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"Pastor Dave" |
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08 Sep 2007 05:16:22 AM |
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Death Destroyed |
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
09 Sep 2007 04:52:25 AM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
His,
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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: " ::: good news :::" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
09 Sep 2007 08:24:19 AM |
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In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross... and
that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true any more?
His,
God bless you,
::: vera :::
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
09 Sep 2007 10:35:36 PM |
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kiag3F3p5qhU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross... and
that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true any more?
The reign of death ended with the giving of the law: "death reigned from
Adam to Moses" (Rom 5:14). And death was destroyed at the cross for all but
not all accepted the sacrifice and the gift of eternal life, allowing death
to linger to the end of the world to come, and it is the last thing
destroyed at the judgrment before the new heaven and new earth.: "The last
enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (1 Cor. 15:26).
God bless,
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: " ::: good news :::" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
10 Sep 2007 12:46:07 AM |
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In news:dQ3Fi.2740$3Y1.2377@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kiag3F3p5qhU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross...
and that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true
any more?
The reign of death ended with the giving of the law: "death reigned
from Adam to Moses" (Rom 5:14). And death was destroyed at the cross
for all but not all accepted the sacrifice and the gift of eternal
life, allowing death to linger to the end of the world to come, and
it is the last thing destroyed at the judgrment before the new heaven
and new earth.: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (1
Cor. 15:26). God bless,
His,
Amen, Fred.
So the people who lived until Moses had no chance to overcome death, but
when God gave the law, people could try to overcome death by keeping it,
and it was written on the hearts oft hose whom He called His. :-) But
keeping the law is impossible for humans. Only Jesus could keep it, and
as He gave himself as a sacrifice for our sins, He, who was without sin,
we no longer live under the law but under God's grace. I cannot
understand why people reject His free gift of eternal life to them while
there is nothing they have to do but believe in Him, trust Him. They all
prefer death as it seems...
But God said that He sent His Son for all the people. Why do they not
just rejoice and be happy about it?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For
God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the
world should be saved through him. (John 3:16-17 WEB)
God bless,
::: vera :::
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
10 Sep 2007 11:26:27 PM |
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kk40vF407n1U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:dQ3Fi.2740$3Y1.2377@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kiag3F3p5qhU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross...
and that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true
any more?
The reign of death ended with the giving of the law: "death reigned
from Adam to Moses" (Rom 5:14). And death was destroyed at the cross
for all but not all accepted the sacrifice and the gift of eternal
life, allowing death to linger to the end of the world to come, and
it is the last thing destroyed at the judgrment before the new heaven
and new earth.: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (1
Cor. 15:26). God bless,
His,
Amen, Fred.
So the people who lived until Moses had no chance to overcome death, but
when God gave the law, people could try to overcome death by keeping it,
and it was written on the hearts oft hose whom He called His. :-) But
keeping the law is impossible for humans. Only Jesus could keep it, and as
He gave himself as a sacrifice for our sins, He, who was without sin, we
no longer live under the law but under God's grace. I cannot understand
why people reject His free gift of eternal life to them while there is
nothing they have to do but believe in Him, trust Him. They all prefer
death as it seems...
Before the law was given, no one knew the law, but they could be saved by
faith and not violating it, Enos, for example. Moses on the other hand
wasn't aware of
anything more than man's law when he killed the Egyptian, burying the body
in the sand. And condemnation was immediate with death. The people of old in
the pit (Ezek 26:20) died in sin before the law was given. That is why Satan
tried to claim the body of Moses (Jude 1:9). With the giving of the law,
death was deferred to the Judgment, and Satan's claim to Moses' body was
rebuked. In the meantime the price was paid at the cross. If interessed, for
more see
The Dispensations @ http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
I don't understand not accepting the gift either, and the time will come
when they will wonder too.
But God said that He sent His Son for all the people. Why do they not just
rejoice and be happy about it?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God
didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world
should be saved through him. (John 3:16-17 WEB)
Amen!
That judgment was coming was already established, and the Lord came to save
us from it.
God bless,
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: " ::: good news :::" |
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11 Sep 2007 06:46:18 PM |
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In news:PNoFi.14699$3x.12627@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kk40vF407n1U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:dQ3Fi.2740$3Y1.2377@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5kiag3F3p5qhU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the
cross... and that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that
not true any more?
The reign of death ended with the giving of the law: "death reigned
from Adam to Moses" (Rom 5:14). And death was destroyed at the cross
for all but not all accepted the sacrifice and the gift of eternal
life, allowing death to linger to the end of the world to come, and
it is the last thing destroyed at the judgrment before the new
heaven and new earth.: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is
death" (1 Cor. 15:26). God bless,
His,
Amen, Fred.
