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"Henry Hanna" |
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15 Apr 2004 07:54:06 PM |
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Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
Hi. HH here.
I've been quite curious about this curious quote:
"... To this day I can't read King Lear, having had
the advantage of studying it accurately in school.
-ALFRED NORTH WHITEHEAD
on Page 13 of
"The Friendly Shakespeare: A Thoroughly Painless Guide
to the Best of the Bard"
by Norrie Epstein
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140138862/ref=sib_vae_pg_13/103-2118019-4112651?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=whitehead&p=S00W&twc=2&checkSum=l835hMUZ6u9tT5uAcgeLP0Dywpy5BjstseFEVXdQ2%2FY%3D#reader-link
Does anybody know what he meant?
I'm sure he could read King Lear as well as I can.
Or was he a dummy when it came to literature?
I'm guessing he's just saying he thinks that
he should be able to memorize the good passages and
the overall plot of King Lear without any effort.
Whitehead, Alfred North (1861-1947)
English mathematician and philosopher who collaborated
with Russell on Principia Mathematica (1910-13).
After a long career in mathematics at Cambridge and
London, Whitehead accepted a position in philosophy at
Harvard in 1924.
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| User: "Art Neuendorffer" |
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15 Apr 2004 10:14:26 PM |
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"Henry Hanna" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote
Hi. HH here.
I've been quite curious about this curious quote:
"... To this day I can't read King Lear, having had
the advantage of studying it accurately in school.
-ALFRED NORTH WHITEHEAD
on Page 13 of
"The Friendly Shakespeare: A Thoroughly Painless Guide
to the Best of the Bard"
by Norrie Epstein
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140138862/ref=sib_vae_pg_13/103-2118019-4112651?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=whitehead&p=S00W&twc=2&checkSum=l835hMUZ6u9tT5uAcgeLP0Dywpy5BjstseFEVXdQ2%2FY%3D#reader-link
Does anybody know what he meant?
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From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
http://webdrive.service.emory.edu/users/talviar/whitehead.htm
<<Culture is activity of thought, and receptiveness to beauty and humane
feeling. Scraps of information have nothing to do with it. A merely
well-informed man is the most useless bore on God's earth.
Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above all things,
harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
"Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach, teach
thoroughly."
The result of teaching small parts of a large number of subjects is the
passive reception of disconnected ideas, not illumined with any spark of
vitality. Let the main ideas which are introduced into a child's education
be few and important, and let them be thrown into every combination
possible. The child should make them his own, and should understand their
application here and now in the circumstances of his actual life. From the
very beginning of his education, the child should experience the joy of
discovery.
The discovery which he has to make, is that general ideas give an
understanding of that stream of events which pours through his life, which
is his life.
The only use of a knowledge of the past is to equip us for the present. No
more deadly harm can be done to young minds than by depreciation of the
present.
Interrelated truths are utiIized en bloc, and the various propositions are
employed in any order, and with any reiteration. Choose some important
applications of your theoretical subject and study them concurrently with
the systematic theoretical exposition.
The consequences of a plethora of half-digested theoretical knowledge are
deplorable.
Education is the acquisition of the art of the utilization of knowledge.
This is an art very difficult to impart.
The best procedure will depend on several factors, none of which can be
neglected, namely, the genius of the teacher, the intellectual type of the
pupils, their prospects in life, the opportunities offered by the immediate
surroundings of the school, and allied factors of this sort. It is for this
reason that the uniform external examination is so deadly.
The evocation of curiosity, of judgment, of the power of mastering a
complicated tangle of circumstances, the use of theory in giving foresight
in special cases-all these powers are not be imparted by a set rule embodied
in one schedule of examination subjects.
The mind is never passive; it is a perpetual activity, delicate, receptive,
responsive to stimulus. You cannot postpone its life until you have
sharpened it. Whatever interest attaches to your subject-matter must be
evoked here and now; whatever powers you are strengthening in the pupil,
must be exercised here and now; whatever possibilities of mental life your
teaching should impart, must be exhibited here and now. That is the golden
rule of education, and a very difficult rule to follow.
Instead of this single unity, we offer children -Algebra, from which
nothings follows; Science, from which nothings follows; History, from which
nothings follows; a Couple of Languages, never mastered; and lastly, and
most dreary of all, Literature, represented by plays of Shakespeare, with
philological notes and short analysis of plot and character, to be in
substance committed to memory. Can such a list be said to represent Life, as
it is known in the midst of the living of it?
