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"Dr Tam" |
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04 Apr 2005 10:02:18 PM |
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Creation |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4408187.stm
A European team claims to have obtained the first direct image of a planet
beyond our own Solar System.
The "extrasolar planet" is said to orbit a star called GQ Lup - thought to
be like a young version of our Sun.
Similar claims have been made in the past, but sceptical scientists believe
the pictures merely show objects that share the same view in the sky.
The GQ Lup object is far more certain claims Ralph Neuhaeuser's team in the
journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.
GQ Lup and its companion are located in a star-forming region about 400
light-years away.
Dr Tam
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
14 Apr 2005 09:31:44 AM |
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Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
news:eebs51htdo29dtfdaeod42134vssqt6g1d@4ax.com:
Scríobh Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com>:
In article <eb8r515ippc87ti72chr4epb220a2lddcu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:38:29 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was pullulating from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
news:arjk511jc46k7sdfs13sbqql0d9q59526o@ 4ax.com:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
According to whom?
Depends on definitions I guess. They make more copies of themselves.
Perhaps if I restate as follows: Crystals microreproduce, but have not
been observed to macroreproduce :)
Dismal Dave's record here of scientific ignorance does not inspire
anyone to take his word for this.
Crystals precipitate from liquids and occasionaly gases. The type of
crystal produced depends on what elements are present in the mixture(and
the amounts) and pressure and temperature. Show me someone who says they
make copies of themselves.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:58:15 AM |
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Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
news:eebs51htdo29dtfdaeod42134vssqt6g1d@4ax.com:
Scríobh Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com>:
In article <eb8r515ippc87ti72chr4epb220a2lddcu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:38:29 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was pullulating from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
news:arjk511jc46k7sdfs13sbqql0d9q59526o@ 4ax.com:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
According to whom?
Depends on definitions I guess. They make more copies of themselves.
No they don't. The crystaline habit is determined by the molecular
structure of the components. They form on any protuberrance present in the
material in crysaline state. A speck of dust, a fissure in the material of
whatever containment, or on the facets of other crystals. The shape and
composition of the seed is unrelated to the shape or composition of the
crystal formed. In so called "cloning" of crystals, the crystal that forms
around the "calved" crystal fragment is determined by the composition of
the surrounding material, not the fragment. In this sense, they don't even
"grow" but are merely an accretion.
Perhaps if I restate as follows: Crystals microreproduce, but have not
been observed to macroreproduce :)
They don't even micro reproduce.
Dismal Dave's record here of scientific ignorance does not inspire
anyone to take his word for this.
How very polite of Virgil, but the original claim was made by Ger. The
good pastor just chimed in. So, Ger? Substantiate the claim or abandon
it.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
13 Apr 2005 06:40:14 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:eb8r515ippc87ti72chr4epb220a2lddcu@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:38:29 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote in
news:arjk511jc46k7sdfs13sbqql0d9q59526o@
4ax.com:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find them
reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and what
the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering hole and
pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee baby spinels
and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
14 Apr 2005 07:35:24 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find them
reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and what
the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering hole and
pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee baby spinels
and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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14 Apr 2005 08:58:39 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them
reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what
the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering hole
and
pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee baby
spinels
and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
Aren't those science sites all part of the world-wide atheist conspiracy?
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Turlough" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
14 Apr 2005 11:49:38 AM |
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westprog wrote:
Aren't those science sites all part of the world-wide atheist conspiracy?
According to talk.origin, those would be hosted by *Evilutionists,* or
the worldwide Communist - Satanist - Free-Silver - Unionist - Sadist
supersecret cabal and conspiracy to remove morals and respect for God
from human society using biological science concepts that very few
people understand anyway.
Ybloc Sirhc is the Demonic Overlord who is the dreaded earthly
coordinator of the evilutionist conspiracy. The suggestion that Ybloc
Sirhc is the secret identity of a connoisseur of fine beers and ales is
supported by numerous independent lines of evidence (including the facts
that Boston is home to both the Red Sox - - an obvious allusion to
Satanic footwear -- and the Celtics -- an ancient pagan religious group)...
Turlough
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
14 Apr 2005 12:02:04 PM |
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Turlough wrote:
westprog wrote:
Aren't those science sites all part of the world-wide atheist
conspiracy?
According to talk.origin, those would be hosted by *Evilutionists,*
or
the worldwide Communist - Satanist - Free-Silver - Unionist - Sadist
supersecret cabal and conspiracy to remove morals and respect for God
from human society using biological science concepts that very few
people understand anyway.
