Religions > Bible > David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology
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"Dave" |
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27 Nov 2006 01:04:46 PM |
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David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
Uncle Davey posted this tantrum:
[Snip]
Zero-integrity scumness(TM) is a characteristic proper to thyself and
that of thine Horn of plenty (plenty of shyte that is)...
Feel the love. Great "Christian" sentiment, eh?
...and is amply illustrated by the fact that when asked to link to
something, you link to a group which you both, being the only active
moderators, sienkiewicz being Horn, and Dr Day being other than of
zero integrity, wherefore he hath visibly quit the camp...
Ummm...actually...no, never mind. Davey is too entertaining right now.
...have banned me from, and set the settings so that I cannot even
see the messages.
Actually, the setting is so that *no* non-member of "banned" person can see
the messages, because I am preparing to move them. Of course, part of that,
too, is because Davey did claim that he would never return to the group, so
the temptation was removed, as well.
I cannot even see what you are talking about right now, as well you
know...
Got him again!
There we see Davey forwarding a claim that he can't really know.
I made the change in the setting quite some time ago, and I have to confess
that I didn't check with HarvestDancer or Day before doing it. Since there
was another drop in activity (somewhat deliberate, I might add...easier to
make a shift that way), I wanted to make the move, since I'm doing the
actual network, web site, and content set-up.
Jason HarvestDancer *didn't* know. Davey made a presumption and forwarded
it as a fact. It can be understood why he might have thought that to be the
case, though, so we can't call this a lie on his part (as was his claim that
I am a "failed policeman"). So here, Davey has a chance to stop pouting and
apologize to HarvestDancer for his false accusation.
...being a co-moderator, or THE co-moderator, and so it is well
illustrative
of your ZERO-INTEGRITY SCUM PERSONALITY...
And now Davey is shouting. I love it. A phony if ever there was one...
...that you cynically ask me to deal with quotes that are in there.
See above. It was *my* fault...not Jason's. Davey hows him an apology.
And it had best be immediate and unprovisional.
Need I say more?
Yep. See above.
If I do, then there's no shortage of things to say.
Obviously. And most of them are lies.
Fond regards...
Including that one.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
28 Nov 2006 01:32:32 PM |
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Dave wrote:
Uncle Davey posted this tantrum:
[Snip]
Zero-integrity scumness(TM) is a characteristic proper to thyself and
that of thine Horn of plenty (plenty of shyte that is)...
Feel the love. Great "Christian" sentiment, eh?
...and is amply illustrated by the fact that when asked to link to
something, you link to a group which you both, being the only active
moderators, sienkiewicz being Horn, and Dr Day being other than of
zero integrity, wherefore he hath visibly quit the camp...
Ummm...actually...no, never mind. Davey is too entertaining right now.
...have banned me from, and set the settings so that I cannot even
see the messages.
Actually, the setting is so that *no* non-member of "banned" person can see
the messages, because I am preparing to move them. Of course, part of that,
too, is because Davey did claim that he would never return to the group, so
the temptation was removed, as well.
I cannot even see what you are talking about right now, as well you
know...
Got him again!
There we see Davey forwarding a claim that he can't really know.
I made the change in the setting quite some time ago, and I have to confess
that I didn't check with HarvestDancer or Day before doing it. Since there
was another drop in activity (somewhat deliberate, I might add...easier to
make a shift that way), I wanted to make the move, since I'm doing the
actual network, web site, and content set-up.
Jason HarvestDancer *didn't* know. Davey made a presumption and forwarded
it as a fact. It can be understood why he might have thought that to be the
case, though, so we can't call this a lie on his part (as was his claim that
I am a "failed policeman"). So here, Davey has a chance to stop pouting and
apologize to HarvestDancer for his false accusation.
...being a co-moderator, or THE co-moderator, and so it is well
illustrative
of your ZERO-INTEGRITY SCUM PERSONALITY...
And now Davey is shouting. I love it. A phony if ever there was one...
...that you cynically ask me to deal with quotes that are in there.
See above. It was *my* fault...not Jason's. Davey hows him an apology.
And it had best be immediate and unprovisional.
Need I say more?
Yep. See above.
If I do, then there's no shortage of things to say.
Obviously. And most of them are lies.
Fond regards...
Including that one.
About an hour and a half ago, Davey ducked into the groups and posted a
couple of his hate-filled, nasty little tirades. One is here:
http://groups.google.com/group/free.christians/msg/649c2cebcc7afeaa
The other is here:
http://groups.google.com/group/free.christians/msg/936872d6eb1bacae
Quite naturally, I responded, refuting Davey again and exposing him as
a fraud. But he did have some small opportunity to redeem himself with
this thread, and he did not avail himself of that opportunity.
