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User: "Gactimus"
Date: 12 Dec 2004 02:21:09 PM
Object: Democrats: The Party of Marx
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and communism
than republican democracy.
If you think this is an outlandish claim, consider how a "modern" Democrat
would respond to the following statements:
1. "Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence. It
is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions,
to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power."
2. "In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man,
but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
3. "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or
to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments
of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason
is left free to combat it."
4. "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded
them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the
Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and
unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a
character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its
creators."
5. "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects
of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
6. "Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as
any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead
or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of
injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument
to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as
an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it. We have the
right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we
please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to
appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have
been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr.
Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in
office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government
was in arrears to him."
7. "I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity.
[To approve such spending] would be contrary to the letter and the
spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon
which the Union of these States is founded."
8. "I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan to indulge in
benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public
funds. ... I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the
Constitution."
George McGovern would go ballistic if someone made those statements today
.... describing such sentiments as reactionary ... and even un-American.
Yet, these sentiments where expressed by adherents to republican
democracy.
I mean, you've got Ted "Red" Kennedy (the poster child of the modern
Democrat Party) calling John Ashcroft "extreme" and "un-American" when
Ashcroft had the temerity to quote the Founding Fathers thoughts
concerning the Second Amendment.
The fact is that the modern Democrat Party loves Big Government ... it
loves to trust public employees (read: bureaucrats) ... and it loves to
promote class/race/gender/etc. warfare among the citizenry. In other
words, it's everything Jefferson was not. Modern Democrats should be
ashamed of themselves for having allowed their Party to stray from the
classical liberal path.
Democrats go about growing the government by promoting the welfare State.
Republicans go about it by promoting the warfare State. They don't seem to
care much about the constraints placed on them by the U.S. Constitution.
Most Democratic voters are too clueless or too apathetic to give a rat's
***** about any of the above. Most Democrats are more interested in how much
luxury they can shower upon themselves than bothering to ask whether THEIR
government is living within the bounds of the Constitution. So, Democratic
politicians aren't entirely to blame for the rampant deviation from the
constitutional limits of the federal government. But, on the other hand,
leaders are supposed to lead ... not follow. If we had real Democratic
leaders in Congress instead of political whores, we'd have people in
public office that still cared about the Constitution ... instead of
obsessing about their next election.
QUOTE SOURCES:
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison, author of the Constitution (Speaking about the
"General Welfare" clause of the U.S. Constitution)
5. James Madison (1792 -Congress appropriated $15,000 to assist some
French refugees)
6. Colonel David "Davy" Crockett (1829 -House of Representatives
considered a bill to appropriate money for the benefit of a widow of
a distinguished naval officer
7. Franklin Pierce, our 14th president, upon vetoing the bill (1854
Congress passed a bill to "help" the mentally ill)
8. Grover Cleveland, our 22nd and 24th president, upon vetoing the bill
(1887 -Congress passed an appropriation bill to "help" drought-stricken
counties in Texas)
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User: "Tron"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 06:05:15 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> skrev i melding
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The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and communism
than republican democracy.

Laudable as American Politics capable of development would be, no US
political party merits mention next to Marx; sorry. But put a little efort
into it, and one fine day you might get there.
T
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User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 08:41:01 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?
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User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 08:55:58 AM
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,


Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.
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User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:08:05 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of

Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.

What movies was he in?
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User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:09:54 AM
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,


Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?


Karl.


What movies was he in?

Who said anything about movies?
.
User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:39:43 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.

What movies was he in?

Who said anything about movies?

If you can't answer the question, just say so.
.
User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:39:39 AM
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...


The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,


Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?


Karl.


What movies was he in?


Who said anything about movies?


If you can't answer the question, just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
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User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 11:01:07 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party

of

Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.

What movies was he in?

Who said anything about movies?

If you can't answer the question, just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

Sheesh, talk about overkill - citing a fucking encyclopedia to answer a
simple question is like using a hole saw to open a can of soup. What an
unnecessarily strenuous existence you lead!
Karl wasn't in any movies? So what's your point?
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User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:53:46 AM
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...


The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party
of Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the
Party

of

Marx,


Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?


Karl.


What movies was he in?


Who said anything about movies?


If you can't answer the question, just say so.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx


Sheesh, talk about overkill - citing a fucking encyclopedia to answer a
simple question is like using a hole saw to open a can of soup. What an
unnecessarily strenuous existence you lead!

