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21 Nov 2006 05:27:52 PM |
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Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
"One more thing. Stay away from the cutting, death, torture, and use of
dead physical things in occult practices. Why? If you work with
violence and dead physical things you attract it into your life. "
Mark 5
The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man
1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2When
Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil[b] spirit came from the
tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind
him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his
feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the
tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in
front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't
torture me!" 8For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you
evil spirit!"
9Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many." 10And he begged
Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| Title: Re: Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
28 Nov 2006 07:59:21 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
X-no-archive: yes
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Only until just recently have I thought that Satan and Lucifer are the
same angel but they are not according to scripture.
No, they're not. And the most glaring reason for that is that Lucifer
isn't an angel. Whether Satan counts as one himself is debatable if
we're talking about the Old Testament. He'd been thoroughly re-written
by the scripture merchants by the time we get to New Testament times.
But Lucifer isn't an angel. Isn't a demon. Never was. The only
Biblical reference to him is:
Agree with you, Lucifer is a devil(fallen angel) not a demon(spirit of
the Nephilim).
Isa 14:12-15
And it's nothing to do with any angels, I'm afraid:
"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning".
The statement taken in context refers to a king of Babylon, and not to
Satan or anyone like him. This, of course, is why the statement is
usually presented out of context by those convinced that Lucifer was
ever a scripturally-supported name for Satan.
The New International Version, incidentally, apparently wanted to avoid
this particular issue, and so has 'morning star' instead of 'Lucifer'.
Lucifer, or light-bringer, is of course a name for the morning star, or
Venus, and was often used to refer to kings and other princely types.
Indeed, the term 'morning star' is used scripturally to refer to
Jesus[1], thus making Christ himself 'Lucifer'.
[1] - Revelation 22:16
Lucifer is the morning star, the first of the created angels.
Isaiah 14
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [c]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
....The king of Babylon could not ascend above the tops of the cloud or
ascend above the stars but an angel could. An angel that wanted to set
up a rival kingdom to Gods only to be cast to the earth into hell
locked up to stop this angel from destroying the earth.
Ezekiel 28
11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament
concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign
LORD says:
" 'You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, [b] turquoise and beryl. [c]
Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.' "
........Again this angel that was thrown to the earth who became full of
itself Only Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden before mankind was
locked out of it and not this mortal king then who came over a thousand
years later.
Rev 9:11
Lucifer in hell, is now known as Abaddon, Apollyon (and seems to be in
Jewish legends as the fallen angel Samauel) is the king fallen angel of
the bottomless pit. Abaddon means the destroyer which Lucifer was until
he was confined to hell.
More detail here:
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
29 Nov 2006 06:27:10 AM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Agree with you, Lucifer is a devil(fallen angel) not a demon(spirit of
the Nephilim).
Yes, but you're beyond help already, martus: you couldn't touch reality
with a long pole. The hope here is that *normal* people might look
into it a little deeper before taking your unhinged word for anything.
Isa 14:12-15
And it's nothing to do with any angels, I'm afraid:
"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning".
The statement taken in context refers to a king of Babylon, and not to
Satan or anyone like him. This, of course, is why the statement is
usually presented out of context by those convinced that Lucifer was
ever a scripturally-supported name for Satan.
The New International Version, incidentally, apparently wanted to avoid
this particular issue, and so has 'morning star' instead of 'Lucifer'.
Lucifer, or light-bringer, is of course a name for the morning star, or
Venus, and was often used to refer to kings and other princely types.
Indeed, the term 'morning star' is used scripturally to refer to
Jesus[1], thus making Christ himself 'Lucifer'.
[1] - Revelation 22:16
The only question never really answered by those who advocate Satan as
a 'fallen angel' (rather than simply an Old Testament servant of God
co-opted by Christianity to provide evil when it was decided that God
had to be all-loving and incapable of malice) is why anyone would wish
to rebel against God in the first place.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
28 Nov 2006 06:33:27 AM |
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Remnant - did you actually read my posts? Don't you realize that a
majority of people who use self harm only use it as a coping strategy
for dealing with bigger health problems. Don't you realize that it is
not a 'free-will choice' thing. Most of us would use other coping
strategies if we had them. In fact, we would rather not have to feel
the need for extreme coping strategies at all.