Ybloc Sirhc is the Demonic Overlord who is the dreaded earthly
coordinator of the evilutionist conspiracy. The suggestion that Ybloc
Sirhc is the secret identity of a connoisseur of fine beers and ales
is
supported by numerous independent lines of evidence (including the
facts
that Boston is home to both the Red Sox - - an obvious allusion to
Satanic footwear -- and the Celtics -- an ancient pagan religious
group)...
Turlough
Yes, well its understood that the devil works long-term. Boston has
always been a hot-spot for revolutionary activity and a general pain in
the ***** to legitimate authority. Its not much of a step from the kind
of blatent disrespect shown to the crown's legitimate interest in
taxation shown by throwing tea into the bay to out and out Stalinism.
That step has, apparently, been supplied in the most obvious and
plebian manner: beer and circuses. This is, of course, one step up on
the Romans. They offered only bread, as opposed to ale, and wound up
supporting that with those pacifist ideas. Hell learns from its
mistakes.
Kevin McCabe
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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14 Apr 2005 03:21:57 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you don't
know it and can't show it. In other words, you're talking shite. If you
support Ger's assertion then provide some evidence of some kind. Crystals
form when the conditions are right. They do not reproduce. It can barely
be argued that they even replicate.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
14 Apr 2005 09:59:08 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you don't
know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
15 Apr 2005 02:32:02 AM |
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In article <debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you don't
know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
Since it is IDiot Dave making the assertion that crystals reproduce, HE
is the one obligated to provide the evidence for his claim.
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| User: "T N Nurse" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:55:13 AM |
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In article <debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you don't
know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
Your claim, so the onus is on you to present the evidence. That you are
unable to do so, suggests that it is your problem.
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
15 Apr 2005 10:27:26 AM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local
watering hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to
make wee baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you
don't know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
15 Apr 2005 12:00:45 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:27:26 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local
watering hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to
make wee baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you
don't know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
Is that why you said, "I found several" to someone
else? Of course, you then tried to claim that they
didn't really mean that. <chuckle>
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
/
o{}xxxxx[]::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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15 Apr 2005 12:02:43 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:posv51lo8bdd6a6ui9rdmmuu3g3b96d9qe@4ax.com:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:27:26 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll
find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local
watering hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out
to
make wee baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you
don't know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
Is that why you said, "I found several" to someone
else? Of course, you then tried to claim that they
didn't really mean that. <chuckle>
You have not found any, Have you? Support the assertion or abandon it.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Creation |
15 Apr 2005 12:17:27 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:02:43 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:posv51lo8bdd6a6ui9rdmmuu3g3b96d9qe@4ax.com:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:27:26 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll
find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local
watering hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out
to
make wee baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you
don't know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
Is that why you said, "I found several" to someone
else? Of course, you then tried to claim that they
didn't really mean that. <chuckle>
You have not found any, Have you? Support the assertion or abandon it.
Goodbye, stupid.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:notv51lmsh7masukrhksl3iv2l43245ggs@4ax.com:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:02:43 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:posv51lo8bdd6a6ui9rdmmuu3g3b96d9qe@4ax.com:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:27:26 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:debu51thl9f79t3q9141ec120svpv5i02d@4ax.com:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:21:57 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll
find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs
and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local
watering hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out
to
make wee baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to
know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
The fact is they don't and yes, the methodology matters. Because you
don't know it and can't show it.
Right. That's why I told you to do the search. If
you're too dumb to type, "crystals reproduce" in
google, then that's your problem.
In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
Is that why you said, "I found several" to someone
else? Of course, you then tried to claim that they
didn't really mean that. <chuckle>
You have not found any, Have you? Support the assertion or abandon it.
Goodbye, stupid.
And there you have it, boys and girls. The assertion is unsupported.
Crystals do not reproduce. Evidence: resortion to ad hominem
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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15 Apr 2005 04:24:52 PM |
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"Séimí mac Liam" <gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
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In other words,you are unable to find any websites which support your
position.
Is that why you said, "I found several" to someone
else? Of course, you then tried to claim that they
didn't really mean that. <chuckle>
You have not found any, Have you? Support the assertion or abandon it.
Goodbye, stupid.
And there you have it, boys and girls. The assertion is unsupported.
Crystals do not reproduce. Evidence: resortion to ad hominem
At least he didn't try to call you a liar, which is Dave's idea of a
Christian response when he's caught out.
