Come and join the purposed debate between me and PunkforChrist who has
already agreed to this debate. Hopefully by the end of the debate he
and other Catholics will see the doctrine of Justification from a
Biblical Exegesis.

BJ
Although I am no expert on Roman Catholic Theology and will need to
spend some time re-listening to John MacArthur Roman Catholicism
exposure CD's, and researching the doctrines on the web, and in the
electronic books in my Bible software,etc..

Come and join the purposed debate between me and PunkforChrist who has
already agreed to this debate. Hopefully by the end of the debate he
and other Catholics will see the doctrine of Justification from a
Biblical Exegesis.

Although I am no expert on Roman Catholic Theology and will need to
spend some time re-listening to John MacArthur Roman Catholicism
exposure CD's, and researching the doctrines on the web, and in the
electronic books in my Bible software,etc..

I hope you guys can join in the audience.

John

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=193700

The purposed debate topic will be on the doctrine of sola fide or in
Christian Theology the Doctrine of Justification.

This is a very important issue and it's ONE MAJOR doctrine that
distinguishes Protestant Theology from Catholic Theology.

Although the Skeptics cant tell the difference, and all too often bunch
the dozens of Christian groups, cults, Terrorists and other religions
(that look Christian) into one label. I do not suspect that this debate
will be of interest to them. But since I have yet to discover a debate
environment as professional as iidb.org, and as well maintained, and
moderated, we are left with no choice but to debate here.

But no question this is a important debate. For one if you deny Jesus
Christ and his sacrifice for your sins, then you are not saved and not
free from the weight of sin. I hope that my opponent can see the
Biblical doctrine of Justification and not the man made Roman Catholic
doctrine by the end of this debate.

According to Wikepedia the Catholic and Protestant views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide

A Protestant distinctive

Sola fide asserts that, although all people have disobeyed God's
commands, God declares those people obedient who place their
confidence, their faith, in what God has done through the life, death
and resurrection of Jesus. They account Christ's obedience as their
own, and the only meritorious, obedience. Their assurance is that God's
work in Christ is their commendation for acceptance by God. Conversely,
the doctrine says that those who trust God in this way do not trust
what they themselves have done (which has no worth, because of sin).
The doctrine holds that it is not through personal goodness that
sinners are reconciled to God. Reconciliation is only through the mercy
of God himself, made effectual for forgiveness through the sacrifice of
his son; thus it is only through the obedience of Christ given in
substitute for the disobedience of believers, who for their sake was
raised from the dead, that they have confidence that they are in fact
heirs of eternal life.

The doctrine of sola fide, as formulated by Martin Luther, is accepted
by most Protestants, including Lutherans, Reformed and Baptists; and as
ordinarily articulated by Protestants.

Roman Catholic view

The Roman Catholic view tends to exclude sola fide by holding that
salvation is not conferred on the Christian until after the Last
Judgment through God's grace and the Christian's response to it in
faith and good works. An Economy of Salvation is taught involving the
sacraments, management, and accountability on the part of the
Church.[1] Although sola fide tends to be exclusive to Protestants,
faith in Jesus Christ is not. The Roman Catholic mass includes the
Nicene Creed, which is a confession of faith in "one Lord Jesus
Christ."

My purposals

4 round debate.
1500 word introduction, and 4,000 words max per additional round.
Non concurrent debate, meaning that we debate in turns. I am not sure
who should go first.
I agree to a 2 week time frame in between statements, but I ask that
you only use the full time frame as a last resort. Try to get your
statements in under 2 weeks, because my last debate took some 4 months
to complete, since my opponent always waited till the last minute to
post his statements.


I hope we can agree to the terms.


John

Come and join the purposed debate between me and PunkforChrist who has
already agreed to this debate. Hopefully by the end of the debate he
and other Catholics will see the doctrine of Justification from a
Biblical Exegesis.

Although I am no expert on Roman Catholic Theology and will need to
spend some time re-listening to John MacArthur Roman Catholicism
exposure CD's, and researching the doctrines on the web, and in the
electronic books in my Bible software,etc..

I hope you guys can join in the audience.

Come and join the purposed debate between me and PunkforChrist who has
already agreed to this debate. Hopefully by the end of the debate he
and other Catholics will see the doctrine of Justification from a
Biblical Exegesis.

Although I am no expert on Roman Catholic Theology and will need to
spend some time re-listening to John MacArthur Roman Catholicism
exposure CD's, and researching the doctrines on the web, and in the
electronic books in my Bible software,etc..

I hope you guys can join in the audience.

John

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=193700

The purposed debate topic will be on the doctrine of sola fide or in
Christian Theology the Doctrine of Justification.

This is a very important issue and it's ONE MAJOR doctrine that
distinguishes Protestant Theology from Catholic Theology.

Although the Skeptics cant tell the difference, and all too often bunch
the dozens of Christian groups, cults, Terrorists and other religions
(that look Christian) into one label. I do not suspect that this debate
will be of interest to them. But since I have yet to discover a debate
environment as professional as iidb.org, and as well maintained, and
moderated, we are left with no choice but to debate here.

But no question this is a important debate. For one if you deny Jesus
Christ and his sacrifice for your sins, then you are not saved and not
free from the weight of sin. I hope that my opponent can see the
Biblical doctrine of Justification and not the man made Roman Catholic
doctrine by the end of this debate.

