GQ Lup and its companion are located in a star-forming region about 400
light-years away.
Dr Tam
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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08 Apr 2005 02:43:17 PM |
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In article <9abd51pjm5ep2e5m3i1eotdstdo06usso6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 08:12:21 -0700, while wishing I would go
away, "An Sionnach Rua" <womblewilly@hotmail.com> said:
Are we allowed to invoke "faith", or is that
magic wand reserved just for your arguments?
So then, you admit that you believe it by faith and not
by scientific fact.
Correct. Ultimately, it is faith that the scientific community is
making the best use of the evidence the find to construct valid
theories.
Regarding the "stellar nurseries", there is no
scientific evidence that stars are being born there.
thus, it is entirely faith, not partly faith.
This is nonsense. You just disregard what has been observed and call it
faith.
It is the cheapest way of argument. "No matter what you say I can't hear
it and you hence your reasoning is not valid no matter what you say".
This discussion is never going to lead anywhere.
Jochen
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http://www.binevenagh.com
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| User: "westprog" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
08 Apr 2005 05:20:53 PM |
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"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d58887461jl@argonet.co.uk...
In article <9abd51pjm5ep2e5m3i1eotdstdo06usso6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 08:12:21 -0700, while wishing I would go
away, "An Sionnach Rua" <womblewilly@hotmail.com> said:
....
Regarding the "stellar nurseries", there is no
scientific evidence that stars are being born there.
thus, it is entirely faith, not partly faith.
This is nonsense. You just disregard what has been observed and call it
faith.
It is the cheapest way of argument. "No matter what you say I can't hear
it and you hence your reasoning is not valid no matter what you say".
This discussion is never going to lead anywhere.
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which enabled
worlds and life to come into existence. It's still a subject worthy of
consideration. The argument is really between Pastor Dave and the atheist
scientists, who insist that it is impossible to believe in evolution and to
be a Christian - something that I suspect many contributors to this thread
would go along with - and those who believe that there is no necessary
contradiction.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Virgil" |
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09 Apr 2005 02:14:53 PM |
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In article <gxT5e.51233$Z14.39860@news.indigo.ie>,
"westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d58887461jl@argonet.co.uk...
In article <9abd51pjm5ep2e5m3i1eotdstdo06usso6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 08:12:21 -0700, while wishing I would go
away, "An Sionnach Rua" <womblewilly@hotmail.com> said:
...
Regarding the "stellar nurseries", there is no
scientific evidence that stars are being born there.
thus, it is entirely faith, not partly faith.
This is nonsense. You just disregard what has been observed and call it
faith.
It is the cheapest way of argument. "No matter what you say I can't hear
it and you hence your reasoning is not valid no matter what you say".
This discussion is never going to lead anywhere.
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which enabled
worlds and life to come into existence. It's still a subject worthy of
consideration. The argument is really between Pastor Dave and the atheist
scientists, who insist that it is impossible to believe in evolution and to
be a Christian - something that I suspect many contributors to this thread
would go along with - and those who believe that there is no necessary
contradiction.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
Actually, I have no quarrel with theists whose theism does not reject
science, since they tend to behave rationally in other ways as well.
But I am much irritated by who reject science because of their religious
beliefs, particularly those who hypocritically mask some of their
beliefs as being scientific, like the creationists and intelligent
design supporters.
The only such group which rejects any part of science without being
hypocritical about this are Christian Scientists who reject the benefits
of medical science on clear moral and ethical grounds. The fundies want
all the benefits of science while denying it.
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| User: "westprog" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:11:50 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-8F448E.13145309042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
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But I am much irritated by who reject science because of their religious
beliefs, particularly those who hypocritically mask some of their
beliefs as being scientific, like the creationists and intelligent
design supporters.
The only such group which rejects any part of science without being
hypocritical about this are Christian Scientists who reject the benefits
of medical science on clear moral and ethical grounds. The fundies want
all the benefits of science while denying it.