Not all teenagers cut and, conversely, not all people who cut are
teenagers. Most people who cut are not doing so in order to provide
worship or gratification for others - they are merely trying to get
through the moment where they feel that they will simply die or
explode. I only ever cut when I was ill. I did it to 'snap myself out
of' a panic attack or to stop myself from getting into an increased
suicidal state. I tried prayer, breathing techniques, tranquillisers
and various suggestions given to me but cutting gave me an immediate
relief with as little damage as possible. I did not choose to do it- it
was a last resort! It had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with godesses. I
only believe in one God. I looked to Him for help, and I eventually got
it. I am well now. I do not self injure. But I certainly do not presume
to know all about everyones reasons for their mental health problems
and their coping strategies. If you had told me 10 years ago how ill I
would be and the damage I would inflict upon myself, I would have told
you to go and get your head examined! I had no understanding of mental
health problems until it happened to me. I'm glad that it is outwith
your experience and I pray that you will never have to understand
through experience. I wouldn't wish it on anyone! But if you do
experience it - I will try and be sympathetic and undertanding. I will
certainly not judge you and blame it on your sins!
Remnant wrote:
http://www.omegaministry.org/OT_January_2004_Gali.html
Return of the Galli
It does not take any special discernment to know that our youth are being
transformed into a generation like the world has never seen before. The
attitudes, fashions, and deviant behavior of young people are like a dark
cloud that hangs over society as a witness. Everyone can see the fruit of
the tree, but what about the roots? What spiritual forces are compelling
young people to self-destruct through perverted sex, self-mutilation, and
mental instability? We will look at the spiritual heritage of these forces
to gain some understanding about what is happening to today's youth.
The heart of the matter is a fallen angel who has purposed in his heart to
pervert the patriarchal image of God. Instead of worshipping the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit, he replaced the image of a patriarch with that of a
matriarch. The result has been the bane of humanity since the fall of
Adam.goddess worship. We will focus on the Cult of the Mother Goddess
because it has had the most influence in this realm.
The mother goddess goes by many names depending on region and historic
era. Some of these names include Ishtar & Astarte (Babylon), Cybele & Magna
Mater (Asia Minor), and Aphrodite (Greece). This goddess always has a male
counterpart who goes by names like Tammuz, Attis, and Adonis. The myths
around the mother goddess and her male counterpart all have these basic
characteristics:
a.. The mother goddess is in authority
b.. She has conceived without sexual intercourse and is therefore both a
mother and a virgin
c.. The male counterpart is in subjection or obedience to the mother
goddess
d.. The male counterpart is at some point, castrated
The priests who were responsible for the rituals of the mother goddess
during the Greco-Roman era were called Galli. All the Galli were eunuchs,
many times castrating themselves after dancing into a mad frenzy where they
would also mutilate themselves with gashes and flagellation. Called Dies
Sanguinis or Bellona's Day, this time marked when Roman votaries of the
war-goddess cut themselves and drank the sacrificial blood to propitiate the
deity. The castration was an identification with the emasculated male
counterpart of the mother goddess.
The Galli also wore women's clothing, long braided hair, and bore an
effeminate image to identify with the mother goddess as well. The worship of
this goddess required sacred sexual rituals where the priests served as
"holy" catamites. Female priests served as sacred prostitutes and engaged in
sexual acts that allowed them to identify with the mother god's virginal
status. Thus, oral and anal sex (an abomination to God the Father) was a
prominent part of their worship.
So what does this have to do with today's youth? Goddess worship is the
predominant form of idolatry in today's society. At every turn, women are
being exalted and worshipped while men are being spiritually castrated and
subdued. These spirits have taken over every aspect of society from politics
and government to arts and entertainment.
As a result, what used to be confined to temples of the mother goddess has
permeated society to such a degree that the entire world has become a temple
for the ***** of Babylon. If we compare characteristics of the priests and
worshippers of these gods and goddesses, we find the same behaviors have
taken over the lives of people today.
Characteristics of the Worshippers of the mother goddess:
a.. Transgender
b.. Transvestites
c.. Homosexuals/Lesbians
d.. Effeminate Men
e.. Rampant Sexual Perversion (oral/anal sex, bestiality)
f.. Self-Mutilation (cuttings, piercings, tatoos)
Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
"Galli (singular Gallus) was the Roman name for castrated followers of the
Phrygian goddess Cybele, which were regarded as a third gender by
contemporary Roman scholars, and are in some ways like transgendered people
in the modern Western world. The chief of these priests was referred to as
the archigallus...The Galli were castrated voluntarily, typically during an
ecstatic celebration called Dies Sanguinis, or Day of Blood, which took
place on March 24." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli)
The only major difference is that today, many people worship these demonic
entities ignorantly because they have been blinded by the god of this world
to the truth. Isaiah 5:13 says, "My people are gone into captivity, because
they have no knowledge.."
