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"Pastor Dave" |
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20 Sep 2007 05:11:09 AM |
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C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it
should come the statement, 'But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son, but the Father'. The one exhibition
of error and the one confession of ignorance grow
side by side.
To this, the skeptic may reply, If Jesus incorrectly
predicted His return within the contemporaneous
generation, but actually did not know that He was
going to return within that time frame, then why
did He so confidently assert that all of the words
He had just spoken would come to pass in
Matthew 24:35? He said, 'Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away'.
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE: YOU SAID THE NT WRITERS WERE WRONG! |
22 Sep 2007 09:39:56 AM |
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On Sep 22, 7:24 am, " ::: good news :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:44m9f359sad1v5l0cga811kp67h00l6t8g@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> typed:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:43:30 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:t7v7f31d9ktdhrtsluv939rfo29sqo92i4@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> typed:
[big snip]
I am prepared to discuss this in the thread where I wrote it - not
here.
You keep naming threads the opposite of what happened.
I will not play your games of making points by separating things from
their context.
You're lying, Vera. No context was removed. You tried
to add more subjects in.
Starting a new thread is context removing - or why would someone start a
new thread in the middle of a debate? To cover what was written there.
And then you go and make it personal by adding the name in the subject
line, and pretend things that have never been said. It is always the
same, and you have been doing this for years now. It can easily be
proved.
You are one of the worst liars I have ever seen in my life so far, and
it is not that you only lie about the Bible, but about other people,
too, calling them names and discrediting them.
Know that whenever you start a new thread from an ongoing debate in the
future and make it a personal matter, I will make the topic of that YOU
and will expose your LIES.
I am not your judge, either, but know this - it is a part of the Book
from which you have taken your false Gospel:
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." (Exodus
20:16 WEB)
"Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the
murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices
falsehood." (Revelation 22:15 WEB)
Paul certainly was wrong about everything he wrote and he's on that
list of people outside the gate.
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| User: " ::: good news :::" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE: YOU SAID THE NT WRITERS WERE WRONG! |
22 Sep 2007 10:00:23 AM |
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In news:1190471996.328716.123480@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
snowpheonix <snowpheonix@eck.net.au> typed:
[snip]
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." (Exodus
20:16 WEB)
"Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the
murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices
falsehood." (Revelation 22:15 WEB)
Paul certainly was wrong about everything he wrote and he's on that
list of people outside the gate.
I believe God is able to let His Church know the truth. I do not believe
that men could ever deceive God's people over 2000 years.
Why do you think Paul was wrong? I think he was a typical example of
someone who surrendered, and whom God changed. Why would Paul have given
up his former life and risk being persecuted and stoned like so many
Christians then? Why do you think did he travel through the world to
bring Christianity to other places and plant churches there? Do you
believe we would even know about Jesus without him and Peter? I am sure
God used Paul for His purposes. God can.
Why do you mistrust Paul so much?
May He bless you,
::: vera :::
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE: YOU SAID THE NT WRITERS WERE WRONG! |
22 Sep 2007 07:33:40 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:00:23 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:1190471996.328716.123480@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
snowpheonix <snowpheonix@eck.net.au> typed:
[snip]
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." (Exodus
20:16 WEB)
"Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the
murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices
falsehood." (Revelation 22:15 WEB)
Paul certainly was wrong about everything he wrote and he's on that
list of people outside the gate.
I believe God is able to let His Church know the truth. I do not believe
that men could ever deceive God's people over 2000 years.
And yet, you claim that all who don't believe what
you do, are deceived!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: WERE THE WRITERS OF THE NT WRONG? |
21 Sep 2007 01:07:24 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:08:34 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
So you admit that you believe that they
were wrong. Why do you trust your Bible?
Because the Bible is RIGHT *THEY* were wrong.
I don't think you get it. *THEY* WROTE THE BIBLE!
Sorry, but I would say *HE* wrote the Bible.
Word games won't make the problem go away.
See below.
So if they were wrong, then the Bible is wrong!
Sorry, but I would say *THEY* were wrong,
or *WE* are wrong, but *HE* was right.
In other words, you are trying to claim that the writers
of the New Testament were wrong, when they wrote
that it would happen within their generation, but that
God was right and that God wrote the NT. I'm sorry,
that doesn't cut it, dear!