You may not divide the seamless coat of learning. What education has to
impart is an intimate sense for the power of ideas, together with a
particular body of knowledge which has peculiar reference to the life of the
being possessing it.
A mind so disciplined should be both more abstract and more concrete. It has
been trained in the comprehension of abstract thought and the analysis of
facts.
Style, in its finest sense, is the last acquirement of the educated mind; it
is also the most useful. It pervades the whole being.Style is the ultimate
morality of mind.
With style your power is increased, for your mind is not distracted with
irrelevancies, and you are more likely to attain your object.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
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| User: "William Elliot" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:31:48 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Art Neuendorffer wrote:
From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
http://webdrive.service.emory.edu/users/talviar/whitehead.htm
<<Culture is activity of thought, and receptiveness to beauty and humane
feeling. Scraps of information have nothing to do with it. A merely
well-informed man is the most useless bore on God's earth.
Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above all things,
harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
"Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach, teach
thoroughly."
Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you. Don't
teach subjects for which you lack parmount interest; your students will
learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
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| User: "bookburn" |
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16 Apr 2004 02:42:53 AM |
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"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:20040415232354.T6587@agora.rdrop.com...
| On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Art Neuendorffer wrote:
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| > From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
| > http://webdrive.service.emory.edu/users/talviar/whitehead.htm
| >
| > <<Culture is activity of thought, and receptiveness to beauty and
humane
| > feeling. Scraps of information have nothing to do with it. A
merely
| > well-informed man is the most useless bore on God's earth.
| >
| > Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above all
things,
| > harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
| >
| > "Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach,
teach
| > thoroughly."
| >
| Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
Don't
| teach subjects for which you lack parmount interest; your students
will
| learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
The argument goes that teaching is different from learning, especially
with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
competency-based education. (The NEA justifies its position against
the Voucher System on the basis of the importance of cross-cultural
learning and schools going to greater lengths in helping slow
learners, disadvantaged, etc..) Some favor teaching programmable
specifics in a sequential, non-repetitive, cumulative curricula and
tend to blame mere learning about warm and fuzzy stuff as responsible
for low national test scores. This dichotomy is represented in "The
Dead Poets Society" where the teacher is artful, but the head master
is only interested in measurable results. The irony is that those
colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing reading the Great Books and
discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the best GRE test scores, I
hear. bb
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| User: "Brian Quincy Hutchings" |
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16 Apr 2004 04:31:41 PM |
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I don't think there's any question,
plowing through some ad hoc collection of "great books" is going
to lead to some sort of proficiency,
as good as Monkey Shakespeare. that was part
of the tri-part Fabian Socialist programme at Chicago U.,
this set of 100 books that were pushed, lots of great ones,
for sure, included. (the other parts were the door-to-door
sale of the Encyclopedia Brit., which was otherwise "moribund,"
and I forget the other part.
the whole multicultural paradigm is also embodied
in the ADL's curriculum, but I don't know,
how may public schools have used it, over the decades
(NB: B'nai B'rith is not a Jewish organization per se, but
I won't use off-color language in this family forum .-)
http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/staugustine.pdf
"bookburn" <bookburn@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<107v3mbqict1uf0@corp.supernews.com>...
competency-based education. (The NEA justifies its position against
the Voucher System on the basis of the importance of cross-cultural
learning and schools going to greater lengths in helping slow
learners, disadvantaged, etc..) Some favor teaching programmable
colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing reading the Great Books and
discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the best GRE test scores, I
--Give Earth a Trickier ***** Cheeny -- out of office, after GIGA years.
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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17 Apr 2004 11:08:14 AM |
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Oh great! Yet another for our collection, a LaRouchie!
You know, the possibilities for psychotic synergy between Oxfordians and
LaRouchies are simply astounding, both being obsessed with British
aristocracy and all.
--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
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| User: "Brian Quincy Hutchings" |
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17 Apr 2004 05:12:00 PM |
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you mean, PS#1, unless Cambridge was founded, firstly.
Harry Potter goes to a PS; y'know?... and, if
you want to know about the Rhodesian brainwashing programme
-- that Bill Clinton did not totally submit to,
in my vague opinion --
you can read about the history of that, as well.