I've just as much of a problem with the Richard Dawkins of science, who
think that they have some particular metaphysical insight due to their
scientific knowlege. Scientists should remember that they are still looking
for pretty pebbles, while the whole ocean surrounds them.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:52:11 PM |
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In article <_pY5e.51250$Z14.39787@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've just as much of a problem with the Richard Dawkins of science, who
think that they have some particular metaphysical insight due to their
scientific knowlege. Scientists should remember that they are still
looking for pretty pebbles, while the whole ocean surrounds them.
Mind you, Dawkins has a very sharp brain and has produced some admirable
and convincing reasoning. I agree that scientist are looking for pebbles,
but generally speaking, they recognize a pebble sooner than the rest of
the species.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| User: "westprog" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:49:42 AM |
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"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d5918177bjl@argonet.co.uk...
In article <_pY5e.51250$Z14.39787@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've just as much of a problem with the Richard Dawkins of science, who
think that they have some particular metaphysical insight due to their
scientific knowlege. Scientists should remember that they are still
looking for pretty pebbles, while the whole ocean surrounds them.
Mind you, Dawkins has a very sharp brain and has produced some admirable
and convincing reasoning. I agree that scientist are looking for pebbles,
but generally speaking, they recognize a pebble sooner than the rest of
the species.
Dawkins is good at pebble recognition, but he's convinced himself that as a
scientist, he is more competent to pronounce on metaphysics than the man in
the street. If he claimed to be an atheist on the balance of probability,
that would be one thing, but he insists on speaking ex cathedra.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
10 Apr 2005 08:26:50 AM |
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In article <ww76e.51272$Z14.39920@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mind you, Dawkins has a very sharp brain and has produced some
admirable and convincing reasoning. I agree that scientist are looking
for pebbles, but generally speaking, they recognize a pebble sooner
than the rest of the species.
Dawkins is good at pebble recognition, but he's convinced himself that
as a scientist, he is more competent to pronounce on metaphysics than
the man in the street. If he claimed to be an atheist on the balance of
probability, that would be one thing, but he insists on speaking ex
cathedra.
I'm not too familiar about is religious writing and tend to read what he
writes about neo-darwinism. I suspect my views on religion are much like
his though.
Jochen
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Try:
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for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| Title: Re: Creation |
10 Apr 2005 08:16:27 AM |
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westprog wrote:
"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d5918177bjl@argonet.co.uk...
In article <_pY5e.51250$Z14.39787@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've just as much of a problem with the Richard Dawkins of
science, who
think that they have some particular metaphysical insight due to
their
scientific knowlege. Scientists should remember that they are
still
looking for pretty pebbles, while the whole ocean surrounds them.
Mind you, Dawkins has a very sharp brain and has produced some
admirable
and convincing reasoning. I agree that scientist are looking for
pebbles,
but generally speaking, they recognize a pebble sooner than the
rest of
the species.
Dawkins is good at pebble recognition, but he's convinced himself
that as a
scientist, he is more competent to pronounce on metaphysics than the
man in
the street. If he claimed to be an atheist on the balance of
probability,
that would be one thing, but he insists on speaking ex cathedra.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
Every year we have a deadly reminder of natural selection at work. An
influenza virus, frequently of avian origin sweeps across the Earth
from the Far East while medical researchers work frantically to produce
a vaccine.
The EU fisheries population is causing natural selection to produce
smaller varieties of cod. Because on the restrictions on net size only
larger species are caught. So the cod family evolves towards smaller
size fishes.
Unless the EU comes up with an answer, large varieties of cod will
vanish.
I can recall buying tinned pilchards about twenty years ago. Now, I can
only get sardines. Is this also natural selection?
Marine zoologists please explain. Silly creationists get lost or go to
Disney sites.
B C.
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
10 Apr 2005 08:29:52 AM |
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In article <1113138987.734499.51180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<bernard_connor@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Every year we have a deadly reminder of natural selection at work. An
influenza virus, frequently of avian origin sweeps across the Earth
from the Far East while medical researchers work frantically to produce
a vaccine.
