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"Amangi Machque" |
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22 Mar 2006 06:36:51 AM |
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Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm)
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Machque
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the
future." -Lumbee
"The one who tells the stories rules the world." -Hopi
"Sing your death song and die like a hero going home." -Shawnee
"A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many
regrets." -Arthur C. Clarke
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| User: "jb" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
22 Mar 2006 08:11:49 AM |
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"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist. One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God. The
other says they really don't know. It is good to be intellectually honest
with the terms and the dictionary. Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it. We should be
tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way. Let's see some of
that. It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm)
--
Machque
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the
future." -Lumbee
"The one who tells the stories rules the world." -Hopi
"Sing your death song and die like a hero going home." -Shawnee
"A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many
regrets." -Arthur C. Clarke
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
22 Mar 2006 11:14:26 PM |
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jb (4) wrote:
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic
not Atheist.
FALSE.
one is either 'atheist' or 'theist'
explaining "i'm not really sure" or rather taking a position that one
is prepared to modify one's view upon discovery of evidence to the
contrary is IRRELEVANT.
"Agnosticism" is as "intellectually dishonest" as nomenclature can
possibly be.
and much to the advantage of theism in artificially creating a strawman
category.
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
28 Mar 2006 10:14:21 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
jb (4) wrote:
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic
not Atheist.
FALSE.
one is either 'atheist' or 'theist'
explaining "i'm not really sure" or rather taking a position that one
is prepared to modify one's view upon discovery of evidence to the
contrary is IRRELEVANT.
"Agnosticism" is as "intellectually dishonest" as nomenclature can
possibly be.
and much to the advantage of theism in artificially creating a strawman
category.
ha Satan,
Agnostic would actually mean 'without knowledge', an apt description of
yourself (and other atheists), but since you are also routinely
"intellectually dishonest" in that you quote the Hebrew Scriptures
while being atheistic, I guess you are correct, in one sense.
However, since atheists are 'without knowledge' of God/'gods', all
atheists could properly be called agnostic or just plain ignorant.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
29 Mar 2006 10:25:16 AM |
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"Linda Lee" <linda@hipstargraphics.com> wrote in message
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However, since atheists are 'without knowledge' of God/'gods', all
atheists could properly be called agnostic or just plain ignorant.
Speaking of without knowledge <cough>
Pot - Kettle - Black
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Amangi Machque" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
28 Mar 2006 10:23:02 PM |
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"Linda Lee" wrote
: Agnostic would actually mean 'without knowledge', an apt description of
: yourself (and other atheists), but since you are also routinely
: "intellectually dishonest" in that you quote the Hebrew Scriptures
: while being atheistic, I guess you are correct, in one sense.
:
: However, since atheists are 'without knowledge' of God/'gods', all
: atheists could properly be called agnostic or just plain ignorant.
Either you are incredibly stupid or you are being absolutely deceitful!
Nobody said that atheists are without the knowledge of the gods that the
theists keep throwing in our faces. Atheists "lack faith" in gods.
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Machque
The search for truth is more precious than its possession. -Albert Einstein
There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair. -Albert
Einstein
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is
shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. -Albert Einstein
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
29 Mar 2006 11:50:04 AM |
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Amangi Machque wrote:
"Linda Lee" wrote
: Agnostic would actually mean 'without knowledge', an apt description of
: yourself (and other atheists), but since you are also routinely
: "intellectually dishonest" in that you quote the Hebrew Scriptures
: while being atheistic, I guess you are correct, in one sense.
:
: However, since atheists are 'without knowledge' of God/'gods', all
: atheists could properly be called agnostic or just plain ignorant.
Either you are incredibly stupid or you are being absolutely deceitful!
Nobody said that atheists are without the knowledge of the gods that the
theists keep throwing in our faces. Atheists "lack faith" in gods.
===>"Linda" appears to pretend to "knowledge" of the "gnostic" kind,
but in fact she is just another ignoramus posting nonsense. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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29 Mar 2006 11:47:49 AM |
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Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
jb (4) wrote:
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic
not Atheist.
FALSE.
one is either 'atheist' or 'theist'
explaining "i'm not really sure" or rather taking a position that one
is prepared to modify one's view upon discovery of evidence to the
contrary is IRRELEVANT.
"Agnosticism" is as "intellectually dishonest" as nomenclature can
possibly be.
and much to the advantage of theism in artificially creating a strawman
category.
ha Satan,
Agnostic would actually mean 'without knowledge', an apt description of
yourself (and other atheists), but since you are also routinely
"intellectually dishonest" in that you quote the Hebrew Scriptures
while being atheistic, I guess you are correct, in one sense.
