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21 Nov 2006 05:27:52 PM |
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Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
"One more thing. Stay away from the cutting, death, torture, and use of
dead physical things in occult practices. Why? If you work with
violence and dead physical things you attract it into your life. "
Mark 5
The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man
1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2When
Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil[b] spirit came from the
tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind
him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his
feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the
tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in
front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't
torture me!" 8For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you
evil spirit!"
9Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many." 10And he begged
Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| User: "Bill M" |
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21 Nov 2006 07:18:26 PM |
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"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164151672.247319.107640@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
"One more thing. Stay away from the cutting, death, torture, and use of
dead physical things in occult practices. Why? If you work with
violence and dead physical things you attract it into your life. "
Mark 5
The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man
1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2When
Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil[b] spirit came from the
tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind
him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his
feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the
tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in
front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't
torture me!" 8For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you
evil spirit!"
9Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many." 10And he begged
Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
But enticing people into the Christian cult is ok???
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| User: "torresD" |
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21 Nov 2006 07:23:07 PM |
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The problem is that while they
head towards their place of worship
they encounter women taking their
children to the adjacent health clinic.
Fearing that the rules of modesty will be broken,
lust will become rampant and the messiah will not come,
it was decided to impose complete segregation.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3330848,00.html
One sidewalk for men, one for women
Orthodox neighborhood of Beit
Shemesh segregates men and
women on streets
Chaim Levinson Published: 11.21.06, 13:09
After separating the sexes
in every possible place,
from beaches to busses,
the orthodox community is
taking a further step in its
quest for "disengagement."
The sidewalks on one of the main
streets in the orthodox neighborhood
of Beit Shemesh have been divided -
one for men and one for women.
During recent years,
a large orthodox community
has moved to Beit Shemesh.
The community has settled in
a new area of the city but is
gradually taking over older
parts as well.
The community comprises hundreds
of religious families who left the
Mea Sheraim neighborhood in Jerusalem
due to lack of housing.
Modesty
Operation 'cover up' / Chaim Levinson
Jerusalem pride parade struggle ends,
new struggle begins against tight clothing.
Members of the ethnic groups are very
strict about modesty and are taking
the entire orthodox community of Beit
Shemesh along with them.
They recently protested against
businesses at the commercial center
and demanded that proprietors hang up
signs ordering clientele to dress modestly.
When the Ha'meuchedet health clinic
refused to abide by this order a
public protest was held on the
streets.
In addition,
orthodox members are conducting
a violent protest against Egged busses,
arguing that they are not modest enough.
Two weeks ago they stoned a bus
carrying mixed passengers and the
driver was forced to fire into the
air to escape the crowd.
Oy Vey! Women!
Now their modesty initiatives
are reaching new heights.
There are several synagogues
in the Nachala Menucha neighborhood
where men flock to pray.
The problem is that while they
head towards their place of worship
they encounter women taking their
children to the adjacent health clinic.
Fearing that the rules of modesty will be broken,
lust will become rampant and the messiah will not come,
it was decided to impose complete segregation.
Women are permitted to walk on one
side of the sidewalk while men on the
other.
Signs have been posted on the men's
side of the street instructing women
to leave the sidewalk and to cross
over to their side:
"Women are instructed to
go to the other sidewalk,
not to pass by the synagogue,
and not to dawdle on the sidewalk
leading to the synagogue."
The sign includes an arrow directing
women to the other side of the street.
To add fuel to the fire,
during certain hours of the day
a synagogue custodian is stationed
outside to make sure the rules are
adhered to.
The orthodox community's activities
are stirring up rage among the secular
residents of Beit Shemesh.
"They are putting up illegal signs,
running wild and throwing stones,"
one of the residents said Monday,
"and no one is doing anything to prevent this.
The municipality and the police are powerless."
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: Cutting, a sign of demonic influence! |
21 Nov 2006 07:15:40 PM |
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"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164151672.247319.107640@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
I used to run a peer counseling group for cutters - generally speaking, most
cutters are female and the most common trait is a history of sexual abuse -
not necessarily an occult background. Consciously or subconsiously, it is a
female's way of attempting to make herself less attractive. Spiritually,
it's a symbol of mourning.
<snip>
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
The author of the Harry Potter books is a Christian and the books themselves
are simply a re-telling of the classic hero myth - the same plot skeleton as
Rambo and many other books and movies.
--
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Midjis" |
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22 Nov 2006 05:38:56 AM |
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SongBookz wrote:
I used to run a peer counseling group for cutters - generally speaking, most
cutters are female and the most common trait is a history of sexual abuse -
not necessarily an occult background. Consciously or subconsiously, it is a
female's way of attempting to make herself less attractive. Spiritually,
it's a symbol of mourning.
And this isn't much better than "it's demonic possession". YOU ran a
counselling group? Most cutters might be female, but it's not an
exclusively female problem: a lot of males don't disclose it precisely
because they're led to believe it's a "girly" thing to do. Sexual
abuse might be a factor, yes - as it *might* be a factor in all sorts
of psychological problems - but there are potentially as many different
'causes' as there are cases.
Your last two statements are no better than martus'. Nice, easy,
sweeping generalisations that, while no doubt applicable in a scattered
few cases, don't necessarily fit all sizes as you seem to imply.
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| User: "" |
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21 Nov 2006 11:15:16 PM |
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SongBookz wrote:
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164151672.247319.107640@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
I used to run a peer counseling group for cutters - generally speaking, most
cutters are female and the most common trait is a history of sexual abuse -
not necessarily an occult background. Consciously or subconsiously, it is a
female's way of attempting to make herself less attractive. Spiritually,
it's a symbol of mourning.
Most who practise witchcraft are female and the blood letting enhances
their spells in the pursuit of their spirituality. Playing the victim
card, whether true or not, gains sympathy so that the evil they do and
influence on others can be put down to them being a victim.
The underlying problem is their inability to forgive so they seek
revenge in whatever manner they can. Revenge never heals the person
only forgiving does, the only thing revenge achieves is the destruction
of the individual and those caught up in it.
Hell will be full of these people that have brought about so much evil
by there unforgiveness.
Matthew 6:14-15 (New International Version)
14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly
Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their
sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
The author of the Harry Potter books is a Christian and the books themselves
are simply a re-telling of the classic hero myth - the same plot skeleton as
Rambo and many other books and movies.
Matthew 7
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will
recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from
thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree
bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree
cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is
cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will
recognize them.
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| User: "" |
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22 Nov 2006 06:01:24 PM |
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Martus - your post is a very narrow minded and uneducated post. People
do not necessarily cut because they are into witchcraft and to suggest
such a thing is putting yourself in grave danger of being judged as you
are judging others. People cut for a variety of reasons and the main
one is that they suffer from mental health problems - illness. People
who self harm also come from many backgrounds and hold a variety of
beliefs inclucing Christianity like yourself. I am a Christian and have
been since I was 14. I am totally against occult and witch craft. This
did not, however, exempt me from mental health problems. Self harm was
used as a coping strategy. Physical pain took my mind off mental pain
and cutting was often an effective way of stopping panic attacks. I
always inflicted just enough to take away thoughts of 'nothingness' and
without that outlet, I may well have killed myself.
