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"Dr Tam" |
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04 Apr 2005 10:02:18 PM |
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Creation |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4408187.stm
A European team claims to have obtained the first direct image of a planet
beyond our own Solar System.
The "extrasolar planet" is said to orbit a star called GQ Lup - thought to
be like a young version of our Sun.
Similar claims have been made in the past, but sceptical scientists believe
the pictures merely show objects that share the same view in the sky.
The GQ Lup object is far more certain claims Ralph Neuhaeuser's team in the
journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.
GQ Lup and its companion are located in a star-forming region about 400
light-years away.
Dr Tam
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
15 Apr 2005 10:55:07 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:36:17 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
Well said Bible Bob.
Adam and Eve was in purfect health and there were no laws regarding
incest at the time.
Bible Studier
Thanks
Hope the last para didn't throw you off. It was a joke.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
16 Apr 2005 12:02:45 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:36:17 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
Well said Bible Bob.
Adam and Eve was in purfect health and there were no laws regarding
incest at the time.
Tell us all "Bible Studier", are God's moral laws e.g. the ten
commandments, morally right because God says so or are they right
independant of his moral bent and he is merely pointing them out to
us?
Ned
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| User: "Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
17 Apr 2005 01:51:12 AM |
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Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:36:17 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
Well said Bible Bob.
Adam and Eve was in purfect health and there were no laws regarding
incest at the time.
Tell us all "Bible Studier", are God's moral laws e.g. the ten
commandments, morally right because God says so or are they right
independant of his moral bent and he is merely pointing them out to
us?
Ned
Don't forget that the ten commandments came later when there was much
corruption men and woman. It was a guild on how to live without
corruption. The wise choose to obey the 10 commandments and help
others to understand it.
Bible Studier
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
16 Apr 2005 12:01:26 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Apr 2005 10:22:34 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth. You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
17 Apr 2005 01:37:22 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:22:34 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
I'm not capitulating. I'm suggesting that *you* are.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
You're flagrantly missing the point and you accuse me of 'giving
crap'?
I'll phrase it more directly, for your consumption then:
Are God's laws morally right because he says so or are the morally
right anyway and he is pointing them out to us?
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth.
Incest.
You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
The third generation, i.e. Adam & Eve's grandchildren were all
produced by incest...
Ned
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| User: "Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
17 Apr 2005 07:37:05 PM |
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Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:22:34 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
I'm not capitulating. I'm suggesting that *you* are.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
You're flagrantly missing the point and you accuse me of 'giving
crap'?
I'll phrase it more directly, for your consumption then:
Are God's laws morally right because he says so or are the morally
right anyway and he is pointing them out to us?
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth.
Incest.
You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
The third generation, i.e. Adam & Eve's grandchildren were all
produced by incest...
Ned
Like I said before. There is nothing in the bible that says that Adam
and Eve were the only people that God created. It indicates that they
were the first people that God created.
Condering that people exist in different countries before boats were
invented, they must have gotten there some how.
Bible Studier
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| User: "Ned Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
17 Apr 2005 08:22:54 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:37:05 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:22:34 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
I'm not capitulating. I'm suggesting that *you* are.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
You're flagrantly missing the point and you accuse me of 'giving
crap'?
I'll phrase it more directly, for your consumption then:
Are God's laws morally right because he says so or are the morally
right anyway and he is pointing them out to us?
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth.
Incest.
You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
The third generation, i.e. Adam & Eve's grandchildren were all
produced by incest...
Ned
Like I said before. There is nothing in the bible that says that Adam
and Eve were the only people that God created. It indicates that they
were the first people that God created.
Ahhh....I see...so we're not all descended from Adam and Eve then?
Condering that people exist in different countries before boats were
invented, they must have gotten there some how.
Interestingly the Bible does not detail this apart from land areas
that we know to be closeby i.e. they walked.
Ned
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Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:37:05 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:22:34 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
I'm not capitulating. I'm suggesting that *you* are.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
You're flagrantly missing the point and you accuse me of 'giving
crap'?
I'll phrase it more directly, for your consumption then:
Are God's laws morally right because he says so or are the morally
right anyway and he is pointing them out to us?
