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Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
Darwinian Evolution Incompatible with Catholic Faith says Cardinal and
Author of Catholic Catechism
NEW YORK, July 11, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On July 7, after years
of media-generated confusion, Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, a
theologian who helped author the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church,
wrote in the New York Times clarifying the Church's understanding of
human origins.
Since 1996, the world's secular media have claimed that Pope John
Paul II endorsed Darwinian evolution as being "more than a
hypothesis." The remark, taken out of context, established in some
minds that the Catholic Church was ready to abandon its adherence to
the notion of a personal God who created life, the universe and
everything.
In his article, Schonborn said, that the "defenders of neo-Darwinian
dogma have often invoked the supposed acceptance - or at least
acquiescence - of the Roman Catholic Church when they defend their
theory as somehow compatible with Christian faith."
"This," the Cardinal says bluntly, "is not true."
Schonborn unequivocally establishes that the Catholic Church does not
endorse Darwinism. "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might
be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense - an unguided,
unplanned process of random variation and natural selection - is
not."
Cardinal Schonborn, a close associate of both Pope John Paul II and
Pope Benedict XVI, continued, saying, "Any system of thought that
denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in
biology is ideology, not science."
The New York Times, never missing an opportunity to bash prominent
Catholic prelates, has suggested that Schonborn has changed his tune
regarding the legitimacy of Darwinian evolution. But Darwinism, the
idea that life sprang and developed into its myriad forms by means of
"an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural
selection" has never been supported by Catholic teaching.
As early as 1950, Pope Pius XII wrote that it is Catholics teaching
that all human beings in some way are biologically descended from a
first man, Adam. "The faithful cannot embrace that opinion which
maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men
who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as
from the first parent of all," Pius wrote in his encyclical Humani
Generis.
Two days after the Cardinal's article appeared, the New York Times
followed up with an interview with Schonborn in which he reiterated
that he had been encouraged by Pope Benedict XVI to continue to refine
Catholic teaching on evolution.
Read Cardinal Schonborn's essay:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/opinion/07schonborn.html
Read New York Times coverage of scientific reaction (free registration
may be required):
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/09/science/09cardinal.html?pagewanted=2&adxnnl=1&incamp=article_popular_1&adxnnlx=1121101755-MdtG6nbBTT0N0JNQ0t8vjw
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05071104.html
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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16 Jul 2005 04:04:06 AM |
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15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
Time travel means never being late, unless you want to be.
michelangelo® merisi da caravaggio, a henotheist, whatever that may be.
:-)=
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 12:56:07 AM |
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Dante Alighieri wrote:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)=3D Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of t=
he gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distan=
t past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did =
indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known =
fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before=
the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter o=
f some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it=
today. ROTFL.
Time travel means never being late, unless you want to be.
michelangelo=AE merisi da caravaggio, a henotheist, whatever that may be.
:-)=3D
What about the spare rib? I cannot recall whether the estimated date of
Lucy's remains are one or thre million years, but what does a million
or two matter in a planet which is almost 14 billion years old?.
I still worry about those wild African elephants on the Ark in a rough
sea. Suppose they decided to do well, you know what? Then there are the
hippopotami, polar bears, kangaroos and uncle tom cats and all. Some of
those cats are very big and not good company.
B C
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 07:47:20 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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16 Jul 2005 03:08:35 PM |
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Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Let's see.
I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
HTH
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
18 Jul 2005 02:53:25 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Let's see.
I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
And just what do you describe as this, "creation
force"?
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
19 Jul 2005 02:43:21 AM |
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Approx. Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:53:25 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the
keyboard resulting in:
:-)= On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
:-)= <michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
:-)=
:-)= >Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
:-)= >Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= >
:-)= >:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
:-)= >
:-)= >Let's see.
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)= >I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
:-)=
:-)= And just what do you describe as this, "creation
:-)= force"?
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
God, as stated above, tampabayrrdotcomrotflmao.
Vaya con Dios
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| User: "Turin" |
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18 Jul 2005 11:56:23 PM |
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Dante Alighieri wrote:
Approx. Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:53:25 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the
keyboard resulting in:
:-)= On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
:-)= <michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
:-)=
:-)= >Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
:-)= >Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= >
:-)= >:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
:-)= >
:-)= >Let's see.
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)= >I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
:-)=
:-)= And just what do you describe as this, "creation
:-)= force"?
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
You have to repeat things for Davie. He's slow in the head.
God, as stated above, tampabayrrdotcomrotflmao.
Vaya con Dios
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
20 Jul 2005 11:55:37 AM |
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Approx. 18 Jul 2005 21:56:23 -0700, someone calling themselves "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> let their cat run across the keyboard resulting
in:
:-)=
:-)=
:-)= Dante Alighieri wrote:
:-)= > Approx. Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:53:25 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run
across the
:-)= > keyboard resulting in:
:-)= >
:-)= > :-)= On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
:-)= > :-)= <michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
:-)= > :-)=
:-)= > :-)= >Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
:-)= > :-)= >Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= > :-)= >
:-)= > :-)= >:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
:-)= > :-)= >
:-)= > :-)= >Let's see.