Why not? Simple! :)
Since what was written, was the words we have in the NT
and since you said that the writers of the NT were wrong,
that makes God wrong, since the words that they wrote,
are what God inspired them to write, by your own statement.
In other words, you can't have it both ways, Vera!
Knowing that there is no escape from this, since the facts
presented are by your own statements, do you now wish
to try to escape the NT and claim that they didn't write
by the inspiration of God?
If so, we come back to the same question...
"Why do you trust your Bible?".
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| User: "Mark T moi@Kevin0700008" |
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| Title: Re: WERE THE WRITERS OF THE NT WRONG? |
21 Sep 2007 06:34:15 PM |
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"Pasta Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> winner of the JESUS IS BORED AWARD
wrote:
In other words, you are trying to claim that the writers
of the New Testament were wrong, when they wrote
DESCRIPTION OF JESUS
Jesus has white hair, eyes of fire, feet of brass, and has a sword sticking
out of his mouth. 1:13-16
John repeats his description of Jesus, saying he has eyes of fire and
feet of brass. 2:18
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a
sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful
into holy war. 19:12-15
This verse refers to Jesus as the "bright and morning star", as is Lucifer
in Is.14:12. So is Jesus Lucifer? 22:16
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: WERE THE WRITERS OF THE NT WRONG? |
22 Sep 2007 12:16:11 AM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3228f35mg8k9lfpjiu6k5k0ppcshjdmttn@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:08:34 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
So you admit that you believe that they
were wrong. Why do you trust your Bible?
Because the Bible is RIGHT *THEY* were wrong.
I don't think you get it. *THEY* WROTE THE BIBLE!
Sorry, but I would say *HE* wrote the Bible.
Word games won't make the problem go away.
See below.
So if they were wrong, then the Bible is wrong!
Sorry, but I would say *THEY* were wrong,
or *WE* are wrong, but *HE* was right.
In other words, you are trying to claim that the writers
of the New Testament were wrong, when they wrote
that it would happen within their generation, but that
God was right and that God wrote the NT. I'm sorry,
that doesn't cut it, dear!
No, Satan. she said first century Christians (she didn't say all) believed
it. Some were babes and Paul had to remind some what he had told them when
they thouight it was in the first century.
You, Satan, are the liar who said the writers of the New Testament believed
that. As anyone with His Spirit knows, they are the ones who reveal when it
will be to us.
Why not? Simple! :)
Since what was written, was the words we have in the NT
and since you said that the writers of the NT were wrong,
that makes God wrong, since the words that they wrote,
are what God inspired them to write, by your own statement.
Keep on lying Satan, your place in eternity keeps getting hotter and hotter.
In other words, you can't have it both ways, Vera!
No, you can't have it both ways, Satan.
Knowing that there is no escape from this, since the facts
presented are by your own statements, do you now wish
to try to escape the NT and claim that they didn't write
by the inspiration of God?
You lie, They did write with the inspiration of God. You'd don't read with
the inspiration of God:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
If so, we come back to the same question...
"Why do you trust your Bible?".
Because it's the word of God, and we understand it.
You, Satan, don't.
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
21 Sep 2007 11:54:15 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:02:14 -0400,
in article <fb65f3hpq9lvd5f3li0pc8snjvd4rviuoo@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:46:50 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:pph4f31tjf151lmoe7slgh9d6q1f40k0ao@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> typed:
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
Amen - and so do we.
So you admit that you believe that they were wrong.
So why do you trust your Bible?
You're the one who just said they were wrong:
Dave:
the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false.
Now, answer your own question.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
22 Sep 2007 05:36:43 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:54:15 -0500, ®andy
<pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:02:14 -0400,
in article <fb65f3hpq9lvd5f3li0pc8snjvd4rviuoo@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:46:50 +0200, " ::: good news :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:pph4f31tjf151lmoe7slgh9d6q1f40k0ao@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> typed:
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
Amen - and so do we.
So you admit that you believe that they were wrong.
So why do you trust your Bible?
You're the one who just said they were wrong:
Dave:
the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false.
Now, answer your own question.
Are you really that desperate that you would
try to claim that I said that? Or are you not
bright enough to tie the words with the subject
title of the thread?
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