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth.
Incest.
You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
The third generation, i.e. Adam & Eve's grandchildren were all
produced by incest...
Ned
Like I said before. There is nothing in the bible that says that Adam
and Eve were the only people that God created. It indicates that they
were the first people that God created.
Ahhh....I see...so we're not all descended from Adam and Eve then?
Condering that people exist in different countries before boats were
invented, they must have gotten there some how.
Interestingly the Bible does not detail this apart from land areas
that we know to be closeby i.e. they walked.
Ned
Also it's interesting that at the time the bible was written mankind
belived the world to be flat. Also many would not know of other lands
beyond the sea. God never revealed this information.
Bible Studier
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22 Apr 2005 05:40:07 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:29:11 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:37:05 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ned Kelly <republican@email.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:22:34 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:01:26 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:17:43 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
Who came first Henry Ford or the Ford?
Incest came to be when it came to be. It wasn't incest when it wasn't
incest but became incest when it became incest.
Intercourse for the sake of making babies was not incest. Incest is
from the Latin incestus - sexual impurity, a word that came into
existence a long time after Adam and Eve. What Adam and Eve and their
offspring had was not sexual impurity (so long as it was done God's
way). By the time of Noah, sexual impurity came to be and problems
began to arise. By the time of Moses, it became necessary for God to
modify the rules of life so that man wouldn't mess things up anymore
than they already had. But, God's commandments were to Israel and did
not affect the Gentiles who continued to do their thing.
Today it is forbidden by law. Not for the reason everybody thinks;
but because it is a government conspiracy to limit the number of
skeptics, agnostics, atheists and liberals. I hear that Sheila
Jackson Lee (TX) Major Owens (NY) and John Lewis (GA) are so
concerned that they plan a bill that will bar skeptics, agnostics,
liberals, and atheists from marrying. Personally, I think they are
going a little bit overboard; but that may be because they are known
for their overboard and out of this world comments.
I take this as capitulation. Thanks.
Ned
Ned,
No need to capitulate. You don't have to admit wrong to me.
I'm not capitulating. I'm suggesting that *you* are.
However, let me clue you in about something. I do not debate or argue
the word. People ask me honest questions they get honest answers.
People that become dishonest or smart assed are treated to satire or
hyperbole. As far as I know, God does not tell me to kiss anyones *****
or to bow down and worship the words and opinions of others. I
suspect that some people think that Christians are supposed to be
effiminate little punks, but people are wrong about a lot of things
especially when it comes to spiritual matters. JC didn't take crap
off fools, neither do I.
You're flagrantly missing the point and you accuse me of 'giving
crap'?
I'll phrase it more directly, for your consumption then:
Are God's laws morally right because he says so or are the morally
right anyway and he is pointing them out to us?
In the event that your question was serious and I misunderstood what
you were communicating, then you have my apologies. I am not sure
what you mean by third generation of humans - whether that refers to
some doctrine that I do not know about or three forty year periods of
time. Biblically a generation is 40 years. In Genesis 6:3 it does
speak about a 120 year period but the word "man" in that verse is
"adam". Genesis is divided into twelve section consisting of an
introduction and eleven generations. Genesis 6:3 is in the Generation
of Adam section. Normally, lineage is counted from the first son but
Cain killed Abel so Seth is mentioned in Gen 5:3 and was born when
Adam was 130 years old. The next verse says that Adam produced sons
and daughters. Who did Cain marry? He married one of his sisters or
one of the offspring of Abel or Seth.
Incest.
You have to take into account
that a lot of time passes in Genesis 3-6 and that the veses are not
necessarily a chronological listing of events. Gen 2:4-Gen 4:26 are
in the generations of the heavens and the earth section while Gen
5:1-6:8 are in the generations of Adam section so that some of what is
in the second section occurs in the first. Adam lived to be 930 years
old which is sufficient time to generate a lot of babies. Assuming
that couples married between 14-30 a lot of babies could be produced.
I read somewhere, but don't have access to it now, where someone had
worked out how many people could be produced in 930 years, it was in
the millions.