However, since atheists are 'without knowledge' of God/'gods', all
atheists could properly be called agnostic or just plain ignorant.
===>That is spoken from YOUR abject ignorance, "Linda"! -- L.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
22 Mar 2006 08:50:22 AM |
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jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
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| User: "jb" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
23 Mar 2006 06:54:01 AM |
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"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143039022.013960.3410@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage.
Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief
about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
The atheists I see on Biblestudy sort of straddle the fence and are
religiously orientated. Not all possibly, but some are so religious that
they feel all Christianity will change to their new religious position.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith
has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
Amagi? Ah she has done this quite a bit in presenting the Hebrew scripture
thing and by attempting to distort Isaiah in a thousand ways for the sake of
religious bias rather than objective non biased commentary.
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
You could say that, but I think a fuller examination might find that they
believe in more of a pantheistic god concept.
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| User: "Amangi Machque" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
23 Mar 2006 07:05:28 AM |
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"jb" wrote
: The atheists I see on Biblestudy sort of straddle the fence and are
: religiously orientated.
Just what do you mean when you say religiously oriented?
: Not all possibly, but some are so religious that
: they feel all Christianity will change to their new religious position.
Just what do you mean when you say that some atheists are so religious?
--
Machque
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the
future." -Lumbee
"The one who tells the stories rules the world." -Hopi
"Sing your death song and die like a hero going home." -Shawnee
"A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many
regrets." -Arthur C. Clarke
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
22 Mar 2006 06:56:25 PM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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23 Mar 2006 07:38:55 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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23 Mar 2006 12:25:01 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist? -- L.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
23 Mar 2006 09:34:15 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
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* extracting information.... One wonders why it *
* is still practiced." --Jean-Luc Picard *
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| User: "Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
23 Mar 2006 10:10:01 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:442369be$0$29591$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a
person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian,
but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word
usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no
belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities;
it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different
questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one,
both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in
the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That
still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the
dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or
a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that
use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one
faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like
religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff."
So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature
of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
The Universe
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Panthiest)
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23 Mar 2006 10:55:58 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
===>That was not my question.
Do you believe that which Spinoza called "GOD",
which Einstein also called "Spinoza's God",
do you believe it exists?
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
===>"The Cosmos is all that is,
or ever was, or ever will be."
- Carl Sagan
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23 Mar 2006 11:17:36 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
===>That was not my question.
Do you believe that which Spinoza called "GOD",
which Einstein also called "Spinoza's God",
do you believe it exists?
No.
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
===>"The Cosmos is all that is,
or ever was, or ever will be."
- Carl Sagan
If that is what was meant by "Cosmic Totality", then yes, it exists.
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24 Mar 2006 09:13:32 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist, in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of "godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
===>That was not my question.
Do you believe that which Spinoza called "GOD",
which Einstein also called "Spinoza's God",
do you believe it exists?
No.
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
===>"The Cosmos is all that is,
or ever was, or ever will be."
- Carl Sagan
If that is what was meant by "Cosmic Totality", then yes, it exists.
===>Good. Then you DO believe that what Spinoza called "God",
what Einstein called "Spinoza's God", DOES exist.
So, you cannot call yourself an "atheist". ;-) -- L.
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24 Mar 2006 09:02:59 PM |
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Blessed Be. Amen.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Panthiest)
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44240C9C.53068D8@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
jb 4 wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a
person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess,
nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in
American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are
Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word
usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with
that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no
belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or
deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not
Atheist.
Agnosticism and atheism represent answers to two different
questions.
An agnostic does not believe that gods and claims about gods are
knowable. An atheist does not believe gods exist. You can be
one, both,
or neither.
One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no
God.
And the point is that the dictionary is wrong. The term atheist,
in the
atheist community, means a lack of belief in gods rather than an
assertion that there are no gods.
The other says they really don't know.
Right. Agnosticism answers a question regarding knowledge. That
still
leaves the question of whether they believe.
It is good to be intellectually honest with the terms and the
dictionary.
Of course. And some dictionaries describe atheism as a disbelief
or a
lack of belief in gods. Should we just choose to use the ones
that use
the definitions our critics prefer?
Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively
one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it.
Er, where did the OP say this?
We should be tolerant of atheists and other religions by the
way.
Let's see some of that.
That would be nice.
It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right
to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like
religious
atheists.
What, like Buddhists?
===>Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Was he an "atheist"? -- L.