Further up, we see Davey making a false accusation against another
person, and facts being presented, demonstrating that the accusation
was false. It was even granted that Davey's accusation wasn't
necessarily a *lie*--this time--because he didn't really know. He just
made an assumption (as he often does) instead of out-and-out misstating
or misrepresenting some person or thing. So all he had to do was
retract and apologize for the statements that he made, as any good,
honest *person* would do (Christian or not).
Davey didn't do that. Clearly, he dropped into the group to see if
anything more was being said in the forums, discovered that it was,
tried to retaliate as best he could, and ducked out.
The other day, Davey hovered over these groups for hours, waiting for
HarvestDancer and I to post, and he tried, as pathetically as that was,
to reply to us. But as soon as we nailed him specificially on lots of
issues, he disappeared. He does that a lot--he makes excuses, but
while we can accept that coincidences do occur, they happen far too
often with Davey to be believable.
Frankly, it's quite impossible to believe that he hasn't seen the first
article in this thread. But Davey is a prideful, mean-spirited,
hateful individual who harbors so much hate for Jason HarvestDancer at
this point, that he will not apologize and retract such a clear error.
It's interesting that he's made so much noise about the integrity of
others and how we hate him and his ilk so much, yet when Jason Gastrich
was falsely accused of spousal abuse, I was among the first, if not the
first, to repudiate the claim. Davey even complimented me for that.
But it sure seems that, when someone that he hates has been accused,
especially directly by him, he's out of the pool. He won't apologize
and he won't retract. He had the opportunity to quickly resolve the
issue...and he refused.
Of course, he might try to come back in and whimper and whine that he
hadn't seen it, but he's posting from Google Groups, and it's fairly
prominent by the long subject title and the inclusion of his name.
He's got no excuses. I posted the correction 24 hours ago. Davey has
had plenty of opportunity to make it right and he's even posted twice
in that period. He didn't do it.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
29 Nov 2006 12:00:04 AM |
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Davey has still not apologized to HarvestDancer and retracted his
error. Of course, he claimed that he retracts errors, but we're not
seeing evidence of that. Instead, we're seeing evidence of exactly
what I said. He won't do it unless forced to do it, and it requires a
lot of force.
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
29 Nov 2006 09:31:33 AM |
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Dave wrote:
Davey has still not apologized to HarvestDancer and retracted his
error. Of course, he claimed that he retracts errors, but we're not
seeing evidence of that. Instead, we're seeing evidence of exactly
what I said. He won't do it unless forced to do it, and it requires a
lot of force.
I never expected him to. To do so would require integrity.
Jason Harvestdancer
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
29 Nov 2006 11:26:41 AM |
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Harvest Dancer wrote:
Dave wrote:
Davey has still not apologized to HarvestDancer and retracted his
error. Of course, he claimed that he retracts errors, but we're not
seeing evidence of that. Instead, we're seeing evidence of exactly
what I said. He won't do it unless forced to do it, and it requires a
lot of force.
I never expected him to.
He finally did...and look how he did:
"All right, I apologise to Harvestdancer for assuming he knew what was
going on in the moderation..."
So, after the thread was started almost *two* days ago, Davey has
posted several times since then, and has had four or five additional
messages refer to it, Davey finally apologized.
To do so would require integrity.
True, and he's got none of that. Davey didn't apologize because he's
got integrity. Davey did it because he really, really needs Usenet,
his stage for his "performance art," which includes pretending to be a
Christian (though the pretense slips darned quick, as we have seen and
continue to see).
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: HarvestDancer, was ...owes HarvestDancer an apology |
05 Dec 2006 05:04:35 PM |
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Harvest Dancer wrote:
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Support your claim about Sienkiewicz.
Ah Sheldon, always one to decide what the *real* topic is ... that is,
whenver Sheldon loses on the real topic instead of the "real" topic.
Ah. Behavior and actions, judging, that would be the "real" topic.
Regardless of whether I was first to post my topic, your's will
prevail. Okey dokey, then. It doesn't appear that your actions or
behavior will include supporting your claim about Sienkiewicz. We'll
start with behavior, actions and judging.
I understand you are a Wiki editor.
There are allegedly other Wiki editors who are active on Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jason...