:-)= > :-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)= > :-)= >I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
:-)= > :-)=
:-)= > :-)= And just what do you describe as this, "creation
:-)= > :-)= force"?
:-)= >
:-)= > :-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)=
:-)=
:-)= You have to repeat things for Davie. He's slow in the head.
I have met some very nice road runners but as a whole any time you see that "rr" you know they're mentally challenged.
:-)=
:-)=
:-)= > God, as stated above, tampabayrrdotcomrotflmao.
:-)= >
:-)= > Vaya con Dios
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
19 Jul 2005 09:10:47 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:43:21 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
Approx. Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:53:25 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the
keyboard resulting in:
:-)= On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
:-)= <michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
:-)=
:-)= >Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
:-)= >Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= >
:-)= >:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
:-)= >
:-)= >Let's see.
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)= >I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
:-)=
:-)= And just what do you describe as this, "creation
:-)= force"?
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
God, as stated above,
You are running in circles and doing it intentionally.
Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Wayne Delia" |
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19 Jul 2005 10:02:43 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:43:21 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
Approx. Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:53:25 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the
keyboard resulting in:
:-)= On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
:-)= <michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
:-)=
:-)= >Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
:-)= >Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= >
:-)= >:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
:-)= >
:-)= >Let's see.
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
:-)= >I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
:-)=
:-)= And just what do you describe as this, "creation
:-)= force"?
:-)= >I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
God, as stated above,
You are running in circles and doing it intentionally.
Goodbye.
Run away, scared little bunny rabbit!
Any luck yet in getting any actual people to join your "congregation"?
--
Wayne Delia,
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids! Eat them!" (Homer Simpson)
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
20 Jul 2005 11:50:58 AM |
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19 Jul 2005 Wayne Delia <wmd@deliafamily.net> wrote:
:-)= > You are running in circles and doing it intentionally.
:-)= >
:-)= > Goodbye.
:-)=
:-)= Run away, scared little bunny rabbit!
Running he is, in circles he is, so away he won't.
:-)=
:-)= Any luck yet in getting any actual people to join your "congregation"?
Congregation of nil. I think Pastor Dave has enough sense not to join, errrr, maybe?
Pax Vobiscum
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 01:58:14 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:08:35 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, someone calling themselves
Pastor Dave, tampa bay rr dot com, let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Let's see.
I stated that what we call God is the universe's creation force.
I stated that the universe's creation force is what we call God.
In other words, you stated nothing.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 03:44:59 AM |
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Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:58:14 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= Pastor Dave tampa bay rr dot com
Hmmmmmmm, your verbal comprehension is about par.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 08:24:28 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:44:59 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
Approx. Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:58:14 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= Pastor Dave tampa bay rr dot com
Hmmmmmmm, your verbal comprehension is about par.
Thank you for proving my point.
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Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Dante Alighieri" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
18 Jul 2005 07:52:32 AM |
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Approx. Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:24:28 GMT, someone calling themselves Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> let their cat run across the keyboard resulting in:
:-)= Thank you for proving my point.
I stated "God is the universe's creation force, meaning that force that causes evolution.
You asked, "Does that mean the universe is eternal and God is not?
I replied, "They are one and the same as previously stated by me. Your verbal comprehension is lacking."
You responded that I had proved your point.!
No, I did not. You proved your point! ROTFLMAO!
[insert ad hominem] It seems as though your double digit IQ is octal at best, possibly binary.
"There are only 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't."
Pax Vobiscum
It seems as though your double digit IQ is possibly binary. (rec.org.mensa)
An atheist can defend his belief, or lack of belief, with facts. (alt.atheism)
The Holy Bible, to my knowledge, never denies evolution. God's days may be billions of earth years. (alt.bible, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 08:28:37 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:47:20 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Idiot.
<re-plonk>
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinaland Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 02:18:59 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 02:30:36 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 03:29:40 PM |
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Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:g2oid19es29bsud5th7pf9ns1sc4atke33@4ax.com:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net,
re:'d. Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's
popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children
of the gods. Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some
time in the distant past is saying that this energy/matter
constantly changing universe force did indeed create life forms as
we know them. Evolution and creation are one and the same and are
entirely compatible. Saying that God does not exist as depicted by
the allegorical figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine
Chapel is stating a known fact. A life form such as that allegorical
figure could not have existed before the universe existed in order
to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or
matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we
know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the
gods that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
Their parents. It's parents all the way back.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Political correctness is a form of moral and emotional blackmail
whereby if you call a spade a spade you must
a) apologize to the spade,
b) if you live in the US, take a sensitivity training course, or
c) if you live in Old Yurp, you are taken to court for defamation of the
aforementioned spade.
