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"Pastor Dave" |
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11 Sep 2007 03:42:25 AM |
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C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it
should come the statement, 'But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son, but the Father'. The one exhibition
of error and the one confession of ignorance grow
side by side.
To this, the skeptic may reply, If Jesus incorrectly
predicted His return within the contemporaneous
generation, but actually did not know that He was
going to return within that time frame, then why
did He so confidently assert that all of the words
He had just spoken would come to pass in
Matthew 24:35? He said, 'Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away'.
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| User: "Mark T moi@home0000000000000000Kevin07" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
11 Sep 2007 04:11:29 AM |
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"Pasta Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Say what you like
Ok.
Have you read "In Search of C S Lewis" edited by Stephen Schofield (Bridge
Publishing Inc, New Jersey) and containing interviews with A J P Taylor,
Malcolm Muggeridge and others who knew Lewis? It seems C S Lewis told dirty
jokes all his life ... and there was his constant habit in later life of
urinating in his pants ...and staying in them.
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Two, a strong hostility to modern theology and to the method, results and
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And three, an assurance that those who do not share their religious
viewpoint are not really true Christians at all.'
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
11 Sep 2007 08:11:49 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
When given a chance to decide if PD or JC was right I'll choose JC every
time . He meant this 2007 generation but it can be twisted so you twisted
asusual Preach it !!! not... Love, Jack.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
11 Sep 2007 08:59:53 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:11:49 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
When given a chance to decide if PD or JC was right I'll choose JC every
time . He meant this 2007 generation but it can be twisted so you twisted
asusual Preach it !!! not... Love, Jack.
Fix your quoting setup!
You really are a stupid man! You really think that Jesus
meant 2007 AD?!?
Show me that in the Bible, moron!
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
13 Sep 2007 01:19:39 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
[snip]
LOL
Jesus: "For the time is coming, and is now," used three times in the Gospel
of John to elucidate the dualism (from Jesus' present perspective) of His
sayings, in both the immediate context (from Jesus' perspective) and future
context (from our perspective), all of which, when coupled with their Old
Testament contexts, establishes Triunism, i.e. there is what "was," what
"is," and what is "yet to come."
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear
shall live.
(Said in reference to Matthew's limited resurrection that took place at
Jesus' crucifixion, and the rest of the New Testament's references to the
future resurrection, all of which are still future.)
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be
scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not
alone, because the Father is with me.
(Said in reference to the scattering of the disciples in Jesus' hour, and
the coming scattering of the disciples in the end of the age.)
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.
(Said in reference to the end of temple worship in Jesus' immediate time
frame, and in the end-time frame.)
When all is said and done, if it was "coming," it wasn't "now," and if it
was "now," it wasn't "coming," unless it was both "coming" and "now" in
different contexts, i.e. the near future and the far future.
Ike
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
13 Sep 2007 09:59:39 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%D4Gi.6578$jn3.5315@trndny05...
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
[snip]
LOL
Jesus: "For the time is coming, and is now," used three times in the
Gospel of John to elucidate the dualism (from Jesus' present perspective)
of His sayings, in both the immediate context (from Jesus' perspective)
and future context (from our perspective), all of which, when coupled with
their Old Testament contexts, establishes Triunism, i.e. there is what
"was," what "is," and what is "yet to come."
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear
shall live.
(Said in reference to Matthew's limited resurrection that took place at
Jesus' crucifixion, and the rest of the New Testament's references to the
future resurrection, all of which are still future.)
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be
scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am
not alone, because the Father is with me.
(Said in reference to the scattering of the disciples in Jesus' hour, and
the coming scattering of the disciples in the end of the age.)
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.
(Said in reference to the end of temple worship in Jesus' immediate time
frame, and in the end-time frame.)
When all is said and done, if it was "coming," it wasn't "now," and if it
was "now," it wasn't "coming," unless it was both "coming" and "now" in
different contexts, i.e. the near future and the far future.
Ike
He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
You need a bunch of book learning because you said Jesus was a liar and
probebly didnt even know that you did and that means you re un=educated and
shouldnt try preaching for 4 years while learning truth--study
jack
Hey, A-S-S... SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE, WHERE JESUS SAID,
"DAVE IS A LIAR>
PeeDee
Ike I found a verse last nite:
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans,
which I also Hate
Well ya have to love even yer enemies but not their Works
iss OK to Hate what E says E must b a Nickel....... a
Love , Jackhate.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
13 Sep 2007 11:15:24 PM |
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"Jack Baun" <bluejay@gwis.com> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%D4Gi.6578$jn3.5315@trndny05...
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
[snip]
LOL
Jesus: "For the time is coming, and is now," used three times in the
Gospel of John to elucidate the dualism (from Jesus' present perspective)
of His sayings, in both the immediate context (from Jesus' perspective)
and future context (from our perspective), all of which, when coupled
with their Old Testament contexts, establishes Triunism, i.e. there is
what "was," what "is," and what is "yet to come."
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear
shall live.
(Said in reference to Matthew's limited resurrection that took place at
Jesus' crucifixion, and the rest of the New Testament's references to the
future resurrection, all of which are still future.)
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be
scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am
not alone, because the Father is with me.
(Said in reference to the scattering of the disciples in Jesus' hour, and
the coming scattering of the disciples in the end of the age.)
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him.
(Said in reference to the end of temple worship in Jesus' immediate time
frame, and in the end-time frame.)
When all is said and done, if it was "coming," it wasn't "now," and if it
was "now," it wasn't "coming," unless it was both "coming" and "now" in
different contexts, i.e. the near future and the far future.