The whole point is that people try to use today's science to figure
out what happened then and as far as I know it can not be done. Adam
and Eve's DNA would have been perfect and dominant and it took time
for DNA to become effected to the point where it would produce problem
offspring. How long I do not know. However, I did work the preflood
material in some detail quite a few years ago and it should not be too
hard to go back and work it again. I think I will do that and when I
do I will publish it on my web site. It may take a few months or even
years because Biblical research is not a fast paced. If I can find my
notes and some of the tiem line charts I made, things should go faily
quickly.
The third generation, i.e. Adam & Eve's grandchildren were all
produced by incest...
Ned
Like I said before. There is nothing in the bible that says that Adam
and Eve were the only people that God created. It indicates that they
were the first people that God created.
Ahhh....I see...so we're not all descended from Adam and Eve then?
Condering that people exist in different countries before boats were
invented, they must have gotten there some how.
Interestingly the Bible does not detail this apart from land areas
that we know to be closeby i.e. they walked.
Ned
Also it's interesting that at the time the bible was written mankind
belived the world to be flat.
Did that make it so?
Also many would not know of other lands
beyond the sea. God never revealed this information.
Precisely...assuming that the Bible is the inspired word of God it
seems reasonable to me that "God" would phrase it in a
language/words/concepts that were easily understandable to the people
of the time...
Plainly the people of the time and place didn't have, commonly, a
concept of the world being roughly spherical..."God" in his/her wisdom
knew/knows that.
PCB
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Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
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"Ninth Commandment" <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote in message
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Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
It was either that or bestiality.
Which would you have preferred?
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:39:56 GMT, "Madra Dubh"
<ccaine@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"Ninth Commandment" <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote in message
news:0q7u519fpsin8gu3k6il4ad066n90m8an3@4ax.com...
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
It was either that or bestiality.
Which would you have preferred?
When I think back to some of the grunters I woke up beside during my
drunken youth, there probably wasn't that much difference.
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"Custos Custodum" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:39:56 GMT, "Madra Dubh"
<ccaine@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"Ninth Commandment" <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote in message
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Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
It was either that or bestiality.
Which would you have preferred?
When I think back to some of the grunters I woke up beside during my
drunken youth, there probably wasn't that much difference.
Oh dear Lord, don't remind me!
Of course I was no beauty myself after a night of hard drinking.
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15 Apr 2005 07:59:21 AM |
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Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Bible Studier
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15 Apr 2005 08:07:46 AM |
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"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate with?
Each other?
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Resident Witchypoo
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15 Apr 2005 08:47:58 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hev515vjc3faoa1oo1rgq2b4m45mku0pl@4ax.com...
Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Bible Studier
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"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hev515vjc3faoa1oo1rgq2b4m45mku0pl@4ax.com...
Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate
with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
How convenient.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Like the ones that show Jesus as a child killing a playmate.
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Resident Witchypoo
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:47:58 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hev515vjc3faoa1oo1rgq2b4m45mku0pl@4ax.com...
Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid,
So there were other humans around at the same time as Adam and Eve
then?
on the east of Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
Why not?
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Why not? Isn't it the "Word of God"? How can the word of a perfect
being be incomplete if it is truly the word of an perfect being?
That would be...less than perfect...
Ned
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15 Apr 2005 09:53:44 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:47:58 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hev515vjc3faoa1oo1rgq2b4m45mku0pl@4ax.com...
Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Bible Studier
You forgot Seth and Adam's other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:3-5 KJV
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in
his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty
years: and he died.
The command in Genesis 1:28 was to be fruitful and multiply:
Genesis 1:28 KJV
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There was no biological reason that Adam and Eve (who was built from
Adam) could not mate and there was no biological reason that their
children could obey the commandment.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
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"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:47:58 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate
with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Bible Studier
You forgot Seth and Adam's other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:3-5 KJV
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in
his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty
years: and he died.
The command in Genesis 1:28 was to be fruitful and multiply:
Genesis 1:28 KJV
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There was no biological reason that Adam and Eve (who was built from
Adam) could not mate and there was no biological reason that their
children could obey the commandment.
