Religions > Bible > Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design
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http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
by R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Joe and Deb Schum of
Atlanta aren't worried about baby proofing their house or buying a car
seat. As a matter of fact, the couple doesn't ever intend to have
children and they are proud of their childlessness. According to the
newspaper's report, "the Schums are part of a growing number of couples
across the country for whom kids don't factor in the marriage
equation."
The paper also pointed to the fact that the nation's birthrate fell
last year to an historic low of 66.9 births per 1,000 women age 15-44.
That represents a decline of 43% since just 1960. "Many childless
couples," according to the report, "revel in their decision, despite
badgering from baffled mothers and friends. Others struggle with the
choice before keeping the house kid-free."
The Schums just don't want kids to get in the way of their lifestyle.
They enjoy cruising to the Georgia mountains on their matching
Harley-Davidson motorcycles. They love their gourmet kitchen, outfitted
with the very latest stainless steel appliances and trendy countertops.
Deb Schum explains, "if we had kids, we would need a table where the
kids could do homework." Clearly, children aren't a part of their
interior design plan.
This pattern of childlessness has caught the attention of others in the
media. The left-wing internet site Salon.com actually published a
series of articles entitled, "To Breed or Not to Breed." This series of
articles featured couples and individuals who have decided that
children are not a part of their chosen lifestyle.
One woman wrote that parenthood just isn't a part of her plan,
regardless of cultural expectations to the contrary. Motherhood just
doesn't fit her self-image or her schedule. "I compete in triathlons;
my husband practices martial arts; we both have fulfilling careers; we
travel the world ... we enjoy family and friends; we have a fun,
intimate relationship." For others, the bottom line is simply
financial. One woman asked: "What would the return be on the
investment? Are there any laws that would require my children to pay
for my nursing home when I am old? Are they going to be a sufficient
hedge against poverty and loneliness?" A return on investment?
Some who have chosen to be childless have actually formed organizations
in order to band together. The group "No Kidding" was formed in Atlanta
four years ago as a social outlet for couples choosing to have no
children. Traci Swartz, an occupational therapist in her thirties,
joined "No Kidding" with her husband Jeremy, a 32-year-old computer
analyst. "When you don't have children, you are not involved in any
activities like a lot of other people, like soccer and ballet," said
Traci.
She explained that "No Kidding" members are more likely to talk about
pets, travel, or other common interests. Kids rarely come up as a topic
of conversation. "People think we sit around and talk about how we hate
kids, but we almost never mention kids," Traci explained. No wonder.
Another woman in the Atlanta group explained, "you focus those motherly
feelings elsewhere. For us, our dogs get all that love." That worldview
is sick, but more and more common.
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse and children as a
divine gift. The Psalmist declared: "Behold, children are a gift of the
Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a
warrior, so are the children of one's youth. How blessed is the man
whose quiver is full of them; they will not be ashamed when they speak
with their enemies in the gate." [Psalm 127: 3-5]
Morally speaking, the epidemic in this regard has nothing to do with
those married couples who desire children but are for any reason unable
to have them, but in those who are fully capable of having children but
reject this intrusion in their lifestyle.
The motto of this new movement of chosen childlessness could be
encapsulated by the bumper sticker put out by the Zero Population
Growth group in the 1970s: "MAKE LOVE, NOT BABIES." This is the precise
worldview the Scripture rejects. Marriage, sex, and children are part
of one package. To deny any part of this wholeness is to reject God's
intention in creation--and His mandate revealed in the Bible.
The sexual revolution has had many manifestations, but we can now see
that modern Americans are determined not only to liberate sex for
marriage [and even from gender], but also from procreation.
The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to
have children. The shocking reality is that some Christians have bought
into this lifestyle and claim childlessness as a legitimate option. The
rise of modern contraceptives has made this technologically possible.
But the fact remains that though childlessness may be made possible by
the contraceptive revolution, it remains a form of rebellion against
God's design and order.
Couples are not given the option of chosen childlessness in the
biblical revelation. To the contrary, we are commanded to receive
children with joy as God's gifts, and to raise them in the nurture and
admonition of the Lord. We are to find many of our deepest joys and
satisfactions in the raising of children within the context of the
family. Those who reject children want to have the joys of sex and
marital companionship without the responsibilities of parenthood. They
rely on others to produce and sustain the generations to come.