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<ODcgc.25036$_g4.1886894@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Oh great! Yet another for our collection, a LaRouchie!
http://larouchepub.com/lar/2004/3114only_charm.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/3114rich_clarke.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/book_reviews/3105suskind_oneill.html
--Give Earth a Trickier ***** Cheeny -- out of office, after GIGA years.
http://www.benfranklinbooks.com/
http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/3105cheny_trgtted.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3046chnygte_plmbrs.html
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http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/3104elect_voting.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3045dems_dive_soros.html
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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18 Apr 2004 11:42:08 AM |
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I'm sorry, but humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare already has a full
quota of Shakespearean lunatics. We don't need any more, especially
when they're unconnected with Shakespeare.
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the
musical-pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold.
I know it won't do any good, but I recommend you consider psychiatric
care. They have some wonderful new drugs to make the voices go away.
(For others on HLAS, one of this wacko's more interesting beliefs is
that the events of September 11, 2001, were orchestrated by Queen
Elizabeth II, as part of her Fiendish Plan to restore absolute monarchy
to North America.)
--
John W. Kennedy
"Never try to take over the international economy based on a radical
feminist agenda if you're not sure your leader isn't a transvestite."
-- David Misch: "She-Spies", "While You Were Out"
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| User: "John Woodgate" |
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18 Apr 2004 11:56:18 AM |
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I read in sci.lang.translation that John W. Kennedy
<jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote (in <Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcv
lny.cv.net>) about 'Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on
Sun, 18 Apr 2004:
I'm sorry, but humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare already has a full quota of
Shakespearean lunatics. We don't need any more, especially when they're
unconnected with Shakespeare.
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the musical-
pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold. I know it
won't do any good, but I recommend you consider psychiatric care. They have
some wonderful new drugs to make the voices go away.
(For others on HLAS, one of this wacko's more interesting beliefs is that the
events of September 11, 2001, were orchestrated by Queen Elizabeth II, as part
of her Fiendish Plan to restore absolute monarchy to North America.)
To what are you responding? It is normal practice to quote what you are
responding to, briefly, even if it's nonsense.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "John M. Gamble" |
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18 Apr 2004 11:56:40 AM |
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In article <Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
John W. Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the
musical-pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold.
The musical-pitch reform movement?
What, trying to move middle C lower? Caving in to the demands of altos?
--
-john
February 28 1997: Last day libraries could order catalogue cards
from the Library of Congress.
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| User: "John Woodgate" |
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18 Apr 2004 12:21:18 PM |
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I read in sci.lang.translation that John M. Gamble <jgamble@ripco.com>
wrote (in <c5uc08$2u$1@e250.ripco.com>) about 'Curious quote by
A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sun, 18 Apr 2004:
In article <Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
John W. Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the
musical-pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold.
The musical-pitch reform movement?
What, trying to move middle C lower? Caving in to the demands of altos?
Getting the musicians to adopt the 'scientific pitch' of C = 256 Hz
would appease the gods of digital electronics. What's a third of a
semitone, between friends? (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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19 Apr 2004 06:54:22 PM |
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John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.lang.translation that John M. Gamble <jgamble@ripco.com>
wrote (in <c5uc08$2u$1@e250.ripco.com>) about 'Curious quote by
A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sun, 18 Apr 2004:
In article <Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
John W. Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the
musical-pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold.
The musical-pitch reform movement?
What, trying to move middle C lower? Caving in to the demands of altos?
Getting the musicians to adopt the 'scientific pitch' of C = 256 Hz
would appease the gods of digital electronics.
More to the point, it would appease the shade of Verdi. But the impetus
for reform lay more in the continual pitch inflation that has had
Stradivarius players fearing for their instruments and sopranos fearing
for their voices.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The bright critics assembled in this volume will doubtless show, in
their sophisticated and ingenious new ways, that, just as /Pooh/ is
suffused with humanism, our humanism itself, at this late date, has
become full of /Pooh./"
-- Frederick Crews. "Postmodern Pooh", Preface
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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18 Apr 2004 12:12:14 PM |
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John M. Gamble wrote:
In article <Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
John W. Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
I had the misfortune to be an eyewitness when your gang so tainted the
musical-pitch reform movement by your mere presence that it had to fold.
The musical-pitch reform movement?