Of course not. Except that the result of mating between blood relatives is
often mental retardation and a wide variety of birth defects.
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Resident Witchypoo
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
15 Apr 2005 09:28:12 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:47:58 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate
with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Bible Studier
You forgot Seth and Adam's other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:3-5 KJV
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in
his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty
years: and he died.
The command in Genesis 1:28 was to be fruitful and multiply:
Genesis 1:28 KJV
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There was no biological reason that Adam and Eve (who was built from
Adam) could not mate and there was no biological reason that their
children could obey the commandment.
Of course not. Except that the result of mating between blood relatives is
often mental retardation and a wide variety of birth defects.
There is nothing in the bible that says that god only created Adam and
Eve. It's possible that at the same time God created other humans in a
different part of Eden.
Also this http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm
From the The First Book of Adam and Eve
1 Then Satan, and ten from his hosts, transformed themselves into
maidens, unlike any others in the whole world for grace. 2 They came
up out of the river in presence of Adam and Eve, and they said among
themselves, "Come, we will look at the faces of Adam and Eve, who are
of the men on earth. How beautiful they are, and how different is
their look from our own faces." Then they came to Adam and Eve, and
greeted them; and stood wondering at them. 3 Adam and Eve looked at
them also, and wondered at their beauty, and said, "Is there, then,
under us, another world, with such beautiful creatures as these in
it?" 4 And those maidens said to Adam and Eve, "Yes, indeed, we are an
abundant creation." 5 Then Adam said to them, "But how do you
multiply?" 6 And they answered him, "We have husbands who have married
us, and we bear them children, who grow up, and who in their turn
marry and are married, and also bear children; and thus we increase.
And if so be, O Adam, you will not believe us, we will show you our
husbands and our children." 7 Then they shouted over the river as if
to call their husbands and their children, who came up from the river,
men and children; and every man came to his wife, his children being
with him. .
Bible Studier
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| Title: Re: Isn't incest wrong Pastor Dave? |
28 Jan 2008 09:22:36 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
news:1rkv5153laqc87fkef8ffil649bggl3lmo@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:47:58 +1200, Wonder <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Wonder" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hev515vjc3faoa1oo1rgq2b4m45mku0pl@4ax.com...
Ninth Commandment <ninthcommandment@yabbadabbadoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunatly there were lots of Elohim running around at the time.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:40 +1200, Ned Kelly <republican@email.com>
wrote:
Tell me, if Adam and Eve were the first humans then didn't the third
generation come about by incest?
Isn't that wrong according to God?
Ned
As Adam and Eve were the first humans they were not related to each
other. They did not have human parents. It was the will of god that
they mate and have children.
Yes, so says your myth. However, who did Adam and Eve's children mate
with?
Each other?
The bible states that Adam and Eve had two son's. One of the son's,
Cain had a wife who gave him a gave him a son. The bible suggests that
Cain meet his wife when he moved to the land of Noid, on the east of
Eden. As there are parts of Genesis that are missing in the bible then
where Cain's wife came from is not revealed.
There was a TV program called "banned from the bible" that made if
clear that not all past scriptures were added to the bible.
Bible Studier
You forgot Seth and Adam's other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:3-5 KJV
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in
his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred
years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty
years: and he died.
The command in Genesis 1:28 was to be fruitful and multiply:
Genesis 1:28 KJV
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There was no biological reason that Adam and Eve (who was built from
Adam) could not mate and there was no biological reason that their
children could obey the commandment.
Of course not. Except that the result of mating between blood relatives is
often mental retardation and a wide variety of birth defects.
There is nothing in the bible that says that god only created Adam and
Eve. It's possible that at the same time God created other humans in a
different part of Eden.
Also this http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm
From the The First Book of Adam and Eve
1 Then Satan, and ten from his hosts, transformed themselves into
maidens, unlike any others in the whole world for grace. 2 They came
up out of the river in presence of Adam and Eve, and they said among
themselves, "Come, we will look at the faces of Adam and Eve, who are
of the men on earth. How beautiful they are, and how different is
their look from our own faces." Then they came to Adam and Eve, and
greeted them; and stood wondering at t | | | | | | | | |
