The Scriptures involved, are 2 Samuel 11:1-27, which are
quoted further down.

Randy had previously mentioned the issue of David & Bathsheba
and how David "took her". And since I am currently reading
the Samuel's and have just finished reading about this event,
the posts that were sent back and forth about these two people
entered my mind as I was reading the relevant passages.

This message is not intended to bring the rape discussion into
this thread. I merely noted that it reminded me of this issue
and I wanted to expound on the issue of David's adultery,
as a matter of Bible study and not as an argument over rape.

I thought Randy had made some good comments on 2 Sam 11,
but I realized that while most note that David committed
adultery and sent Uriah to the front of the battle, so that
he would die, which is obviously true, that most people
also believe that it is just because he wanted Bathsheba
as his wife.

But I don't know that this is true. I believe that there is
more to it and that maybe David wasn't trying to make
her his wife, but rather, was forced to, due to the failure
of his original plan.

But what plan is it that I'm talking about?

I submit that David did not plan to get Bathsheba as his wife,
but only to lay with her and that was it. But then there was
a complication, as there always is when we seek to do evil
and so, he had to formulate a new plan, to try to cover up
what he did.

So as I see it, it went as follows and again, I have quoted
the relevant Scripture for your perusal and study, below
my list of events, as I see them occurring (and hopefully
this will be edifying to those who read it):

1) It was the time of battle (v1).
2) David wanted to have sex with Bathsheba (vs 2-4).
3) Bathsheba ended up getting pregnant (v5).
4) David tried to cover up what had happened, by calling
for Uriah and telling him to go to his house, figuring
that Uriah would have sex with his wife and then think
it was his child and so, David's sin would have been
covered up (vs 6-8).
5) Uriah did not go home and so, did not have sex with
his wife (vs 9-11).
6) So David kept Uriah around and tried again to get him
to go home and even got him drunk first, figuring that
would get him loose and in the mood to go home and
sleep with his wife (vs 12-13).
7) Uriah again did not go home (v13).
8) David ended up sending Uriah into the hottest part of
the battle, so he would be killed (vs 14-25).
9) David then took Bathsheba as his wife, to cover up his sin,
after she mourned Uriah (26-27).
10) But the Lord knew what David did and was displeased (v27).

Bear in mind, that people would have known that Uriah was
a loyal, dedicated servant and that he did not go in to his
wife when he had come back at David's request. For example,
he would have been seen arriving and then sleeping at the
door of the king's house, forcing David to try again, etc..

So take a look and see what the Scripture says, with the above
list in mind and see if it helps you to see a little more of
what was actually going on. Of course, I welcome any
comments and edifying correction. :)