As far as I know nearly every deadly viral disease was originally
contracted from domesticated animals. This is why the American populations
were so decimated - their largest domestic animal was the Llama and they
never acquired resistance to the diseases of the rest of the planet.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:56:38 AM |
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In article <gxT5e.51233$Z14.39860@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised,
which enabled worlds and life to come into existence. It's still a
subject worthy of consideration.
To my way of thinking this only moves the argument. If a god created the
universe, fair and good. Who created the god then? And the god that
created the god who created the universe and so forth.
The argument is really between Pastor
Dave and the atheist scientists, who insist that it is impossible to
believe in evolution and to be a Christian - something that I suspect
many contributors to this thread would go along with - and those who
believe that there is no necessary contradiction.
I would say that it is impossible to be a scientist and be a
fundamentalist christian at the same time. The rest of christianity is
like humanity - wonderfully flexible and willing to believe in all sort of
contradictions without getting too upset about it.
How many christians know much about science or indeed christianity anyway?
A considerable percentage of the English population doesn't know where
Easter came from, according to a Polly Toynbe article in the Guardian.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| User: "westprog" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
09 Apr 2005 05:05:11 PM |
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"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d58f789afjl@argonet.co.uk...
....
The argument is really between Pastor
Dave and the atheist scientists, who insist that it is impossible to
believe in evolution and to be a Christian - something that I suspect
many contributors to this thread would go along with - and those who
believe that there is no necessary contradiction.
I would say that it is impossible to be a scientist and be a
fundamentalist christian at the same time.
I would say that it is impossible to be a fundamentalist and a christian at
the same time.
....
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:45:40 PM |
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In article <LjY5e.51247$Z14.39830@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jochen Lueg" <jl@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d58f789afjl@argonet.co.uk... ...
The argument is really between Pastor Dave and the atheist
scientists, who insist that it is impossible to believe in evolution
and to be a Christian - something that I suspect many contributors
to this thread would go along with - and those who believe that
there is no necessary contradiction.
I would say that it is impossible to be a scientist and be a
fundamentalist christian at the same time.
I would say that it is impossible to be a fundamentalist and a christian
at the same time.
I have to take your word for that, but I suspect that you are quite close
to the truth.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:05:01 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:56:38 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, Jochen Lueg <jl@argonet.co.uk> said:
In article <gxT5e.51233$Z14.39860@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised,
which enabled worlds and life to come into existence. It's still a
subject worthy of consideration.
To my way of thinking this only moves the argument. If a god created the
universe, fair and good. Who created the god then? And the god that
created the god who created the universe and so forth.
You are trying to bind a supernatural being with
natural laws. The better question is, how does life
come from non-life, all by itself. I.e., examine what
you believe, regardless of what the alternatives are.
That is an honest approach.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:45:57 AM |
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A quote from a typical atheistic liar. Anyone guess who it was?
"It is indeed remarkable that this theory [Evolution] has been progressively
accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields
of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results
of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument
in favour of this theory."
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:49:15 PM |
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In article <5akg51t9eoptj16460ga0oo8gpc1fpoc07@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
To my way of thinking this only moves the argument. If a god created the
universe, fair and good. Who created the god then? And the god that
created the god who created the universe and so forth.
You are trying to bind a supernatural being with
natural laws. The better question is, how does life
come from non-life, all by itself. I.e., examine what
you believe, regardless of what the alternatives are.
That is an honest approach.
Honesty has nothing to do with it. You are not honest so why do you expect
it from others?
Simple logic will do. There is life now, there hasn't always been life
hence - at one point or another - life must have come from non-life.
It is really very simple. How it came about - now that is a difficult
problem.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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10 Apr 2005 09:03:29 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:49:15 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, Jochen Lueg <jl@argonet.co.uk> said:
In article <5akg51t9eoptj16460ga0oo8gpc1fpoc07@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
To my way of thinking this only moves the argument. If a god created the
universe, fair and good. Who created the god then? And the god that
created the god who created the universe and so forth.
You are trying to bind a supernatural being with
natural laws. The better question is, how does life
come from non-life, all by itself. I.e., examine what
you believe, regardless of what the alternatives are.