What, trying to move middle C lower? Caving in to the demands of altos?
Trying to move middle C _back_. Even A=440 is higher than Verdi used
(he was around A=432), and pitches as high as A=454 or even A=460 are
being pushed by some conductors who want to sound "more brilliant". The
movement was doing pretty well around the early 90's, but for some
reason or other Lyndon LaRouche got interested in it (I hear he learned
about it from his wife), and the stench that came from him and his cult
killed it.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only the
obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your heart
that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good government
shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
-- Kazuo Koike. "Lone Wolf and Cub: Thirteen Strings" (tr. Dana Lewis)
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| User: "ralph gibbons" |
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19 Apr 2004 09:55:14 AM |
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"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<OFygc.52307$_g4.6122439@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Trying to move middle C _back_. Even A=440 is higher than Verdi used
(he was around A=432), and pitches as high as A=454 or even A=460 are
being pushed by some conductors who want to sound "more brilliant". The
movement was doing pretty well around the early 90's, but for some
reason or other Lyndon LaRouche got interested in it (I hear he learned
about it from his wife), and the stench that came from him and his cult
killed it.
I would suggest that readers of this thread {not} rely on Mr.
Kennedy's revisionist history ***** gossip. For a comprehensive report:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/revolution.html
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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19 Apr 2004 06:52:17 PM |
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ralph gibbons wrote:
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<OFygc.52307$_g4.6122439@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Trying to move middle C _back_. Even A=440 is higher than Verdi used
(he was around A=432), and pitches as high as A=454 or even A=460 are
being pushed by some conductors who want to sound "more brilliant". The
movement was doing pretty well around the early 90's, but for some
reason or other Lyndon LaRouche got interested in it (I hear he learned
about it from his wife), and the stench that came from him and his cult
killed it.
I would suggest that readers of this thread {not} rely on Mr.
Kennedy's revisionist history ***** gossip. For a comprehensive report:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/revolution.html
I was there.
Ten years ago or so the pitch reform movement actively involved
musicians all over the world, and got headlines in the mainstream press.
Association with LaRouche has marginalized it to the point that one
can no longer bring up the subject in musical circles without people
backing away as though -- well, as though one had just suggested, for
example, that the House of Windsor masterminds the international drug
cartel. Guilt by association, but there you are.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Sweet, was Christ crucified to create this chat?"
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
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| User: "Brian Quincy Hutchings" |
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20 Apr 2004 08:04:33 PM |
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sure, you were there. the question is,
Do you remember if there was a *where*, therein,
viz-a-vu some sort of cultural scene?
two quickie hypotheses present themselves: a)
you were there by yourself, initially -- we stole your idea, and
your hatred of all things LaRouchiac caused you
to tear your own **** down; b)
generical omnipotence -- wherever it is,
there you be!
it's really hard to defend the Kennedy name from this kind of thing,
there are so many of you!
PS: there may have been pictures of Betty Dos in the Royal Alley
*behind* Balmoral, but I'm sure that those were dyspozed-of.
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<RCZgc.66408$_g4.11260248@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/revolution.html
I was there.
--Give Earth a Trickier ***** Cheeny -- out of office after GIGAyears!
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http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/3104elect_voting.html
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Luiz?=" |
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19 Apr 2004 07:09:50 PM |
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John W. Kennedy schrieb:
(For others on HLAS, one of this wacko's more interesting beliefs is
that the events of September 11, 2001, were orchestrated by Queen
Elizabeth II, as part of her Fiendish Plan to restore absolute monarchy
to North America.)
Would you mind elaborating this theory a bit and posting it in
soc.culture.brazil?
From the various conspiracy theories I've been reading there,
this is the first one with a halfway credible reason. :-)
JL
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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19 Apr 2004 07:25:24 PM |
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Joćo Luiz wrote:
John W. Kennedy schrieb:
(For others on HLAS, one of this wacko's more interesting beliefs is
that the events of September 11, 2001, were orchestrated by Queen
Elizabeth II, as part of her Fiendish Plan to restore absolute
monarchy to North America.)
Would you mind elaborating this theory a bit and posting it in
soc.culture.brazil?
From the various conspiracy theories I've been reading there,
this is the first one with a halfway credible reason. :-)
It can be found easily enough by googling. I'd rather not plunge into
the cesspool again.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That.
