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"Dr Tam" |
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04 Apr 2005 10:02:18 PM |
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Creation |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4408187.stm
A European team claims to have obtained the first direct image of a planet
beyond our own Solar System.
The "extrasolar planet" is said to orbit a star called GQ Lup - thought to
be like a young version of our Sun.
Similar claims have been made in the past, but sceptical scientists believe
the pictures merely show objects that share the same view in the sky.
The GQ Lup object is far more certain claims Ralph Neuhaeuser's team in the
journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.
GQ Lup and its companion are located in a star-forming region about 400
light-years away.
Dr Tam
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| User: "Post Colonial Boy" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
09 Apr 2005 04:00:13 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:28:57 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:11:30 +1200, while wishing I
would go away, Post Colonial Boy <mimir@iconz.co.nz>
said:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:25:34 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:49:34 +1200, while wishing I
would go away, Post Colonial Boy <mimir@iconz.co.nz>
said:
Make your mind up. Either Noah DID discover New Zealand in order to
save all the native flora and fauna that does not naturally exist
elsewhere on the planet or he didn't and also the "world wide flood 15
cubits above the tallest of the world's mountains" didn't happen.
Make up MY mind? I'm NOT the one who mentioned New
Zealand. You deal with your own issues.
Duh...its very much an issue for you. If you're a Biblical literalist
No, it isn't. You responded to a very simple and
factual statement that no one has ever seen a star
being born, by talking about the Bible. Therefore, you
deal with your own issues. It doesn't matter what I
am. It only matters as to whether or not anyone has
ever seen a star being born. No one has.
Regardless of the issues pertaining to my assertions re: Stars being
born...your going on about it is only you seeking to avoid answering a
hard question.
Either Noah DID discover New Zealand in order to
save all the native flora and fauna that does not naturally exist
elsewhere on the planet or he didn't and also the "world wide flood 15
cubits above the tallest of the world's mountains" didn't happen.
Your dishonesty is apparent to all.
No its not. I'm not focussing on the star birth question for now
because its not crucial to my position. I'm quite happy to discuss it
but I'm after rather more fruitful ground, for me at least, and that
being the fact that there is a very serious issue for anyone who holds
that the Bible is literally true and that is:
Either Noah DID discover New Zealand in order to
save all the native flora and fauna that does not naturally exist
elsewhere on the planet or he didn't and also the "world wide flood 15
cubits above the tallest of the world's mountains" didn't happen.
You accuse me of trying to avoid the question.
Well do on, answer it...did Noah discover New Zealand in order to
save all the native flora and fauna that does not naturally exist
elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
The fact is, you asked
the question in an attempt to avoid admitting that my
simple statement is accurate.
I'm not avoiding anything. I'm actually quite interested in this very
topic, now that you raise it but I'm even more interested in hearing
your answer to the question did Noah discover New Zealand in order to
save all the native flora and fauna that does not naturally exist
elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
I understand that there are astronomical images, that have been taken
within our lifetimes, that show areas of space, at one time, with no
star apparent and then at a later date there is a star in that region
where there was not before...
As the theory currently stands, putting it simply, out in interstellar
space there are clouds of gas, predominantly hydrogen, floating
around. Gravitational forces of attraction between the particles of
gas cause the gas to form into clumps which in turn, preferentially
attract more particles of gas until, eventually, the particles are
squeezed together to such an extent that a 'fusion' reaction takes
place and a star is formed...as I understand it you're asking if there
is any recorded evidence of this stellar ignition actually taking
place. Is that what you're asking for?
If so, I will go looking for it.
PCB
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| User: "Post Colonial Boy" |
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| Title: A question for Pastor Dave |
11 Apr 2005 04:32:25 PM |
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Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
PCB
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 12:56:06 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> wrote:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
I want to know. What's your answer Dave?
Ned
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
11 Apr 2005 05:09:16 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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11 Apr 2005 07:42:39 PM |
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In article <jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Was it about yesterday's weather?
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
12 Apr 2005 05:15:56 PM |
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In article <jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I see hands! Waving!