Now that I am well and off meds, I find it very hard to imagine
feeling so bad that self harm was helpful to me. When I think of how I
was when I was ill, I know with 100% certainty that I was not
'unchristian' but, rather, my brain was ill. I needed meds, therapy and
support to get well again. It was not demons, but a chemical imbalance
exacerbated by negative thoughts and environmental situations that
caused me to be ill. It can happen to anybody but I would not wish it
on anyone. There is NO WAY that you can fully understand until you have
been there and experienced it. You can try and attribute reasons and
blame but, at the end of the day, you are merely philosophising about
something outwith your experience.
By the way, I am not a teenager , in fact, I haven't been a teen for
13 years. I have never participated in occultic practices. Finally, I'm
not into dead stuff either and never have been. I was just plain ill.
martus wrote:
Seems more people, teens especially, are get involved with cutting
themselves and it seems linked to their occultic practises, below quote
is from an occult newsgroup, this person has noticed this also and
warns against it,
"One more thing. Stay away from the cutting, death, torture, and use of
dead physical things in occult practices. Why? If you work with
violence and dead physical things you attract it into your life. "
Mark 5
The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man
1They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2When
Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil[b] spirit came from the
tombs to meet him. 3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind
him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his
feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the
tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in
front of him. 7He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want
with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't
torture me!" 8For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you
evil spirit!"
9Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many." 10And he begged
Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
And they wish to entice the younger generation into the occult through
films such as Harry Potter?
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| User: "" |
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23 Nov 2006 05:40:02 PM |
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wrote:
Martus - your post is a very narrow minded and uneducated post. People
do not necessarily cut because they are into witchcraft and to suggest
such a thing is putting yourself in grave danger of being judged as you
are judging others. People cut for a variety of reasons and the main
one is that they suffer from mental health problems - illness. People
who self harm also come from many backgrounds and hold a variety of
beliefs inclucing Christianity like yourself. I am a Christian and have
been since I was 14. I am totally against occult and witch craft. This
did not, however, exempt me from mental health problems. Self harm was
used as a coping strategy. Physical pain took my mind off mental pain
and cutting was often an effective way of stopping panic attacks. I
always inflicted just enough to take away thoughts of 'nothingness' and
without that outlet, I may well have killed myself.
Now that I am well and off meds, I find it very hard to imagine
feeling so bad that self harm was helpful to me. When I think of how I
was when I was ill, I know with 100% certainty that I was not
'unchristian' but, rather, my brain was ill. I needed meds, therapy and
support to get well again. It was not demons, but a chemical imbalance
exacerbated by negative thoughts and environmental situations that
caused me to be ill. It can happen to anybody but I would not wish it
on anyone. There is NO WAY that you can fully understand until you have
been there and experienced it. You can try and attribute reasons and
blame but, at the end of the day, you are merely philosophising about
something outwith your experience.
By the way, I am not a teenager , in fact, I haven't been a teen for
13 years. I have never participated in occultic practices. Finally, I'm
not into dead stuff either and never have been. I was just plain ill.
I am glad you are better and hopefully closer to God.
Just some questions.
Do you look at horroscopes?
Do you get your fortune told?
Do you hang around people who do?
The negative energy you encountered was not from God and even
Christians can be attacked by the devil. Look at Peter who was close to
Jesus, even he was under the influence of the devil for a period.
Matthew 16:22-24 (New International Version)
22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said.
"This shall never happen to you!"
23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a
stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but
the things of men."
24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he
must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| User: "" |
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24 Nov 2006 05:59:47 PM |
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In answer to your questions, No,No and No again!
You are right that the negative experiences I had were not from God,
they were merely a symptom of illness in the same way as breathlessness
is a symptom of athsma. I have certainly never involved myself with
horoscopes or fortune telling as my future will become clear enough in
good time. In fact , for the depressed, there is no future. Thats what
depressed people believe. (Albeit an errinous belief)
Please refrain from publishing untruths about self harming because it
is clear that you have little or no understanding of what it is and the
causes of it. For that you should be thankful! Your comments could be
harmful to people who are currently in a state which makes them
susceptable to self harm. Depressed people have very low opinions of
themselves and it wuld be esy for your comments to cause self
reflection in a negative light. ie. if you tell a depressed person that
they are bad they will, more than likely, agree with you and deal
themselves a really hard time ---leading to ----you guessed it --- self
harm to take their focus off how bad they are.
It was the grace of God that kept me alive during the dark days. I soo
wanted there to be nothingness. I wanted to switch out the lights and
for there to be no more pain. But I knew that nothingness was not
possible so I stayed alive. And now ..... I know for certainty that I
am glad to be alive and I enjoy the challenges that each new day
brings. I am glad to be well!
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
I am glad you are better and hopefully closer to God.
Just some questions.
Do you look at horroscopes?
Do you get your fortune told?
Do you hang around people who do?
The negative energy you encountered was not from God and even
Christians can be attacked by the devil. Look at Peter who was close to
Jesus, even he was under the influence of the devil for a period.
Matthew 16:22-24 (New International Version)
22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said.
"This shall never happen to you!"
23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a
stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but
the things of men."
24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he
must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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| User: "Midjis" |
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23 Nov 2006 07:02:03 PM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you look at horroscopes?
Do you get your fortune told?
Do you hang around people who do?
And do you know anyone who does? Do you know anyone who knows anyone
who does? You DO? Well, that's IT, then! It's all down to evil
demonic horoscopes!
Meanwhile, in the *real* world...
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| User: "" |
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23 Nov 2006 07:29:52 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
X-no-archive: yes
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you look at horroscopes?
Do you get your fortune told?
Do you hang around people who do?
And do you know anyone who does? Do you know anyone who knows anyone
who does? You DO? Well, that's IT, then! It's all down to evil
demonic horoscopes!
Meanwhile, in the *real* world...
The point is so many times people that call themselves Christians on
one hand are doing their best to promote the occult on the other. The
author of Harry Potter packages witchcraft to young minds firing their
imagination then turns around and calls herself a Christian after
damaging these children minds. Playing with the devil will alow the
devil to play with you in whatever form it will take.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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24 Nov 2006 04:52:41 AM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
The point is so many times people that call themselves Christians on
one hand are doing their best to promote the occult on the other.
No, the *point* is that you're holding forth about a difficult (and
relatively common) psychological symptom as though you know the first
thing about it, when it's perfectly obvious you haven't a clue.
The author of Harry Potter packages witchcraft to young minds
Crap. Just as it was the last time frothing fundies tried to pretend
this was the case. I'm no fan of Rowling - as far as I'm concerned the
whole Harry Potter phenomenon has been little more than derivative
books and hype, but you can't argue with the sales figures, I guess.
Even so, there's nothing anti-Christian in those books - not a thing.