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16 Jul 2005 03:41:45 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
Australopithecus afarensis.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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16 Jul 2005 04:14:28 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:41:45 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
Australopithecus afarensis.
Your ignorance speaks once again in more than one way.
1) A 3 foot high tree dwelling monkey is not proof.
Most evolutionists don't even consider it to be part of
the line anymore. Get some updated information.
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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16 Jul 2005 05:19:12 PM |
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who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/tol/
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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22 Jul 2005 01:32:04 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:14:28 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:41:45 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
Australopithecus afarensis.
Your ignorance speaks once again in more than one way.
1) A 3 foot high tree dwelling monkey is not proof.
Most evolutionists don't even consider it to be part of
the line anymore. Get some updated information.
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus is eternal and beyond time. No need to ask about a
creator for _that!
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinaland Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 04:45:34 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:41:45 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:18:59 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -0400, Dante Alighieri
<michel.angelo@heavens.gate> spake thusly:
15 Jul 2005 wrote:
:-)= Darwinian Evolution
"I'll take the words of science ... " as phylter@bigpond.au.net, re:'d.
Let's do just that.
Darwin proposed a theory. Darwin did not "believe" the theory.
It became popular. Darwin took advantage of the theory's popularity.
Genesis, "Mose 1" in a German Bible, advises humans are the children of the gods.
Saying that human life forms evolved somewhere at some time in the distant past
is saying that this energy/matter constantly changing universe force did indeed create
life forms as we know them.
Evolution and creation are one and the same and are entirely compatible.
Saying that God does not exist as depicted by the allegorical
figure by Michelangelo Buonarti in the Sistine Chapel is stating a known fact.
A life form such as that allegorical figure could not have existed before the universe existed
in order to be around to create it.
BTW what existed before the universe was created. Energy and/or matter of some sort
from which the universe came into being, i.e., the universe as we know it today. ROTFL.
So God can't be eternal, but the universe can?
Since gods are created by humans, when humans die off, so will the gods
that they created. So, no. Gods are not eternal.
And who created the humans?
Australopithecus afarensis.
Your ignorance speaks once again in more than one way.
1) A 3 foot high tree dwelling monkey is not proof.
Most evolutionists don't even consider it to be part of
the line anymore. Get some updated information.
Oops. You're right. Australopithecus afarensis was not our common
ancestor. It was the ancestor of our common ancestor Australopithecus
africanus. My bad. Thanks for setting me straight.
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
16 Jul 2005 07:14:18 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinaland Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 03:14:38 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
Since I placed it in quotes, I do not admit anything. I am simply
asking you who created "God" in your own fantasy story. But, since you
didn't answer it, I'll take that as an answer.
Thanks for playing.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 05:07:03 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:14:38 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
Since I placed it in quotes, I do not admit anything.
Just like an evolutionist. Unable to commit, except if
it means denying God, even if they don't know the first
thing about what they're committing to.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinaland Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 06:16:44 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:14:38 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
Since I placed it in quotes, I do not admit anything.
Just like an evolutionist.
I'me not an evolutionist.
Unable to commit, except if
it means denying God, even if they don't know the first
thing about what they're committing to.
Sorry, but I am able to commit. I commit to facts. Sorry if you have
to fix those facts to fit your policy, right?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinal and Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 06:22:49 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:16:44 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:14:38 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
Since I placed it in quotes, I do not admit anything.
Just like an evolutionist.
I'me not an evolutionist.
Unable to commit, except if
it means denying God, even if they don't know the first
thing about what they're committing to.
Sorry, but I am able to commit. I commit to facts. Sorry if you have
to fix those facts to fit your policy, right?
As I suspected. A foolish response.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Darwinist Dogma Incompatible with Catholic Faith, says Cardinaland Author of Catholic Catechism |
17 Jul 2005 07:09:17 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:16:44 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:14:38 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:34 GMT, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> spake thusly:
2) You have not solved the problem, you've only moved
it. Even if what you said were true, the next logical
question would be, who created Australopithecus
afarensis?
Australopithecus anamensis. We can go on and on if you want.
Eventually, we'll get back to the primordial ooze.
Now, a challenge for you: Who created "God"?
Are you admitting that God created it all?
Since I placed it in quotes, I do not admit anything.
Just like an evolutionist.
I'me not an evolutionist.
Unable to commit, except if
it means denying God, even if they don't know the first
thing about what they're committing to.
Sorry, but I am able to commit. I commit to facts. Sorry if you have
to fix those facts to fit your policy, right?
As I suspected. A foolish response.
Therefore, you cannot even answer questions from someone you find to be
a "fool." I wonder what this means...?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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