....you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because
it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is
violent, and not because it is unjust."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross"
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19 Apr 2004 08:46:54 PM |
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you're confusing things. there has never been a single mention
of Betty Dos, concerning 9/11/01, that I know of,
in *EIR*. nor has she been shown
to deliver heroin to her customers in front of Balmoral.
(see the text of _Dope, Inc._, which is now online,
for more relavent factoids;
the 2nd edition has a blurb that says,
"The book that drove Kissinger crazy" !-)
NB: as I recall, A=~432 is C=256 (which is a power of two);
of course, it's not exactly 432 cps.
you can read plenty of stuff about Lord Berty
on the LaRouche sites, as well, Whitehead's nasty counterpart,
for a while.
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<Adygc.52234$_g4.6032114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
that the events of September 11, 2001, were orchestrated by Queen
Elizabeth II, as part of her Fiendish Plan to restore absolute monarchy
--Give Earth a Trickier ***** Cheeny -- out of office, after GIGA years
http://www.benfranklinbooks.com/
http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/book_reviews/3105suskind_oneill.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3046chnygte_plmbrs.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3048iraq_58_const.html
http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac
http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/howthenation.PDF
http://larouchepub.com/other/2004/3104elect_voting.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3045dems_dive_soros.html
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| User: "William Elliot" |
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16 Apr 2004 04:36:44 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, bookburn wrote:
"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
| On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Art Neuendorffer wrote:
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| > From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
| > Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above all
things,
| > harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
| >
| > "Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach,
teach
| > thoroughly."
| >
| Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
Don't
| teach subjects for which you lack paramount interest; your students
will
| learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
The argument goes that teaching is different from learning, especially
with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
competency-based education.
Those who can toss stuff like that around have replaced common sense with
excessive erudition.
(The NEA justifies its position against the Voucher System on the basis
of the importance of cross-cultural learning and schools going to
greater lengths in helping slow learners, disadvantaged, etc..)
To hell with those pampered dumb brats sucking up scarce school dollars.
Put your money on the winners, providing them with resources and
opportunity to learn as they will instead or boring them to tears with
standard curriculum and wasting their potential.
Some favor teaching programmable specifics in a sequential,
non-repetitive, cumulative curricula and tend to blame mere learning
about warm and fuzzy stuff as responsible for low national test scores.
Complusuary education is oxymoron for boot camp training.
Throw the unruly out of school. But no, now school has become
a population wide experiment in prescription drugging young kids
into sombies. More ill health being piled upon ill health.
This dichotomy is represented in "The Dead Poets Society" where the
teacher is artful, but the head master is only interested in measurable
results. The irony is that those colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing
reading the Great Books and discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the
best GRE test scores, I hear. bb
Indeed, verifying what I proclaim.
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| User: "bookburn" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 10:24:36 AM |
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"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:20040416021904.C45528@agora.rdrop.com...
| On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, bookburn wrote:
| > "William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Art Neuendorffer wrote:
| > |
| > | > From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
| > | > Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above
all
| > things,
| > | > harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
| > | >
| > | > "Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach,
| > teach
| > | > thoroughly."
| > | >
| > | Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
| > Don't
| > | teach subjects for which you lack paramount interest; your
students
| > will
| > | learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
| >
| > The argument goes that teaching is different from learning,
especially
| > with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
| > competency-based education.
|
| Those who can toss stuff like that around have replaced common sense
with
| excessive erudition.
|
| > (The NEA justifies its position against the Voucher System on the
basis
| > of the importance of cross-cultural learning and schools going to
| > greater lengths in helping slow learners, disadvantaged, etc..)
|
| To hell with those pampered dumb brats sucking up scarce school
dollars.
| Put your money on the winners, providing them with resources and
| opportunity to learn as they will instead or boring them to tears
with
| standard curriculum and wasting their potential.
|
| > Some favor teaching programmable specifics in a sequential,
| > non-repetitive, cumulative curricula and tend to blame mere
learning
| > about warm and fuzzy stuff as responsible for low national test
scores.
|
| Complusuary education is oxymoron for boot camp training.
| Throw the unruly out of school. But no, now school has become
| a population wide experiment in prescription drugging young kids
| into sombies. More ill health being piled upon ill health.
|
| > This dichotomy is represented in "The Dead Poets Society" where
the
| > teacher is artful, but the head master is only interested in
measurable
| > results. The irony is that those colleges, like St. Johns,
emphasizing
| > reading the Great Books and discussing in Socratic dialogue, have
the
| > best GRE test scores, I hear. bb
|
| Indeed, verifying what I proclaim.
