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Religions > Bible |
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"Pastor Dave" |
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18 Dec 2007 02:18:22 PM |
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C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it
should come the statement, 'But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son, but the Father'. The one exhibition
of error and the one confession of ignorance grow
side by side.
To this, the skeptic may reply, If Jesus incorrectly
predicted His return within the contemporaneous
generation, but actually did not know that He was
going to return within that time frame, then why
did He so confidently assert that all of the words
He had just spoken would come to pass in
Matthew 24:35? He said, 'Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away'.
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What part of 'THOU SHALT NOT' don't you understand?
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
19 Dec 2007 01:27:34 AM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2oagm39en7upmfnuplcebml6nval493ifj@4ax.com...
This Generation
The Author uses three different words translated "generation," using the
primary sense of the word generation: "what is generated by a generator;"
for He is calling attention to the generator too. He uses "genea," a word
used for a natural son to designate the people of Israel generated by Jacob,
as in "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled"
(Matt 24:34). The Author uses "genos," a word used for adopted son, to
designate the church, generated by adoption: "ye are a chosen generation, a
royal priesthood" (1 Pet 2:9), and He uses "genemma" to designate all
mankind generated by Adam: "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?" (Matt 23:33).
This is apparent when looking at scripture in which two different words for
generation are used together, as in Matt 23:33-36:
You serpents, you generation [gennema: generated by Adam] of vipers, how can
you escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send to you prophets,
and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you shall kill and crucify; and
some of them shall you scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from
city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say to
you, All these things shall come upon this generation [genea: generated by
Jacob].
That's the atonement. How does mankind, generated by Adam, escape the
damnation of hell? Mankind escapes the damnation of hell by all the sins of
the world coming upon the one generated by Jacob, who bore those sins on the
cross.
Satan has been shown this many times, but his interest is in promoting his
own gospel, not the gospel of our Lord.
His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Abrams1117" |
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| Title: Re: C.S. Lewis on Matthew 24:34 |
18 Dec 2007 04:38:22 PM |
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On Dec 18, 12:18 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Say what you like, we shall be told, the apocalyptic
beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be
false. It is clear from the New Testament that they
all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime.
And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which
you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had
told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their
delusion. He said in so many words, 'This generation
shall not pass till all these things be done'. And he
was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the
end of the world than anyone else.
It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it
should come the statement, 'But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,
neither the Son, but the Father'. The one exhibition
of error and the one confession of ignorance grow
side by side.
To this, the skeptic may reply, If Jesus incorrectly
predicted His return within the contemporaneous
generation, but actually did not know that He was
going to return within that time frame, then why
did He so confidently assert that all of the words
He had just spoken would come to pass in
Matthew 24:35? He said, 'Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away'.
Blind preters. The Earth will pass away in the lake of fire:
The lake of fire is the second death.
Revelation 21:8:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall
have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.
The lake of fire cannot harm anyone born again in the first
resurrection.
Revelation 20:5-6:
20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of G-
D and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Anyone not written in the Book of Life burns in the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14-15:
20:14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death.
20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire will burn up the works on the Earth.
2 Peter 3:10-12:
3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works
that are therein shall be burned up.
3:11: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what
manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and
godliness,
3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of G-D,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat?
The lake of fire will burn up all evildoers to ashes.
Malachi 4:1-3:
4:1: For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all
the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the
day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it
shall leave them neither root nor branch.
4:2: But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness
arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as
calves of the stall.
4:3: And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under
the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD
of hosts.
The lake of fire will destroy the Beast and the False Prophet. The
lake of fire destroys ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:
[7] But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have
been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and
destruction of ungodly men. RSV
Including unrepentent preters.
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What part of 'THOU SHALT NOT' don't you understand?
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