There are two manifestations of these invading forces that should be
noted. The first is the growing trend among young people who believe that
engaging in oral and anal sex still qualifies them as virgins. This lie is a
direct descendent of the priestess rituals of goddess worship. It is very
real. These spirits have not gone anywhere! They are propagating the same
lies and deception they used centuries ago! Second is a disturbing
sub-culture among teens called "cutters." These young people habitually use
razor blades, straight pins, and the like to slash and cut themselves. This
is exactly what priest and priestesses did to worship the mother goddess.
Furthermore, even young heterosexual men adorn themselves with earrings,
necklaces, and other jewelry and braid their hair. Young women are turned
into "scared prostitutes" as young as eleven years old! We are standing face
to face with the return of the Galli. This is the spirit that has taken over
our youth. These demons have turned them into priests and priestesses:
worshippers of the mother goddess, the ***** of Babylon.
What is the solution? There is only one. The Spirit of Elijah. The Body of
Christ must be filled with the Holy Ghost to have the power to do just as
Malachi 4:5 and 6 states, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before
the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the
heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to the
fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
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| User: "Remnant" |
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28 Nov 2006 08:06:20 AM |
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<lyndseymcglynn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164717207.881359.137550@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Remnant - did you actually read my posts?
Hi Lyndsey,
Yes, I read your post.
Don't you realize that a
majority of people who use self harm only use it as a coping strategy
for dealing with bigger health problems. Don't you realize that it is
not a 'free-will choice' thing.
I agree. My point is that the "root" of the problem is demonic. So yes, it
is a symptom of larger problems and is not in most cases a "free-will
choice" thing precisely because it is of demonic influence. It is unclean
spirits that drive man to mutilate himself. This is an ancient
practice...it is not anything new.
Most of us would use other coping
strategies if we had them. In fact, we would rather not have to feel
the need for extreme coping strategies at all.
Not all teenagers cut and, conversely, not all people who cut are
teenagers. Most people who cut are not doing so in order to provide
worship or gratification for others
Of course not! Most are likely unaware of the root cause of this obsession,
hence my posting of the article. I would in fact venture to say that most
demonic activity these days gets written off primarily as being
health/mental problems, when the cause is actually spiritual.
Some people are unfamiliar with demonic activity or see it as a rare,
extreme occurence. It is not. More people have demons than is realized.
Demons always express themselves in extreme behaviors, i.e. overeating,
perverse sexual activities, cigarette smoking, etc.
- they are merely trying to get
through the moment where they feel that they will simply die or
explode. I only ever cut when I was ill. I did it to 'snap myself out
of' a panic attack or to stop myself from getting into an increased
suicidal state.
I agree. But that is in itself the nature of a demon. Demons are
insatiable; they are disembodied spirits looking for an avenue of expression
and that is why they seek to indwell men. Yet, they have personalities, they
have desires, and this is why they want to use man - so that they have a way
to realize these desires.
This is why cutting brings relief. Not because there is anything inate in
the act of cutting itself, but because the demon with that desire has been
appeased...temporarily. But because demons are insatiable, the desire
doesn't goes away; in fact, the desire increases. It becomes a spiraling
abyss where in order to satiate the demon, you have to do more...and do it
more frequently. This is true for any demonic activity. What the medical
field may refer to as an "addiction" grows unabated because the demon is
actually being fed by the activity and is growing stronger, thereby
supressing more and more the personality of the person affected.
I tried prayer, breathing techniques, tranquillisers
and various suggestions given to me but cutting gave me an immediate
relief with as little damage as possible. I did not choose to do it- it
was a last resort!
I understand. Please don't feel as if I am attacking you, for I am not.
Neither am I blaming you for anything. You are not some strange case or
some anomoly because this has happened to you. There are many types of
demonic manifestations, but in our society, some are more "accepted" while
others are stigmatized.
Your predicament reinforces what I am saying. The only thing that will
remove the desire to self-mutilate is to be delivered from the demon that
has that desire.
I know this is not new to you, but consider the following:
"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the
tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs;
and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: because that he had been
often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder
by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs,
crying, and cutting himself with stones." (Mark 4:2-5)
There was nothing this community could do to help this man, and I am sure
you could imagine what personal torment he was in. Only by having those
demons cast out could he find peace and be restored.
Again, very few demonic activities are a matter of willful choice - even if
they start off that way. Once fed, the demon grows stronger and begins to
supplant the desires of the person it inhabits until it takes them over.
It had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with godesses.
Not for you, I agree that this is true. I believe you. However, that IS
the motivation of the demon which causes you to desire that act. Again, it
has nothing to do with you and what you believe, it has to do with that
unclean spirit and what it is attempting to do through you.
I
only believe in one God. I looked to Him for help, and I eventually got
it. I am well now. I do not self injure.