2 Samuel 11:1-27 [NKJV]

1) It happened in the spring of the year, at the time when
kings go out to battle, that David sent Joab and his servants
with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the people of
Ammon and besieged Rabbah. But David remained at Jerusalem.
2) Then it happened one evening that David arose from his bed
and walked on the roof of the king's house. And from the roof
he saw a woman bathing, and the woman was very beautiful
to behold.
3) So David sent and inquired about the woman. And someone
said, Is this not Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife
of Uriah the Hittite?
4) Then David sent messengers, and took her; and she came
to him, and he lay with her, for she was cleansed from her
impurity; and she returned to her house.
5) And the woman conceived; so she sent and told David,
and said, I am with child.
6) Then David sent to Joab, saying, Send me Uriah the Hittite.
And Joab sent Uriah to David.
7) When Uriah had come to him, David asked how Joab was doing,
and how the people were doing, and how the war prospered.
8) And David said to Uriah, Go down to your house and wash
your feet. So Uriah departed from the king's house, and a
gift of food from the king followed him.
9) But Uriah slept at the door of the king's house with all
the servants of his lord, and did not go down to his house.
10) So when they told David, saying, Uriah did not go down
to his house, David said to Uriah, Did you not come from
a journey? Why did you not go down to your house?
11) And Uriah said to David, The ark and Israel and Judah
are dwelling in tents, and my lord Joab and the servants of
my lord are encamped in the open fields. Shall I then go to
my house to eat and drink, and to lie with my wife? As you
live, and as your soul lives, I will not do this thing.
12) Then David said to Uriah, Wait here today also,
and tomorrow I will let you depart. So Uriah remained
in Jerusalem that day and the next.
13) Now when David called him, he ate and drank before him;
and he made him drunk. And at evening he went out to lie on
his bed with the servants of his lord, but he did not go down
to his house.
14) In the morning it happened that David wrote a letter
to Joab and sent it by the hand of Uriah.
15) And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set Uriah in
the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him,
that he may be struck down and die.
16) So it was, while Joab besieged the city, that he assigned
Uriah to a place where he knew there were valiant men.
17) Then the men of the city came out and fought with Joab.
And some of the people of the servants of David fell; and
Uriah the Hittite died also.
18) Then Joab sent and told David all the things concerning
the war,
19) and charged the messenger, saying, When you have
finished telling the matters of the war to the king,
20) if it happens that the king's wrath rises, and he says
to you: Why did you approach so near to the city when
you fought? Did you not know that they would shoot
from the wall?
21) Who struck Abimelech the son of Jerubbesheth? Was it not
a woman who cast a piece of a millstone on him from the wall,
so that he died in Thebez? Why did you go near the wall?
Then you shall say, Your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead
also.
22) So the messenger went, and came and told David all that
Joab had sent by him.
23) And the messenger said to David, Surely the men prevailed
against us and came out to us in the field; then we drove them
back as far as the entrance of the gate.
24) The archers shot from the wall at your servants; and some
of the king's servants are dead, and your servant Uriah the
Hittite is dead also.
25) Then David said to the messenger, Thus you shall say
to Joab: Do not let this thing displease you, for the sword
devours one as well as another. Strengthen your attack
against the city, and overthrow it. So encourage him.
26) When the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband
was dead, she mourned for her husband.
27) And when her mourning was over, David sent and brought
her to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son.
But the thing that David had done displeased the Lord.

So what think ye? :)

And please retain the list of groups in your responses,
if possible.

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My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1

Randy had previously mentioned the issue of David & Bathsheba
and how David "took her".

2) David wanted to have sex with Bathsheba (vs 2-4).

3) Bathsheba ended up getting pregnant (v5).

So take a look and see what the Scripture says

quoted further down.
So what think ye? :)

I thought Randy had made some good comments on 2 Sam 11,
but I realized that while most note that David committed
adultery and sent Uriah to the front of the battle, so that
he would die, which is obviously true, that most people
also believe that it is just because he wanted Bathsheba
as his wife.

But I don't know that this is true. I believe that there is
more to it and that maybe David wasn't trying to make
her his wife, but rather, was forced to, due to the failure
of his original plan.

The Scriptures involved, are 2 Samuel 11:1-27, which are
quoted further down.

Randy had previously mentioned the issue of David & Bathsheba
and how David "took her". And since I am currently reading
the Samuel's and have just finished reading about this event,
the posts that were sent back and forth about these two people
entered my mind as I was reading the relevant passages.

This message is not intended to bring the rape discussion into
this thread. I merely noted that it reminded me of this issue
and I wanted to expound on the issue of David's adultery,
as a matter of Bible study and not as an argument over rape.

I thought Randy had made some good comments on 2 Sam 11,
but I realized that while most note that David committed
adultery and sent Uriah to the front of the battle, so that
he would die, which is obviously true, that most people
also believe that it is just because he wanted Bathsheba
as his wife.

But I don't know that this is true. I believe that there is
more to it and that maybe David wasn't trying to make
her his wife, but rather, was forced to, due to the failure
of his original plan.

But what plan is it that I'm talking about?

I submit that David did not plan to get Bathsheba as his wife,
but only to lay with her and that was it. But then there was
a complication, as there always is when we seek to do evil
and so, he had to formulate a new plan, to try to cover up
what he did.

So as I see it, it went as follows and again, I have quoted
the relevant Scripture for your perusal and study, below
my list of events, as I see them occurring (and hopefully
this will be edifying to those who read it):

1) It was the time of battle (v1).
2) David wanted to have sex with Bathsheba (vs 2-4).
3) Bathsheba ended up getting pregnant (v5).
4) David tried to cover up what had happened, by calling
for Uriah and telling him to go to his house, figuring
that Uriah would have sex with his wife and then think
it was his child and so, David's sin would have been
covered up (vs 6-8).
5) Uriah did not go home and so, did not have sex with
his wife (vs 9-11).
6) So David kept Uriah around and tried again to get him
to go home and even got him drunk first, figuring that
would get him loose and in the mood to go home and
sleep with his wife (vs 12-13).
7) Uriah again did not go home (v13).
8) David ended up sending Uriah into the hottest part of
the battle, so he would be killed (vs 14-25).
9) David then took Bathsheba as his wife, to cover up his sin,
after she mourned Uriah (26-27).
10) But the Lord knew what David did and was displeased (v27).