Markkbilbo (founder of the group maleboge.org)
Daycd (aka David D., David)
Harvestdancer (aka Jason Harvestdancer)
WarriorScribe
And Cyde Weys. (Sideways?) from the wikipediareview url below
Mark Bilbo may not be the founder of maleboge, but he appears to
contribute to discussions there. I wonder how many other prolific
Usenet posters contribute to Wiki, and are judges, jurys, "lawyers" and
investigators.
Are any of these posters Christians, or not active, as you are, in
Christian groups?
There's been some talk about Wiki being taken over by people with a
certain mindset.
I wonder if you would comment on this:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=289&pid=4260&mode=thre...
(first post from Ben):
"A completely unrelated dispute erupted between me and another user,
WarriorScribe, who insisted on telling everyone I was a Christian
fundamentalist being controlled by Jason Gastrich. He kept on saying
"you're a meat puppet of Gastrich's".
(third from last post by Ryan Delaney):
"He was banned for chronic personal attacks against other editors."
On another Wiki site, Ben claims that "SonOfFred" on Usenet is
"WarriorScribe". He may be wrong, but "SonOfFred" is none other than
"Dave Horn", 68.105.118.6 found on some headers from both posters.
Now Ben denies that he was a Christian fundamentalist, and claims he
told the member who had allegedly made the claim that he was not.
My question to you: Do you consider making multiple claims that someone
is a fundamentalist and a "meat puppet" not to be chronic personal
attacks?
Whether you do or not, would you consider that personal attacks are
ever justified?
And if do consider some personal attacks justified, how would you
propose they be resolved?
Do you ever personally attack people?
"Ah Sheldon, always one to decide what the *real* topic is ... that is,
whenver Sheldon loses on the real topic instead of the "real" topic."
Does that not constitute a personal attack because you didn't use
"abusive language"?
At least I use my real name. However, referring to me by my last name
seems disrespectful.
Is disrespectful language abusive? Or again, is it only when words such
as "*****" are used?
I have so many questions of you, and am considering finding out more
about you and Horn and Sienkiewicz. Right now I'm just judging
behavior, which you seem to think is the *real topic*. Your behavior,
and Horn's.
I ask myself, would you or Horn behave differently when you are in an
unmoderated Christian Usenet group, than you would at Wiki or anywhere
else? And would you feel justified in behaving differently.
As to the games Horn plays, you know, the ones you know nothing about,
intimidation tactics, attempts to draw others out, all those goodies, I
will say this. Don't be fooled into thinking that I live in a trailer
house wondering how I'm going to get by in the next week or so.
I've got high speed internet access, so there! (Oops, forgot the "and")
^&^%^%)*^(#)(*^@)($&*#*&#&%(*^*^&*&(*&@^
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: HarvestDancer, was ...owes HarvestDancer an apology |
05 Dec 2006 05:42:53 PM |
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On 5 Dec 2006 15:04:35 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Glenn"
<GlennSheldon@msn.com> shouted thusly:
will say this. Don't be fooled into thinking that I live in a trailer
house wondering how I'm going to get by in the next week or so.
I've got high speed internet access, so there! (Oops, forgot the "and")
We have two Glenn's and maybe now, three.
Are you either:
1) Glenn (oldwetdog).
2) Glenn the Christian Mystic.
???
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Glenn" |
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05 Dec 2006 06:07:39 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Dec 2006 15:04:35 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Glenn"
<GlennSheldon@msn.com> shouted thusly:
will say this. Don't be fooled into thinking that I live in a trailer
house wondering how I'm going to get by in the next week or so.
I've got high speed internet access, so there! (Oops, forgot the "and")
We have two Glenn's and maybe now, three.
Are you either:
1) Glenn (oldwetdog).
2) Glenn the Christian Mystic.
Horn and Sienkiewicz know, who I am, they've both seen fit to include
both my name and city in posts before. Incidentally, both of those
posters have shared a common IP address in their post headers, as have
"SonOfFred", "CarsonWest", "Ultramaroon", "Adam Warlock" and many
others who do not admit to being the same poster, some denying they
are.
No, I'm neither. And I don't and never have used sock puppets. Right
now I'm posting under a couple different addresses, and did use a third
in one thread recently, but I never denied who I was, and the reasons
for this are known. I emailed the moderator the first time I needed to
use another address in the recent case, and discussed it in the group.
The second recent one I created a new thread for, so everyone could
know and know why, all in talk.origins. All of my postings until
recently have been to talk.origins. To the best of my recollection,
that is. Of course, replying to crossposts gets me out there, but I've
never initiated any posts to another group.