Spinoza believed that "god" and "nature" were synonymous. Every
rock,
every tree, every animal, every human, all were made of
"godstuff." So,
it depends on if you believe in a pantheistic god and what the
nature of
that god is.
===>So, he was not an "atheist"?
Spinoza was a pantheist, so, no, not an atheist.
Do YOU believe "Spinoza's God" exists???
No. I do not believe nature to be a god.
===>That was not my question.
Do you believe that which Spinoza called "GOD",
which Einstein also called "Spinoza's God",
do you believe it exists?
No.
If yes, you are not an "atheist".
If no, do you think Nature, the Cosmic Totality does not exist?
Yes. Nature exists. What do you mean by "Cosmic Totality"?
===>"The Cosmos is all that is,
or ever was, or ever will be."
- Carl Sagan
If that is what was meant by "Cosmic Totality", then yes, it exists.
===>Good. Then you DO believe that what Spinoza called "God",
what Einstein called "Spinoza's God", DOES exist.
So, you cannot call yourself an "atheist". ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Peter" |
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27 Mar 2006 12:36:18 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
snipped<
If that is what was meant by "Cosmic Totality", then yes, it exists.
===>Good. Then you DO believe that what Spinoza called "God",
what Einstein called "Spinoza's God", DOES exist.
So, you cannot call yourself an "atheist". ;-) -- L.
Sorry Daniel, you admitted the universe exists. you'll have to turn in
your AtheistRus membership card and decoder ring.
Well aren't you just so clever Lib! You tricked Daniel into believing
in... wait a minute, he didn't say he believed, did he? Now I see,
there's no need for faith or belief when you have knowledge. And Daniel
*knows* the universe exists.
Sorry Lib, I guess you were wrong again.
Peter
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27 Mar 2006 12:49:05 PM |
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Peter wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
snipped<
If that is what was meant by "Cosmic Totality", then yes, it exists.
===>Good. Then you DO believe that what Spinoza called "God",
what Einstein called "Spinoza's God", DOES exist.
So, you cannot call yourself an "atheist". ;-) -- L.
Sorry Daniel, you admitted the universe exists. you'll have to turn in
your AtheistRus membership card and decoder ring.
Well aren't you just so clever Lib! You tricked Daniel into believing
in... wait a minute, he didn't say he believed, did he? Now I see,
there's no need for faith or belief when you have knowledge. And Daniel
*knows* the universe exists.
===>How do YOU "know" he "knows"??? -- L.
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22 Mar 2006 07:15:45 PM |
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jb wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:05qdnbSqLL542bzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
The correct and intellectually honest term is Agnostic not Atheist. One
according to the dictionary declares they believe there is no God. The
other says they really don't know. It is good to be intellectually honest
with the terms and the dictionary. Of course you seem to sanction a lack of
respect and tolerance for religions, by declaring definitively one faith has
no right to the scriptures which definitively are used by it. We should be
tolerant of atheists and other religions by the way. Let's see some of
that. It would be refreshing if people recognized they have a right to
their beliefs even if they are incongruous and an oxymoron like religious
atheists.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm)
===>The problem is one of definition of the term "GOD".
Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Spinoza equated "God" with "Nature".
And Nature does undeniably exist, even according to "atheists".
So, does that make a "believer" out of an "atheist"? ;-) -- L.
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24 Mar 2006 09:11:23 PM |
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"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist and has
no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius desision to
call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is no
god". I don't know why theist are always trying to water down our beleifs, I
gess it makes it easier for them to ignore our rights. Intollerance comes in
many forms including denial.
p.s. if you really don't care what atheist think, don't post in alt.atheism
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| User: "Amangi Machque" |
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24 Mar 2006 09:19:53 PM |
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"Ray Higgins" wrote
: "Amangi Machque" wrote:
: >"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
: >believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
: >of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
: >dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
: >it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
: >individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
: >But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief
about
: >deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
: >simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
:
: Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist
and has
: no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius desision
to
: call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is
no
: god".
Actually, it is what you say that is *****. What you are talking about is
an explicit atheist. Most atheists are not explicit atheists.
: I don't know why theist are always trying to water down our beleifs, I
: gess it makes it easier for them to ignore our rights.
I am an atheist you damn fool.
: Intollerance comes in
: many forms including denial.
You have certainly demonstrated that fact.
: p.s. if you really don't care what atheist think, don't post in
alt.atheism
I am an atheist and I know what I think. You are confused.