This epidemic of chosen childlessness will not be corrected by secular
rethinking. In an effort to separate the pleasure of sex from the power
of procreation, modern Americans think that sex totally free from
constraint or conception is their right. Children, of course, do
represent a serious constraint on the life of parents. Parenthood is
not a hobby, but represents one of the most crucial opportunities for
the making of saints found in this life.
The culture is clearly buying into this concept. Legal fights over
apartment complexes and other accommodations come down to the claim
that adults ought to be able to live in a child-free environment.
Others claim that too much tax money and public attention is given to
children, and that this is an unfair imposition upon those who choose
not to "breed." Of course, the very use of this terminology betrays the
rebellion in this argument. Animals breed. Human beings procreate and
raise children to the glory of God.
Without doubt, children do impose themselves upon our creature
comforts, waking us up in the middle of the night with demanding needs
and inconvenient interruptions. Parents learn all too quickly that
children are not only the smiling cherub sleeping in the crib, but also
the dirty-faced preschooler, the headstrong teenager, and the
boisterous grade-schooler.
The church should insist that the biblical formula calls for adulthood
to mean marriage and marriage to mean children. This reminds us of our
responsibility to raise boys to be husbands and fathers and girls to be
wives and mothers. God's glory is seen in this, for the family is a
critical arena where the glory of God is either displayed or denied. It
is just as simple as that.
The church must help this society regain its sanity on the gift of
children. Willful barrenness and chosen childlessness must be named as
moral rebellion. To demand that marriage means sex--but not
children--is to defraud the creator of His joy and pleasure in seeing
the saints raising His children. That is just the way it is. No
kidding.
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Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., serves as president of The Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary--the flagship school of the Southern Baptist
Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world. He is a
theologian and ordained minister, as well as an author, speaker and
host of his own radio program The Albert Mohler Program, and he serves
as one of CBMW's council members. He has two commentary websites:
http://albertmohler.com and http://conventionalthinking.net.
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11 Dec 2006 05:10:12 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> skrev i melding
news:1165870531.629857.320030@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Two words for you: Clerical celibacy.
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11 Dec 2006 06:59:27 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165870531.629857.320030@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's
Design
....unless you're ***** "scumbag" cheney's daughter.
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Doc Smartass
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses." -- Relf's Law
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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11 Dec 2006 03:18:43 PM |
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In article <1165870531.629857.320030
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
sound_of_trumpet@myway.com says...
Subject: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design
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Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
yawwwwwnnnnnnn
How many children did Christ produce?
Regards,
Josef
There are scores of thousands of human insects who are
ready at a moment's notice to reveal the will of God on
every possible subject.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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11 Dec 2006 03:12:16 PM |
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In article <1165870531.629857.320030@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> writes:
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
by R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
Oh, we have enough kids that between 25,000 and 40,000 of
them die each day from starvation.
But never enough for your god, eh? never enough for your god.
-- cary
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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11 Dec 2006 03:22:33 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1165870531.629857.320030@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> writes:
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
by R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
Oh, we have enough kids that between 25,000 and 40,000 of
them die each day from starvation.
But never enough for your god, eh? never enough for your god.
It's also more evidence of the kkkristians desires to control people's
sex lives.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Dec 2006 04:37:01 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2006 12:55:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
It's your god's design that even those who would be terrible parents
have children anyway?
That just points out how truly deranged Christianity is. Quantity
over quality.
The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse
For those who want children. It's no more a curse for those who don't
than lack of a prehensile nose is for people, even though it would be
a great curse for an elephant.
The Psalmist declared: "Behold, children are a gift of the
Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward.
The psalms also told us how wonderful homosexual love is. Is Mohler
prepared to go there?
Morally speaking, the epidemic in this regard has nothing to do with
those married couples who desire children but are for any reason unable
to have them
Which, according to your Bible, is your god's curse on those couples.
The motto of this new movement of chosen childlessness could be
encapsulated by the bumper sticker put out by the Zero Population
Growth group in the 1970s: "MAKE LOVE, NOT BABIES."
If the choices are that or "make babies with no love", your
Christianity prefers the latter. And that's SICK!
The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to
have children.
Or married women who can own property or make decisions for
themselves. Or women who can live without being in a home owned by a
man. Or a woman who is not owned, body and soul, by a man.