Karl wasn't in any movies? So what's your point?

Why were you trying to prove yourself to be an idiot?
.
User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 11:46:13 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party
of Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the
Party of Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.

What movies was he in?

Who said anything about movies?

If you can't answer the question, just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

Sheesh, talk about overkill - citing a fucking encyclopedia to answer a
simple question is like using a hole saw to open a can of soup. What an
unnecessarily strenuous existence you lead!
Karl wasn't in any movies? So what's your point?

Why were you trying to prove yourself to be an idiot?

When did you stop beating your spouse?
.







User: "chris.holt"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 10:45:53 AM
Gactimus wrote:

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,

Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

Karl.

Booooring. If you're going to respond to a joke in such
a literal-minded manner when it was obvious what was
meant, why bother?
What really bugs me right now is the name of the fifth
Marx brother, who only appeared in a couple of films.
I refuse to go and google the answer. Hmmph.
--
chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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User: "Bill Anderson"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 06:00:15 PM
chris.holt wrote:

Gactimus wrote:

"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...



The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,



Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?



Karl.



Booooring. If you're going to respond to a joke in such
a literal-minded manner when it was obvious what was
meant, why bother?

What really bugs me right now is the name of the fifth
Marx brother, who only appeared in a couple of films.
I refuse to go and google the answer. Hmmph.

Gummo. He appeared in no films at all, retiring from the stage before
the brothers became famous. He later managed them, and became a
successful talent agent.
Even so, he was a far more interesting Marx than Karl. It beats the
hell out of me why halfwits like Gactimus persist in nattering on about
old Boil-butt, fifteen years after he finally became completely... um,
completely... oh, what's the word I'm looking for? You know: has four
pairs of pants, lives in Philadelphia, and it never rains but it pours?
.



User: "Joe Blow"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 09:00:21 AM
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote...

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,


Groucho, Harpo, Chico or Zeppo?

***
Com-mies, Pink-os, and Hip-pies!! OH - MY!!!!
.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Republicans: The Party of Hitler 12 Dec 2004 03:55:40 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.

The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.
It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Joe Blow"

Title: Re: Republicans: The Party of Hitler 12 Dec 2004 06:02:05 PM
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

***
In 1907, Teddy Roosevelt wanted to leave politics aside for a while and go
big game hunting in Africa. Having been the most popular President in the
history of the nation to his day, he was able to effectively pick his
successor to the office of President in the person of his trusted friend,
William Howard Taft.
Instead of adopting TR's populist, bully-pulpit approach to the office,
Taft, being more of a judicial temperment, preferred private negotiation and
legal process as means of achieiving his political ends.
Although it might be argued that Taft meant well, this difference in
inherent political style and personal temperment led to a significant
alienation of the popular progressive movement on which the Republican party
had originally been founded. Without the support of this movement from
within the party, Taft fell into a subsequent and somewhat unwitting
capitulation to corporate interests. (Sound familiar?)
The Republican Party, which has only taken to widely calling itself "the
party of Lincoln" since the Reagan administration, thus actually experienced
a schizm with the re-nomination of William Howard Taft in 1911, pushing
Teddy Roosevelt's second, (if somewhat belated,) bid for the Republican
nomination aside. It was in that year that the Republican party left its
progressive roots behind, desperately cemented its fate to corporate
interests, and in this writer's opionion, while trying to hide this
historical schizm from the electorate, it has never looked back.
Joe Blow
***
"Every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community
to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it."
(President Theodore Roosevelt, Speech, Osawatomie, August 31, 1910)
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User: "Gactimus"

Title: Democrats: The Party of Marx 12 Dec 2004 04:38:36 PM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.

Of course, Ray is just another sensationalist who can't back up his
assertions.
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 12 Dec 2004 06:40:54 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.


Of course, Ray is just another sensationalist who can't back up his
assertions.

Talking about yourself, gack?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 12 Dec 2004 04:47:46 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.


Of course, Ray is just another sensationalist who can't back up his
assertions.

stop projecting.
.


User: "Mani Deli"

Title: Re: Republicans: The Party of Hitler 13 Dec 2004 12:47:02 PM
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:55:40 GMT,
(Ray
Fischer) wrote:

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.