According to Wikepedia the Catholic and Protestant views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide

A Protestant distinctive

Sola fide asserts that, although all people have disobeyed God's
commands, God declares those people obedient who place their
confidence, their faith, in what God has done through the life, death
and resurrection of Jesus. They account Christ's obedience as their
own, and the only meritorious, obedience. Their assurance is that God's
work in Christ is their commendation for acceptance by God. Conversely,
the doctrine says that those who trust God in this way do not trust
what they themselves have done (which has no worth, because of sin).
The doctrine holds that it is not through personal goodness that
sinners are reconciled to God. Reconciliation is only through the mercy
of God himself, made effectual for forgiveness through the sacrifice of
his son; thus it is only through the obedience of Christ given in
substitute for the disobedience of believers, who for their sake was
raised from the dead, that they have confidence that they are in fact
heirs of eternal life.

The doctrine of sola fide, as formulated by Martin Luther, is accepted
by most Protestants, including Lutherans, Reformed and Baptists; and as
ordinarily articulated by Protestants.

Roman Catholic view

The Roman Catholic view tends to exclude sola fide by holding that
salvation is not conferred on the Christian until after the Last
Judgment through God's grace and the Christian's response to it in
faith and good works. An Economy of Salvation is taught involving the
sacraments, management, and accountability on the part of the
Church.[1] Although sola fide tends to be exclusive to Protestants,
faith in Jesus Christ is not. The Roman Catholic mass includes the
Nicene Creed, which is a confession of faith in "one Lord Jesus
Christ."

My purposals

4 round debate.
1500 word introduction, and 4,000 words max per additional round.
Non concurrent debate, meaning that we debate in turns. I am not sure
who should go first.
I agree to a 2 week time frame in between statements, but I ask that
you only use the full time frame as a last resort. Try to get your
statements in under 2 weeks, because my last debate took some 4 months
to complete, since my opponent always waited till the last minute to
post his statements.


I hope we can agree to the terms.

John

Come and join the purposed debate between me and PunkforChrist who has
already agreed to this debate. Hopefully by the end of the debate he
and other Catholics will see the doctrine of Justification from a
Biblical Exegesis.

Although I am no expert on Roman Catholic Theology and will need to
spend some time re-listening to John MacArthur Roman Catholicism
exposure CD's, and researching the doctrines on the web, and in the
electronic books in my Bible software,etc..

I hope you guys can join in the audience.

John

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=193700

The purposed debate topic will be on the doctrine of sola fide or in
Christian Theology the Doctrine of Justification.

This is a very important issue and it's ONE MAJOR doctrine that
distinguishes Protestant Theology from Catholic Theology.

Although the Skeptics cant tell the difference, and all too often bunch
the dozens of Christian groups, cults, Terrorists and other religions
(that look Christian) into one label. I do not suspect that this debate
will be of interest to them. But since I have yet to discover a debate
environment as professional as iidb.org, and as well maintained, and
moderated, we are left with no choice but to debate here.

But no question this is a important debate. For one if you deny Jesus
Christ and his sacrifice for your sins, then you are not saved and not
free from the weight of sin. I hope that my opponent can see the
Biblical doctrine of Justification and not the man made Roman Catholic
doctrine by the end of this debate.

According to Wikepedia the Catholic and Protestant views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide

A Protestant distinctive

Sola fide asserts that, although all people have disobeyed God's
commands, God declares those people obedient who place their
confidence, their faith, in what God has done through the life, death
and resurrection of Jesus. They account Christ's obedience as their
own, and the only meritorious, obedience. Their assurance is that God's
work in Christ is their commendation for acceptance by God. Conversely,
the doctrine says that those who trust God in this way do not trust
what they themselves have done (which has no worth, because of sin).
The doctrine holds that it is not through personal goodness that
sinners are reconciled to God. Reconciliation is only through the mercy
of God himself, made effectual for forgiveness through the sacrifice of
his son; thus it is only through the obedience of Christ given in
substitute for the disobedience of believers, who for their sake was
raised from the dead, that they have confidence that they are in fact
heirs of eternal life.

The doctrine of sola fide, as formulated by Martin Luther, is accepted
by most Protestants, including Lutherans, Reformed and Baptists; and as
ordinarily articulated by Protestants.

Roman Catholic view

The Roman Catholic view tends to exclude sola fide by holding that
salvation is not conferred on the Christian until after the Last
Judgment through God's grace and the Christian's response to it in
faith and good works. An Economy of Salvation is taught involving the
sacraments, management, and accountability on the part of the
Church.[1] Although sola fide tends to be exclusive to Protestants,
faith in Jesus Christ is not. The Roman Catholic mass includes the
Nicene Creed, which is a confession of faith in "one Lord Jesus
Christ."

My purposals

4 round debate.
1500 word introduction, and 4,000 words max per additional round.
Non concurrent debate, meaning that we debate in turns. I am not sure
who should go first.
I agree to a 2 week time frame in between statements, but I ask that
you only use the full time frame as a last resort. Try to get your
statements in under 2 weeks, because my last debate took some 4 months
to complete, since my opponent always waited till the last minute to
post his statements.


I hope we can agree to the terms.


John