A. N. Whitehead's problem with being "taught" Lear then seems to be
about loss of bringing personal experience and insight into its
re-creation, reading being a creative act. I understand Whitehead was
highly regarded by students for the way he encouraged them to visit
him at home for informal seminars, etc.. bb
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| User: "unglued" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
17 Apr 2004 09:05:40 AM |
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William Elliot <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<20040416021904.C45528@agora.rdrop.com>...
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, bookburn wrote:
"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
| On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Art Neuendorffer wrote:
|
| > From The Aims of Education and Other Essays Chapter I
| > Education with inert ideas is not only useless: it is, above all
things,
| > harmful - Corruptio optimi, pessima.
| >
| > "Do not teach too many subjects," and again, "What you teach,
teach
| > thoroughly."
| >
| Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
Don't
| teach subjects for which you lack paramount interest; your students
will
| learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
The argument goes that teaching is different from learning, especially
with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
competency-based education.
Those who can toss stuff like that around have replaced common sense with
excessive erudition.
(The NEA justifies its position against the Voucher System on the basis
of the importance of cross-cultural learning and schools going to
greater lengths in helping slow learners, disadvantaged, etc..)
To hell with those pampered dumb brats sucking up scarce school dollars.
Put your money on the winners, providing them with resources and
opportunity to learn as they will instead or boring them to tears with
standard curriculum and wasting their potential.
Some favor teaching programmable specifics in a sequential,
non-repetitive, cumulative curricula and tend to blame mere learning
about warm and fuzzy stuff as responsible for low national test scores.
Complusuary education is oxymoron for boot camp training.
Throw the unruly out of school. But no, now school has become
a population wide experiment in prescription drugging young kids
into sombies. More ill health being piled upon ill health.
Are we to believe that you would have been a "winner" if you hadn't
been bored to tears by the standard curriculum ? There are excellent
free dictionaries on-line for when you get the urge to use "difficult"
words so you don't have to put yourself out on a limb:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=56863&dict=CALD
This dichotomy is represented in "The Dead Poets Society" where the
teacher is artful, but the head master is only interested in measurable
results. The irony is that those colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing
reading the Great Books and discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the
best GRE test scores, I hear. bb
Indeed, verifying what I proclaim.
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| User: "John Woodgate" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
17 Apr 2004 10:37:52 AM |
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I read in sci.lang.translation that unglued <dragonseed@spray.se> wrote
(in <35f2c8ef.0404170605.73b1c3e0@posting.google.com>) about 'Curious
quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sat, 17 Apr 2004:
Are we to believe that you would have been a "winner" if you hadn't
been bored to tears by the standard curriculum ?
Well, the quality of teaching makes a great deal of difference. I did
very poorly in mathematics until I had a new teacher. No miracles, but
from 'poor' to 'reasonable'. But if I'd had Teach 2 from Day 1, maybe
I'd have got to 'good'. Who knows?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "unglued" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
18 Apr 2004 12:29:21 PM |
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John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message news:<EGx0n$DQ9UgAFwbt@jmwa.demon.co.uk>...
I read in sci.lang.translation that unglued <dragonseed@spray.se> wrote
(in <35f2c8ef.0404170605.73b1c3e0@posting.google.com>) about 'Curious
quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sat, 17 Apr 2004:
Are we to believe that you would have been a "winner" if you hadn't
been bored to tears by the standard curriculum ?
Well, the quality of teaching makes a great deal of difference. I did
very poorly in mathematics until I had a new teacher. No miracles, but
from 'poor' to 'reasonable'. But if I'd had Teach 2 from Day 1, maybe
I'd have got to 'good'. Who knows?
That's very true, however I was questioning his implication that he by
rights belongs to the cultural elite when he is only semi-literate (if
he is anglo-saxon as his moniker implies). That can't by any stretch
of the imagination be blamed on "compulsory education".