They don't address the issue at all, as far as I'm aware. There again,
I once attended a church whose elders once lectured us, in all
seriousness, on the demonic nature of the Flower Fairies and, if you
can believe it, Smurfs. So I know there are some religious nuts (as
distinct from your common-or-garden religious people) who don't
understand the basic differences between what's real (allowing for the
sake of argument that God is) and what's fiction.
Obviously, I didn't take them any more seriously then than I take you
now. On the other hand, it was this lecture that played a major part
in instilling the doubts that later led to me leaving the church. But
it's important to realise that it wasn't the Smurfs or the fairies
themselves that helped finish off my Christianity - it was the church
leaders: those who were supposedly fierce defenders of Christian
values. It was the fact that the church leaders would rather spend
time messing around with fairies in storybooks than dealing with issues
of relevance.
Similarly, your fixation on Harry Potter as a manfestation of evil
tells me only one thing (albeit something I already knew): you're not
equipped to deal with the real world. Therefore your lectures are
meaningless.
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24 Nov 2006 04:04:56 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
X-no-archive: yes
marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
The point is so many times people that call themselves Christians on
one hand are doing their best to promote the occult on the other.
No, the *point* is that you're holding forth about a difficult (and
relatively common) psychological symptom as though you know the first
thing about it, when it's perfectly obvious you haven't a clue.
The author of Harry Potter packages witchcraft to young minds
Crap. Just as it was the last time frothing fundies tried to pretend
this was the case. I'm no fan of Rowling - as far as I'm concerned the
whole Harry Potter phenomenon has been little more than derivative
books and hype, but you can't argue with the sales figures, I guess.
Even so, there's nothing anti-Christian in those books - not a thing.
They don't address the issue at all, as far as I'm aware. There again,
I once attended a church whose elders once lectured us, in all
seriousness, on the demonic nature of the Flower Fairies and, if you
can believe it, Smurfs. So I know there are some religious nuts (as
distinct from your common-or-garden religious people) who don't
understand the basic differences between what's real (allowing for the
sake of argument that God is) and what's fiction.
Obviously, I didn't take them any more seriously then than I take you
now. On the other hand, it was this lecture that played a major part
in instilling the doubts that later led to me leaving the church. But
it's important to realise that it wasn't the Smurfs or the fairies
themselves that helped finish off my Christianity - it was the church
leaders: those who were supposedly fierce defenders of Christian
values. It was the fact that the church leaders would rather spend
time messing around with fairies in storybooks than dealing with issues
of relevance.
Similarly, your fixation on Harry Potter as a manfestation of evil
tells me only one thing (albeit something I already knew): you're not
equipped to deal with the real world. Therefore your lectures are
meaningless.
Anyone that packages witchcraft ie playing with the demonic is not
doing God's will and it is immaterial how much money they make from it.
Judas was bought for 30 pieces of silver, Rowling for millions and you
because you did not like the people in the church.
While their is breath there is hope that you will still turn to God.
Philippians 3
Pressing on Toward the Goal
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made
perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus
took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken
hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining
toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for
which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
15All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if
on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to
you. 16Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
17Join with others in following my example, brothers, and take note of
those who live according to the pattern we gave you. 18For, as I have
often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as
enemies of the cross of Christ. 19Their destiny is destruction, their
god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is
on earthly things. 20But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly
await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power
that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform
our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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24 Nov 2006 07:35:12 PM |
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wrote:
[snip] Bible quotes [/snip]
Have you stoned your child to death, lately? god orders you to!
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
21:18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey
the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that,
when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring
him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his
place;
21:20
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is
stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a
glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he
die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
shall hear, and fear.
(All of it, KJB, of course)
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wg2k - beefcake!
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25 Nov 2006 12:32:55 PM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Anyone that packages witchcraft ie playing with the demonic is not
doing God's will and it is immaterial how much money they make from it.
Judas was bought for 30 pieces of silver, Rowling for millions and you
because you did not like the people in the church.
Really? Well, now that's just fascinating. Would you like to explain
to me then why I still keep in touch and remain on good terms with many
of them?
Of course you wouldn't. For a fanatic such as yourself, there's no
reality other than the one inside their head.
While their is breath there is hope that you will still turn to God.
Not your God. Never your God.
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25 Nov 2006 09:28:34 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Anyone that packages witchcraft ie playing with the demonic is not
doing God's will and it is immaterial how much money they make from it.
Judas was bought for 30 pieces of silver, Rowling for millions and you
because you did not like the people in the church.
Really? Well, now that's just fascinating. Would you like to explain
to me then why I still keep in touch and remain on good terms with many
of them?
Of course you wouldn't. For a fanatic such as yourself, there's no
reality other than the one inside their head.
While their is breath there is hope that you will still turn to God.
Not your God. Never your God.
There is only one God.
The God of the sheep is Jesus and the fallen angel of the goats is
Satan or Baphomet as Satan is known to the Goats. The sheep and goats
mingle together for now but the time will come when they will be
separated. Worshipping the goat angel is done simply by rebelling
against God and walking in Satan's footsteps.
Matt25
The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with
him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations
will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from
another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put
the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are
blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for
you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me
something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I
was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you
clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you
came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you
hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When
did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and
clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit
you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for
one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and
you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite
me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in
prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty
or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help
you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for
one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to
eternal life."
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26 Nov 2006 07:41:33 AM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Not your God. Never your God.
There is only one God.
From the point of view of a monotheist, that's an obvious statement.
However, I'm not a monotheist, and therefore your God is nothing to do
with me. Even if He proved to be real, I sincerely hope that, when
judgement came, I would have the strength of will to reject HIm, as
such a monstrous creature deserves to be rejected by those He makes
suffer for His entertainment.
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| User: "Remnant" |
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27 Nov 2006 04:26:26 PM |
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http://www.omegaministry.org/OT_January_2004_Gali.html
Return of the Galli
It does not take any special discernment to know that our youth are being
transformed into a generation like the world has never seen before. The
attitudes, fashions, and deviant behavior of young people are like a dark
cloud that hangs over society as a witness. Everyone can see the fruit of
the tree, but what about the roots? What spiritual forces are compelling
young people to self-destruct through perverted sex, self-mutilation, and
mental instability? We will look at the spiritual heritage of these forces
to gain some understanding about what is happening to today's youth.
The heart of the matter is a fallen angel who has purposed in his heart to
pervert the patriarchal image of God. Instead of worshipping the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit, he replaced the image of a patriarch with that of a
matriarch. The result has been the bane of humanity since the fall of
Adam.goddess worship. We will focus on the Cult of the Mother Goddess
because it has had the most influence in this realm.