Your Bible, IOW, doesn't envision reality.
The shocking reality is that some Christians have bought
into this lifestyle and claim childlessness as a legitimate option.
The shocking truth is that it's none of your Church's business who
chooses to have children and who doesn't.
Couples are not given the option of chosen childlessness in the
biblical revelation.
Women aren't given the option of freedom in your Bible. Slaves aren't
given the option of freedom in your Bible. It's time your Bible was
ignored. It's time not ignoring the dictates of your Bible was used
as a sanity test.
Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
is a misogynistic control freak, and shouldn't be allowed contact with
sentient beings. He and his non-sentient followers should be locked
away where they won't cause trouble for bacteria, worms, insects and
other creatures of a higher order than themselves.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."
- George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000
"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith,
deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by
God to save Germany."
- Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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11 Dec 2006 11:51:54 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2006 12:55:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Speaking as a Special Education teacher, I can tell you that I have a
number of Orthodox Jewish students in my class, who are there because
their parents felt compelled by God to keep reproducing despite the
fact that they had already produced several developmentally disabled
children for genetic reasons. So on my behalf and theirs, let me
extend a hearty "Go ***** yourself, and ***** your God as well". You're
a prime example of why Dawkins is right in his crusade against
religion.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Dec 2006 05:50:51 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:55:31 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design
So you're *not Christian then...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned
and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and
the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until
all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic
is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever
before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions
may prove groundless." -Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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11 Dec 2006 08:01:08 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet a =E9crit :
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=3D23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
Wow. Good thing Mary Cheney went ahead and got preggers then, right?
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No Gods. No Masters.
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12 Dec 2006 08:55:11 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Christ didn't marry or have children. Did he revolt against God's design
or is the author being intellectually inconsistent? Priests, nuns, and
popes are also childless. Are they revolting against God's design?
(Another intellectual pygmy.)
--
Pat
Impeach Bush
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/
Articles of Impeachment
Center for Constitutional Rights
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/april_2006/articles_of_impeachment.html
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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13 Dec 2006 07:34:37 AM |
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zzpat a =E9crit :
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Christ didn't marry or have children.
So dark the con of Man.
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "catfish" |
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13 Dec 2006 08:10:06 AM |
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zzpat wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Christ didn't marry or have children. Did he revolt against God's design
or is the author being intellectually inconsistent? Priests, nuns, and
popes are also childless. Are they revolting against God's design?
(Another intellectual pygmy.)
--
Pat
Impeach Bush
Are we sure Yeshua ben Yoseph didn't marry? Recent analysis of the
whole of the references to the Jewish guy that the Greeks transformed
into a "god" call those antique assumptions into question.
Catfish
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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13 Dec 2006 12:01:08 PM |
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On 13 Dec 2006 06:10:06 -0800, while bungee jumping, "catfish"
<beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Are we sure Yeshua ben Yoseph didn't marry? Recent analysis of the
whole of the references to the Jewish guy that the Greeks transformed
into a "god" call those antique assumptions into question.
You mean analysis of texts that came long after Him
and long after those who actually knew Him died.
And the supposed "analysis" are claims about words
that aren't even in the text. A missing word is
assumed to be what they want it to be, by the liberal
and hey, whadda ya know? Since the media is liberal
and since people don't want to have to face their sin
and wish to bring Jesus down to their level, all of
the sudden, we're told that there is strong evidence
that He was married! Please! <chuckle>
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "catfish" |
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14 Dec 2006 08:49:04 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 06:10:06 -0800, while bungee jumping, "catfish"
<beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Are we sure Yeshua ben Yoseph didn't marry? Recent analysis of the
whole of the references to the Jewish guy that the Greeks transformed
into a "god" call those antique assumptions into question.
You mean analysis of texts that came long after Him
and long after those who actually knew Him died.
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
And the supposed "analysis" are claims about words
that aren't even in the text.
Which "text"? There was a bunch of them.
A missing word is
assumed to be what they want it to be, by the liberal
and hey, whadda ya know?
You mean like the "orthodox" have been doing for centuries?