That is wonderful! I will re-emphasize however that the only remedy for
demonic activity is to have the demon cast out. If this has already been
the case for you, then I praise God for it!
But I certainly do not presume
to know all about everyones reasons for their mental health problems
and their coping strategies.
If you had told me 10 years ago how ill I
would be and the damage I would inflict upon myself, I would have told
you to go and get your head examined!
I am sure. :-) Yet, that is the way it is with demons. They get in
through open doors in your life, but they don't come in like a freight train
because then you would know their presence. Little by little, they try to
infuse their desires with yours until they are strong enough to supplant
your will altogether.
I had no understanding of mental
health problems until it happened to me. I'm glad that it is outwith
your experience and I pray that you will never have to understand
through experience. I wouldn't wish it on anyone! But if you do
experience it - I will try and be sympathetic and undertanding. I will
certainly not judge you and blame it on your sins!
That is a great approach. But beyond that, I pray that God give you the
power to cast out those demons. That is the only way you can truly help
those who may be going through this situation. I am sure it means the world
to them to know that you have been where they are and that they are not
alone, however, in the end, the seek a solution to the problem, and that
solution is Christ.
Please too, do be very careful about judging or blaming something on a
persons supposed sins. There are various ways that demons can gain access
to an individual's soul, and it is not always through sin on their part.
Unless God has given you a word of knowledge about an individual's life, one
should never assume how a demon has been able to afflict a person. We
should also seek God in prayer regarding any open doors in that person's
life which the demon has been using to gain access. This will ensure that
they are able to stay free of the demonic influence once it has been
dismissed.
The bottom line, is that Jesus has given us authority over unclean spirits,
to cast them out. Further, in His great love, He has shown us ways in which
these demons manifest, including this specific issue of cutting.
Praise God for His love and care.
God Bless!
Remnant wrote:
http://www.omegaministry.org/OT_January_2004_Gali.html
Return of the Galli
It does not take any special discernment to know that our youth are
being
transformed into a generation like the world has never seen before. The
attitudes, fashions, and deviant behavior of young people are like a dark
cloud that hangs over society as a witness. Everyone can see the fruit of
the tree, but what about the roots? What spiritual forces are compelling
young people to self-destruct through perverted sex, self-mutilation, and
mental instability? We will look at the spiritual heritage of these
forces
to gain some understanding about what is happening to today's youth.
The heart of the matter is a fallen angel who has purposed in his heart
to
pervert the patriarchal image of God. Instead of worshipping the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit, he replaced the image of a patriarch with that of a
matriarch. The result has been the bane of humanity since the fall of
Adam.goddess worship. We will focus on the Cult of the Mother Goddess
because it has had the most influence in this realm.
The mother goddess goes by many names depending on region and historic
era. Some of these names include Ishtar & Astarte (Babylon), Cybele &
Magna
Mater (Asia Minor), and Aphrodite (Greece). This goddess always has a
male
counterpart who goes by names like Tammuz, Attis, and Adonis. The myths
around the mother goddess and her male counterpart all have these basic
characteristics:
a.. The mother goddess is in authority
b.. She has conceived without sexual intercourse and is therefore
both a
mother and a virgin
c.. The male counterpart is in subjection or obedience to the mother
goddess
d.. The male counterpart is at some point, castrated
The priests who were responsible for the rituals of the mother goddess
during the Greco-Roman era were called Galli. All the Galli were eunuchs,
many times castrating themselves after dancing into a mad frenzy where
they
would also mutilate themselves with gashes and flagellation. Called Dies
Sanguinis or Bellona's Day, this time marked when Roman votaries of the
war-goddess cut themselves and drank the sacrificial blood to propitiate
the
deity. The castration was an identification with the emasculated male
counterpart of the mother goddess.
The Galli also wore women's clothing, long braided hair, and bore an
effeminate image to identify with the mother goddess as well. The worship
of
this goddess required sacred sexual rituals where the priests served as
"holy" catamites. Female priests served as sacred prostitutes and engaged
in
sexual acts that allowed them to identify with the mother god's virginal
status. Thus, oral and anal sex (an abomination to God the Father) was a
prominent part of their worship.
So what does this have to do with today's youth? Goddess worship is the
predominant form of idolatry in today's society. At every turn, women are
being exalted and worshipped while men are being spiritually castrated
and
subdued. These spirits have taken over every aspect of society from
politics
and government to arts and entertainment.
As a result, what used to be confined to temples of the mother goddess
has
permeated society to such a degree that the entire world has become a
temple
for the ***** of Babylon. If we compare characteristics of the priests
and
worshippers of these gods and goddesses, we find the same behaviors have
taken over the lives of people today.