I have in the past changed accounts and addresses, but never for
sockpuppetry or deception. I used to go by the nickname "Newbie", and
have had several screen names over the years. There were reasons for
them all, but never to change my appearance. My first appearance to
Usenet was with Deja. Things kind of fell apart after they shut down. I
can't remember the next service I used after Deja.
Now what is bungee jumping to do with what I posted? And who are you?
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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05 Dec 2006 07:32:38 PM |
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On 5 Dec 2006 16:07:39 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Glenn"
<GlennSheldon@msn.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 5 Dec 2006 15:04:35 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Glenn"
<GlennSheldon@msn.com> shouted thusly:
will say this. Don't be fooled into thinking that I live in a trailer
house wondering how I'm going to get by in the next week or so.
I've got high speed internet access, so there! (Oops, forgot the "and")
We have two Glenn's and maybe now, three.
Are you either:
1) Glenn (oldwetdog).
2) Glenn the Christian Mystic.
No, I'm neither. And I don't and never have used sock puppets.
I was not implying anything of the sort. I just saw the name
and was wondering if you were one of those Glenn's, whose
names really are Glenn. :)
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
29 Nov 2006 11:14:55 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
On 27 Lis, 20:04, "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Davey posted this tantrum:
[Snip]
Zero-integrity scumness(TM) is a characteristic proper to thyself and
that of thine Horn of plenty (plenty of shyte that is)...
Feel the love. =C2=A0Great "Christian" sentiment, eh?
...and is amply illustrated by the fact that when asked to link to
something, you link to a group which you both, being the only active
moderators, sienkiewicz being Horn, and Dr Day being other than of
zero integrity, wherefore he hath visibly quit the camp...
Ummm...actually...no, never mind. =C2=A0Davey is too entertaining right=
now.
...have banned me from, and set the settings so that I cannot even
see the messages.
Actually, the setting is so that *no* non-member of "banned" person can=
see
the messages, because I am preparing to move them. =C2=A0Of course, par=
t of that,
too, is because Davey did claim that he would never return to the group=
, so
the temptation was removed, as well.
That should be "*or* banned person."
I cannot even see what you are talking about right now, as well you
know...
Got him again!
There we see Davey forwarding a claim that he can't really know.
I made the change in the setting quite some time ago, and I have to con=
fess
that I didn't check with HarvestDancer or Day before doing it. =C2=A0Si=
nce there
was another drop in activity (somewhat deliberate, I might add...easier=
to
make a shift that way), I wanted to make the move, since I'm doing the
actual network, web site, and content set-up.
Jason HarvestDancer *didn't* know. =C2=A0Davey made a presumption and f=
orwarded
it as a fact. =C2=A0It can be understood why he might have thought that=
to be the
case, though, so we can't call this a lie on his part (as was his claim=
that
I am a "failed policeman"). =C2=A0So here, Davey has a chance to stop p=
outing and
apologize to HarvestDancer for his false accusation.
...being a co-moderator, or THE co-moderator, and so it is well
illustrative of your ZERO-INTEGRITY SCUM PERSONALITY...
And now Davey is shouting. =C2=A0I love it. =C2=A0A phony if ever there=
was one...
...that you cynically ask me to deal with quotes that are in there.
See above. =C2=A0It was *my* fault...not Jason's. =C2=A0Davey [owes] hi=
m an apology.
And it had best be immediate and unprovisional.
Need I say more?Yep. =C2=A0See above.
If I do, then there's no shortage of things to say.
Obviously. =C2=A0And most of them are lies.
Fond regards...Including that one.
All right, I apologise to Harvestdancer for assuming he knew what was
going on in the moderation. I might have known that you wouldn't bother
to tell him.
Fact is, Davey not only didn't know, but made an assumption. He was
wrong, and he had to be *forced* to admit it.
I really wonder whether you've bothered to tell him that
I'm right about Sienkiewicz, too.
There's no reason for me to tell him such a thing, because it's not
true, and Davey is lying, as he has been all along. Remember, Davey
*will* *lie*, and he condones lies as long as they serve his purpose.
Please try and be a bit more partnerly to him in the future. He needs
you, you know. As an ex-cop you should be able to be a good partner ...
or is that the reason you "left"?
In fact, that's another lie we're waiting to hear about. Davey has
claimed that I was a "failed policeman," and he has been challenged
multiple times to provide his evidence. He has refused...and why?
Because he *made* *it* *up*. He had no idea, decided that he was going
to lie to the readers, and has been ducking the issue ever since.