Since whether or not crystals reproduce has nothing to do with his main
assertions, hanging on to this one is just vanity.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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14 Apr 2005 09:27:48 AM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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14 Apr 2005 09:58:11 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:27:48 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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15 Apr 2005 06:48:19 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
And if you can't find one it proves Dave is right.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:33:51 AM |
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"westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> wrote in news:vRN7e.51568$Z14.40172
@news.indigo.ie:
"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
And if you can't find one it proves Dave is right.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
I found several. In the instance where the statement is made by ostensibly
reputable scientists, it is either used in a metaphorical sense or the
scientist in question is speaking outside his area of study and fails to
adequately understand how the process of crystal formation works.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "westprog" |
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15 Apr 2005 04:21:02 PM |
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"Séimí mac Liam" <gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:Xns9639571BD6C68Sim@216.196.97.136...
"westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> wrote in news:vRN7e.51568$Z14.40172
@news.indigo.ie:
"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:adbu51hkvm3f0evpq86cvc59e4ru8pibut@4ax.com...
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Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
And if you can't find one it proves Dave is right.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
I found several. In the instance where the statement is made by
ostensibly
reputable scientists, it is either used in a metaphorical sense or the
scientist in question is speaking outside his area of study and fails to
adequately understand how the process of crystal formation works.
That's what Dave would use as an example of how scientists can't agree on
anything, so how can we trust them.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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15 Apr 2005 04:49:05 PM |
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"westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> wrote in news:reW7e.51611$Z14.40350
@news.indigo.ie:
"Séimí mac Liam" <gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:Xns9639571BD6C68Sim@216.196.97.136...
"westprog" <westprog@hotmail.com> wrote in news:vRN7e.51568$Z14.40172
@news.indigo.ie:
"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
message
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Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
And if you can't find one it proves Dave is right.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
I found several. In the instance where the statement is made by
ostensibly
reputable scientists, it is either used in a metaphorical sense or the
scientist in question is speaking outside his area of study and fails to
adequately understand how the process of crystal formation works.
That's what Dave would use as an example of how scientists can't agree on
anything, so how can we trust them.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
Of course, stars aren't born any more than crystals reproduce.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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| User: "westprog" |
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16 Apr 2005 05:47:56 AM |
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"Séimí mac Liam" <gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
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I found several. In the instance where the statement is made by
ostensibly
reputable scientists, it is either used in a metaphorical sense or the
scientist in question is speaking outside his area of study and fails
to
adequately understand how the process of crystal formation works.
That's what Dave would use as an example of how scientists can't agree
on
anything, so how can we trust them.
Of course, stars aren't born any more than crystals reproduce.
And they don't die either. It just shows the danger of using colloquial
language in scientific matters.
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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15 Apr 2005 03:52:31 AM |
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In article <adbu51hkvm3f0evpq86cvc59e4ru8pibut@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:27:48 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:qmos51lkpjge7vfjjnlekshnnmhn9jur10@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:40:14 -0500, while Pastor Dave
was preaching from the housetops, "Séimí mac Liam"
<gwyddon@arac.netNOSPAM> spake thusly:
What about crystals? They reproduce.
I think you'll find that crystals "grow". I don't think you'll find
them reproducing.
Crystals reproduce.
Don't suppose you like to tell me where their reproduction occurs and
what the methodology is, would you? Do they stop by the local watering
hole and pick up a fancy cut and color sapphire? Rush out to make wee
baby spinels and tourmalines? Inquiring minds want to know.
Does the methodology matter? The fact is, they do. A
simple search will confirm that for you. It'll hit on
science sites, etc..
Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
Called your bluff, huh?
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| User: "Virgil" |
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15 Apr 2005 02:25:46 AM |
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In article <adbu51hkvm3f0evpq86cvc59e4ru8pibut@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
Pastor Dave is the one making the claim so that he is the one bearing
the burden of proof.
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| User: "Séimí mac Liam" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:29:29 AM |
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Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-
705AD8.01254615042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
In article <adbu51hkvm3f0evpq86cvc59e4ru8pibut@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Why don't you list just one site that says that crystals reproduce.
Why don't you save yourself the wait and do the search
yourself?
Pastor Dave is the one making the claim so that he is the one bearing
the burden of proof.
Actually, Ger was the one who made the original claim. He, apparently, has
done a little reading and exitted the fray.
--
Saint Séimí mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
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11 Apr 2005 06:57:27 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:24:37 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> said:
Scríobh Turlough <TurloughX@comcast.net>:
westprog wrote:
The reason to suppose that life arose from non-life is that we can clearly
see from the fossil record that at one point there was life, and a little
bit earlier there wasn't - or at least, none that has left any trace. Go
back a bit further and we have a planet that couldn't support any form of
life that we can imagine.
That's an incredible leap of faith. Fossil records show micro evolution.
Fossil records show evidence of evolution, full stop. The only
distinction between microevolution and macroevolution is scale.