Characteristics of the Worshippers of the mother goddess:
a.. Transgender
b.. Transvestites
c.. Homosexuals/Lesbians
d.. Effeminate Men
e.. Rampant Sexual Perversion (oral/anal sex, bestiality)
f.. Self-Mutilation (cuttings, piercings, tatoos)
Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
"Galli (singular Gallus) was the Roman name for castrated followers of
the
Phrygian goddess Cybele, which were regarded as a third gender by
contemporary Roman scholars, and are in some ways like transgendered
people
in the modern Western world. The chief of these priests was referred to
as
the archigallus...The Galli were castrated voluntarily, typically during
an
ecstatic celebration called Dies Sanguinis, or Day of Blood, which took
place on March 24." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli)
The only major difference is that today, many people worship these
demonic
entities ignorantly because they have been blinded by the god of this
world
to the truth. Isaiah 5:13 says, "My people are gone into captivity,
because
they have no knowledge.."
There are two manifestations of these invading forces that should be
noted. The first is the growing trend among young people who believe that
engaging in oral and anal sex still qualifies them as virgins. This lie
is a
direct descendent of the priestess rituals of goddess worship. It is very
real. These spirits have not gone anywhere! They are propagating the same
lies and deception they used centuries ago! Second is a disturbing
sub-culture among teens called "cutters." These young people habitually
use
razor blades, straight pins, and the like to slash and cut themselves.
This
is exactly what priest and priestesses did to worship the mother goddess.
Furthermore, even young heterosexual men adorn themselves with earrings,
necklaces, and other jewelry and braid their hair. Young women are turned
into "scared prostitutes" as young as eleven years old! We are standing
face
to face with the return of the Galli. This is the spirit that has taken
over
our youth. These demons have turned them into priests and priestesses:
worshippers of the mother goddess, the ***** of Babylon.
What is the solution? There is only one. The Spirit of Elijah. The Body
of
Christ must be filled with the Holy Ghost to have the power to do just as
Malachi 4:5 and 6 states, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet
before
the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn
the
heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to
the
fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
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| User: "yahu" |
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| Title: Re: Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
28 Nov 2006 09:16:02 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:06:20 GMT"Remnant" <remnant1@bellsouth.net> lost
the following message with
news:fnXah.20003$Q7.15124@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
<lyndseymcglynn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164717207.881359.137550@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Remnant - did you actually read my posts?
Hi Lyndsey,
Yes, I read your post.
But did you understand it?
Don't you realize that a
majority of people who use self harm only use it as a coping strategy
for dealing with bigger health problems. Don't you realize that it is
not a 'free-will choice' thing.
I agree. My point is that the "root" of the problem is demonic. So
The root of the problem is that it's a carryover from the Judaic mythology,
to be specific it's the result of the reduction of the oral traditions by
the elite's once they had returned from their unfulfilled Babylonian
dictation.
yes, it is a symptom of larger problems and is not in most cases a
"free-will choice" thing precisely because it is of demonic influence.
Exactly which demons are these pray tell, demons are very specific in what
sacrifice they will accept, if you believe in them that is.
It is unclean spirits that drive man to mutilate himself. This is an
ancient practice...it is not anything new.
Actually, you are in error. There are several reasons for this and the
first the false presumption that you hadn't guessed which god is the right
one out of over 25,000 choices. Of course, he had not been able to do
understand that because nobody taught you how to think and use your mind
when it came to mythology.
Blood was the supreme sacrifice for the early Judaic as well as Canaanite
society. It was the life force and nothing can be more sacred here on
earth.
We find that once the Babylonian vacation was over, the oral tradition
commenced to be written down and changed to suit the agenda of the writers.
We find this in the Deuteronomic legal texts, it also involves necromancy.
There were two things primarily involved, the cutting of oneself to show
grief for the dead, as well as the shaving/cutting of hair to express grief
for dead. Both of these tie in the necromancy as far as the ancients were
concerned.
These are the only rites of mourning that are prohibited under the
Deuteronomic law. That they had to alter previous tradition did not,
matter. That self laceration had been perfectly acceptable is attested to
in the book of Hosea, I believe in you may enjoy the verse for it is not in
elimination for the dead as much as the insincerity of Israel in performing
the rites.
Most of us would use other coping
strategies if we had them. In fact, we would rather not have to feel
the need for extreme coping strategies at all.
