| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"My name = Harvey" |
| Date: |
19 Apr 2004 09:48:18 PM |
| Object: |
Deconstructing the bible |
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and keeping
it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the questions
you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
Harvey
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 10:06:19 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own
beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 06:14:17 PM |
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In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own
beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are comfortable
with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of observation -
those of your own, via your life experiences, and those of others - and
believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable believing in,
and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be able
to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you think
about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
21 Apr 2004 09:11:34 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
Thank You for respondeding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
21 Apr 2004 09:36:05 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
Thank You for responding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
.
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
21 Apr 2004 04:31:04 PM |
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In article <Xns94D261A946392nospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
Thank You for responding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
Thank you for your acknowledgement.
I am not against everything christian.
I have nothing against prayer, or the power of prayer - that it is alright
to speak to and address god, if you wish to.
To ask for help from above.
I see nothing wrong with spirituality where it is with peace, harmony and
understanding in mind, to unite this world in peace, and being able to
live with others here, peacefully.
Harvey
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
22 Apr 2004 11:48:05 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:31:04 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D261A946392nospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the
severest edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything
else around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion
and your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world,
why some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and
difficult? Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
Thank You for responding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
Thank you for your acknowledgement.
I am not against everything christian.
I have nothing against prayer, or the power of prayer - that it is
alright to speak to and address god, if you wish to.
To ask for help from above.
I see nothing wrong with spirituality where it is with peace, harmony
and understanding in mind, to unite this world in peace, and being able
to live with others here, peacefully.
Harvey
Thank you for responding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good,
but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true.
That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus
makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue
seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is
full of such logical imbecilities."
Mencken
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
22 Apr 2004 05:13:54 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:31:04 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D261A946392nospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
Thank You for responding.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
Thank you for your acknowledgement.
I am not against everything christian.
I have nothing against prayer, or the power of prayer - that it is alright
to speak to and address god, if you wish to.
To ask for help from above.
I see nothing wrong with spirituality where it is with peace, harmony and
understanding in mind, to unite this world in peace, and being able to
live with others here, peacefully.
Harvey
You responded to an imposter.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Exchange between Marge and Geoffrey the butler
on "Fresh Prince" (both African American):
Marge: My brother, you have been oppressed,
repressed and suppressed. Don't you know
you can be free?
Geoffrey: I have known freedom. I don't like
the health plan.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
21 Apr 2004 09:08:47 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are
comfortable with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of
observation - those of your own, via your life experiences, and those
of others - and believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable
believing in, and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be
able to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you
think about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
You responded to an imposter.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
21 Apr 2004 05:24:27 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:14:17 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166CA6113Enospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own
beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
You should not simply 'believe' in something - via blind faith.
You should investigate it with your own level of research you are comfortable
with, and use your normal reasoning powers and powers of observation -
those of your own, via your life experiences, and those of others - and
believe in what you can understand, or try to.
Over time, you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable believing in,
and what you believe to be true.
A correct world view (whether it be christian, or otherwise) would be able
to fit in many different things and make sense of it all.
ie. life and death, living, the cruelty that goes on in this world, why
some people get an easy life, and others a miserable one.
Do you think aliens exist? UFOs? Are these things real? What do you think
about earth's history? Have you ever wondered about that?
What were ancient times really like? Really really hard and difficult?
Or easier and simpler to live in?
Only you know what goes on inside your head.
Harvey
You responded to an imposter.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"In fact, there is a great deal more to the
creation/evolution controversy than meets the eye,
or rather than meets the carefully cultivated media
stereotype of 'creationists' as Bible quoting know
nothings who refuse to face up to the scientific
evidence. The creationists may be wrong about many
things, but they have at least one very important
point to argue, a point that has been thoroughly
obscured by all the attention paid to Noah's Flood
and other side issues. What science educators
propose to teach as 'evolution' and label it as fact,
is based not upon any incontrovertible empirical
evidence (scientifically proven facts, ed.), but upon
a highly controversial philosophical presupposition.
The controversy over evolution is therefore not going
to go away as people become better educated on the
subject. On the contrary, the more people learn
about the philosophical content of what scientists
are calling the 'fact of evolution', the less they
are going to like it." - Philip E. Johnson, Evolution
as Dogma: The Establishment of Naturalism
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20 Apr 2004 05:48:30 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and keeping
it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the questions
you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 06:30:56 AM |
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In article <quv980lb3tv0ncib6cag2c61u56okfglf5@4ax.com>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own beliefs,
etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and keeping
it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the questions
you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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Believe in what you will. Make up your own mind.
Don't just take anyone's word for it - go out and do your own
investigative research - you're taught all through your schooling to
use your mind - logic and reason, problem solving, study, etc.
Use it.
There are those who do believe in reincarnation as being part of
christianity - that they can be successfully and intelligently
integrated, that it makes clearer certain parts of the bible.
That it was taught as part of biblical teachings - but was edited
out later afterwards - when Jesus was not present, because it is believed
that Jesus taught reincarnation as part of his teachings.