--
Machque
"I think I'll believe in Gosh instead of God. If you don't believe in Gosh
too, you'll be darned to heck." -- anonymous
"He is YOUR God. They are YOUR Rules. YOU burn in Hell!" -- lapel button
"I don't mind born again Christians as long as they realize they don't get
twice as many rights." -- lapel button
"A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many
regrets." -Arthur C. Clarke
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
28 Mar 2006 10:20:15 PM |
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Ray Higgins wrote:
"Amangi Machque" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist and has
no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius desision to
call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is no
god". I don't know why theist are always trying to water down our beleifs, I
gess it makes it easier for them to ignore our rights. Intollerance comes in
many forms including denial.
p.s. if you really don't care what atheist think, don't post in alt.atheism
That's really cute, and demonstrates the confused nature of Amangie's
posts. He also forgot to explain what the rest of his post had to do
with the fact that most publishers are Christian. LOL.
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| User: "Amangi Machque" |
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28 Mar 2006 10:30:35 PM |
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"Linda Lee" wrote
: Ray Higgins wrote:
: > "Amangi Machque" wrote:
: > >"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
: > >believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a
pantheon
: > >of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
: > >dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but
because
: > >it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage.
Some
: > >individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that
definition.
: > >But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief
about
: > >deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
: > >simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
: >
: > Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist
and has
: > no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius
desision to
: > call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is
no
: > god". I don't know why theist are always trying to water down our
beleifs, I
: > gess it makes it easier for them to ignore our rights. Intollerance
comes in
: > many forms including denial.
: >
: > p.s. if you really don't care what atheist think, don't post in
alt.atheism
:
: That's really cute, and demonstrates the confused nature of Amangie's
: posts. He also forgot to explain what the rest of his post had to do
: with the fact that most publishers are Christian. LOL.
The joke is on you mental midget. Higgins was shown his error by other
atheists. LOL!!!
--
Machque
The search for truth is more precious than its possession. -Albert Einstein
There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair. -Albert
Einstein
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is
shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. -Albert Einstein
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?cantc=FF?=" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Coucous Atheism"; |
24 Mar 2006 11:14:47 PM |
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Ray Higgins wrote:
"Amangi Machque" quoted from <http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm>:
"Most of the North American public defines an "Atheist" is a person who
believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon
of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American
dictionaries -- not just because most publishers are Christian, but because
it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage. Some
individuals who consider themselves Atheists mesh well with that definition.
But they may be in the minority. Most Atheists simply have no belief about
deity. For them, Atheism is not disbelief in a deity or deities; it is
simply a lack of belief." (Definitions of the term "Atheism";
Sorry but ... whoever wrote his does not know any atheist
Actually, B.A. Robinson most likely *is* an atheist.
p.s. if you really don't care what atheist think, don't post in alt.atheism
If you can't comprehend what was written, don't reply to it.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
24 Mar 2006 09:38:43 PM |
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Ray Higgins wrote:
Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist and has
no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius desision to
call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is no
god".
This is absurd. It doesn't require a conscious effort to conclude
there is no god unless one was reared to believe in a god from infancy.
for those who have never believed in a god, becoming a theist would
require a conscious effort. Please be more careful with your sweeping
generalizations.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
25 Mar 2006 03:09:43 AM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote
Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist
and has
no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius
desision to
call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is
no
god".
This is absurd. It doesn't require a conscious effort to conclude
there is no god unless one was reared to believe in a god from infancy.
for those who have never believed in a god, becoming a theist would
require a conscious effort. Please be more careful with your sweeping
generalizations.
You see that is not true.
Emile Durkheim, writing at the beginning of the twentieth century, found not
a single example of an atheist society.
This is the problem with allowing atheists to define the intellectual basis
of their own position - it soon leads to false conclusions.
Most atheists are not trained philosophers. They know which propositions
they assent to and which they reject, but they don't know how to define
their own position in any rigorous way.
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Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $6.90 paper, available www.lulu.com
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Definitions of the term "Atheism"; |
25 Mar 2006 06:57:19 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote
Sorry but this is *****, whoever wrote his does not know any atheist
and has
no clue to what others beleive. Anyone who has made the concoius
desision to
call themselves an atheist, has made a coucous decsision that "there is
no
god".
This is absurd. It doesn't require a conscious effort to conclude
there is no god unless one was reared to believe in a god from infancy.
for those who have never believed in a god, becoming a theist would
require a conscious effort. Please be more careful with your sweeping
generalizations.
You see that is not true.
Emile Durkheim, writing at the beginning of the twentieth century, found not
a single example of an atheist society.
===>He could not find any "theist society", either.
Believing (or not believing) is NOT done by any "society".
It is an individual matter. -- L.
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