That is an honest approach.
Honesty has nothing to do with it.
Well, that's the problem with you, son.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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10 Apr 2005 02:46:24 PM |
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In article <mgci51leor6nnlofiodc2p1ljdfi27l04a@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
You are trying to bind a supernatural being with
natural laws. The better question is, how does life
come from non-life, all by itself.
Well, it doesn't take a god:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-11-13-new-life-usat_x.htm
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| User: "Virgil" |
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09 Apr 2005 08:49:35 PM |
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In article <5akg51t9eoptj16460ga0oo8gpc1fpoc07@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:56:38 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, Jochen Lueg <jl@argonet.co.uk> said:
In article <gxT5e.51233$Z14.39860@news.indigo.ie>, westprog
<westprog@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised,
which enabled worlds and life to come into existence. It's still a
subject worthy of consideration.
To my way of thinking this only moves the argument. If a god created the
universe, fair and good. Who created the god then? And the god that
created the god who created the universe and so forth.
You are trying to bind a supernatural being with
natural laws. The better question is, how does life
come from non-life, all by itself. I.e., examine what
you believe, regardless of what the alternatives are.
That is an honest approach.
Would your God arrange the nature of His universe so that life came into
existence naturally or would He be so slipshod that He would have to
"rarr back and pass a special miracle" to get it to happen?
Pastor Dave and company seem to be simultaneously overrating and
underrating their God instead of trusting Him.
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| User: "westprog" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:41:10 AM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-EC1791.19493509042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <5akg51t9eoptj16460ga0oo8gpc1fpoc07@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
....
Would your God arrange the nature of His universe so that life came into
existence naturally or would He be so slipshod that He would have to
"rarr back and pass a special miracle" to get it to happen?
Pastor Dave and company seem to be simultaneously overrating and
underrating their God instead of trusting Him.
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash. They have
a list of things that are impossible for him to do. He can't create a
universe and let it fullfil his wishes - he has to keep tinkering with it as
it goes along. He can't come up with a universe as big or as complex as a
human being can concoct.
There's a case for theism and for atheism, but there's no appeal in this
petty divinity who's only there for the agrandisement of small people.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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10 Apr 2005 09:05:12 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:41:10 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, "westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> said:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-EC1791.19493509042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <5akg51t9eoptj16460ga0oo8gpc1fpoc07@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
...
Would your God arrange the nature of His universe so that life came into
existence naturally or would He be so slipshod that He would have to
"rarr back and pass a special miracle" to get it to happen?
Pastor Dave and company seem to be simultaneously overrating and
underrating their God instead of trusting Him.
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash.
And now the mocking continues.
They have
a list of things that are impossible for him to do. He can't create a
universe and let it fullfil his wishes - he has to keep tinkering with it as
it goes along. He can't come up with a universe as big or as complex as a
human being can concoct.
My God didn't need to wait and hope for the best. He
created it. And your belief still does not explain
life from non-life.
There's a case for theism and for atheism, but there's no appeal in this
petty divinity who's only there for the agrandisement of small people.
Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
\
"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:26:34 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hhci51dvefpmqt54ahtkgjdf0hjrehktg0@4ax.com...
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Would your God arrange the nature of His universe so that life came
into
existence naturally or would He be so slipshod that He would have to
"rarr back and pass a special miracle" to get it to happen?
Pastor Dave and company seem to be simultaneously overrating and
underrating their God instead of trusting Him.
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash.
And now the mocking continues.
I'm very serious about it. The atheist objects to creationism in a mild
way, because he regards all religious sentiment as being
They have
a list of things that are impossible for him to do. He can't create a
universe and let it fullfil his wishes - he has to keep tinkering with it
as
it goes along. He can't come up with a universe as big or as complex as a
human being can concoct.
My God didn't need to wait and hope for the best. He
created it. And your belief still does not explain
life from non-life.
A big God doesn't wait and hope. He knows. A little god has to peek and
tinker.
