On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:37:07 GMT, "Paul R. Finch"
<pfinch1@cfl.rr.com> spake thusly:

"Peace Crusader" <acfernando@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139559567.982547.127730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. and my Fellowmen,

In Matthew 12:40, Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three
nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and
three nights in the heart of the earth."

How do you think can you have three days and three nights if you have a
Friday crucifixion and a Sunday morning discovery of an empty tomb?
This would only be equal to one-and-a-half days or one day and two
nights. Jesus was very specific that the Son of man will be "three
days and three nights in the heart of the earth".

The Hebrew "day/night" expression is only used by Matthew and was a way of
expressing calendar days.
If you think that there was a 3 X 24 hour span of time requirement, then
this means that the time of burial was a stop watch event.

You are making an excuse.

Show us where the Bible says, "I am only expressing
calendar days".

Jesus was specific. You're trying to claim He wasn't.

I can believe His words, or yours.

--

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34

"Faith is not an intellectual belief. Faith is
a belief with legs on it." - Adrian Rogers

On 10 Feb 2006 00:38:34 -0800, "Peace Crusader"
<acfernando@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Dear Sam and my Fellowmen,

Sam wrote:

You mentioned that circumcision is before His 8th birthday. A Jew is
circumcised on his 8th day from his birth and not 8th year from his
birth. If Jesus was born on May 23, 33 BC, He was circumcised on May
31, 33 BC.

Thanks for that correction, My Mind wanted to say that, but My fingers
did not.
8 days could Mean, that He was born 8 days before a feast day, or High
Sabboth, to be able to be Circumcised in the temple as the
Harmony of the gosples Implies, when the Prophet Prophecied about
Jesus, that "He opened not his Mouth" or "Cried out not"
Thanks again

My reply:
You are welcome. It is very gracious of you.

I understand that at circumcision, the baby boy is named. Whether the
circumcision is done in the temple or elsewhere, I do not know. Would
a Jew be available to tell us how this rite is performed?

Circumcision is performed on the eighth day of
the child's life, during the day. The day the child
is born counts as the first day, thus if the child is
born on a Wednesday, he is circumcised on the
following Wednesday. Keep in mind that Jewish
days begin at sunset, so if the child is born on a
Wednesday evening, he is circumcised the following
Thursday. Circumcisions are performed on Shabbat,
even though they involve the drawing of blood which
is ordinarily forbidden on shabbat. The Bible does
not specify a reason for the choice of the eighth day;
however, modern medicine has revealed that an
infant's blood clotting mechanism stabilizes on
the eighth day after birth. As with almost any
commandment, circumcision can be postponed
for health reasons. Jewish law provides that where
the child's health is at issue, circumcision must wait
until seven days after a doctor declares the child
healthy enough to undergo the procedure.

Circumcision involves surgically removing the foreskin
of the penis. The circumcision is performed by a mohel
(lit. circumciser; rhymes with oil), a pious, observant
Jew educated in the relevant Jewish law and in surgical
techniques. Circumcision performed by a regular
physician does not qualify as a valid brit milah,
regardless of whether a rabbi says a blessing over it,
because the removal of the foreskin is itself a
religious ritual that must be performed by someone
religiously qualified.

If the child is born without a foreskin (it happens
occasionally), or if the child was previously
circumcised without the appropriate religious intent
or in a manner that rendered the circumcision
religiously invalid, a symbolic circumcision may
be performed by taking a pinprick of blood from
the tip of the penis. This is referred to as hatafat
dam brit.

While the circumcision is performed, the child is
held by a person called a sandek. In English, this
is often referred to as a godfather. It is an honor
to be a sandek for a bris. The sandek is usually
a grandparent or the family rabbi. Traditionally,
a chair (often an ornate one) is set aside for Elijah,
who is said to preside over all circumcisions.
Various blessings are recited, including one over wine,
and a drop of wine is placed in the child's mouth.
The child is then given a formal Hebrew name.

It is not necessary to have a minyan for a bris,
but it is desirable if feasible.

As with most Jewish life events, the ritual is followed
by refreshments or a festive meal.

http://www.jewfaq.org/birth.htm#Brit


As for my own knowledge, I do recall children being
"dedicated" at the Temple, but I don't remember
anything about having to go to the Temple for
circumcision.

The dedication involves the first born and it is not
done on the 8th day, because the woman had to
be purified and wait 40 days...

Leviticus 12:2-4

2) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying,
If a woman have conceived seed, and borne
a man child: then she shall be unclean seven
days; according to the days of the separation
for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
3) And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin
shall be circumcised.
4) And she shall then continue in the blood of
her purifying three and thirty days; she shall
touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the
sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be
fulfilled.

As you can see, she could not come into the Temple,
until she was pure again and that would take a lot
longer than eight days. :)

Exodus 13:1-2, 12-15

1) And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
2) Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever
openeth the womb among the children of Israel,
both of man and of beast: it is mine.
12) That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all
that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that
cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males
shall be the LORD's.
13) And every firstling of an ***** thou shalt redeem
with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then
thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of
man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
14) And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time
to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say
unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought
us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:
15) And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly
let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the
land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the
firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD
all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all
the firstborn of my children I redeem.

If you read through chapter 13, you'll see that
this was closely connected with Passover.

The firstborn male child, unlike the firstlings
of animals, was to be redeemed.

--

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34

I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish He didn't trust me so much.