-Frank
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fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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11 Apr 2005 07:04:30 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Nice weasel.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Post Colonial Boy" |
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11 Apr 2005 11:48:22 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
PCB
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
12 Apr 2005 09:46:28 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:48:22 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
and apologize for your dishonesty. Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
\
"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
12 Apr 2005 04:56:26 PM |
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In article <dlnn51t4cu0ic5d55s5f9q8pkgr3re7qcu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
and apologize for your dishonesty. Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
While it is true that no one has seen a star being born, all of humanity
not having lived anywhere nearly long enough, it is not known to be true
that life cannot come from non-living matter, so that IDiot Dave owes at
least as much of an apology for his own dishonesty.
One wonders how he gets along with his dishonest self? By being
hypocritical?
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| User: "Post Colonial Boy" |
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12 Apr 2005 02:19:52 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:28 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:48:22 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
Here tis, the proof you've been waiting for re: Star Birth
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/44/
and apologize for your dishonesty.
Where have I been dishonest. I will not apologise for something I
haven't done.
Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
You've made the claim that I've been dishonest, back it up or else its
*you* thats the dishonest one.
Remember, "Thou shalt not give false witness".
PCB
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:35:52 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:19:52 +1200, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:28 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:48:22 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
Here tis, the proof you've been waiting for re: Star Birth
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/44/
and apologize for your dishonesty.
Where have I been dishonest. I will not apologise for something I
haven't done.
Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
You've made the claim that I've been dishonest, back it up or else its
*you* thats the dishonest one.
Remember, "Thou shalt not give false witness".
PCB
PCB,
Nice picture but not a picture of the birth of a star. Now if you can
come up with a picture of Nicole Kidman being born, you would have a
believable picture.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Post Colonial Boy" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 12:40:22 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:35:52 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:19:52 +1200, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:28 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:48:22 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:09:16 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
I'm not particularly upset. By the way did Noah discover New Zealand
in order to save all the native flora and fauna that does not
naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or didn't he?
Answer the question.
First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
Here tis, the proof you've been waiting for re: Star Birth
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1995/44/
and apologize for your dishonesty.
Where have I been dishonest. I will not apologise for something I
haven't done.
Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
You've made the claim that I've been dishonest, back it up or else its
*you* thats the dishonest one.
Remember, "Thou shalt not give false witness".
PCB
PCB,
Nice picture but not a picture of the birth of a star. Now if you can
come up with a picture of Nicole Kidman being born, you would have a
believable picture.
Hahaha...lovely girl that she is.
PCB
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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12 Apr 2005 07:02:37 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:28 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
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First, admit that I made true, scientific statements
("no one has ever seen a star being born" and "life
does not come from non-living matter, all by itself")
and apologize for your dishonesty. Until then, we have
nothing to discuss, as I don't waste my time with
dishonest people.
Good one, Dave. The Master of Weasel speaks!
First agree with me, 'then', we can talk.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:00:55 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:42:28 PM |
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On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Azrael" |
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13 Apr 2005 04:25:55 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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13 Apr 2005 06:13:50 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, Azrael <god@my.computer.palace.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Azrael,
No need to be caerful. God invented the processes and told us about
them seveal thousand years ago.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 07:08:40 AM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
news:alvp51djr8rgf4ena96ujileqcm5me5qqi@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, Azrael <god@my.computer.palace.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Azrael,
No need to be caerful. God invented the processes and told us about
them seveal thousand years ago.
Uh huh. Where in the bible does it explain evolution?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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13 Apr 2005 03:54:54 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:08:40 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
news:alvp51djr8rgf4ena96ujileqcm5me5qqi@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, Azrael <god@my.computer.palace.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Azrael,
No need to be caerful. God invented the processes and told us about
them seveal thousand years ago.
Uh huh. Where in the bible does it explain evolution?
I did not say evolution. The Bible does not use the word evolution.
I said God invented the processes and told man about them several
thousand years ago.
Genesis is a good place to start.
I cover some of it on my website
http://www.biblebob.net/Genesis/toc1.htm
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Azrael" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 04:23:08 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:13:50 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, Azrael <god@my.computer.palace.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
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Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Azrael,
No need to be caerful. God invented the processes and told us about
them seveal thousand years ago.
BB
Please tell me were to find that information, and while your at it
could you point it out to a few xians that I see on tv stateing the
opposite, that evolution is false?