Being sidetracked here, depending on when this tragedy occurred in your
life, cutting yourself may have been the only option you had. Fortunately
for people today, there are other options that have a tendency to help many
if not all. Among them is a good psychiatrist who is willing dispense
medicine with the understanding that it's only to be used when needed and
not as a crutch. I have several amigos that have PTS, from Vietnam. Those
that had the good fortune to encounter a psychiatrist that would tell him
to take the medicine only as needed instead of every 12 hours are doing
rather well, and they are assisting those that did not have that good
fortune. There may well come a time when we may be able to block such
mental anguish with a simple genetic operation while the fetus is still
unformed. That is a less certain groups from the revealed gods of the
desert decide to object vigorously and convince the politicians that god
really wants this individual to suffer.
Not all teenagers cut and, conversely, not all people who cut are
teenagers. Most people who cut are not doing so in order to provide
worship or gratification for others
Of course not! Most are likely unaware of the root cause of this
obsession, hence my posting of the article. I would in fact venture
to say that most demonic activity these days gets written off
primarily as being health/mental problems, when the cause is actually
spiritual.
That may be because mostly problems are either based on real physical
problems or real mental problems in demons have nothing to do with it.
Some people are unfamiliar with demonic activity or see it as a rare,
extreme occurence. It is not. More people have demons than is
realized. Demons always express themselves in extreme behaviors, i.e.
overeating, perverse sexual activities, cigarette smoking, etc.
So demons are responsible for your bad habits? Exactly which demons were
these? You do realize that every demon is not necessarily a demon from
ancient folklore of quite frequently is a claim made against the gods of
other mythologies, which xianity, in some cases has exterminated. Or at
least they think these other mythologies have been exterminated.
- they are merely trying to get
through the moment where they feel that they will simply die or
explode. I only ever cut when I was ill. I did it to 'snap myself out
of' a panic attack or to stop myself from getting into an increased
suicidal state.
I agree. But that is in itself the nature of a demon. Demons are
Demons, as the word it was originally used came in three flavors. Those
that were against humanity, those that were for for humanity, as well as
those that didn't really give a damn.
insatiable; they are disembodied spirits looking for an avenue of
expression and that is why they seek to indwell men. Yet, they have
personalities, they have desires, and this is why they want to use man
- so that they have a way to realize these desires.
If they exist, you should be able to provide some supportive evidence.
Allow me to provide you with the names of some demons according to
xianianity. This will be a very incomplete list for aid would be a breach
of etiquette provide all of those names in a USENET post.
This is a consolidated list of various demonic, and their responsibilities.
Emperor Lucifer
Prime Minister Lucifuge Rofocale Agares , Bael , Marbas
King Bael 66 Legions
Queen Cali
Prince Ayperos 36 Legions
Princess Nahemah
Grand Chancellor Adramelech
Grand President Forcas 29 Legions
Grand President Caacrinolaas
Grand President Malphas 40 Legions
Grand Master Caym 30 Legions
Grand Duke of the East Agaures 31 Legions
Grand Duke of the West Astaroth
Grand Duke Zephar
Grand Duke Anizel
Grand Duke Aniguel
Grand Duke Alocer 36 Legions
Grand Duke Amduscias 29 Legions
Grand General {1st Legion} Satanachia Aamon , Barbatos , Pruscas
Grand General {2nd Legion} Agaliarept Botis , Buer , Gusyon
Lieutenant General Fleuretty Aligar , Bathym , Pursan
Brigidier General Sargatanas Forau , Loray , Valfar
Duke Haborym 26 Legions
Duke Valfar
Duke Scox
Count Furfur 26 Legions
Count Orias
Count Murmur
Marquis Andras 36 Legions
Marqios Naberus {also called Gerberus}
Marquis Aamon
Field Marshal Nebiros Ayphos , Naberus , Glasyalabolas
Commander Abanddon Locust
Commander Abigor 60 Legions
Commander Ronwe 19 Legions
Commander Leviathan Heretics
Commander Cassiel Spirits
Judge of the Shades Minos
Treasurer Astaroth
Chief Executioner of the Decrees of the Infernal Court of Lucifer
Alastor
Infernal Pleasures Kobal
Infernal Pleasures Nybras
Keeper of the Infernal Fires Ukoback
Keeper of the Infernal Fires Xaphan
Chief Cook Nysrock
Teacher of All Atrs and Sciences Glasyalabolas
Demon of Destruction Seddim
Demon of Lies Xezbeth
Causer of Nightmares Ephialtes
This is nowhere near close to being a complete list.
This is why cutting brings relief. Not because there is anything
inate in the act of cutting itself, but because the demon with that
desire has been appeased...temporarily. But because demons are
insatiable, the desire doesn't goes away; in fact, the desire
increases. It becomes a spiraling abyss where in order to satiate the
demon, you have to do more...and do it more frequently. This is true
for any demonic activity. What the medical field may refer to as an
Easy for you to say, now I see you provide some evidence, actual hard
concrete evidence and not just your opinion and opinions of those that
think like you.