Bear in mind, that people would have known that Uriah was
a loyal, dedicated servant and that he did not go in to his
wife when he had come back at David's request. For example,
he would have been seen arriving and then sleeping at the
door of the king's house, forcing David to try again, etc..

So take a look and see what the Scripture says, with the above
list in mind and see if it helps you to see a little more of
what was actually going on. Of course, I welcome any
comments and edifying correction. :)

2 Samuel 11:1-27 [NKJV]

1) It happened in the spring of the year, at the time when
kings go out to battle, that David sent Joab and his servants
with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the people of
Ammon and besieged Rabbah. But David remained at Jerusalem.
2) Then it happened one evening that David arose from his bed
and walked on the roof of the king’s house. And from the roof
he saw a woman bathing, and the woman was very beautiful
to behold.
3) So David sent and inquired about the woman. And someone
said, Is this not Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife
of Uriah the Hittite?
4) Then David sent messengers, and took her; and she came
to him, and he lay with her, for she was cleansed from her
impurity; and she returned to her house.
5) And the woman conceived; so she sent and told David,
and said, I am with child.
6) Then David sent to Joab, saying, Send me Uriah the Hittite.
And Joab sent Uriah to David.
7) When Uriah had come to him, David asked how Joab was doing,
and how the people were doing, and how the war prospered.
8) And David said to Uriah, Go down to your house and wash
your feet. So Uriah departed from the king’s house, and a
gift of food from the king followed him.
9) But Uriah slept at the door of the king’s house with all
the servants of his lord, and did not go down to his house.
10) So when they told David, saying, Uriah did not go down
to his house, David said to Uriah, Did you not come from
a journey? Why did you not go down to your house?
11) And Uriah said to David, The ark and Israel and Judah
are dwelling in tents, and my lord Joab and the servants of
my lord are encamped in the open fields. Shall I then go to
my house to eat and drink, and to lie with my wife? As you
live, and as your soul lives, I will not do this thing.
12) Then David said to Uriah, Wait here today also,
and tomorrow I will let you depart. So Uriah remained
in Jerusalem that day and the next.
13) Now when David called him, he ate and drank before him;
and he made him drunk. And at evening he went out to lie on
his bed with the servants of his lord, but he did not go down
to his house.
14) In the morning it happened that David wrote a letter
to Joab and sent it by the hand of Uriah.
15) And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set Uriah in
the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him,
that he may be struck down and die.
16) So it was, while Joab besieged the city, that he assigned
Uriah to a place where he knew there were valiant men.
17) Then the men of the city came out and fought with Joab.
And some of the people of the servants of David fell; and
Uriah the Hittite died also.
18) Then Joab sent and told David all the things concerning
the war,
19) and charged the messenger, saying, When you have
finished telling the matters of the war to the king,
20) if it happens that the king’s wrath rises, and he says
to you: Why did you approach so near to the city when
you fought? Did you not know that they would shoot
from the wall?
21) Who struck Abimelech the son of Jerubbesheth? Was it not
a woman who cast a piece of a millstone on him from the wall,
so that he died in Thebez? Why did you go near the wall?
Then you shall say, Your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead
also.
22) So the messenger went, and came and told David all that
Joab had sent by him.
23) And the messenger said to David, Surely the men prevailed
against us and came out to us in the field; then we drove them
back as far as the entrance of the gate.
24) The archers shot from the wall at your servants; and some
of the king’s servants are dead, and your servant Uriah the
Hittite is dead also.
25) Then David said to the messenger, Thus you shall say
to Joab: Do not let this thing displease you, for the sword
devours one as well as another. Strengthen your attack
against the city, and overthrow it. So encourage him.
26) When the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband
was dead, she mourned for her husband.
27) And when her mourning was over, David sent and brought
her to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son.
But the thing that David had done displeased the Lord.

So what think ye? :)

And please retain the list of groups in your responses,
if possible.