There's a case for theism and for atheism, but there's no appeal in this
petty divinity who's only there for the agrandisement of small people.
Goodbye.
If only PD meant it.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
10 Apr 2005 02:47:57 PM |
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In article <hhci51dvefpmqt54ahtkgjdf0hjrehktg0@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
And your belief still does not explain
life from non-life.
It dosn't take a god:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-11-13-new-life-usat_x.htm
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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10 Apr 2005 02:54:31 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:hhci51dvefpmqt54ahtkgjdf0hjrehktg0@4ax.com:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:41:10 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, "westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> said:
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash.
And now the mocking continues.
You don't seriously expect anything else for your childish beliefs, do you?
--
DWA should be a felony.
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| User: "westprog" |
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10 Apr 2005 04:53:41 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963482FDF9187retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:hhci51dvefpmqt54ahtkgjdf0hjrehktg0@4ax.com:
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash.
And now the mocking continues.
You don't seriously expect anything else for your childish beliefs, do
you?
It's his religious beliefs I'm antagonised by. The science is just silly.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "georgann" |
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11 Apr 2005 06:19:28 PM |
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westprog wrote:
Creationists seem to have little respect for their God-on-a-leash. They have
a list of things that are impossible for him to do. He can't create a
universe and let it fullfil his wishes - he has to keep tinkering with it as
it goes along. He can't come up with a universe as big or as complex as a
human being can concoct.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I'm a creationist and that's not true. And yes He can.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:03:35 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:20:53 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, "westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> said:
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which enabled
worlds and life to come into existence.
Life does not come from non-life, all by itself.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:07:43 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a8kg51hmre1besog6hk47fa983010qufnt@4ax.com...
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:20:53 +0100, while wishing I
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which
enabled
worlds and life to come into existence.
Life does not come from non-life, all by itself.
There is no evidence one way or the other - but I would be wary of limiting
the power and providence of an all-powerful deity in that manner. The God
who can raise sons of Abraham from the stones beneath our feet can create
life from non-life in any way he wishes.
Evolution does not, naturally, deal with the origin of life. It's the origin
of species which concerns it.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:19:17 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:07:43 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, "westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> said:
"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a8kg51hmre1besog6hk47fa983010qufnt@4ax.com...
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:20:53 +0100, while wishing I
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which
enabled
worlds and life to come into existence.
Life does not come from non-life, all by itself.
There is no evidence one way or the other
Yes, there is. It is well known in science. But the
contradiction never bothers you people.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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09 Apr 2005 08:44:26 PM |
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In article <o5lg51hfa6046ghptldd5jb7kqssn3tl8s@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:07:43 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, "westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> said:
"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:a8kg51hmre1besog6hk47fa983010qufnt@4ax.com...
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:20:53 +0100, while wishing I
It is very unlikely that Pastor Dave is going to acknowlege that God
created
a universe running purely on the natural laws that He devised, which
enabled
worlds and life to come into existence.
Life does not come from non-life, all by itself.
There is no evidence one way or the other
Yes, there is. It is well known in science.
It may be "well known" by those hypocrits who try to pass off Cretinism
and IDiocy as science, but not to any actual scientistsas scientists.
But the contradiction never bothers you people.
Life has come from non-life.
Those who believe that God did it can either believe that God arranged
nature so that it would happen naturally or that God "rarred back and
passed a miracle".
Those Christians or other theists who are actually scientists, to the
extent that they are scientists, credit their God with arranging nature
so that life would come into being naturally.
No one can tell from one day to the next what the fundies will say they
believe.
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| User: "Jochen Lueg" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:54:39 PM |
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In article <o5lg51hfa6046ghptldd5jb7kqssn3tl8s@4ax.com>,
Life does not come from non-life, all by itself.
There is no evidence one way or the other
Yes, there is. It is well known in science. But the
contradiction never bothers you people.
This is non-sense. Why do you make statements without any proof at all?
It is a well known fact that round stones are square. It is well known to
science. But the contradiction never bothers you.
Jochen
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Try:
http://www.binevenagh.com
for some local history, photographs and laughs.
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