Incidentally, if you start doing a site about me, I reserve the right
to do a "tit for tat" site back. In fact, as you know, I already
reserved the www.titfort.at domain name.
Davey presumes a bit much, as usual. There will be no site about
*him*. It may include him, but that's not quite the same thing. In
the meantime, I won't be too concerned with Davey's "site." Still, we
have to wonder, don't we? Did Jesus preach this sort of "titfortat?"
Let's keep in mind that nothing that Davey says about me or anyone else
is prompted by the truth, but by his intense hatred and need for
revenge--which are just a couple of the things that make Davey a fraud
as a "Christian."
Unless someone gives me a reasonable offer, in which case I've still
got the Zazu name.
It fits you on so many levels.
Last time I said that, I got chided by you for not explaining why it
fits you on so many levels, and I would throw it out to the readership
as a competition, first prize being a link of their choice situated on
that domain, only the problem there is that we don't really have a
readership, as such, as we bored them all away, (well, mainly you did,
you're the repetitive one) so there's no point in doing that. Therefore
this time I'll indulge you with the reason why Zazu fits you on so many
levels.
Firstly, Zazu is the hornbill in Disney. You are David Horn, so that
fits.
Wow. I haven't had this kind of liberty taken with my last name since
the fourth grade. Perhaps Davey never martured past that age, either
in thinking that this sort of commentary makes any difference at all or
in thinking that my feelings will be hurt by it.
Secondly, the Latin name for a Hornbill is Tockus. And you used to go
"tick tock" every time you wrote a response to me.
Thirdly, he flies around chiding the King's son and trying to make him
grow up properly. You do that to the King's sons in here. Of course not
from the good motives of the Disney character, but the fleeting
resemblance is amusing.
Notice the presumption, here, and we should ask: Just who is the
"King's son?" Who have I been chiding? Well, Davey, himself, of
course, and those like him. It's hysterical that Davey responds to all
of that with juvenile name-calling and the same sort of arrogance that
got him into this mess in the first place.
I could, of course, argue that I have "good motives," and most of us
can understand them. But Davey is a fraud, and doesn't care about any
of that.
Fourthly, the face of Zazu is based on Rowan Atkinson with a big nose,
and it's a reasonable bet that you look that way, in real life. I
certainly imagine you that way, anyway.
On the other hand, Davey has no idea what I might look like, but notice
the juvenile tactic here--so plain and obvious. Unable to actually
deal with any of the facts presented, Davey's entire line of
argumentation has descended to elementary school taunts about my name
and nonsense not so very far away from "you so ugly" jokes. It's
hysterical. Jesus must be very proud.
Fifthly, "zazu" is Hebrew for motion, and you are always in motion on
Usenet kicking someone's ***** or other, and you speak Hebrew.
And sixthly the material harvest from the casque of the hornbill is
known in Chinese medecine as "h=C3=A8d=C7=90ng". And you are "h=C3=A8d=C7=
=90ng" for
trouble by rubbing me up the wrong way, with that casque of yours.
So it is really the ideal nickname for you.
Feel the love.
Do we feel the love? Davey almost certainly thinks he's clever with
the response, but does anyone really see the spirit or words of Jesus
Christ in his comments and attitudes? The answer tends to be "no." So
he's a phony--a fraud--and every time he posts, he posts more evidence
of that.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
02 Dec 2006 07:23:09 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
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Kindly do better than that. Kindly post proof, and I shall repent in
sackcloth and ashes.
You expect me to prove the existence of God, and you cannot prove the
existence of David Sienkiewicz.
The problem, as usual, is that Davey ducks his burden. The burden of
proof falls to the claimant, and the claimant is Davey. He has
provided no evidence for his accusations--only vague assertions and
innuendos that have been refuted. We need to keep in mind that Davey
is a liar, and *will* lie when it suits his purpose. Davey's denials
are nothing more than denials, and even the Scriptures say that Davey
is a liar, so it's not something that he can deny with any credibility,
even among Christians.
Nobody has to prove anything to Davey's satisfaction. That's not how
it works. Davey's assertions are for *him* to prove--not for anyone
else to disprove. The fact that he always tries to duck and shift the
burden of proof is a testament to and evidence for the claims that have
been made about him with respect to his ego.
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| User: "Dave" |
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02 Dec 2006 10:07:58 AM |
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By the way, just to give folks an FYI on how much Davey's into everyone
*else* puppeting others...here's a message in which he implied that
HarvestDancer was Pericope:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/48a94cfeee446d7d
Jason wrote: "Never did I accuse you of manipulating knowledgabe Christians
who are secure in their faith."
