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Religions > Bible |
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"SJAB1958" |
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13 Nov 2005 02:52:49 AM |
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Darwin Misquoted |
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin Misquoted |
13 Nov 2005 09:08:13 AM |
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SJAB1958 wrote:
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
AiG actually argues against this, though they can't bring themselves to
do it honestly, claiming the phrase is "subtly out of context"
It would be a bit like a Christian talking to non believers saying "I
know the idea that God could come to earth as a man seems silly, but it
happened and the evidence proves it and once you understand it, you
realise it isn't actually silly at all" and then being quoted minus the
part after the comma.
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| User: "Bills Garden" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin Misquoted |
13 Nov 2005 09:48:46 AM |
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dl7ksk$vqb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
SJAB1958 wrote:
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
AiG actually argues against this, though they can't bring themselves to
do it honestly, claiming the phrase is "subtly out of context"
It would be a bit like a Christian talking to non believers saying "I
know the idea that God could come to earth as a man seems silly, but it
happened and the evidence proves it and once you understand it, you
realise it isn't actually silly at all" and then being quoted minus the
part after the comma.
The AIG site would be laughable were it not for the fact that those people
actually believe their own *****!
Shalom,
Bill
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin Misquoted |
13 Nov 2005 11:39:36 AM |
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"Bill's Garden" <bilsgrdn@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:11neo2ahir62m6e@corp.supernews.com...
"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dl7ksk$vqb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
SJAB1958 wrote:
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
AiG actually argues against this, though they can't bring themselves to
do it honestly, claiming the phrase is "subtly out of context"
It would be a bit like a Christian talking to non believers saying "I
know the idea that God could come to earth as a man seems silly, but it
happened and the evidence proves it and once you understand it, you
realise it isn't actually silly at all" and then being quoted minus the
part after the comma.
The AIG site would be laughable were it not for the fact that those people
actually believe their own *****!
Shalom,
Bill
For sure bill it's so clear.
You think that spamming Christian chatgroups and discussion lists with
expletives and insults demonstrates superior free-thinking, rational,
atheistic logic.
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| User: "SJAB1958" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin Misquoted |
13 Nov 2005 12:06:55 PM |
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Richard Dawkins wrote:
"Bill's Garden" <bilsgrdn@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:11neo2ahir62m6e@corp.supernews.com...
"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dl7ksk$vqb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
SJAB1958 wrote:
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
AiG actually argues against this, though they can't bring themselves to
do it honestly, claiming the phrase is "subtly out of context"
It would be a bit like a Christian talking to non believers saying "I
know the idea that God could come to earth as a man seems silly, but it
happened and the evidence proves it and once you understand it, you
realise it isn't actually silly at all" and then being quoted minus the
part after the comma.
The AIG site would be laughable were it not for the fact that those people
actually believe their own *****!
Shalom,
Bill
For sure bill it's so clear.
You think that spamming Christian chatgroups and discussion lists with
expletives and insults demonstrates superior free-thinking, rational,
atheistic logic.
I dont call one post with one expletive spamming .... and I dont see
you presenting any evidence for your position. Just as Immanuel Kant
would say, all you have presented here is mere opinion at worst, or
just a belief at best. The evidence has been presented time and again,
from more recent sources than the hoaxes revealed by the supporters of
evolution, which you use as an expose of the so-called weaknesses of
the theory of evolution.
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: Darwin Misquoted |
13 Nov 2005 04:21:20 AM |
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SJAB1958 wrote:
Many creationists misquote Darwin regarding the evolution of the
complex eye seen in the verebrate animals. They stop and the end of the
sentence which finishes - "... I freely confess, absurd in the highest
possible degree."
They then try and use this as 'proof' that Darwin didnt believe in
evolution.
They have infact quoted out of context - in my mind deliberately - in a
pathetic attempt to discredit Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Further on in the same paragraph Darwin actually concludes "... then
the difficulty that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by
natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be
considered real."
In other words, given the evidence - one has to accept that this organ
developed in complexity from simplicity over a period of time.
I suggest that anyone who wants to confirm or refute my posting, should
buy themselves a softback (that is paperback) copy of Charles Darwin's
'Origin of the Species. They shall find the whole statement, in context
on or around page 152.
Or they can save themselves the purchase price and check the quote mine
project for this oft mined quote
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part2.html#quote2.8
Or if they want the whole book they can download a copy from Project
Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1228
--
shane
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