You left out the fact that it is along with about half the Democrats,
it is a party of ordinary crooks who are busy trying to legalize the
sorts of crimes in which they are engaged.
Things are going to get a lot worse!
Pessimist: Things couldn't get much worse.
Optimist:They still has a long way to go.
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User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 12:55:28 PM
Mani Deli <mani@sympatico.ca> wrote in
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:55:40 GMT,

(Ray
Fischer) wrote:

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln. It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.


You left out the fact that it is along with about half the Democrats,
it is a party of ordinary crooks who are busy trying to legalize the
sorts of crimes in which they are engaged.

Just look at Ted Kennedy.
.

User: "Mani Deli"

Title: Re: Republicans: The Party of Hitler 13 Dec 2004 04:44:37 PM
Re: 9 Out of 10 Pedophiles Prefer Bush
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User: "Name Redacted"

Title: Re: Republicans: The Party of Hitler 13 Dec 2004 03:39:50 PM
Ray Fischer wrote:

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson.


The Republican party is no longer worthy to call itself the party of
Lincoln.

Wrong! It *IS* the party of Lincoln...*GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL*!
And it is the party of Jefferson....Jefferson Davis!

It has become a party of religious fanaticism, agreesion,
war, and the trampling of human rights.

It has far more in common with the intolerance of fascism than it has
with the ideals of liberty and freedom from government control.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

.


User: "--sexkitten--"

Title: Re: Democrats: The Party of Marx 13 Dec 2004 04:59:01 AM
Gactimus wrote:

The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and communism
than republican democracy.

If you think this is an outlandish claim, consider how a "modern" Democrat
would respond to the following statements:

1. "Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence. It
is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions,
to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power."

2. "In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man,
but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

3. "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or
to change its republican form,

That would be your party, Optimus.
let them stand undisturbed as monuments

of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason
is left free to combat it."

4. "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded
them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the
Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and
unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a
character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its
creators."

5. "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects
of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

6. "Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as
any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead
or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of
injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument
to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as
an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it. We have the
right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we
please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to
appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have
been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr.
Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in
office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government
was in arrears to him."

So this means all Republicans will be perfectly willing to give up their
tax breaks and government handouts, right?

7. "I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity.
[To approve such spending] would be contrary to the letter and the
spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon
which the Union of these States is founded."

8. "I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan to indulge in
benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public
funds. ... I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the
Constitution."

George McGovern would go ballistic if someone made those statements today
... describing such sentiments as reactionary ... and even un-American.
Yet, these sentiments where expressed by adherents to republican
democracy.

I mean, you've got Ted "Red" Kennedy (the poster child of the modern
Democrat Party) calling John Ashcroft "extreme" and "un-American" when
Ashcroft had the temerity to quote the Founding Fathers thoughts
concerning the Second Amendment.

The fact is that the modern Democrat Party loves Big Government ... it
loves to trust public employees (read: bureaucrats) ... and it loves to
promote class/race/gender/etc. warfare among the citizenry. In other
words, it's everything Jefferson was not. Modern Democrats should be
ashamed of themselves for having allowed their Party to stray from the
classical liberal path.

Democrats go about growing the government by promoting the welfare State.
Republicans go about it by promoting the warfare State. They don't seem to
care much about the constraints placed on them by the U.S. Constitution.

Most Democratic voters are too clueless or too apathetic to give a rat's
***** about any of the above. Most Democrats are more interested in how much
luxury they can shower upon themselves than bothering to ask whether THEIR
government is living within the bounds of the Constitution. So, Democratic
politicians aren't entirely to blame for the rampant deviation from the
constitutional limits of the federal government. But, on the other hand,
leaders are supposed to lead ... not follow. If we had real Democratic
leaders in Congress instead of political whores, we'd have people in
public office that still cared about the Constitution ... instead of
obsessing about their next election.

QUOTE SOURCES:

1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison, author of the Constitution (Speaking about the
"General Welfare" clause of the U.S. Constitution)
5. James Madison (1792 -Congress appropriated $15,000 to assist some
French refugees)
6. Colonel David "Davy" Crockett (1829 -House of Representatives
considered a bill to appropriate money for the benefit of a widow of
a distinguished naval officer
7. Franklin Pierce, our 14th president, upon vetoing the bill (1854
Congress passed a bill to "help" the mentally ill)
8. Grover Cleveland, our 22nd and 24th president, upon vetoing the bill
(1887 -Congress passed an appropriation bill to "help" drought-stricken
counties in Texas)

--
--sexkitten--He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he
realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that
there wasn't an afterlife.
-Douglas Adams
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