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"Noahs Dove" |
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11 Nov 2006 12:02:17 PM |
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Dead Orthodoxy -what is the solution? |
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ.
One of the shortcomings and sins of the of those claiming to defend
the Christian faith is a lack of love, compassion and the practice of
mercy. We have seen this over and over
again in churches and various ministries. Christ spoke the truth in
love. However when we as believers speak the truth without love the
message we deliver is dead and unattractive. When this happens people
are turned off to follow all kinds of cults, mystical movemets etc.
that offer attractive poison mixed with little truth.
The gospel given by Jesus is not cold, dry and unattractive. The
message of Christ offers God's love, hope, forgiveness, redemption,
true faith and is full of grace.
Why then is the image of the church and Christians to-day so
different? If we follow men's teaching no matter how logical and
orthodox it may sound...it will not produce the fruit of the
Spirit....only by abiding in Christ and being led by His Spirit can
believers bear the proper fruit pleasing to God. The following
teaching of Christ and scriptures may shed some
salt and light on the problem. Any comments appreciated.
Sincerely in the Lamb,
Noah's Dove Research
Matt.5
1 [43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
2 [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you;
3 [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do
not even the publicans the same?
Matt.22
1 [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all
thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
2 [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.
Matt.23
1 [23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier
matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have
done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matt.24
1 [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
Mark.12
1 [30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.
2 [31] And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than
these.
3 [33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the
understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to
love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings
and sacrifices.
4 [38] And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes,
which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the
marketplaces,
1Cor.8
1 [1] Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all
have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Cor.13
1 [1] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have
not charity (love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling
cymbal.
2 [2] And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I
could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 [3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I
give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me
nothing.
4 [4] Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not;
charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 [8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they
shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there
be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
6 [13] And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the
greatest of these is charity.
1Cor.16
1 [14] Let all your things be done with charity.
Col.3
1 [14] And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond
of perfectness.
1Tim.1
1 [5] Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart,
and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Tim.4
1 [12] Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the
believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith,
in purity.
2Tim.2
1 [22] Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith,
charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Tim.3
1 [10] But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life,
purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Tit.2
1 [2] That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith,
in charity, in patience.
1Pet.4
1 [8] And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for
charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Pet.5
1 [14] Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you
all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
2Pet.1
1 [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness
charity.
John.15
1 [1] I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 [4] Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of
itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in
me.
3 [5] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and
I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do
nothing.
Gal.5
1 [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Eph.5
1 [9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and
righteousness and truth;)
Gal.5
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ
shall profit you nothing.
[3] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are
justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[5] For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by
faith.
[6] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[7] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the
truth?
[8] This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[9] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[10] I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none
otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment,
whosoever he be.
[11] And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer
persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[12] I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[13] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not
liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[14] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt
love thy neighbour as thyself.
[15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not
consumed one of another.
[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the
lust of the flesh.
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye
cannot do the things that ye would.
[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the
which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the
affections and lusts.
[25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another,
envying one another.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Dead Orthodoxy -what is the solution? |
12 Nov 2006 10:09:24 AM |
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"Noah's Dove" <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> wrote in message
news:1163268137.224931.122390@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ.
One of the shortcomings and sins of the of those claiming to defend
the Christian faith is a lack of love, compassion and the practice of
mercy. We have seen this over and over
again in churches and various ministries. Christ spoke the truth in
love.
This is the god of love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends?
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY gods. ALL god beliefs are based on
the 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
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| User: "Noahs Dove" |
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| Title: Re: Dead Orthodoxy -what is the solution? |
13 Nov 2006 11:51:24 AM |
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A nation or a culture can be great or it can be destroyed from within
by moral corruption of it's people and leaders. In the history of
Israel you see times of great blessing and great suffering depending on
how faithful they were in worshipping God and following his
commandments. A careful overview of Old Testament history will show
this clearly. Please read what Moses was instructed by God to write and
declare to the people of Israel.
Deuteronomy 28
[1] And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto
the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his
commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will
set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
[2] And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if
thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
[3] Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the
field.
[4] Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy
ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the
flocks of thy sheep.
[5] Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[6] Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou
be when thou goest out
[7] The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be
smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and
flee before thee seven ways.
[8] The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses,
and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee
in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[9] The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he
hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD
thy God, and walk in his ways.
[10] And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the
name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
[11] And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of
thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy
ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
[12] The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to
give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of
thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not
borrow.
[13] And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou
shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou
hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee
this day, to observe and to do them:
[14] And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command
thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other
gods to serve them.
Moses here warns the people about God's judgments when individuals and
nations abandon God and seek not to obey and follow His teaching and
commandments.
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice
of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his
statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall
come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the
field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land,
the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[19] Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be
when thou goest out.
[20] The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in
all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be
destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of
thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
[21] The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have
consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
[22] The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever,
and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the
sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee
until thou perish.
[23] And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth
that is under thee shall be iron.
[Please read chapters 24 to 68 for further warnings...]
Many nations today are facing many domestic, social and other problems
such an increase in crime, violence, terrorism, war and poor
leadership. Is there a solution for all these increasing concerns? Yes,
God has not left us in the dark as to how individuals, families and
nations can solve their problems. The answer may be as simple as
turning away from our false gods and idols and turning back to the God
who made us. He has provided the solution for mankind in the atonement
and ongoing work of His Son, Jesus.
Some Biblical References:
The Bible contains clear solutions for mankinds ills. If you read it
you will discover this truth in the Good News it contains. May God
bless you as He opens our hearts and eyes to see.
2 Chronicles 7
[14] If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble
themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked
ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land.
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