To which Davey replied, " Well, I did remeber to keep one of the articles,
which partially addresses you, and partly Pericope, if indeed you are
separate persons."
"If indeed you are separate persons." Funny stuff.
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
02 Dec 2006 08:59:16 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
On 2 Gru, 14:23, "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:[Snip]
Kindly do better than that. Kindly post proof, and I shall repent in
sackcloth and ashes.
You expect me to prove the existence of God, and you cannot prove the
existence of David Sienkiewicz.
The problem, as usual, is that Davey ducks his burden. The burden of
proof falls to the claimant, and the claimant is Davey. He has
provided no evidence for his accusations--only vague assertions and
innuendos that have been refuted. We need to keep in mind that Davey
is a liar, and *will* lie when it suits his purpose. Davey's denials
are nothing more than denials, and even the Scriptures say that Davey
is a liar, so it's not something that he can deny with any credibility,
even among Christians.
Nobody has to prove anything to Davey's satisfaction. That's not how
it works. Davey's assertions are for *him* to prove--not for anyone
else to disprove. The fact that he always tries to duck and shift the
burden of proof is a testament to and evidence for the claims that have
been made about him with respect to his ego.
Let's put it another way, then: if you can be BeckyLynn Blunt, then why
can't you be Sienkiewicz?
I have to say that I'm amused that Davey, who doesn't seem to have time
to respond and correct his errors and lies, has plenty of time to
research very old Usenet articles. But Davey is trying to be a bit
more sly, this time around. Rather than make a direct claim, he tries
some rhetoric. He still hasn't provided any evidence for any of his
other claims to my alleged "sock-puppetry" as a means by which he can
presume to misdirect attention away from him, as the alleged
"Christian" in this discussion. Becky and I had a falling out and I've
seen neither hide nor hair of her in almost seven years, but that's how
desperate Davey is getting. So far, I've been accused of socking
David, Becky, Frank Pericope, Ultra Maroon, Aaron Clausen, and a host
of others--and no evidence is *ever* offered.
Remember...Davey *will* lie as long as it suits his purpose. He's a
liar. He's denied it, but he's been caught too many times.
The accusation is his. The claims are his. The burden of proof is
his. And the sins and the lies are his. I baited Davey into going
into full revenge mode, and it worked. What Davey says or does with
respect to me doesn't matter. He's impotent. But he's also a phony.
Whatever I may or may not have done is not the measure by which Davey
should behave. I don't provide that, according to Davey's alleged
belief system--*Jesus* does.
Not too long ago, Davey boasted of his recent travels. If his own
Scriptures are right, he's gone one, final country to visit...he'll be
staying there, actually, and not all the sunblock in the world will
help him.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: "Uncle" Davey's Perversions and Lies |
02 Dec 2006 09:43:58 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
On 2 Gru, 15:54, "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
On 2 Gru, 14:23, "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:[Snip]
Kindly do better than that. Kindly post proof, and I shall repent
in
sackcloth and ashes.
You expect me to prove the existence of God, and you cannot prove
the
existence of David Sienkiewicz.
The problem, as usual, is that Davey ducks his burden. The burden
of
proof falls to the claimant, and the claimant is Davey. He has
provided no evidence for his accusations--only vague assertions and
innuendos that have been refuted. We need to keep in mind that
Davey
is a liar, and *will* lie when it suits his purpose. Davey's
denials
are nothing more than denials, and even the Scriptures say that
Davey
is a liar, so it's not something that he can deny with any
credibility,
even among Christians.
Nobody has to prove anything to Davey's satisfaction. That's not
how
it works. Davey's assertions are for *him* to prove--not for anyone
else to disprove. The fact that he always tries to duck and shift
the
burden of proof is a testament to and evidence for the claims that
have
been made about him with respect to his ego.
Let's put it another way, then: if you can be BeckyLynn Blunt, then
why
can't you be Sienkiewicz?
I have to say that I'm amused that Davey, who doesn't seem to have time
to respond and correct his errors and lies, has plenty of time to
research very old Usenet articles.
Something you would *never* do, right, Dave?
Once again, I am not the measure by which Davey should be comparing himself
with respect to his behavior. I'll grant that I research articles for my
own purposes. Davey's purposes are twisting and revenge.
But Davey is trying to be a bit
more sly, this time around. Rather than make a direct claim, he tries
some rhetoric. He still hasn't provided any evidence for any of his
other claims to my alleged "sock-puppetry" as a means by which he can
presume to misdirect attention away from him, as the alleged
"Christian" in this discussion. Becky and I had a falling out and I've
seen neither hide nor hair of her in almost seven years, but that's how
desperate Davey is getting.