Ike
He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
You need a bunch of book learning because you said Jesus was a liar and
probebly didnt even know that you did and that means you re un=educated
and shouldnt try preaching for 4 years while learning truth--study
jack
Hey, A-S-S... SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE, WHERE JESUS SAID,
"DAVE IS A LIAR>
PeeDee
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.
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little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Matthew 24:34 |
11 Sep 2007 08:44:20 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
Have you not read He (Jesus) was without sin. It just may be you don't
understand what you read David , go to school
We will make a good Preacher out of you yet
Teach yourself before you teach others
open your ears instead of your mouth
Love, Jack
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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11 Sep 2007 09:04:07 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:44:20 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
Have you not read He (Jesus) was without sin. It just may be you don't
understand what you read David , go to school
We will make a good Preacher out of you yet
Teach yourself before you teach others
open your ears instead of your mouth
Love, Jack
Hey, stupid, you think that because I don't agree with you
that it's about 2007 AD, which you specifically said it is,
that means that I need to go to school?
Jack, you're nothing more than an *****, who demands to
hear what tickles his ears.
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: Matthew 24:34 |
12 Sep 2007 02:09:54 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:44:20 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
Have you not read He (Jesus) was without sin. It just may be you don't
understand what you read David , go to school
We will make a good Preacher out of you yet
Teach yourself before you teach others
open your ears instead of your mouth
Love, Jack
Hey, stupid, you think that because I don't agree with you
that it's about 2007 AD, which you specifically said it is,
that means that I need to go to school?
Jack, you're nothing more than an *****, who demands to
hear what tickles his ears.
If you wish to have discussions clean up your words
You need a bunch of book learning because you said Jesus was a liar and
probebly didnt even know that you did and that means you re un=educated and
shouldnt try preaching for 4 years while learning truth--study
Love,
Jack>
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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12 Sep 2007 08:14:15 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:09:54 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:v6iee3ph3icu49kda4osp7m3c5ikbh4l3l@4ax.com...
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:44:20 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
Have you not read He (Jesus) was without sin. It just may be you don't
understand what you read David , go to school
We will make a good Preacher out of you yet
Teach yourself before you teach others
open your ears instead of your mouth
Love, Jack
Hey, stupid, you think that because I don't agree with you
that it's about 2007 AD, which you specifically said it is,
that means that I need to go to school?
Jack, you're nothing more than an *****, who demands to
hear what tickles his ears.
If you wish to have discussions clean up your words
Clean up your brain! And no, I don't care about
"discussions" with you!
You think you're so Godly, because you don't use
the word "*****"? Yet, you insult me, telling me to
go to school and that YOU will "make a good preacher
out of me yet"?! Your attitude is arrogant and vain!
And yes, you are an *****! Anyone who thinks that
because a preacher doesn't say, "It's all about Jack's
generation in 2007 AD", that they need to o to school,
is an arrogant, vain *****!
You need a bunch of book learning because you said Jesus was a liar and
probebly didnt even know that you did and that means you re un=educated and
shouldnt try preaching for 4 years while learning truth--study
Hey, A-S-S... SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE, WHERE JESUS SAID,
"DAVE IS A LIAR, BECAUSE HE WON'T SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT
JACK'S GENERATION, IN 2007 AD".
CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT?!? NO?!? THEN YOU'RE A VAIN,
ARROGANT, LYING *****, JACK!!!
And as for your "instructions" for me, go get a life!
You're a wannabee whom no one listens to in real life
and you feel self important here in usenet! You would
NEVER pull this crap in real life!
The best you have is:
"I said it's about me and I am going to insult you and
pretend that I'm someone important, who can judge
all preachers."
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12 Sep 2007 04:33:39 PM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:09:54 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:v6iee3ph3icu49kda4osp7m3c5ikbh4l3l@4ax.com...
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:44:20 -0400, "Jack Baun"
<bluejay@gwis.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vrkce3pl120huspuopt4ip6boftkul2br6@4ax.com...
Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong.
Pastor Dave
Have you not read He (Jesus) was without sin. It just may be you don't
understand what you read David , go to school
We will make a good Preacher out of you yet
Teach yourself before you teach others
open your ears instead of your mouth
Love, Jack
Hey, stupid, you think that because I don't agree with you
that it's about 2007 AD, which you specifically said it is,
that means that I need to go to school?
Jack, you're nothing more than an *****, who demands to
hear what tickles his ears.
If you wish to have discussions clean up your words
Clean up your brain! And no, I don't care about
"discussions" with you!
Or with anyone who cites scriptures to contradict you. Right Satan?
His,
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "AramaicAlbion" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
12 Sep 2007 01:59:36 PM |
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Yeshua was SPEAKING IN ARAMAIC.....He said "sharbata" which in this
context, means "TRIBE", Not "generation".
These kind of passages can be cleared up, and the correct meaning be
given, but ONLY if one understands that Messiah was speaking in His
native tongue, Aramaic.
So, He was saying; "This tribe shall not pass away, till all these
things be done".
And we still have Judah (the Jews) with us till this day.
This is the explanation, understanding that Messiah spoke in Aramaic,
NOT in Greek!
Shlama, Albion
On Sep 11, 1:42 am, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it
should come the statement, 'But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son, but the Father'. The one exhibition
of error and the one confession of ignorance grow
side by side.
To this, the skeptic may reply, If Jesus incorrectly
predicted His return within the contemporaneous
generation, but actually did not know that He was
going to return within that time frame, then why
did He so confidently assert that all of the words
He had just spoken would come to pass in
Matthew 24:35? He said, 'Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away'.
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