"addiction" grows unabated because the demon is actually being fed by
the activity and is growing stronger, thereby supressing more and more
the personality of the person affected.
In other words, you presupposed that others have your fears. I strongly
recommend that you confine yourself to the xian mythology where people look
to you how wonderfully bright you are, and that on the head and send you on
your way.
I tried prayer, breathing techniques, tranquillisers
and various suggestions given to me but cutting gave me an immediate
relief with as little damage as possible. I did not choose to do it-
it was a last resort!
I understand. Please don't feel as if I am attacking you, for I am
not. Neither am I blaming you for anything. You are not some strange
case or some anomoly because this has happened to you. There are many
types of demonic manifestations, but in our society, some are more
"accepted" while others are stigmatized.
And those of us that did not except demons has been the root cause of the
anguish humans who feel for various reasons, instead of hitting our knees &
proving that prayer does not work, we donate to those who are trying to
find out why the problems exist and to eliminate it/them.
Your predicament reinforces what I am saying. The only thing that
will remove the desire to self-mutilate is to be delivered from the
demon that has that desire.
And you are just the person to tell him how it's done, right, go on, pull
the other finger.
I know this is not new to you, but consider the following:
Ignorance is never new. People seeking to get rid of their ignorance, on
the other hand, are not only new but refreshing.
"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out
of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among
the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: because
that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains
had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces:
neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in
the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with
stones." (Mark 4:2-5)
In the first place, the tombs being the residence of the dead were ritually
unclean in the first century Judea. Add to that, you are trying to quote a
book which has been verified as being erroneous in so many ways that it
would be embarrassing to call it a word of any god. You're also assuming
that everybody else accepts your blithe assumption that you know which were
talking about. They do not. In reality, no the first such a Jew would
willingly go near a tomb, which of course would include your missing hero
[s].
You can add to that, in spite of the xian complaining, the New Testament is
strictly an illegal work according to their primary god. One could say it
is a false Bible.
There was nothing this community could do to help this man, and I am
sure you could imagine what personal torment he was in. Only by
having those demons cast out could he find peace and be restored.
No, there was nothing the community could do to help the man for the man
probably never existed, works of fiction require fictional characters.
What will be certain is that he did not exist as they described in the xian
mythology.
Again, very few demonic activities are a matter of willful choice -
even if they start off that way. Once fed, the demon grows stronger
and begins to supplant the desires of the person it inhabits until it
takes them over.
Mental problems to the degree that a person seeks relief no matter how a
person gets it are based several factors, not the least is their upbringing
or they are taught that they are unworthy of growing the first breath it
would not even be here if you would like their gods wish to be adored.
Chemical imbalances can create similar circumstances, and today can be
located to a high degree. Unfortunately for psychiatry, some people are so
good at mimicing various mental problems, that those that seriously have a
problem are frequently overlooked.
It had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with godesses.
Not for you, I agree that this is true. I believe you. However, that
IS the motivation of the demon which causes you to desire that act.
Again, it has nothing to do with you and what you believe, it has to
do with that unclean spirit and what it is attempting to do through
you.
You really believe this nonsense don't you?
I
only believe in one God. I looked to Him for help, and I eventually
got it. I am well now. I do not self injure.
That is wonderful! I will re-emphasize however that the only remedy
for demonic activity is to have the demon cast out. If this has
already been the case for you, then I praise God for it!
But you were supposed to praise god for giving him the condition to start
with and he was never supposed to do fight it. That's your own mythology
speaking and frankly, I for one am glad he did fight and recovered his
mental health, or at least his mental stability.
But I certainly do not presume
to know all about everyones reasons for their mental health problems
and their coping strategies.
If you had told me 10 years ago how ill I
would be and the damage I would inflict upon myself, I would have
told you to go and get your head examined!
I am sure. :-) Yet, that is the way it is with demons. They get in
No, that is the way with people who cannot comprehend the real world and
are afraid of every shadow that they cannot see the cause for. It's rather
apparent that you are selective in your reading material, but then again
you have to be.
through open doors in your life, but they don't come in like a freight
train because then you would know their presence. Little by little,
they try to infuse their desires with yours until they are strong
enough to supplant your will altogether.
And yet, nobody has yet to identify one. Claim to have identified one,
yes. Actually identify one, no. But then you probably believe a Griffith
is real as well.
I had no understanding of mental
health problems until it happened to me. I'm glad that it is outwith
your experience and I pray that you will never have to understand
through experience. I wouldn't wish it on anyone! But if you do
experience it - I will try and be sympathetic and undertanding. I
will certainly not judge you and blame it on your sins!