I'm glad you only "fell out" with that one, instead of killing her
softly with a mysterious disease or sending her to the Middle East.
Once again, Davey makes his accusations and offers not a single bit of
proof. In fact, this whole response is a mechanism by which he dodges that
burden, exposing him as a fraud, yet again.
But this reminds me: Davey told another lie, recently, and hasn't owned up
to it. He claimed that I "create puppets people of the same views as you
like and then you make them
die," but he has never provided any proof of this. Even if we only consider
his claims about David, Davey provided no other example of such an incident.
He *made* *it* *up*, just as he made up the whole thing about David (and
Frank, and Ultra Maroon, and AC, and Becky, and everybody else), so that he
could direct the heat from him. He *lied*.
So far, I've been accused of socking
David, Becky, Frank Pericope, Ultra Maroon, Aaron Clausen, and a host
of others--and no evidence is *ever* offered.
I have not accused you or socking pericope. I accused Sienkiewicz of
socking Pericope. If you call that accusing you, then that's an
admission of being Sienkiewicz. Todah rabah, ve layla tovah.
The fact is that I have an article in which Davey accused *me* of socking
Pericope. You see, Davey has again fallen into the trap that I've mentioned
several times: When one tells too many lies, one loses track of the lies.
Leave it to Davey to try to twist with rhetoric, but remember: Davey *will*
lie, and he condones lies.
Remember...Davey *will* lie as long as it suits his purpose. He's a
liar. He's denied it, but he's been caught too many times.
The accusation is his. The claims are his. The burden of proof is
his. And the sins and the lies are his. I baited Davey into going
into full revenge mode, and it worked. What Davey says or does with
respect to me doesn't matter. He's impotent. But he's also a phony.
Whatever I may or may not have done is not the measure by which Davey
should behave. I don't provide that, according to Davey's alleged
belief system--*Jesus* does.
Not too long ago, Davey boasted of his recent travels. If his own
Scriptures are right, he's gone one, final country to visit...he'll be
staying there, actually, and not all the sunblock in the world will
help him.- Ukryj cytowany tekst -- Poka? cytowany tekst -
Well if the "scriptures" *you* believe are true, when I die, I rot,
which is no better.
Davey, in fact, has no idea what I believe, other than that there's no Hell.
But here, Davey gives away the store.
But you appear to be accelerating the process by
talking rot already.
None of which Davey can *prove* is "rot."
You show yourself up to be a twister of facts, of other people's words
and of scripture.
And here we go, again. Davey whines that there have been facts twisted, but
he doesn't provide the specifics. He claims that I've twisted Scripture.
Gee...which parts? The parts that say that one shouldn't lie? That one
should turn the other cheek, go with a man two miles if he'd have you go
one, or give him your cloak, also, if he demands your coat? Davey often
makes these kinds of vague whinings, and never provides substance. He knows
I'm not twisting words or Scripture. If that were so, he could
*demonstrate* it instead of whine about it. The fact is that Davey almost
never gets into Scripture, and never has, that I can recall, in response to
my own invocation of Scripture.
Your version of the Gospel does not worry me.
My "version" of the Gospel directly quotes the words of Jesus as standards
by which Davey is supposed to live and behave, and he's never had a response
to any of that.
It may come from hell, but it doesn't mean I'm going there.
In general, I've only referred to the words of Jesus. Davey is now saying
that those words "come from Hell." Does anyone still believe that Davey is
another other than a fraud?
If the Rock of Ages is cleft for me, there's nothing you or anyone else
can do about it.
Davey's all about the empty rhetoric, but when it comes to actually "walking
the talk," he can't do it.
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
02 Dec 2006 08:22:44 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
[Snip]
You expect me to prove the existence of God, and you
cannot prove the existence of David Sienkiewicz.
Other than that most are quite satisfied, it's interesting that Davey
decided to phrase it this way. You see, it's immaterial to most of us
what Davey chooses to believe. I'd even go so far as to suggest that
no one really *cares*.