Since the media is liberal
Sean Hannity? Rush "Limpballs" Limbaugh? Tony Snow? (etc., ad
nauseum.)
and since people don't want to have to face their sin
I've quite enjoyed mine...
and wish to bring Jesus down to their level,
I thought you guys were pro-family, pro-marriage?
all of
the sudden, we're told that there is strong evidence
that He was married! Please! <chuckle>
It's a logical deduction. We don't know. But then, neither do you.
All "religious" assertions are of equal literal/factual value - meaning
NO LITERAL SIGNIFICANCE WHAT-SO-EVER.
Catfish
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:03:15 AM |
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On 14 Dec 2006 06:49:04 -0800, while bungee jumping, "catfish"
<beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 06:10:06 -0800, while bungee jumping, "catfish"
<beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Are we sure Yeshua ben Yoseph didn't marry? Recent analysis of the
whole of the references to the Jewish guy that the Greeks transformed
into a "god" call those antique assumptions into question.
You mean analysis of texts that came long after Him
and long after those who actually knew Him died.
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
If you wish to prove yourself an idiot, then feel free.
Prove your claim, or shut up. You will not waste
my time with this garbage.
And the supposed "analysis" are claims about words
that aren't even in the text.
Which "text"? There was a bunch of them.
You saw my response. You are simply acting like an *****.
You are a moron, with nothing of value to say and you
wish to pretend that your assinine statements have value
and it is sure that you will try to claim that your statements
must be refuted by me, when it is you who is making all
of the claims.
Goodbye, moron.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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14 Dec 2006 10:58:04 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
"catfish" <beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
If you wish to prove yourself an idiot, then feel free.
Prove your claim, or shut up. You will not waste
my time with this garbage.
I realize that you are new to Christianity and all, so perhaps you
should brush up on your Bible history. The oldest written texts in the
New Testament are the epistles of Paul. They date back to about 25
years *after* Jesus's early life. Paul never met Jesus. The Gospels
did not appear until 50 to 70 years after Jesus. They were not written
by anyone who had actually met Jesus or seen him, but by followers of
apostles who had. As was the custom of those days, the writers
attributed their work to their masters.
But don't take my word for it. Any decent history of Christianity will
confirm what I'm telling you.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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15 Dec 2006 10:47:24 AM |
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On 14 Dec 2006 20:58:04 -0800, while bungee jumping,
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
"catfish" <beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
If you wish to prove yourself an idiot, then feel free.
Prove your claim, or shut up. You will not waste
my time with this garbage.
I realize that you are new to Christianity and all, so perhaps you
should brush up on your Bible history. The oldest written texts in the
New Testament are the epistles of Paul. They date back to about 25
years *after* Jesus's early life. Paul never met Jesus. The Gospels
did not appear until 50 to 70 years after Jesus. They were not written
by anyone who had actually met Jesus or seen him, but by followers of
apostles who had. As was the custom of those days, the writers
attributed their work to their masters.
But don't take my word for it. Any decent history of Christianity will
confirm what I'm telling you.
More liberalism that masquerades as truth.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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15 Dec 2006 09:33:01 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
"catfish" <beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
If you wish to prove yourself an idiot, then feel free.
Prove your claim, or shut up. You will not waste
my time with this garbage.
I realize that you are new to Christianity and all, so perhaps you
should brush up on your Bible history. The oldest written texts in the
New Testament are the epistles of Paul. They date back to about 25
years *after* Jesus's early life. Paul never met Jesus. The Gospels
did not appear until 50 to 70 years after Jesus. They were not written
by anyone who had actually met Jesus or seen him, but by followers of
apostles who had. As was the custom of those days, the writers
attributed their work to their masters.
[Correction: I meant Jesus's *earthly*, not early, life.]
But don't take my word for it. Any decent history of Christianity will
confirm what I'm telling you.
More liberalism that masquerades as truth.
The truth may set you free, but you have to be open to receiving it.
Here's a fun learning activity for you - go up to your church's pastor
and ask him when the Gospel according to John was written. For extra
credit, ask him how many gospels there are besides the four that made
it into the Bible. If he answers you truthfully, you will be
astonished and enlightened.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:42:41 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 07:33:01 -0800, while bungee jumping,
spartakus@my-deja.com shouted thusly:
The truth may set you free, but you have to be open to receiving it.
Here's a fun learning activity for you - go up to your church's pastor
and ask him when the Gospel according to John was written. For extra
credit, ask him how many gospels there are besides the four that made
it into the Bible. If he answers you truthfully, you will be
astonished and enlightened.
