On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:09:37 -0400,
in article <tbcvg39k8162lhmu1d4qo1ivkti2bpcshp@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:09:34 -0500, ®andy
<pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:24:59 -0400,
in article <0iftg39tr8r3d7g8va88qsgg9r1o8rbph8@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:25:53 -0600, gatekeeper
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:48:22 +0200, ::: good news :::
wrote:

"...but shun foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and
disputes about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Avoid a factious man after a first and second warning; knowing
that such a one is perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

(Titus 3:9-11 WEB)

snip

I assume, you find PD to be a factious person. That
being the case, why do you continue to respond to him
instead of following your own advice! Unless of
course, you are a factious woman! And of course then
the scriptures say nothing about a factious woman? :)
Gk

And herein lies Vera's contradiction against herself!

When Randy was trying to pervert the six passages
that were quoted to him, regarding the fact that the
Bible says that heretics are to be ignored after a
couple of warnings and he then tried to claim that
those who opposed the idea of him chasing people
around and harassing them were working for Satan,
Vera cheered him on and said he was right. Now,
all of the sudden, she uses ne of those very same
Scriptures to claim that people should ignore me!

<chuckle!>

No, you are the ones who claim on the one hand, this isn't a
local church, then on the other, the instruction in those
passages apply to a local church.

But since you promote heresy such as the denial of the bodily
resurrection of the saints (and if the dead rise not, then is
not Christ raised (1 Corinthians 15:16)), why wouldn't you
want to promote a system of interpretation that requires
people who expose your lies to be quiet and ignore you?

Translation: I'm ***** that you are right and so,
I attacked you personally.

This is Randy, folks! When he is cornered, he will pretend
to make a Christian, Biblical approach and pretends to
love others, but what does he do??? He tries to slam me
for not attending church, when he knows I have a back
injury that I'm awaiting surgery for, that prevents me
from attending!

Where did I say anything about you attending church? You
claim the passages about dealing with hereticks apply to a
church situation on the one hand, but then on the other, you
claim this group is not a church. Then you try to make it
look like Vera is the one contradicting herself. Now you
grand-stand as if I'm bashing your church attendance, which
had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

Now did Randy mention any of that? No! Why not?
Because Randy's goal was to distract you from what
I said that he couldn't dispute and make you think
that I am just some pretend pastor, that doesn't even
attend a church, let alone pastor one and that I do that
by choice and so, am a hypocrite.

ibid. but this is a good lesson on how you make
grand-standing filibusters that completely miss the mark.

And so, furthermore, he will try to imply that I am
incapable of instructing anyone.

What the heck? This is just a distraction.

And what are Randy's credentials? Oh, well, he attacked me!
And isn't that enough for any Futurist?! You see, it
doesn't matter that Randy would be nothing but a self
proclaimed instructor and thinks he can teach everyone!
He has to try to lie about me and take me down, as if
no one would notice that he's not responding to what
was posted and as if no one would notice that he's not
attacking me personally, to try to distract people from
the fact that he can't dispute one single thing I posted!

That's it, Randy! Now you crossed the line! You took it
from usenet, to a personal level and showed me that
even on a personal level, between us, that you know
no boundaries, because you would do something like
this! I always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt,
especially considering how kind you were to us, when
we had problems and needed help and how you are
in the prayer group. But when you pull something
like this and lie in this manner, to try to save your
doctrine and don't even focus on that well, then while
you lie and say that's not what you're about (your
doctrine at all cost), the truth is, that is what you're
about and you don't care at what cost, as I said!

To you, it is no big deal to try to drag someone through
the gutter, when they say something that disproves your
doctrine and which you obviously cannot dispute! To you,
God's word and human beings are less important than
your ego! And that son, is something that I simply
cannot tolerate!

This is not just another kill file session of you. This is
me, telling you goodbye, Randy. You simply don't care
about people as much as you do about not ever admitting
that you're wrong about anything. And in case Momma
never taught you this... that is a cost that is simply too
high for people to pay! I will not be your friend at the
expense of you telling lies about me and trying to drag
me through the gutter with you, just so you can try to
avoid admitting that you can't dispute something that
was posted, when even if you couldn't and didn't want
to deal with it, it would have been so much simpler to
simply not respond at all!

But you Randy, made a conscious choice to instead,
to as I said, tell lies about me and try to drag me
through the gutter, in an attempt to personally
discredit me, because you thought that by doing this,
that you could get enough people to attack me with
you, so that you could change the subject and never
have to answer to what was posted and you did so,
at my expense! And this, while you attack others,
including me, claiming that this is what WE do,
when here is the proof that YOU are the guilty party!

I am sad this day Randy! And I am sad because of you!

You're carrying on a conversation with yourself, and your
post, here, apparently amounts to little more than a
distraction by which you are trying to excuse yourself from
dealing with the facts.