So the people who lived until Moses had no chance to overcome death,
but when God gave the law, people could try to overcome death by
keeping it, and it was written on the hearts oft hose whom He called
His. :-) But keeping the law is impossible for humans. Only Jesus
could keep it, and as He gave himself as a sacrifice for our sins,
He, who was without sin, we no longer live under the law but under
God's grace. I cannot understand why people reject His free gift of
eternal life to them while there is nothing they have to do but
believe in Him, trust Him. They all prefer death as it seems...
Before the law was given, no one knew the law, but they could be
saved by faith and not violating it, Enos, for example. Moses on the
other hand wasn't aware of
anything more than man's law when he killed the Egyptian, burying the
body in the sand. And condemnation was immediate with death. The
people of old in the pit (Ezek 26:20) died in sin before the law was
given. That is why Satan tried to claim the body of Moses (Jude 1:9).
With the giving of the law, death was deferred to the Judgment, and
Satan's claim to Moses' body was rebuked. In the meantime the price
was paid at the cross. If interessed, for more see
The Dispensations @ http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
Did not God bury Moses Himself? That must have annoyed Satan. Wait a
minute... There, I have found that passage...
And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have
caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over
thither. So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of
Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley
in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his
sepulchre unto this day. (Deuteronomy 34:4-6 KJV)
Now I know why the Lord buried him Himself at a place which only he knew
about...
I don't understand not accepting the gift either, and the time will
come when they will wonder too.
True, but then it will be too late. They should start to seek God now,
as long as there is time for that.
But God said that He sent His Son for all the people. Why do they
not just rejoice and be happy about it?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but
that the world should be saved through him. (John 3:16-17 WEB)
Amen!
That judgment was coming was already established, and the Lord came
to save us from it.
Oh yes, now I see. It was still a result of the disobedience of men in
Paradise. But God has never stopped to love his creatures. We must learn
to listen to God and seek His voice in the silence, and in all the
noise.
God bless,
His,
God bless,
::: vera :::
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Abrams1117" |
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09 Sep 2007 03:56:42 PM |
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On Sep 9, 6:24 am, " ::: good news :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross... and
that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true any more?
1 Corinthians 15:22-26:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Revelation 20:14-21:3:
20:14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death.
20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:4:
And G-D shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be
no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed away.
His,
God bless you,
::: vera :::
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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10 Sep 2007 12:29:43 AM |
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In news:1189371402.436779.177400@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
Abrams1117 <John1117@peoplepc.com> typed:
On Sep 9, 6:24 am, " ::: good news :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross...
and that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true
any more?
1 Corinthians 15:22-26:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Revelation 20:14-21:3:
20:14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death.
20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:4:
And G-D shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be
no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Amen.
and also ...
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with
him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death
hath no more dominion over him. (Romans 6:8-9 KJV)
His,
God bless you,
::: vera :::
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of
God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Sep 2007 02:55:32 PM |
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Strange that people have kept on dying over the past 20 centuries.
"Death" is not a person or thing that can be "destroyed. It is just a
ridiculous myth to comfort believers who fear death. -- L.
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09 Sep 2007 10:07:45 AM |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:19 +0200,
in article <5kiag3F3p5qhU1@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross... and
that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true any more?
Correct.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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09 Sep 2007 10:38:23 AM |
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On Sep 10, 1:07 am, =AEandy <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:19 +0200,
in article <5kiag3F3p5q...@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:tnPEi.5711$JD.4446@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com...
No, Satan, death was not destroyed in 70 AD.
I have always been taught that Jesus destroyed death at the cross... and
that was approx. 33 A.D. Now give me a break, is that not true any more?
Correct. =20
I second that ... also Correct and now it's our turn to join in the
fight and make our stand.
Eph 6:10 For the rest, my brothers, be strong in the Master and in the
mightiness of His strength.
Eph 6:11 Put on the complete armour of Elohim, for you to have power
to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Eph 6:12 Because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against authorities, against the world-rulers
of the darkness of this age, against spiritual matters of wickedness
in the heavenlies.
Eph 6:13 Because of this, take up the complete armour of Elohim, so
that you have power to withstand in the wicked day, and having done
all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand, then, having girded your waist with truth, and having
put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Eph 6:15 and having fitted your feet with the preparation of the Good
News of peace;
Eph 6:16 above all, having taken up the shield of belief with which
you shall have power to quench all the burning arrows of the wicked
one.
Eph 6:17 Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the Word of Elohim,1 Footnote: 1Isa. 59:21.
Eph 6:18 praying at all times, with all prayer and supplication in the
Spirit, watching in all perseverance and supplication for all the set-
apart ones;
Eph 6:19 also for me, that a word might be given to me in the opening
of my mouth, to be bold in making known the secret of the Good News,
Eph 6:20 for which I am an envoy in chains, that in it I might speak
boldly, as I should speak.