I tend to remain open minded about it all - however, I do find the
standard christian preaching dogma rather hard to swallow - about god
being judgemental and punishing, and that only through Jesus Christ
can you be saved? Saved from what?
I guess I have totally different perceptions of what the afterlife is,
compared to what christians are taught.
Do question everything, and seek your own answers, and what does make
sense?
Harvey
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 10:06:09 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:30:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <quv980lb3tv0ncib6cag2c61u56okfglf5@4ax.com>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs,
etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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Believe in what you will. Make up your own mind.
Don't just take anyone's word for it - go out and do your own
investigative research - you're taught all through your schooling to
use your mind - logic and reason, problem solving, study, etc.
Use it.
And yet, you tell us your belief is real. That is the
height of hypocrisy.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
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| User: "My name = Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 06:27:51 PM |
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In article <Xns94D166C353EC0nospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:30:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <quv980lb3tv0ncib6cag2c61u56okfglf5@4ax.com>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs,
etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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Believe in what you will. Make up your own mind.
Don't just take anyone's word for it - go out and do your own
investigative research - you're taught all through your schooling to
use your mind - logic and reason, problem solving, study, etc.
Use it.
And yet, you tell us your belief is real. That is the
height of hypocrisy.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
Everyone has their own view of what is real? and what isn't?
Do you believe what the government tells you? All the time?
Do you believe everything that the teacher tells you?
Everyone has their own view - and they are most likely to be all different.
Even christians amongst themselves, may not agree?
Why then are there so many denominations, sects and different belief
systems within Christianity? Such as - mormons, JW, catholic, protestant,
etc.
Harvey
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
22 Apr 2004 04:41:40 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:27:51 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <Xns94D166C353EC0nospamdraymondminist@130.133.1.4>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:30:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <quv980lb3tv0ncib6cag2c61u56okfglf5@4ax.com>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of
investigative techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and
your own beliefs,
etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and
keeping it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and
doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple
truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With
very large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the
questions you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of
them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of
love and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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Believe in what you will. Make up your own mind.
Don't just take anyone's word for it - go out and do your own
investigative research - you're taught all through your schooling to
use your mind - logic and reason, problem solving, study, etc.
Use it.
And yet, you tell us your belief is real. That is the
height of hypocrisy.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
Seneca
Everyone has their own view of what is real? and what isn't?
You responded to an imposter again.
However, don't tell me that my belief is not real and
yours is, if it all comes down to opinion.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If life had evolved into its wondrous profusion of
creatures little by little, Dr. Eldredge argues, then
one would expect to find fossils of transitional
creatures which were a bit like what went before them
and a bit like what came after. But no one has yet
found any evidence of such transitional creatures.
This oddity has been attributed to gaps in the fossil
record which gradualists expected to fill when rock
strata of the proper age had been found. In the last
decade, however, geologists have found rock layers of
all divisions of the last 500 million years and no
transitional forms were contained in them." (The
Guardian Weekly, 26 Nov 1978, vol 119, no 22, p. 1)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Deconstructing the bible |
20 Apr 2004 07:20:26 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:30:56 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
In article <quv980lb3tv0ncib6cag2c61u56okfglf5@4ax.com>,
nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own beliefs,
etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and keeping
it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the questions
you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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Believe in what you will. Make up your own mind.
Don't just take anyone's word for it - go out and do your own
investigative research - you're taught all through your schooling to
use your mind - logic and reason, problem solving, study, etc.
Use it.
And yet, you tell us your belief is real. That is the
height of hypocrisy.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.unlimitedglory.org/evcha3.htm
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:48:18 GMT,
kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name =
Harvey) spake thusly:
Know it's history - the history of the bible.
Who are it's authors - largely anonymous for the most part.
Editors? 100s or 1000s of them ...
Know christianity's history. How it got started.
The bible should be called Paul's book. He probably did the severest
edits?
You have to look at the bible and christianity in this kind of
investigative light.
You can't simply take the bible as 100% truth and fit everything else
around it. That is hardly logical and commonsense.
You know how to buy a car - use exactly the same kind of investigative
techniques for knowing what is what, with religion and your own beliefs, etc.
Unfortunately a lot of religion is about recruiting followers, and keeping
it's followers, and using the fear of god to do this.
Or other 'tools' plus tons of crap that passes for dogma and doctrine.
That doesn't make sense in terms of reality and the plain simple truth.
How many millions of years has man been on this earth?
How much of this history do we know of? 3,000 to 5,000 years? With very
large gaps in it.
How long has christianity been on this earth? Think of all the questions
you have - and how christianity doesn't answer a lot of them.
We all survive death and live on, in an afterlife and decide what
to do for our next life - reincarnation.
Does god exist? Yes. Not a judging and punishing god - but one of love
and compassion, etc.
So let's not believe the Bible. And let's investigate.
After all, we should. But hey, let's just believe in
reincarnation.
===>You are right for once.
That is just as nonsenseical as other beliefs.
Some people just cannot resist picking a favorite superstition. -- L.
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