You define truth as what you agree with. These newer sates
are old thinking. Catch up.
And with that, you can argue with yourself about it.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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15 Dec 2006 09:34:56 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com shouted thusly:
The truth may set you free, but you have to be open to receiving it.
Here's a fun learning activity for you - go up to your church's pastor
and ask him when the Gospel according to John was written. For extra
credit, ask him how many gospels there are besides the four that made
it into the Bible. If he answers you truthfully, you will be
astonished and enlightened.
You define truth as what you agree with. These newer sates
are old thinking. Catch up.
And with that, you can argue with yourself about it.
Ah, so you are not the least bit interested in the history of the
religion you profess to believe. You are failing to demonstrate
sufficient evangelical zeal. Have you confessed your apathy to your
pastor?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
15 Dec 2006 01:41:43 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:42:41 -0800, Azaliah <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You define truth as what you agree with. These newer sates
are old thinking. Catch up.
And with that, you can argue with yourself about it.
Translation:
I know what I believe and, for me, that is what constitutes "truth".
No matter what anyone says I'll never change my mind.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
- Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 11-28-2004
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "catfish" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
17 Dec 2006 08:44:55 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 20:58:04 -0800, while bungee jumping,
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
"catfish" <beauregard_t_catfish@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
The NT wasn't written by people that actually "knew" him.
If you wish to prove yourself an idiot, then feel free.
Prove your claim, or shut up. You will not waste
my time with this garbage.
I realize that you are new to Christianity and all, so perhaps you
should brush up on your Bible history. The oldest written texts in the
New Testament are the epistles of Paul. They date back to about 25
years *after* Jesus's early life. Paul never met Jesus. The Gospels
did not appear until 50 to 70 years after Jesus. They were not written
by anyone who had actually met Jesus or seen him, but by followers of
apostles who had. As was the custom of those days, the writers
attributed their work to their masters.
But don't take my word for it. Any decent history of Christianity will
confirm what I'm telling you.
More liberalism that masquerades as truth.
As you can tell - this one's brain has been eaten by a disease known as
"fundamentalism."
Of course, none of this information about the authors of the NT is new,
except to graduates of Uncle Bobby's Bible College and Feed Store in
beautiful Bug Tussle Alabama.
Is there a cure for this dibilitating form of mental illness? I don't
know. But if he spent any time at Jesus Camp (see the movie!) he may be
lost to rational thought - forever.
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
Actually, it's "first come first served."
<((>< <((>< <((><
The wild native fish, I catch and release. The stupid lazy hatchies, I
eat.
"I come more and more to the conclusion that the wilderness, in America
or anywhere else, is the only thing left that is worth saving."
(Edward Abbey)
Catfish
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
13 Dec 2006 12:01:28 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
since people don't want to have to face their sin
and wish to bring Jesus down to their level
Ok, let me get this straight. If Jesus had been married and had
children (blasphemy!), that would have been a sin. But if we remain
childless it's a sin. And we can't have children without being married,
cause it's a sin. *****, no wonder you people think all humans are
wretched sinful creatures. EVERYTHING TO YOU IS A FUCKING SIN! Living
is a sin, dying is a sin, everything you do in-between is a sin.
Whoopeedoo!
As far as him being brought 'to our level', isn't the whole point of
your myth that He came to take upon himself our sins so that he might
die for them and absolve us of them? I think that the person who
brought Jesus down to our level is Jesus himself... Well, according to
those wonderful fairy tales that people read in the Bible, in any case.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "catfish" |
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14 Dec 2006 08:56:42 AM |
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DarkAngel wrote:
Azaliah wrote:
since people don't want to have to face their sin
and wish to bring Jesus down to their level
Ok, let me get this straight. If Jesus had been married and had
children (blasphemy!), that would have been a sin. But if we remain
childless it's a sin. And we can't have children without being married,
cause it's a sin. *****, no wonder you people think all humans are
wretched sinful creatures. EVERYTHING TO YOU IS A FUCKING SIN! Living
is a sin, dying is a sin, everything you do in-between is a sin.
Whoopeedoo!