The mother goddess goes by many names depending on region and historic
era. Some of these names include Ishtar & Astarte (Babylon), Cybele & Magna
Mater (Asia Minor), and Aphrodite (Greece). This goddess always has a male
counterpart who goes by names like Tammuz, Attis, and Adonis. The myths
around the mother goddess and her male counterpart all have these basic
characteristics:
a.. The mother goddess is in authority
b.. She has conceived without sexual intercourse and is therefore both a
mother and a virgin
c.. The male counterpart is in subjection or obedience to the mother
goddess
d.. The male counterpart is at some point, castrated
The priests who were responsible for the rituals of the mother goddess
during the Greco-Roman era were called Galli. All the Galli were eunuchs,
many times castrating themselves after dancing into a mad frenzy where they
would also mutilate themselves with gashes and flagellation. Called Dies
Sanguinis or Bellona's Day, this time marked when Roman votaries of the
war-goddess cut themselves and drank the sacrificial blood to propitiate the
deity. The castration was an identification with the emasculated male
counterpart of the mother goddess.
The Galli also wore women's clothing, long braided hair, and bore an
effeminate image to identify with the mother goddess as well. The worship of
this goddess required sacred sexual rituals where the priests served as
"holy" catamites. Female priests served as sacred prostitutes and engaged in
sexual acts that allowed them to identify with the mother god's virginal
status. Thus, oral and anal sex (an abomination to God the Father) was a
prominent part of their worship.
So what does this have to do with today's youth? Goddess worship is the
predominant form of idolatry in today's society. At every turn, women are
being exalted and worshipped while men are being spiritually castrated and
subdued. These spirits have taken over every aspect of society from politics
and government to arts and entertainment.
As a result, what used to be confined to temples of the mother goddess has
permeated society to such a degree that the entire world has become a temple
for the ***** of Babylon. If we compare characteristics of the priests and
worshippers of these gods and goddesses, we find the same behaviors have
taken over the lives of people today.
Characteristics of the Worshippers of the mother goddess:
a.. Transgender
b.. Transvestites
c.. Homosexuals/Lesbians
d.. Effeminate Men
e.. Rampant Sexual Perversion (oral/anal sex, bestiality)
f.. Self-Mutilation (cuttings, piercings, tatoos)
Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
"Galli (singular Gallus) was the Roman name for castrated followers of the
Phrygian goddess Cybele, which were regarded as a third gender by
contemporary Roman scholars, and are in some ways like transgendered people
in the modern Western world. The chief of these priests was referred to as
the archigallus...The Galli were castrated voluntarily, typically during an
ecstatic celebration called Dies Sanguinis, or Day of Blood, which took
place on March 24." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli)
The only major difference is that today, many people worship these demonic
entities ignorantly because they have been blinded by the god of this world
to the truth. Isaiah 5:13 says, "My people are gone into captivity, because
they have no knowledge.."
There are two manifestations of these invading forces that should be
noted. The first is the growing trend among young people who believe that
engaging in oral and anal sex still qualifies them as virgins. This lie is a
direct descendent of the priestess rituals of goddess worship. It is very
real. These spirits have not gone anywhere! They are propagating the same
lies and deception they used centuries ago! Second is a disturbing
sub-culture among teens called "cutters." These young people habitually use
razor blades, straight pins, and the like to slash and cut themselves. This
is exactly what priest and priestesses did to worship the mother goddess.
Furthermore, even young heterosexual men adorn themselves with earrings,
necklaces, and other jewelry and braid their hair. Young women are turned
into "scared prostitutes" as young as eleven years old! We are standing face
to face with the return of the Galli. This is the spirit that has taken over
our youth. These demons have turned them into priests and priestesses:
worshippers of the mother goddess, the ***** of Babylon.
What is the solution? There is only one. The Spirit of Elijah. The Body of
Christ must be filled with the Holy Ghost to have the power to do just as
Malachi 4:5 and 6 states, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before
the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the
heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to the
fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
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27 Nov 2006 06:21:45 PM |
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Only until just recently have I thought that Satan and Lucifer are the
same angel but they are not according to scripture.
Satan was Eve's angel and Lucifer was Adam's angel till the rebellion,
Lucifer is locked up in hell for creating the half angel/half human
hybrids that are now know as demons because they no longer have a body.
Satan who is worshipped as the goddess is free and is the only reason
this fallen female angel has dominance over the male counterpart as
Lucifer the male angel has been locked up in hell.
XVI ANGELS
Table of Contents
Creation of Angels
Satan
Lucifer
Demons
Pagan gods
Jesus frees us from Hades
Conclusion
Creation of
the Angels!
Gen 2: 7
God breathed into the first man an angel/spirit, thereby creating Adam
in God's image. In no other creature except mankind does God breathe
into, although alive, the rest of creation does not have their own
personal angels, their own breath of the divine Spirit.
Gen 2:25
Adam and Eve were naked before they fell and they were not ashamed.
Gen 3:7-8
After the fall they did there best to cover up, hiding and wearing fig
leaves. So what had changed? They were bare in a spiritual way in that
they no longer had their angels. They no longer shone with the glory of
God. If it was a case of just being naked it should of been sufficient
enough to walk around covered but they also hid so God could not see
them at all.
Matt 17: 1-2
Jesus shone with that glory.
Exo 34:29-35
Moses also shone with the glory of God.
Satan was
Eve's Angel!
Gen 3:1-5
It is the serpent that convinces Eve to eat from the tree of good and
evil thereby corrupting her nature because of evil.
Rev 12:7- 9
This serpent is identified as the fallen angel Satan; this was Eve's
angel with her in the garden. It is also interesting in Jewish
mythology there is an account of Lilith who was supposed to be Adam's
first wife but she rebelled and flew away so God made Eve. This Lilith
sounds more like an angel then a person and to be more precise Satan
who convinces Eve to corrupt her nature so that Satan gains
independence from Eve.
Zech 5:5-11
Mankind is referred to in the masculine sense but includes females and
I feel that Angels are also referred to in the masculine sense even
though it also includes feminine angels as well (although angels can
take any form they wish e.g. Satan in snake form). Satan is referred to
in the masculine sense but was the angel of Eve.
Zechariah clearly states that the woman in the basket is responsible
for the sins of everybody in the land and Rev 12:7-9 states that Satan
deceives the whole world into sinning. Satan and this woman called
Wickedness are one and the same i.e responsible for the sin of the
world. Then two female angels take this woman angel to Babylon.
It is interesting that the Mel Gibson movie "The Passion" had the
female Satan running around in the background with that baby in her
arms. The nature of Satan is to tempt people to sin, and then Satan
spends time with God nagging God how bad mankind is after mankind has
fallen into sin.
Job 1:6-7
Satan is free for now to go where this fallen angel wishes.
Rev 12:7-12
Eventually Satan will be locked out of heaven and will destroy the
godless through godless men.
2 Thes2:6-10
Evil is continually getting worse as rebellion against God increases.
Satan will use an evil man (the Antichrist) to bring destruction on the
world when the Restrainer (God's Holy Spirit, Michael) moves out of the
way and lets those who love evil have their way and destroy each other
chiefly brought about by this Antichrist.
2 Cor4:3-4
Satan blinds the godless (by their love of evil) to God.