But notice that Davey doesn't admit that he *can't* prove the existence
of God. He's done that elsewhere. Why not here? On that question
rests the immortal souls of millions--or billions--of people, according
to Davey's alleged beliefs. While he insists that others take on a
burden of proof with respect to his own claims about another human
being, against whom no one measures his or her soul, Davey doesn't tell
us the whole truth, that is, that he not only can't provide evidence
for God, but that he has claimed that we *must* take it as an issue of
faith. The word "must" is one that he has used, and yet, when asked
why it is that we *must* take it on faith, Davey can never explain. He
doesn't even make the attempt. Oh, there are the occasional
evangelical messages, but there's no *proof* of anything. So Davey
spends a great deal of time demanding proof of others, even to the
point of arrogantly challenging others to convince *him* of any other
viewpoint, which his dissonance, ignorance, and intransigence makes
impossible. Meanwhile, Davey never provides proof of anything,
himself, and this has led to a number of wild and not-so-wild claims
that have been dropped into the newsgroups. According to Davey, he is
a businessman of "great stature," he has friends in the Mossad, he has
"clever agents" whom he can send by to blow up trashcans (and whatever
else, by allusion), and he has bravely stood up to KGB interrogation.
He has presumed to speak for God and, when he was mocked, responded by
asserting that "God is not mocked." He claims that I was a "failed
policeman" and never provides anything factual to back it up (and he
has since fled that claim completely, neither retracting for
apologizing for what had to be an obvious lie). He lied about the
retail price of Lenny Flank's published books at Amazon. He condones
trickery and deception by others if it prevents web surfers from seeing
material of which he disapproves. The number of lies and
misrepresentations that Davey has loaded into the group is rather
immense when compared to most users. Davey is all about deception and
lying as long as it serves his purpose or has some sort of Gospel
component, as he sees it. Of course, his is not the behavior of a
Christian, at all. Davey is, at best, fooling himself and is fully
immersed in delusion. At worst, he is simply playing the audience
here, with Usenet as the stage for what he has admitted is his
"performance art."
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: David James, alleged "Christian," aka "Uncle" Davey, Nym, Detlef, et al., owes HarvestDancer an apology |
02 Dec 2006 09:01:01 AM |
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"Uncle Davey" <jerzy.jakubowski@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1165070060.471431.149790@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
On 2 Gru, 15:22, "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:[Snip]
You expect me to prove the existence of God, and you
cannot prove the existence of David Sienkiewicz.Other than that most
are quite satisfied, it's interesting that Davey
decided to phrase it this way. You see, it's immaterial to most of us
what Davey chooses to believe. I'd even go so far as to suggest that
no one really *cares*.
But notice that Davey doesn't admit that he *can't* prove the existence
of God. He's done that elsewhere. Why not here? On that question
rests the immortal souls of millions--or billions--of people, according
to Davey's alleged beliefs. While he insists that others take on a
burden of proof with respect to his own claims about another human
being, against whom no one measures his or her soul, Davey doesn't tell
us the whole truth, that is, that he not only can't provide evidence
for God, but that he has claimed that we *must* take it as an issue of
faith. The word "must" is one that he has used, and yet, when asked
why it is that we *must* take it on faith, Davey can never explain. He
doesn't even make the attempt. Oh, there are the occasional
evangelical messages, but there's no *proof* of anything. So Davey
spends a great deal of time demanding proof of others, even to the
point of arrogantly challenging others to convince *him* of any other
viewpoint, which his dissonance, ignorance, and intransigence makes
impossible. Meanwhile, Davey never provides proof of anything,
himself, and this has led to a number of wild and not-so-wild claims
that have been dropped into the newsgroups. According to Davey, he is
a businessman of "great stature," he has friends in the Mossad, he has
"clever agents" whom he can send by to blow up trashcans (and whatever
else, by allusion), and he has bravely stood up to KGB interrogation.
He has presumed to speak for God and, when he was mocked, responded by
asserting that "God is not mocked." He claims that I was a "failed
policeman" and never provides anything factual to back it up (and he
has since fled that claim completely, neither retracting for
apologizing for what had to be an obvious lie). He lied about the
retail price of Lenny Flank's published books at Amazon. He condones
trickery and deception by others if it prevents web surfers from seeing
material of which he disapproves. The number of lies and
misrepresentations that Davey has loaded into the group is rather
immense when compared to most users. Davey is all about deception and
lying as long as it serves his purpose or has some sort of Gospel
component, as he sees it. Of course, his is not the behavior of a
Christian, at all. Davey is, at best, fooling himself and is fully
immersed in delusion. At worst, he is simply playing the audience
here, with Usenet as the stage for what he has admitted is his
"performance art."
Whatever you say, "BeckyLynn". *splurf*
There's nothing more amusing than watching Davey respond to me, and prove
what I said in the material that he quotes immediately above. It's
priceless, in fact.
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