As far as him being brought 'to our level', isn't the whole point of
your myth that He came to take upon himself our sins so that he might
die for them and absolve us of them? I think that the person who
brought Jesus down to our level is Jesus himself... Well, according to
those wonderful fairy tales that people read in the Bible, in any case.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
This "Jesus" fella just sort of swooped down from the "Heavenly
Heights" to stroll amungst us lowly humanoids, dropping off pithy
utterances like a bird drops on the heads of people fishing off of a
pier.
He was "magical".
Catfish
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| User: "catfish" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
12 Dec 2006 02:39:16 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood
represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Awwww *****!
Catfish
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
11 Dec 2006 04:08:39 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
<Snip propaganda> Oh, bite me. Deliberate childlessness is great if
(1) you don't like children and/or (2) you care about the environment
and/or (3) you know you aren't cut out for parenthood. Everyone
*doesn't* have to breed.
Brenda "Childfree" Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
12 Dec 2006 03:43:30 PM |
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skyeyes ha escrito:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
<Snip propaganda> Oh, bite me. Deliberate childlessness is great if
(1) you don't like children and/or (2) you care about the environment
and/or (3) you know you aren't cut out for parenthood. Everyone
*doesn't* have to breed.
Brenda "Childfree" Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
I remember tha in Swenden some twenty years ago were worried about low
birthrates, and they made some fiscal laws to help parents with kids.
So if the US government is worried by low birth rates, has to applied
some fiscal incentives to help parents with kids.
That's all.
On the other hand, it is much better that those people without any
sense of parenthood do not beget any babies.
Leopoldo
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
13 Dec 2006 12:14:10 PM |
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leo wrote:
I remember tha in Swenden some twenty years ago were worried about low
birthrates, and they made some fiscal laws to help parents with kids.
They've done this in Germany as well. However, it didn't help the
birth rate.
The funny thing is, when educational levels and incomes go up, the
birth rate *always* drops. This tells me that when women have
knowledge and choice, more of them choose limited motherhood or not
being a mother at all.
So if the US government is worried by low birth rates, has to applied
some fiscal incentives to help parents with kids.
The birthrate in the U.S. is just fine, about 2.5 kids per family.
These goofballs who fuss about the birthrate are the same ones who want
contraception banned, because they like to think that the only
legitimate reason to have sex is to have babies.
That's all.
On the other hand, it is much better that those people without any
sense of parenthood do not beget any babies.
Unfortunately, here in the U.S., there are passels of people having
babies who have no sense of how to parent, or who even *want* children.
Kids are just something that happens to them, because they're too
ignorant or lazy to use birth control. Abortion has been demonized by
the Religious Reich to the point that even though it's still legal, in
many locations it's not available. At any rate, many of these
I-couldn't-be-bothered-to-use-birth-control fuckups think it's better
to have a living baby and then abuse it, rather than to simply abort a
first trimester fetus. Pathetic.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
13 Dec 2006 12:14:15 PM |
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leo wrote:
I remember tha in Swenden some twenty years ago were worried about low
birthrates, and they made some fiscal laws to help parents with kids.
They've done this in Germany as well. However, it didn't help the
birth rate.
The funny thing is, when educational levels and incomes go up, the
birth rate *always* drops. This tells me that when women have
knowledge and choice, more of them choose limited motherhood or not
being a mother at all.
So if the US government is worried by low birth rates, has to applied
some fiscal incentives to help parents with kids.
The birthrate in the U.S. is just fine, about 2.5 kids per family.
These goofballs who fuss about the birthrate are the same ones who want
contraception banned, because they like to think that the only
legitimate reason to have sex is to have babies.
That's all.
On the other hand, it is much better that those people without any
sense of parenthood do not beget any babies.
Unfortunately, here in the U.S., there are passels of people having
babies who have no sense of how to parent, or who even *want* children.
Kids are just something that happens to them, because they're too
ignorant or lazy to use birth control. Abortion has been demonized by
the Religious Reich to the point that even though it's still legal, in
many locations it's not available. At any rate, many of these
I-couldn't-be-bothered-to-use-birth-control fuckups think it's better
to have a living baby and then abuse it, rather than to simply abort a
first trimester fetus. Pathetic.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Deliberate Childlessness Is An Absolute Revolt Against God's Design |
11 Dec 2006 03:37:34 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.gender-news.com/other.php?id=23
Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face
<sneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyeerp>
How many kids has the pope had then?
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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