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| User: "Lewis Mammel" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
17 Apr 2004 01:09:36 PM |
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John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.lang.translation that unglued <dragonseed@spray.se> wrote
(in <35f2c8ef.0404170605.73b1c3e0@posting.google.com>) about 'Curious
quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sat, 17 Apr 2004:
Are we to believe that you would have been a "winner" if you hadn't
been bored to tears by the standard curriculum ?
Well, the quality of teaching makes a great deal of difference. I did
very poorly in mathematics until I had a new teacher. No miracles, but
from 'poor' to 'reasonable'. But if I'd had Teach 2 from Day 1, maybe
I'd have got to 'good'. Who knows?
What level was this? College? How much do you remember now? Is it
still meaningful to you? Have you heard of Father Guido Sarducci's
Five Minute University? ( You can learn in five minutes everything
you will remember, so why bother with the rest ? )
Lew Mammel, Jr.
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| User: "John Woodgate" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
17 Apr 2004 03:00:53 PM |
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I read in sci.lang.translation that Lewis Mammel
<l.mammel@worldnet.att.net> wrote (in <4081730A.92062CD4@worldnet.att.ne
t>) about 'Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sat, 17
Apr 2004:
John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.lang.translation that unglued <dragonseed@spray.se> wrote
(in <35f2c8ef.0404170605.73b1c3e0@posting.google.com>) about 'Curious
quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare', on Sat, 17 Apr 2004:
Are we to believe that you would have been a "winner" if you hadn't
been bored to tears by the standard curriculum ?
Well, the quality of teaching makes a great deal of difference. I did
very poorly in mathematics until I had a new teacher. No miracles, but
from 'poor' to 'reasonable'. But if I'd had Teach 2 from Day 1, maybe
I'd have got to 'good'. Who knows?
What level was this? College?
Sixth form at grammar school in England. Equivalent to 11 and 12 grade
in US?
How much do you remember now? Is it
still meaningful to you?
Since I'm an electronics engineer, I still use a lot of it and it had
beet be meaningful!
Have you heard of Father Guido Sarducci's
Five Minute University?
No. Sounds a bit Jesuitical.(;-)
( You can learn in five minutes everything
you will remember, so why bother with the rest ? )
I can't agree with that. After 66 years I'm still learning. But perhaps
I'm just that much slower than the good cleric. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "William Elliot" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 05:56:50 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, bookburn wrote:
"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
| Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
Don't
| teach subjects for which you lack paramount interest; your students
will
| learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
The argument goes that teaching is different from learning, especially
with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
competency-based education. (The NEA justifies its position against
the Voucher System on the basis of the importance of cross-cultural
learning and schools going to greater lengths in helping slow
learners, disadvantaged, etc..) Some favor teaching programmable
specifics in a sequential, non-repetitive, cumulative curricula and
tend to blame mere learning about warm and fuzzy stuff as responsible
for low national test scores. This dichotomy is represented in "The
Dead Poets Society" where the teacher is artful, but the head master
is only interested in measurable results. The irony is that those
colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing reading the Great Books and
discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the best GRE test scores, I
hear. bb
We had a high-school MLC, in Portland that allowed kids to learn as they
may and to the embarrassment of the school board not only did they get
good test scores but they had the rudeness to be a school not based upon
proper educational theory. School board response wasn't to expand
the school, but to destroy it to mediocrity of educational theory by
replacing the principal with a vengeful ***** who rid the school of the
creative teachers.
Once visiting there I saw most astounding site, young grade schooler
giving expert lesson to younger grade schooler on arithmetic.
-- the Dummy Down Dunce Dance
Forlorn am I to scorn
the land wherein I'm born
whence creativity is shorn
to fit some standard norm
If all you've learned is teaching, what have you to teach?
Multiple choice tests teach kids that guessing is a way to succeed.
Problem with that approach is real life problems don't present a selection
of solutions, just check or guess which one is correct, they require
figuring out possible solutions and choosing a good one.
Another wondrous training given US kids is attention deficit
syndrome learned thru incessant interruptions of TV commercials.