Rev 20:1-10
After the destruction of the godless by the godless incited by Satan,
Satan is locked up for 1000 years during the reign of Christ on earth.
Satan is again allowed to tempt people to sin for a little while and
then this fallen angel is thrown into the lake of fire for good.
Abaddon/Lucifer was
Adam's Angel!
Gen 3:6
Adam's angel also gained independence from Adam because Eve tempted
Adam and he corrupted himself with evil also by eating the fruit
offered by Eve.
Isa 14:12-15
Lucifer is thrown into hell (Adam's fallen angel) who among other
things wanted to set up a rival kingdom to God's by force, while
Satan on the other hand is more the seducer.
Luke 10:17-19
Most bible version translate these verses as Jesus seeing Satan being
thrown down from heaven but as shown above Satan can go wherever this
feminine fallen angel wishes including heaven. Jesus saw Lucifer thrown
out of heaven and the word "Adversary" is used instead of "Satan" in
the Young's literal translation. Lucifer was God's Adversary till this
fallen angel was thrown into hell and it is no wonder these demons were
afraid of the disciples of Jesus as they saw what happened to their
fathers, the fallen angels, who are all locked up in hell.
Eze 28: 11-19
It is interesting that the above bible passage says Lucifer was perfect
till wickedness was found in him and Zechariah 5:5-11 states that the
female angel in the basket was called Wickedness. Seems like Adam's
angel Lucifer became corrupt after Eve was taken from Adam and Satan
(Wickedness) from Lucifer in that divide.
The once perfect Lucifer became full of himself and spread violence,
rebellious to God and polluted the spiritual and physical realms. So
God cast him to earth, and to be more precise the bowels of the earth,
hell. Satan on the other hand was never perfect as 1 John3:8 states
that the Devil was sinning from the beginning.
Rev 9:11
Lucifer in hell, is now known as Abaddon, Apollyon (and seems to be in
Jewish legends as the fallen angel Samauel) is the king fallen angel of
the bottomless pit.
Jude1: 6
Those angels that left their plane of existence and interfered in
mankind's were locked up.
Rev 12:3-10
One third of the angels will rebel with Satan (the third of the stars
thrown to earth in the future) and at a guess I would say that another
third of the angels are locked up in hell with Lucifer which seems to
be directly linked to how many of mankind will also rebel.
Zec13:8-9
Only one third of mankind will follow God, two thirds of mankind will
rebel against God.
Rom2:12-16
Hearing God's Word doesn't save, it is by doing it and those who have
never heard God's Word will be judged by their consciences when we all
stand before Jesus.
Matt 7:13-14
Only through Jesus can anybody get to heaven and so many will walk the
path to hell.
Rev 20:14-15
Hell, death and anyone not written in God's book of life will go into
the lake of fire.
Demons
Gen 6:4
Lucifer and His angels created the demons in the time before the floods
of Noah. Demons are the children of the union of the fallen angels and
womankind creating the powerful warriors of long ago, who although
their bodies were destroyed by the flood, are still with us in spirit
form. Notice also in that verse they are called the sons of God i.e.
men angels.
The reason why demons wish to co-habitat with humans as they once
themselves possessed bodies and can not do the evil they wish to do
without one.
2 Pet 2:4-5
Those fallen angels (probably all the male fallen angels) who created
these demon children from womankind were locked up in hell for
producing these demons but the other fallen angels are still free for
now, e.g. Satan and her fallen angels. This world before the floods of
Noah was known as the ancient world where fallen angels and their
demonic children ruled before it was wiped out by the floods starting
afresh with Noah and his family.
Luke 9:42
Demons are also called unclean spirits.
Acts 16:16-18
Demons prefer to posses/live in agreeable godless humans and are
usually the power behind the spells in those that follow the occult
e=2Eg. fortune telling.
2 Cori 11:14
While on the other hand Satan and her fallen angels usually pose as
angels of lights, gods, goddesses or even the virgin Mary to delude
people away from God. Spells, whether the people who use them realize
it or not, are always to demons or rebellious angels who may grant
these people their request.
Giant Asian Ape and Humans Coexisted, Might Have Interacted
A German paleontologist discovered Gigantopithecus in 1935 when he
picked up a strange, heavy tooth in a Chinese apothecary. It was
labeled as a dragon tooth. "We're sort of dealing with the mystery
ape," said Rick Potts, a paleoanthropologist with the Smithsonian
Institution in Washington, D.C. "We know so little about
Gigantopithecus, largely because its [remains consist of only] three
mandibles [jaw bones] and hundreds of teeth," he said. Gigantopithecus
fossils that are 7 or 8 million years old have been found in modern-day
India and Pakistan. Remains less than 2 million years old, meanwhile,
have turned up in China and Southeast Asia. Given the limited fossil
record, scientists debate how the ape evolved, when it died out, and
precisely how big it was. "There's this mythology that arose, largely
because of the name, that it's got to be huge," Potts said. "Some
people say, Oh, geez, it must have stood seven feet [two meters] tall."
University of Iowa paleoanthropologist Russell L. Ciochon thinks it was
even larger.
[Although they represent those fossil remains as a huge ape, it does
not necessarily portray an accurate representation. The bible talks
about giant humanoid creatures called the Nephilim, more human than
ape.]
We know that only Noah and his family were saved out of the floods so
the Nephilim (the cross between angels and mankind) must of all been
wiped out. I put it to you that these Nephilim are what we call the
"Neanderthals" of today for these reasons and they are:
1) That both man and nephilim co-existed at the same time but man now
exist alone, God created man, man didn't evolve from this or any other
missing link.
2) The Neanderthals had a bigger brain cavity in their skulls than man
but scientist have concluded that they must of been less intelligent
because they were wiped out and man was not, but this was only due to
God preserving mankind through Noah and his family.
3) The Neanderthals bone density is greater than man's and some
scientists have concluded that they were the far stronger of the two
which would make them these hero's of old, men of renown (due to
strength as well as intelligence?). Other bible translations call them
giants and warriors of renown.
Cloning the Neanderthals
One verse from Esdras (one of the books not included into the bible for
one reason or another) and two translations of Nostradamus' predictions
are very interesting concerning these evil spirits and their desire for
possessing bodies once again. With modern advances in cloning
technology it seems it is only a matter of time before the
Neanderthal/Nephilim will be brought back into existence, birthed by
fertile women, giving the demonic owner of that body a chance to exist
in the physical world with it's own body instead of having to share
one.
2 Esdras 5:8
There shall be chaos also in many places, fire shall often break out,
the wild animals shall roam beyond their haunts, and menstruous women
shall bring forth monsters. (From the Harpes Collins study bible with
the apocryphal/deuterocanonical books included)
Century 1-quatrain91
The gods will arrive in the 'guise of humans', And they will be the
cause of great conflict. Before, the sky was seen to be free of arms.