I myself have never seen it written in the biblical texts(encompasing
judeo-xian holy books). I may not have gotten to it yet though.
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13 Apr 2005 05:37:33 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, while Pastor Dave was
preaching from the housetops, Azrael
<god@my.computer.palace.com> spake thusly:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Microevolution is not macroevolution, regardless of how
hard liars like you try to claim it's the same thing.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:03:22 PM |
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In article <ko7r51dovbgj18l9kk6nii31ts9fu8n3q1@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Microevolution is not macroevolution, regardless of how
hard liars like you try to claim it's the same thing.
They are different only in scale.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:07:10 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:25:55 GMT, while Pastor Dave was
preaching from the housetops, Azrael
<god@my.computer.palace.com> spake thusly:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
<__________Snipped___________________>
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
BB
Carefull BB that staement borders on evolution, things change from
the
dominate traits in the genes from generation to generation.
Microevolution is not macroevolution, regardless of how
hard liars like you try to claim it's the same thing.
Please explain the difference.
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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13 Apr 2005 12:57:20 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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13 Apr 2005 06:15:22 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Ned,
Don't know.
Incest wasn't wrong till it became wrong.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 06:31:15 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:15:22 GMT in alt.atheism, Bible Bob (Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Ned,
Don't know.
Incest wasn't wrong till it became wrong.
Oh dear.
Do you understand the implications of what you've just said?
Best Regards,
Therion "Euthyphro" Ware.
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 02:37:06 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:15:22 GMT in alt.atheism, Bible Bob (Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Ned,
Don't know.
Incest wasn't wrong till it became wrong.
Oh dear.
Do you understand the implications of what you've just said?
Best Regards,
Therion "Euthyphro" Ware.
The implications being that Gods laws are "morally right" because "God
says so". That sounds rather arbitrary...and less than perfect.
Ned
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
13 Apr 2005 03:58:28 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:37:06 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:15:22 GMT in alt.atheism, Bible Bob (Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Ned,
Don't know.
Incest wasn't wrong till it became wrong.
Oh dear.
Do you understand the implications of what you've just said?
Best Regards,
Therion "Euthyphro" Ware.
The implications being that Gods laws are "morally right" because "God
says so". That sounds rather arbitrary...and less than perfect.
Ned
Not if you understand it
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: A question for Pastor Dave |
14 Apr 2005 02:21:26 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:58:28 GMT in alt.atheism, Bible Bob (Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:37:06 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:15 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:15:22 GMT in alt.atheism, Bible Bob (Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:42:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2005 14:00:55 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<jbtl51tft9pptkadhdn2c5lu678m88tk0i@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:32:25 +1200, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, Post Colonial Boy
<mimir@iconz.co.nz> spake thusly:
Did Noah discover New Zealand in order to save all the native flora
and fauna that does not naturally exist elsewhere on the planet or
didn't he?
Enquiring hearts and minds want to know.
Are you upset because you couldn't bring yourself to
admit that I made a true, scientific statement?
Explain how adam and eve were able to produce africans and chinese...you dumb dumb.
Pastor Dave Raymond
Kenny
Kenny,
Adam (Str. 120) and adamah (Str. 127) are from adam (Str. 119) and
means ruddy, or red. As the saying goes birds of a feather flock
together so that using Mendalls Law it would not be hard to come up
with different colors in a few generations.
How many generations?
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Ned,
Don't know.
Incest wasn't wrong till it became wrong.
Oh dear.
Do you understand the implications of what you've just said?
Best Regards,
Therion "Euthyphro" Ware.
The implications being that Gods laws are "morally right" because "God
says so". That sounds rather arbitrary...and less than perfect.
Ned
Not if you understand it
Then please explain.
As far as I see it, there are two main problems with your position, at
least as outlined above:
What you appear to be suggesting is that right and wrong are simply
what God says they are, *and* that what God says is (in this instance
regarding incest) determined by circumstance.
Circumstances change. Are you really suggesting that God is a moral
relativist?
Further, if what's good is simply what God says it is and God can
change His mind if the circumstances change, then what if one day God
turns around and says "genocide is good"?
Would genocide then, in your opinion be a morally good course of
action?
So, I'd be obliged if you'd explain.
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