----
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| User: "bookburn" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 10:08:48 AM |
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"William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:20040416034112.F62241@agora.rdrop.com...
| On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, bookburn wrote:
| > "William Elliot" <marsh@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > | Teach with fervent interest only the subjects that enthrall you.
| > Don't
| > | teach subjects for which you lack paramount interest; your
students
| > will
| > | learn your boredom, lack of interest and ineptness.
| >
| > The argument goes that teaching is different from learning,
especially
| > with respect to the controversy surrounding "mastery," or
| > competency-based education. (The NEA justifies its position
against
| > the Voucher System on the basis of the importance of
cross-cultural
| > learning and schools going to greater lengths in helping slow
| > learners, disadvantaged, etc..) Some favor teaching programmable
| > specifics in a sequential, non-repetitive, cumulative curricula
and
| > tend to blame mere learning about warm and fuzzy stuff as
responsible
| > for low national test scores. This dichotomy is represented in
"The
| > Dead Poets Society" where the teacher is artful, but the head
master
| > is only interested in measurable results. The irony is that those
| > colleges, like St. Johns, emphasizing reading the Great Books and
| > discussing in Socratic dialogue, have the best GRE test scores, I
| > hear. bb
| >
| We had a high-school MLC, in Portland that allowed kids to learn as
they
| may and to the embarrassment of the school board not only did they
get
| good test scores but they had the rudeness to be a school not based
upon
| proper educational theory. School board response wasn't to expand
| the school, but to destroy it to mediocrity of educational theory by
| replacing the principal with a vengeful ***** who rid the school of
the
| creative teachers.
|
| Once visiting there I saw most astounding site, young grade schooler
| giving expert lesson to younger grade schooler on arithmetic.
I'm using the handle "bookburn" partly because of Bradbury's novel
"Fahrenheit 451," the temperature at which books burn. Society burned
books that interferred with its agenda, and refugees collected outside
cities, reading to each other from memory. bb
| -- the Dummy Down Dunce Dance
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| Forlorn am I to scorn
| the land wherein I'm born
| whence creativity is shorn
| to fit some standard norm
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| If all you've learned is teaching, what have you to teach?
|
| Multiple choice tests teach kids that guessing is a way to succeed.
| Problem with that approach is real life problems don't present a
selection
| of solutions, just check or guess which one is correct, they require
| figuring out possible solutions and choosing a good one.
|
| Another wondrous training given US kids is attention deficit
| syndrome learned thru incessant interruptions of TV commercials.
|
| ----
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| User: "John W. Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 11:56:47 AM |
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bookburn wrote:
I'm using the handle "bookburn" partly because of Bradbury's novel
"Fahrenheit 451," the temperature at which books burn. Society burned
books that interferred with its agenda, and refugees collected outside
cities, reading to each other from memory. bb
You are missing either a comma or a major plot point.
--
John W. Kennedy
Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!
http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double%20Falshood.html
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| User: "bookburn" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 01:41:55 PM |
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"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jfUfc.18336$rV4.2162843@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
| bookburn wrote:
| > I'm using the handle "bookburn" partly because of Bradbury's novel
| > "Fahrenheit 451," the temperature at which books burn. Society
burned
| > books that interferred with its agenda, and refugees collected
outside
| > cities, reading to each other from memory. bb
|
| You are missing either a comma or a major plot point.
Can you be clearer? I read the novel, saw the movie, but could be
missing something interesting that relates to the point about people
learning. Could be commas set off "bookburn" and "Fahrenheit 451",
but I don't see how to add a single comma to gain a major plot point.|
bb
| John W. Kennedy
| Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!
| http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double%20Falshood.html
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| User: "Arturo Magidin" |
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| Title: Re: Curious quote by A.N.Whitehead on Shakespeare |
16 Apr 2004 01:47:47 PM |
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In article <1080aa0q94p6k03@corp.supernews.com>,
bookburn <bookburn@yahoo.com> wrote:
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jfUfc.18336$rV4.2162843@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
| bookburn wrote:
| > I'm using the handle "bookburn" partly because of Bradbury's novel
| > "Fahrenheit 451," the temperature at which books burn. Society
burned
| > books that interferred with its agenda, and refugees collected
outside
| > cities, reading to each other from memory. bb
|
| You are missing either a comma or a major plot point.
Can you be clearer? I read the novel, saw the movie, but could be
missing something interesting that relates to the point about people
learning. Could be commas set off "bookburn" and "Fahrenheit 451",
but I don't see how to add a single comma to gain a major plot point.|
bb
At a guess, as I recall they did not "burn[] books that interfered
with [Society's] agenda": they burned ALL books, because of the idea
that books per se caused 'interference' (made people unhappy, etc).
--
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
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Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
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