The greatest damage will be caused in the west. (From 'Nostradamus The
Prophecies' by J.Anderson Black)
Century 2-quatrain45
Too much the heavens weep for the Androgyny procreation, Near the
heavens human blood shed: Because of death, too late, a great people
re-created, Late and soon comes the awaited help. (From 'Nostradamus
The Complete Prophecies' by John Hogue)
Look at what Esdra is predicting for the end times and that is
'menstruous women (fertile women) shall bring forth monsters'. Then
Nostradamus is predicting in Century 1-quatrain91 that 'the gods will
arrive in the guise of humans' and what is a human clone but a soulless
human body ready for the gods (the evil spirits) to occupy. If you lost
a part of your body would you expect it to start moving about on its
own accord? Of course not, so what is a human clone but a lump of
re-created flesh in the form of somebody's human body and if it moves,
then animated by evil spirits. The second quatrain says, "The Androgyny
procreation and a great people 're-created'" and the Bible mentions
these great people that were the children of the fallen angels and
women before they were all wiped out by the floods in Noah's time.
These demons even within a human body display superhuman strength as
shown in Mark 5:4 where the possessed man snapped chains that bound
him, just think how much more stronger they would be in their original
bodies.
The presence of these demons has been seen throughout mankind's history
especially by those that willing allow them into their bodies. A few
prime examples would be in voodoo where the person says that a spirit
takes over there bodies, mediums that talk to the dead (demons in
reality), demon possessed people and people with familiar spirits. Some
not so obvious examples are when people are put under hypnosis and can
be made to act out of character and while under hypnosis have so called
memories of past lives while the demon is in control of that person's
body also another not so obvious example is of people being abducted by
aliens (most have their souls tormented by demons for a while).
Note that demons have been around for at least 3000 years (before the
great flood of Noah's day) and have inhabited countless human lives
after the floods because they no longer have bodies of their own. This
explains all these past lives people believe to be their own which in
reality, is the life memories of these demons that inhabit them.
The intelligence level of these demon clones far outstrips mans and if
your final destination is Hell then maybe you won't have too much to
worry about for awhile. The last part of the second quatrain says that
late and soon comes the awaited help which is probably God (Jesus) who
takes out his people during the tribulation then at the predetermined
end of the tribulation puts an end to the madness.
The Pagan gods.
(The fallen angel's side to the story of past events.)
Legends are still with us about people such as Hercules who had a god
(dark angel) as a father and was born of a earthly mother. Zeus the
king of the gods and the supreme ruler of men has a brother called
Hades who rules the underworld where all men's spirits went after they
died. Zeus should probably be known as Satan and is the reigning fallen
angel on/above the earth while Hades (Lucifer) is the reigning fallen
angel in the earth or hell to be more precise. It is interesting to
note that Hades is both a place and a god (fallen angel) and may be
explained by way of fact that the souls of the rebellious are contained
in the fallen angel Lucifer.
Now as legends go, Zeus (Satan) leader of the Olympians (Satan's
fallen angels), fought a war with the Titans (Lucifer and his fallen
angels) and locked the Titan's in hell.
Zeus and the Olympians then defeated the giants (fallen angel and human
women's offspring who once dead, roam around as evil spirits/demons).
These were also thrown into the underworld but it is said they were
freed, to roam on the earth.
Now Zeus rules supreme among the gods (fallen angels) above/on the
earth.
In the underworld or Hades there is besides those locked up gods
(fallen angels) a place for the souls of warriors (murders etc) to go,
called Valhalla, if they do not end up in Valhalla then their home is
in Hel, a place beneath the underworld (Niflheim), or one of various
other places. Those who are lost at sea, for example, are taken to
=C6gir'shall at the bottom of the sea.
Hel lies under Valhalla which is in the underworld, all of the
underworld in reality is hell but their are deeper levels of hell as
some have been showed by Jesus.
Satanist preach the verse, "Do what thou wilt, will be the whole of the
law" and that's what hell will be like. Nasty creatures such as
godless man, demons, fallen angels doing what they want to each other.
Note, fallen man being the weakest of the beings in hell.
Quote from a Wicca Newsgroup The notorious 'satanic' symbol the
pentagram is of course a symbol for the planet Venus, for if you mark
her synodic periods on a map of the heavens you will discover the
figure of a pentagram is plotted. Venus anciently had two aspects, as
morning star or evening star. In one Venus is symbolized by the upright
pentagram and is called The Queen of Heaven, in the other Venus is
symbolised by the averse pentagram or Goat Star and called King of the
Four Quarters.
This Queen of Heaven was also worshipped at one stage by God's people
who fell into ruin because of it (Jeremiah 7:16-19) and who else is
this Queen of Heaven but Satan. The King of the four quarters or hell
is none other then Lucifer himself or King Abbadon as Revelation calls
him.
Jesus frees His people from Hades.
Luke 16:22-26
Before Jesus died on the cross for mankind's sins, the souls of dead
humans went to Hades, either to Abraham's bosom or to hell with a gulf
in between the two keeping them separate.
Eph 4:8-10
Jesus' soul goes to Hades and frees His people from there taking their
souls with Him to heaven.
Rev1:17-18
Jesus after His death now has the keys to Death and Hades.
When Jesus died for our sins, His soul went to Hades and took out all
the souls that are a part of His Body. As the penalty for the sin of
man had been paid in full, Lucifer/Abaddon could no longer hold God's
people who make up the body of Jesus who were there at Abraham's side.
When Jesus rose from Hades with the souls of God's people he held the
keys of Death and Hades, in other word he had the power over both the
physical body of man asleep in death and the soul of man. Those souls
which are Jesus' are held by Jesus and those that are not are left in
Hades. Jesus' physical body was the first to be reunited with His Soul
and Spirit and at the resurrection, everyone else's will be also.
John 14:1-6
Jesus has prepared a place for all those that put their faith in Him
and not just a place but a mansion.
Conclusion.
Lucifer and his angels were more direct in their approach to becoming
like God and started creating their own demonic children and setting up
a rival kingdom. This interference in mankind's world led Lucifer and
his angels being locked up in hell.
Satan and the angels that follow Satan, most probably all the feminine
fallen angels, on the other hand are more the tempters, the seducers
and more subtle in their approach to getting mankind to abandon God and
become as they are, rebellious to God.
Satan fights tooth and nail before God trying to claim sinful mankind's
souls and would have all if not for the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ
who took away our guilt so that we who follow Jesus could be with Him
forever.
Those that play with the occult think that Satan will welcome them
with loving arms because he humors them for now to get them into his
kingdom but when he does have their soul after death then the evil joke
is over. He hates all mankind because we're in the image of God, and he
hates God. You'll be treated by a hateful being till judgment day when
hell and everything in it will be thrown into the lake of fire which is
your spiritual death from God. As far as aliens go it's probably just
Satan and the evil spirits pulling your leg and playing the part so
that you stop believing in God and start listening to those that are
truly alien to God. Demons are a finite quality due to God binding the
dark angels that were creating them but even so the pollution they
create is truly Satanic in nature.