Bull. There is no record of macroevolution. You know
it and I know it, which is why you once again play word
games.
Enough
microchanges, and you end up with macrochanges. All it takes is time.
The evolutionists magic wand. If you can't prove
something, just wave the "time" wand.
Well, there's been plenty of time. Now where's the
fossil evidence for macroevolution?
"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
"Paleontologists have paid an enormous price for
Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true
students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored
account of evolution by natural selection we view our
data as so bad that we almost never see the very
process we profess to study. ...The history of most
fossil species includes two features particularly
inconsistent with gradualism: 1. Stasis. Most species
exhibit no directional change during their tenure on
earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much
the same as when they disappear; morphological change I
usually limited and directionless. 2. Sudden
appearance. In any local area, a species does not
arise gradually by the steady transformation of its
ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed.'"
(Gould, Stephen J. The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182)
"Species that were once thought to have turned into
others have been found to overlap in time with these
alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does
not convincingly document a single transition from one
species to another." (Stanley, S.M., The New
Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin
of Species, 1981, p. 95)
"Many fossils have been collected since 1859, tons of
them, yet the impact they have had on our understanding
of the relationships between living organisms is barely
perceptible. ...In fact, I do not think it unfair to
say that fossils, or at least the traditional
interpretation of fossils, have clouded rather than
clarified our attempts to reconstruct phylogeny."
(Fortey, P. L., "Neontological Analysis Versus
Palaeontological Stores," 1982, p. 120-121)
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "westprog" |
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11 Apr 2005 07:10:09 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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2. Sudden
appearance. In any local area, a species does not
arise gradually by the steady transformation of its
ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed.'"
(Gould, Stephen J. The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182)
Yes - it appears. It wasn't there all along. The new species arise at
different points in time. It's the one part of creationism that has been
comprehensively disproved - a single, simultaneous origin for all species.
That has been absolutely demolished.
I wonder if Pastor Dave will bring up the different rates of radioactive
decay back in the past?
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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11 Apr 2005 09:42:36 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e8pk51d4qsne41cpqtk28e5nvq3jiu1mn0@4ax.com...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:24:37 +0100, while wishing I
would go away, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> said:
The reason to suppose that life arose from non-life is that we can
clearly
see from the fossil record that at one point there was life, and a
little
bit earlier there wasn't - or at least, none that has left any trace.
Go
back a bit further and we have a planet that couldn't support any form
of
life that we can imagine.
That's an incredible leap of faith. Fossil records show micro evolution.
Fossil records show evidence of evolution, full stop. The only
distinction between microevolution and macroevolution is scale.
Bull. There is no record of macroevolution. You know
it and I know it, which is why you once again play word
games.
I knew this man who had a full head of black hair. I didn't see him for a
few years. Then I went to his house and met someone who looked like him, but
who had grey hair. People tried to tell me that it was the same person. I
wouldn't accept this. Clearly there were always two people, one with black
hair and one with grey hair. It was sheer coincidence that they were never
seen together.
I noticed that people could never come up with a detailed description of how
black hair could magically change into grey all by itself. They came up with
some kind of excuse that "time" brought it about. As if time could make
things happen all by itself.
Enough
microchanges, and you end up with macrochanges. All it takes is time.
The evolutionists magic wand. If you can't prove
something, just wave the "time" wand.
Well, there's been plenty of time. Now where's the
fossil evidence for macroevolution?
"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
Quite correct. The strongest evidence for evolution is to be found in the
study of living creatures. As with paleontology, nothing in the field of
biology makes sense except in the context of evolution.
"Paleontologists have paid an enormous price for
Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true
students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored
account of evolution by natural selection we view our
data as so bad that we almost never see the very
process we profess to study. ...The history of most
fossil species includes two features particularly
inconsistent with gradualism: 1. Stasis. Most species
exhibit no directional change during their tenure on
earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much
the same as when they disappear; morphological change I
usually limited and directionless. 2. Sudden
appearance. In any local area, a species does not
arise gradually by the steady transformation of its
ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed.'"
(Gould, Stephen J. The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182)
This is a simple statement of fact. Species appear quickly (in geological
terms, where a few thousand years is a very small interval). That's just a
statement about how evolution works.
"Species that were once thought to have turned into
others have been found to overlap in time with these
alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does
not convincingly document a single transition from one
species to another." (Stanley, S.M., The New
Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin
of Species, 1981, p. 95)
However, ancestor species can be easily deduced. It's not surprising that
the very closely related species that are also close in time should be
difficult to untangle.
....
J/
SOTW: "God's Footballer" - Billy Bragg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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