But remember this, unfortunately, you are to give thanks for everything in
your life for this is the will of your god for you. I can look up the
exact verse if you so desire, but I cannot accept it as being anything that
I would find worthy of consideration. There are many things that are not
good but are part of life. That does not mean you or anybody else has to
suffer so good because some god is not paying attention or wants you to
suffer.
snip, talk about being long-winded with nothing to say.
yahu
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26 Nov 2006 05:03:06 PM |
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i don't think this was the point at all. The OP was making the point
that peeps who self harm are involved in the occult. This is claerly
wrong and the OP has still to apologise for making false judgements.
Most people who self harm would be very offended or angry at him making
up reasons for a behaviour that is misunderstood by so many.
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Midjis wrote:
X-no-archive: yes
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you look at horroscopes?
Do you get your fortune told?
Do you hang around people who do?
And do you know anyone who does? Do you know anyone who knows anyone
who does? You DO? Well, that's IT, then! It's all down to evil
demonic horoscopes!
Meanwhile, in the *real* world...
The point is so many times people that call themselves Christians on
one hand are doing their best to promote the occult on the other. The
author of Harry Potter packages witchcraft to young minds firing their
imagination then turns around and calls herself a Christian after
damaging these children minds. Playing with the devil will alow the
devil to play with you in whatever form it will take.
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26 Nov 2006 05:06:16 PM |
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lyndseymcgl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
i don't think this was the point at all. The OP was making the point
that peeps who self harm are involved in the occult. This is claerly
wrong and the OP has still to apologise for making false judgements.
Most people who self harm would be very offended or angry at him making
up reasons for a behaviour that is misunderstood by so many.
That would be the decent thing to do. As such it is beyond martus, who
exists in a parallel reality where he is always right, and the rest of
us are misguided fools desperately in need of his wisdom.
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22 Nov 2006 07:42:46 PM |
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lyndseymcglynn@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Martus - your post is a very narrow minded and uneducated post.
He's a very narrow-minded and uneducated person.
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21 Nov 2006 08:56:44 PM |
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martus wrote:
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
"One more thing. Stay away from the cutting, death, torture, and use of
dead physical things in occult practices. Why? If you work with
violence and dead physical things you attract it into your life. "
Mark 5
The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man
1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2When
Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil[b] spirit came from the
tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind
him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his
feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the
tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in
front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't
torture me!" 8For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you
evil spirit!"
9Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many." 10And he begged
Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
Sarah, The Teenage Witch... No Longer
By David Kithcart
The 700 Club
CBN.com - Many teens are intrigued by witchcraft. Hollywood feeds
that appetite with shows about young people involved in the occult.
Sarah Anne Sumpolec turned to witchcraft to give her power over her
life and the identity she was looking for.
"It began that search of something I had just been interested
in-the whole occult thing, seances and the Ouija board," Sarah Anne
says. "Growing up, those things that I maybe just dabbled in began to
turn very serious at a time in my life when I desperately needed more
than I had."
Sarah Anne considered herself a witch in high school.
She says, "I was a solitary practitioner. I felt like this was what I
was supposed to do. You're actually inviting spirits into your life.
I did that on multiple occasions. I believed in this idea of a spirit
guide."
The manifestations were eerie.
"It was more outward signs: things falling off the shelf by
themselves or hearing a ball rolling across the floor."
As she was drawn deeper into the occult, Sarah Anne says that she was
desperate for her life to change. Her "spirit guide" led her to
believe that there was only one way she could really experience change.
"I really felt like I was getting signs that, for my life to change,
I had to die," she explains. "In a physical sense, I had to
sacrifice my life. It was that idea that: if you let go of this, if you
sacrifice this, then you'll get a new start and you'll get a new
chance."
Sarah Anne says, "Satan confused me and deceived me into thinking
that I had to kill myself to receive that new life. Then I learned that
the truth was that Christ was asking for my whole life. He was asking
me to lay down my life -- not to kill myself -- but to lay down the
old ways, the old life, that old 'flesh person', so that He could make
me new."
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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22 Nov 2006 05:29:41 AM |
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martus wrote:
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
You don't "get involved" with it, you idiot. It's not a club. It's a
symptom of something far more complex than your cop-out,
no-brain-required excuse of 'demonic possession'.
This post would be worrying if you had the slightest shred of
credibility. Fortunately, most people here are going to be familiar
with the drooling gibberish you spew onto these groups so regularly.
I suggest you leave psychology to those who know more about it than
you. Which is a pretty wide field.
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