Jesus and his body of believers will finally be clean when Satan and
Lucifer's kingdom (hell/Hades) are destroyed by being thrown into the
eternal fire which tries to purify for eternity that which will not be
purified. Do not embrace evil by saying an evil thing is good, even if
your struggling with it your whole lifetime otherwise it will become a
part of your nature.
Even evil angels serve a purpose for now in God's plan, in that, if man
chooses the path of evil and turns his back on God, God may lift his
protection off and allow the evil angels to bring sickness, misery and
death to them. Make no mistake, if God did not protect mankind from the
evil angels then they would happily destroy all mankind as soon as
possible.
Bible verses quoted
Genesis 2:7 (RSV)
7 then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:25 (RSV)
25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.
Genesis 3:7-8 (NLT)
7 At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame
at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover
themselves.
8 When the cool evening breezes were blowing, the man and his wife
heard the Lord God walking about in the garden. So they hid from the
Lord God among the trees.
Matthew 17:1-2 (NCV)
17 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John, the brother of
James, up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 While they watched,
Jesus' appearance was changed; his face became bright like the sun,
and his clothes became white as light.
Exodus 34:29-35 (RSV)
29 When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tables of the
testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not
know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking with
God. 30 And when Aaron and all the people of Israel saw Moses, behold,
the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him. 31
But Moses called to them; and Aaron and all the leaders of the
congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them. 32 And
afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he gave them in
commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in Mount Sinai. 33
And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his
face; 34 but whenever Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him,
he took the veil off, until he came out; and when he came out, and told
the people of Israel what he was commanded, 35 the people of Israel saw
the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone; and Moses
would put the veil upon his face again, until he went in to speak with
him.
Genesis 3:1-5 (RSV)
1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the
Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not
eat of any tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent,
"We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but God said,
'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of
the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" 4 But the
serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when
you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,
knowing good and evil."
Revelation 12:7-9 (ISV)
7Then a war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the
dragon, and the dragon and its angels fought back. 8But it was not
strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
9The huge dragon was thrown down. That ancient serpent, called devil
and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down to the
earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.
Zechariah 5:5-11 (NCV)
The Vision of the Woman
5 Then the angel who was talking with me came forward and said to me,
"Look up and see what is going out."6 "What is it?" I asked. He
answered, "It is a measuring basket going out." He also said, "It
is a symbol of the people's sins in all the land."7 Then the lid
made of lead was raised, and there was a woman sitting inside the
basket. 8 The angel said, "The woman stands for wickedness." Then
he pushed her back into the basket and put the lid back down.9 Then I
looked up and saw two women going out with the wind in their wings.
Their wings were like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket
between earth and the sky.
10 I asked the angel who was talking with me, "Where are they taking
the basket?"11 "They are going to Babylonia to build a temple for
it," he answered. "When the temple is ready, they will set the
basket there in its place."
Job 1:6-7 (NIV)
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and
Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you
come from?" Satan answered the Lord, "From roaming through the
earth and going back and forth in it."
Revelation 12:7-12 (ISV)
7Then a war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the
dragon, and the dragon and its angels fought back. 8But it was not
strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
9The huge dragon was thrown down. That ancient serpent, called devil
and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down to the
earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. 10Then I heard a loud
voice in heaven say," Now the salvation, the power, the kingdom of our
God, and the authority of his Christ have come. For the one accusing
our brothers, the one who accuses them day and night in the presence of
our God, has been thrown out. 11They conquered him by the blood of the
lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not love their
life even in the face of death. 12So be glad, heavens, and those who
live in them! How terrible it is for the earth and the sea, because the
devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that his time is
short!"
Revelation 20:1-10 (RSV)
1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the
key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the
dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him
for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and
sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till
the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a
little while.
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment
was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for
their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not
worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their
foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a
thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the
thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed
and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the
second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his
prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four
corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for
battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up
over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the
beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and
the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and
sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be
tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Genesis 3:6 (The Message)
6 When the Woman saw that the tree looked like good eating and realized
what she would get out of it-she'd know everything!-she took and
ate the fruit and then gave some to her husband, and he ate.
Isaiah 14:12-15 (AV 1873)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For
thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt
my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the
congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the
heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt
be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Ezekiel 28:11-19 (NIV)
11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament
concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the
Sovereign Lord says: " 'You were the model of perfection, full of
wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite,
onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and
mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were
prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained
you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery
stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were
created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread
trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in
disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of
your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So
I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By
your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your
sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were
watching. 19 All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have
come to a horrible end and will be no more.'
Revelation 9:11 (NLT)
11 Their king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew
is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon-the Destroyer.
Genesis 6:4(RSV)
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore
children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men
of renown.
2 Peter 2:4-5 (NRSV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them
into hell and committed them to chains of deepest darkness to be kept
until the judgment; 5 and if he did not spare the ancient world, even
though he saved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others,
when he brought a flood on a world of the ungodly;
Jude 1:6 (NET)
1:6 You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper
domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in
eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the
great Day.
Luke 9:42 (NET)
9:42 As the boy was approaching, the demon threw him to the ground and
shook him with convulsions. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit,
healed the boy, and gave him back to his father.
Acts 16:16-18 (NLT)
16 One day as we were going down to the place of prayer, we met a
demon-possessed slave girl. She was a fortune-teller who earned a lot
of money for her masters. 17 She followed Paul and the rest of us,
shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, and they have
come to tell you how to be saved."
18 This went on day after day until Paul got so exasperated that he
turned and said to the demon within her, "I command you in the name
of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And instantly it left her.
Revelation 12:3-10 (RSV)
3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon,
with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 4 His
tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the
earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a
child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5 she
brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a
rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6
and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared
by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty
days.
7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the
dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they were defeated
and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great
dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil
and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to the
earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud
voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the
kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the
accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and
night before our God.
Zechariah 13:8-9 (NRSV)
8 In the whole land, says the Lord, two-thirds shall be cut off and
perish, and one-third shall be left alive. 9 And I will put this third
into the fire, refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold
is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will
say, "They are my people"; and they will say, "The Lord is our
God."
Revelation 20:14-15 (KJV)
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire.
Luke 10:17-19 (YLT)
17 And the seventy turned back with joy, saying, 'Sir, and the demons
are being subjected to us in thy name;' 18and he said to them, 'I
was beholding the Adversary, as lightning from the heaven having
fallen; 19lo, I give to you the authority to tread upon serpents and
scorpions, and on all the power of the enemy, and nothing by any means
shall hurt you;
2 Corinthians 11:14 (Paraphrase of 2 Corinthians (NIGTC)
14Their tactics are not at all surprising when we remember that Satan,
that arch-deceiver, also regularly adopts the disguise of a shining
angel sent by God.
Luke 16:22-26 (KJV)
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the
angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth
Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said,
Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the
tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in
this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy
lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things:
but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all
this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they
which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence.