©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. ?2 Corinthians 10:5

Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:09:37 -0400,
in article <tbcvg39k8162lhmu1d4qo1ivkti2bpcshp@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:09:34 -0500, ®andy
<pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:24:59 -0400,
in article <0iftg39tr8r3d7g8va88qsgg9r1o8rbph8@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:25:53 -0600, gatekeeper
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:48:22 +0200, ::: good news :::
wrote:

"...but shun foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and disputes
about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Avoid a factious man
after a first and second warning; knowing that such a one is perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.

(Titus 3:9-11 WEB)

snip

I assume, you find PD to be a factious person. That
being the case, why do you continue to respond to him
instead of following your own advice! Unless of
course, you are a factious woman! And of course then
the scriptures say nothing about a factious woman? :)
Gk

And herein lies Vera's contradiction against herself!

When Randy was trying to pervert the six passages
that were quoted to him, regarding the fact that the
Bible says that heretics are to be ignored after a
couple of warnings and he then tried to claim that
those who opposed the idea of him chasing people
around and harassing them were working for Satan,
Vera cheered him on and said he was right. Now,
all of the sudden, she uses ne of those very same
Scriptures to claim that people should ignore me!

<chuckle!>

No, you are the ones who claim on the one hand, this isn't a
local church, then on the other, the instruction in those
passages apply to a local church.

But since you promote heresy such as the denial of the bodily
resurrection of the saints (and if the dead rise not, then is
not Christ raised (1 Corinthians 15:16)), why wouldn't you
want to promote a system of interpretation that requires
people who expose your lies to be quiet and ignore you?

Translation: I'm ***** that you are right and so,
I attacked you personally.

This is Randy, folks! When he is cornered, he will pretend
to make a Christian, Biblical approach and pretends to
love others, but what does he do??? He tries to slam me
for not attending church, when he knows I have a back
injury that I'm awaiting surgery for, that prevents me
from attending!

Where did I say anything about you attending church? You
claim the passages about dealing with hereticks apply to a
church situation on the one hand, but then on the other, you
claim this group is not a church. Then you try to make it
look like Vera is the one contradicting herself. Now you
grand-stand as if I'm bashing your church attendance, which
had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

Now did Randy mention any of that? No! Why not?
Because Randy's goal was to distract you from what
I said that he couldn't dispute and make you think
that I am just some pretend pastor, that doesn't even
attend a church, let alone pastor one and that I do that
by choice and so, am a hypocrite.

ibid. but this is a good lesson on how you make
grand-standing filibusters that completely miss the mark.

And so, furthermore, he will try to imply that I am
incapable of instructing anyone.

What the heck? This is just a distraction.

And what are Randy's credentials? Oh, well, he attacked me!
And isn't that enough for any Futurist?! You see, it
doesn't matter that Randy would be nothing but a self
proclaimed instructor and thinks he can teach everyone!
He has to try to lie about me and take me down, as if
no one would notice that he's not responding to what
was posted and as if no one would notice that he's not
attacking me personally, to try to distract people from
the fact that he can't dispute one single thing I posted!

That's it, Randy! Now you crossed the line! You took it
from usenet, to a personal level and showed me that
even on a personal level, between us, that you know
no boundaries, because you would do something like
this! I always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt,
especially considering how kind you were to us, when
we had problems and needed help and how you are
in the prayer group. But when you pull something
like this and lie in this manner, to try to save your
doctrine and don't even focus on that well, then while
you lie and say that's not what you're about (your
doctrine at all cost), the truth is, that is what you're
about and you don't care at what cost, as I said!

To you, it is no big deal to try to drag someone through
the gutter, when they say something that disproves your
doctrine and which you obviously cannot dispute! To you,
God's word and human beings are less important than
your ego! And that son, is something that I simply
cannot tolerate!

This is not just another kill file session of you. This is
me, telling you goodbye, Randy. You simply don't care
about people as much as you do about not ever admitting
that you're wrong about anything. And in case Momma
never taught you this... that is a cost that is simply too
high for people to pay! I will not be your friend at the
expense of you telling lies about me and trying to drag
me through the gutter with you, just so you can try to
avoid admitting that you can't dispute something that
was posted, when even if you couldn't and didn't want
to deal with it, it would have been so much simpler to
simply not respond at all!

But you Randy, made a conscious choice to instead,
to as I said, tell lies about me and try to drag me
through the gutter, in an attempt to personally
discredit me, because you thought that by doing this,
that you could get enough people to attack me with
you, so that you could change the subject and never
have to answer to what was posted and you did so,
at my expense! And this, while you attack others,
including me, claiming that this is what WE do,
when here is the proof that YOU are the guilty party!

I am sad this day Randy! And I am sad because of you!

You're carrying on a conversation with yourself, and your
post, here, apparently amounts to little more than a
distraction by which you are trying to excuse yourself from
dealing with the facts.