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saul_sabia@yahoo.com (Saul_Sabia) wrote:

Frank, i am getting tired of you calling the rest of us atheists

whenever

we disagree with you! you have been calling other *Christians*

atheists

if they disagree with you!

Wrong!!!! You can "disagree" with me over Biblical interpretation as
much as you want, but not over the Bible itself, for that is the

reference

of everything I say.
I NEVER attack anyone who posts in regards to Christ and His
Christianity to our pristine Christian NGs, and aim to never answer ANY
atheist post that has atheist NGs in the header.

Plain Old (but normal) Frank Bull *****!
It has been pointed out, OVER AND OVER, you call "atheist" ANYONE who

dares

disagree with you!
As a mater of fact, people have ALREADY, many times, reposted YOUR OWN
POSTS, showing your arrogance and hypocrisy!

What are your posting rules?

The truth, AND standing up for my OWN words. ...which is more than I can

say

for you, *****!

"*****" Indeed!!!! You are flaming the poster again and this belongs
in flame NGs, not our pristine Christian NGs. I will post you over to some.
They will love your rich vocabulary of insulting epithets. LOL

You don't tell us why you promote and proselytize for atheism, yet

us to believe you are "not an atheist"? As Christians we always have to be
on guard for Satan's minions infiltrating our ranks. We recognise them

they call themselves Christians or "not atheist" yet being down on

Christians, etc. and doing, justifying and promoting the opposite from

Christ preached. Satan is a liar and the father of all lies and when we

lies against Christ or us, we know we are talking to one Satan possessed.
Stick to debating rules, no ad hominem, no trashing and no flaming and
everything you say referenced to authoritative text and we get along just
fine. "you ripe candidate for culture-fodder, you" indeed!!!!!!! The

being flames again, I post you over to some flame groups which get their
jollies from such trashing and flaming.

"Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message

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saul_sabia@yahoo.com (Saul_Sabia) wrote:

Frank, i am getting tired of you calling the rest of us atheists

whenever

we disagree with you! you have been calling other *Christians*

atheists

if they disagree with you!

Wrong!!!! You can "disagree" with me over Biblical interpretation as
much as you want, but not over the Bible itself, for that is the

reference

of everything I say.
I NEVER attack anyone who posts in regards to Christ and His
Christianity to our pristine Christian NGs, and aim to never answer ANY
atheist post that has atheist NGs in the header.
What are your posting rules?

rules of posting, my *****! (actually quite funny when you take the comma

out)

as much as you hate to admit it, you attack. alan, for instance, is
christian, yet you call him an atheist. steel wolf may not be christian
necessarily, but he's certainly not an atheist, yet you call him that
all the time. have you ever asked him what he believes? no... hmm...
_you_, not the rest of us, YOU, are the one who puts forth his opinions
and attacks all others when they disagree with you. i waver between

atheism

and agnosticism, that is obvious. yet even when i'm not in 'atheist

attack!'

mode, you still slander me! why?
you never attack anyone who posts in regards to christ? well, i hate to
break it to you, but that involves atheists who disagree with your
christian beliefs, who raise valid concerns with your beliefs, and
point out the wrongful things you say and do on these ngs!
my question to _you_ is why, if you don't answer any atheist posts,
do you, good sir, continually answer them, say "stop proselytizing atheism
in our pristine christian ngs" and then post them over to atheist
newsgroups?!?!?
i noticed you have avoided the rest of this thread. amazingly enough.
are you a coward, as well as a hypocrite?
i'm sure most of us _would_ accept an apology, if you were willing to
change your ways and be right with your self-professed christian morals.
all it takes is just _listening_ for five seconds, instead of accusing
and going off spuriously! maybe ask questions like "so why would you
say that, when scripture xx:xx says ... ?" that's called DEBATE, and is
a critical part of the learning and communicating process.
just IGNORE the trolls, and don't BE one. it's hard, really it is! your
sensibilities get inflamed, passions run high, the juices start dribbling,
and you want to defend your faith... perfectly natural, in a primal,
unevolved sort of way. instead, take a deep breath, and refute that person
on logical terms.
instead of calling them an illogical fuckwit, maybe respond logically
to what they have to say?
i mean, unless you don't have anything logically to say. when you can't
say anything, of course i suppose it would be natural to start calling
people names.
but you wouldn't stoop that low, no, would you pastor frank?
(there was seriously no sarcasm in that sentence. seriously.)
i expect a response, something like : "i don't have the time to respond
to each and every challenge to my faith, i just put myself out there and
represent the lord and only have the time to speak with those who believe
like i do."
if you don't have the time to respond coherently or logically,
why are you here?
jesus spent a great deal of his time with the common folk, the
common sinners... not condemning them or ignoring them, which would've
gotten him nowhere, but by showing them that he understood where
they were coming from, and responded to them in a thoughtful,
heartfelt, compassionate way. (you said he was a psychologist, right?)
if you can't do that, you will never bring any others
to the kingdom of god.
all you will do is show other christians how arrogant and
self-righteous you are, and show people who _might_ think
about believing, like me, how stupid the idea must actually
be.
i've gone on long enough. if you don't get it by now what i'm
trying to say to you, you won't ever. maybe god will take over
for me then. assuming Odin cares one whit about you,
you ripe candidate for vulture-fodder, you.
Saul

You don't tell us why you promote and proselytize for atheism, yet want
us to believe you are "not an atheist"?

As Christians we always have to be on guard for Satan's minions
infiltrating our ranks. We recognise them when they call themselves
Christians or "not atheist" yet being down on Christ, Christians,
etc. and doing, justifying and promoting the opposite from what
Christ preached. Satan is a liar and the father of all lies and
when we see lies against Christ or us, we know we are talking to
one Satan possessed.

Stick to debating rules, no ad hominem, no trashing and no flaming and
everything you say referenced to authoritative text and we get along just
fine. "you ripe candidate for culture-fodder, you" indeed!!!!!!! The latter
being flames again, I post you over to some flame groups which get their
jollies from such trashing and flaming.

"meaning cannot exist without interpretation"??? Says who?

Man is not the measure of all things

nor is the Bible's meaning dependent of man's interpretation.

For, in fact, and contrary to the presupositions inherent in such
notions, GOD EXISTS and He has spoken.

In the final analysis, your or my interpretation is of no account;
it is only GOD'S viewpoint that truly matters.

True hermeneutics involves trying to push past our sin and the
traditions that blind us and prevent us from seeing what GOD has
clearly and openly stated.

It is perfectly consistent and logical for Christians to disagree over
interpretation, recognizing our fallen state, and yet insist that all who
love the Lord must agree that His Word is the authority.

The problem is not with God's speach but with our fingers stuck in
our ears.