Ephesians 4:8-10 (NIV)
8 This is why it (a) says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives
in his train and gave gifts to men."(b)
9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to
the lower, earthly regions (c)? 10 He who descended is the very one who
ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole
universe.)
a Or God
b Psalm 68:18
c Or the depths of the earth
Revelation 1:17-18 (RSV)
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his
right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last,
18 and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and
I have the keys of Death and Hades.
John 14:1-6 (KJV)
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in
me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I
would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto
myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto
him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Romans 2:12-16 (NCV)
12 People who do not have the law and who are sinners will be lost,
although they do not have the law. And, in the same way, those who have
the law and are sinners will be judged by the law. 13 Hearing the law
does not make people right with God. It is those who obey the law who
will be right with him. 14 (Those who are not Jews do not have the law,
but when they freely do what the law commands, they are the law for
themselves. This is true even though they do not have the law. 15 They
show that in their hearts they know what is right and wrong, just as
the law commands. And they show this by their consciences. Sometimes
their thoughts tell them they did wrong, and sometimes their thoughts
tell them they did right.) 16 All these things will happen on the day
when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge people's secret thoughts.
The Good News that I preach says this.
2 Thessalonians 2:6-10 (NCV)
6 And now you know what is stopping that Man of Evil so he will appear
at the right time. 7 The secret power of evil is already working in the
world, but there is one who is stopping that power. And he will
continue to stop it until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that Man
of Evil will appear, and the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath
that comes from his mouth and will destroy him with the glory of his
coming. 9 The Man of Evil will come by the power of Satan. He will have
great power, and he will do many different false miracles, signs, and
wonders. 10 He will use every kind of evil to trick those who are lost.
They will die, because they refused to love the truth. (If they loved
the truth, they would be saved.)
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (The Message)
3-4 If our Message is obscure to anyone, it's not because we're
holding back in any way. No, it's because these other people are
looking or going the wrong way and refuse to give it serious attention.
All they have eyes for is the fashionable god of darkness. They think
he can give them what they want, and that they won't have to bother
believing a Truth they can't see. They're stone-blind to the
dayspring brightness of the Message that shines with Christ, who gives
us the best picture of God we'll ever get.
Matthew 7:13-14 (NLT)
13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The
highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose
that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is
difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Jeremiah 7:16-19 (NIV)
16 "So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for
them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not
see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of
Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and
the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of
Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to
anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the Lord. Are
they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?
1 John 3:8 (NLT)
8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the
devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God
came to destroy the works of the devil.
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28 Nov 2006 09:31:14 AM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Only until just recently have I thought that Satan and Lucifer are the
same angel but they are not according to scripture.
No, they're not. And the most glaring reason for that is that Lucifer
isn't an angel. Whether Satan counts as one himself is debatable if
we're talking about the Old Testament. He'd been thoroughly re-written
by the scripture merchants by the time we get to New Testament times.
But Lucifer isn't an angel. Isn't a demon. Never was. The only
Biblical reference to him is:
Isa 14:12-15
And it's nothing to do with any angels, I'm afraid:
"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning".
The statement taken in context refers to a king of Babylon, and not to
Satan or anyone like him. This, of course, is why the statement is
usually presented out of context by those convinced that Lucifer was
ever a scripturally-supported name for Satan.
The New International Version, incidentally, apparently wanted to avoid
this particular issue, and so has 'morning star' instead of 'Lucifer'.
Lucifer, or light-bringer, is of course a name for the morning star, or
Venus, and was often used to refer to kings and other princely types.
Indeed, the term 'morning star' is used scripturally to refer to
Jesus[1], thus making Christ himself 'Lucifer'.
[1] - Revelation 22:16
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28 Nov 2006 08:55:57 PM |
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The New International Version, incidentally, apparently wanted to avoid
this particular issue, and so has 'morning star' instead of 'Lucifer'.
Lucifer, or light-bringer, is of course a name for the morning star, or
Venus, and was often used to refer to kings and other princely types.
Indeed, the term 'morning star' is used scripturally to refer to
Jesus[1], thus making Christ himself 'Lucifer'.
[1] - Revelation 22:16
Revelation 22:16 (Young's Literal Translation)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16`I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things
concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David,
the bright and morning star!
The bright morning star seems to be a reference for the start of
something new, Lucifer was the first of the created angels and in the
above passages it is a reference to David and the Royal kingship.
Numbers states that a kingly star will rise from Jacob who will crush
Moab and destroy the sons of Sheth which David did in establishing his
kingdom. 2Sam8:2
Numbers 24:17 (Amplified Bible)
17I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but He is not near. A [a]star
(Star) shall come forth out of Jacob, and a scepter (Scepter) shall
rise out of Israel and shall crush all the corners of Moab and break
down all the sons of Sheth [Moab's sons of tumult].(A)
Footnotes:
1. Numbers 24:17 "This imagery in the hieroglyphic language of the
East denotes some eminent ruler--primarily David, but secondarily and
preeminently the Messiah" (Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausett and David
Brown, A Commentary). Notice that the principal time for these events
is set in the prophecy for "the latter days" (Num. 24:14). "The
prophecy [concerning Moab] was partially, or typically, fulfilled in
the time of David (II Sam. 8:2). Moab and Edom represented symbolically
the enemies of Christ and His church, and as such will eventually be
subdued by the King of kings (see Ps. 60:8)" (Charles J. Ellicott, A
Bible Commentary). "The star which the wise men from the East saw, and
which led them in the way to the newborn 'King of the Jews,' refers
clearly to the prophecy of Balaam (Matt. 2:1, 2)" (J.P. Lange, A
Commentary).
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29 Nov 2006 06:53:22 AM |
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Revelation 22:16 (Young's Literal Translation)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16`I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things
concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David,
the bright and morning star!
The bright morning star seems to be a reference for the start of
something new, Lucifer was the first of the created angels
No he wasn't. 'Lucifer' does not and never has referred to the
Biblical character you're describing. As I said, the name as used in
Isaiah - and the only place in the King James Version where it IS used
- refers to a king of Babylon. Most English Bible translations do not
use the name at all - presumably in an attempt to avoid reinforcing the
common misconception that Lucifer is anything to do with angels or the
Devil.
The telling thing is that in order to find out who is being referred to
in this passage, one only need go back as far as Isaiah 14:4:
"That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and
say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!"
above passages it is a reference to David and the Royal kingship.
Perhaps so. But either way, 'Lucifer' was the Roman name for Venus
(though Venus is itself a Roman name, they did not use it to refer to
the planet) as it appears in the dawn sky. Thus, by referring to
himself as the morning star, from a Roman point of view, Jesus here
calls himself Lucifer. Therefore, the use of the name to describe
Jesus would have at least some scriptural legitimacy. There is no
scriptural legitimacy for the use of the name to refer to Satan, whose
name, since the first time he appears in the Old Testament (which, by
the way, is not in Genesis but in 1 Chronicles, his first major role
being in the Book of Job), has been simply 'Satan'.
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29 Nov 2006 08:15:10 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
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marttila69@hotmail.com wrote:
Revelation 22:16 (Young's Literal Translation)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16`I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things
concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David,
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