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08 Sep 2007 08:34:44 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:16:22 -0400,
in article <vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
1 Corinthians 15:53-54 plainly states that when believer's
mortal, corruptible bodies put on immortality and
incorruption, that will be the fulfillment of the saying that
death is swallowed up in victory. The whole context of the
chapter clearly, repeatedly, and indisputably shows it is
referring to the resurrection/transformation of their physical
bodies.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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09 Sep 2007 05:06:40 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:34:44 -0500, ®andy
<pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:16:22 -0400,
in article <vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
1 Corinthians 15:53-54 plainly states that when believer's
mortal, corruptible bodies put on immortality and
incorruption, that will be the fulfillment of the saying that
death is swallowed up in victory. The whole context of the
chapter clearly, repeatedly, and indisputably shows it is
referring to the resurrection/transformation of their physical
bodies.
Yes Randy, if you just keep saying the words,
"plainly states", time will stop, go in reverse
and all people will align themselves with you,
since no other interpretation is possible!
If you have an argument with the concept that
death has been destroyed, go argue with these
men that I quoted. As for me, I cannot believe
that someone who preaches that when we die
physically, that we go to Heaven and then says
something so ridiculous as the idea that it isn't
forever and that our goal is to have human
bodies again!
But hey, it's your life! Believe what you want!
The bottom line is, you don't like it that I am
providing proof that my beliefs do go all the
way back to the most ancient church! And
your big name Futurist buddies who write
books know that, which is why the best they
can come up with is, "The Apostles did indeed
ex[ect the return of Christ within their lifetime.
However, they were in error about this. Oh,
and by the way, the Bible is without error.".
<chuckle>
--
To email me, just remove the underscores.
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
08 Sep 2007 08:32:28 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:16:22 -0400,
in article <vdt4e3d8aipadudd7ukprdvkgrrctpmnsu@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
Christ already positionally defeated angelic hosts on the
cross, yet Paul still warned believer's to pray because we
wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual
forces. Believers already had eternal life for their souls,
yet were offered the prospect of a resurrection from the dead.
The destruction of Jerusalem, in A.D. 70, did nothing to
change, contribute to, or define believer's spiritual position
or benefits in Christ, or the condition of the angelic realm.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Abrams1117" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
08 Sep 2007 01:11:27 PM |
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On Sep 8, 3:16 am, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
--
To email me, just remove the underscores.
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
He's going to quote Bugs Bunny next.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
08 Sep 2007 01:20:28 PM |
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On Sep 8, 6:16 am, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
(snip)
So it's okay now to drink Everclear straight, by the liter?
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: Death Destroyed |
08 Sep 2007 07:19:45 AM |
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On Sep 8, 8:16 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Melito of Sardis: "Who will contend against me? Let him
stand before me. It is I who delivered the condemned.
It is I who gave life to the dead. It is I who raised up
the buried. Who will argue with me? It is I, says Christ,
who destroyed death. It is I who triumphed over the
enemy, and having trod down Hades, and bound the
Strong Man, and have snatched mankind up to the
heights of heaven."
St. Athanasius: "Now, however, that the devil, that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain, we do not approach a
temporal feast, my beloved, but an eternal and heavenly.
Not in shadows do we shew it forth, but we come to it in
truth. For they being filled with the flesh of a dumb lamb,
accomplished the feast, and having anointed their door-posts
with the blood, implored aid against the destroyer. For
no more does death reign; but instead of death henceforth
is life, since our Lord said, 'I am the life;' so that
everything is filled with joy and gladness; as it is
written, 'The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice.'
For when death reigned, 'sitting down by the rivers of
Babylon, we wept,' and mourned, because we felt the
bitterness of captivity; but now that death and the kingdom
of the devil is abolished, everything is entirely filled
with joy and gladness. And God is no longer known only
in Judaea, but in all the earth, 'their voice hath gone
forth, and the knowledge of Him hath filled all the earth.'
(Letter 256, Part 3)
Odes of Solomon: "Because He is my Sun and His rays have
lifted me up and His light hath dispelled all darkness from
my face. In Him I have acquired eyes and have seen His holy
day: The way of error I have left, and have walked towards
Him and have received salvation from Him, without grudging.
I have put on incorruption through His name: and have put
off corruption by His grace. Death hath been destroyed
before my face: and Sheol bath been abolished by my word."
Pagan Sun worshipping.. Gotta love this garbage.. "Because He is my
Sun"
Oh and it never does say that the devil is slain in the real
scriptures, "that tyrant
against the whole world, is slain"... another pagan that never made the grade..
Rev 20:2 And he seized the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the
Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the pit of the deep, and shut him up,
and set a seal on him, so that he should lead the nations no more
astray until the thousand years were ended. And after that he has to
be released for a little while.
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