Religions > Bible > Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party
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23 Dec 2004 11:30:59 AM |
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Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_12_06/cover.html
And the fact that Hispanic men are moving toward Republicans is a trend that
would make any Democratic strategist reach for the hemlock.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041221-103601-7360r.htm
And that does not even address the dying off of the FDR-era, vote-by-rote
"Democrat" bloc.
It's literally just a matter of time before the current version of the
Democratic Party becomes politically extinct.
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 02:26:05 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
Of course you didn't notice. The talking heads of our conservative
media failed to mention it, and therefore that fact simply doesn't
exist in your universe.
Stupid white people aren't a growing demographic, and that's what
should be troubling you neocons. Even with an incumbent war president
and a media own by conservatives beating the war drums, you could
barely edge out a victory. Think that's going to work next time? You
managed pickups in congress by Texas redistricting and retiring
southerners. Think those tactics can be used again?
By the way, Gregoire by +10 in Washington, even without the court
decision. You may commence whining about how unfair it is that
Republicans lose when the votes actually get counted.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:03:49 PM |
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Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:lu9ms09ompgpcs35uhu2anvohsp362m8ta@4ax.com:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
They did it by running as conservatives. In states like Georgia, Democrats
have lost the governorship and control of the state house for the first time
since the Civil War. Louisiana just elected its forst Republican senator.
Democrats were crushed in these usually Democratic states. This is two
election cycles in a row that the Democrats have lost Congressional seats
when they should have gained them, especially when there was a not-so-popular
president in the White House.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Dec 2004 10:13:25 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:lu9ms09ompgpcs35uhu2anvohsp362m8ta@4ax.com:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
They did it by running as conservatives.
You're lying again, moron. Boxer isn't a conservative and has never
run like a conservative.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Silence" |
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24 Dec 2004 06:12:56 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:lu9ms09ompgpcs35uhu2anvohsp362m8ta@4ax.com:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of
the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and
local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or
Daschle.
They did it by running as conservatives.
You're lying again, moron. Boxer isn't a conservative and has never
run like a conservative.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Going into an debate convinced the other guy is a moron is a sure way
to lose. The left has been losing a lot recently because of it.
All I can say about your attitude is, "Keep it up, man!". It will
insure conservative dominance of the politiacal scene.
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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23 Dec 2004 03:07:14 PM |
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In talk.atheism Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
You're clearly not talking about *my* part of the country, which is
the state of Georgia. Democrats were thoroughly crushed statewide.
An 18 seat majority in the state House turned into a 6 seat deficit,
and they lost six more seats in the state Senate. The Democratic
candidate for U.S. Senate, a black woman with firm party-line beliefs,
was trounced by an extremely conservative Republican. The gay
marriage amendment passed with three-quarters of the vote.
Maybe your state is different, but I somehow doubt it.
Stupid white people aren't a growing demographic
What country are you living in again?
, and that's what
should be troubling you neocons. Even with an incumbent war president
and a media own by conservatives beating the war drums, you could
barely edge out a victory.
Even with a badly miscalculated war and questionable economic
decisions to use as ammunition, Democrats were squashed across the
board. If I were a Republican, I'd be feeling mighty good right now.
Think that's going to work next time?
Yes.
You
managed pickups in congress by Texas redistricting and retiring
southerners. Think those tactics can be used again?
Yes.
By the way, Gregoire by +10 in Washington, even without the court
decision. You may commence whining about how unfair it is that
Republicans lose when the votes actually get counted.
And if a Democrat has a hard time winning a moderate state such as
Washington, how can Democrats win in the red state heartland?
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Dec 2004 10:12:48 PM |
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Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
You're clearly not talking about *my* part of the country, which is
the state of Georgia. Democrats were thoroughly crushed statewide.
But everybody knows that Georgia is populated by white morons.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:05:21 PM |
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Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in
news:cqfc22$hna$1@chessie.cirr.com:
In talk.atheism Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
You're clearly not talking about *my* part of the country, which is
the state of Georgia. Democrats were thoroughly crushed statewide.
An 18 seat majority in the state House turned into a 6 seat deficit,
and they lost six more seats in the state Senate. The Democratic
candidate for U.S. Senate, a black woman with firm party-line beliefs,
was trounced by an extremely conservative Republican. The gay
marriage amendment passed with three-quarters of the vote.
Yes, gay marriage amendments passed in every state where it was up for
vote, even in heavily liberal Oregon where it was expected to fail.
Democrats are on the losing end of the values debate.
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| User: "Mike" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:31:39 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:1103839521.67ce1640da95e4f43d67c6e7c9f5b91a@bubbanews...
Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in
news:cqfc22$hna$1@chessie.cirr.com:
In talk.atheism Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
You're clearly not talking about *my* part of the country, which is
the state of Georgia. Democrats were thoroughly crushed statewide.
An 18 seat majority in the state House turned into a 6 seat deficit,
and they lost six more seats in the state Senate. The Democratic
candidate for U.S. Senate, a black woman with firm party-line beliefs,
was trounced by an extremely conservative Republican. The gay
marriage amendment passed with three-quarters of the vote.
Yes, gay marriage amendments passed in every state where it was up for
vote, even in heavily liberal Oregon where it was expected to fail.
Democrats are on the losing end of the values debate.
Oh please. 50 years from now these overturned, silly and
pointless "defense of marriage" laws will be looked upon with
the exact same embarassment and disgust that we now feel
toward anti-miscegenation laws. One is unjustifiable racial
discrimination; the other unjustifiable gender discrimination.
In countries that have recognized same-sex marriages and
civil unions, the net effect on their societies has been altogether
conservative... Rates of opposite-sex marriage are up, rates of
opposite-sex divorce are down, divorce rates among same-sex
couples is ONE-THIRD that of opposite-sex couples, etc etc.
Every 50 years or so a majority of the American people simply
lose their minds. Remember the 1950's? A commie lurked
under every bed, we were involved in "police actions" in Korea
(and later Vietnam), we told our kids to duck under freaking
SCHOOL TABLES as defense against nuclear attack. And
on and on. In other words, absolute insanity.
It's the same ***** now, with a slightly different shovel. We'll
get past this current psychotic episode like we always have.
Definitely by 2008 ;-)
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Dec 2004 10:06:04 AM |
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Gerry Quinn <gerryq@DELETETHISindigo.ie> wrote:
In article <cqfc22$hna$1@chessie.cirr.com>,
says...
In talk.atheism Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
Stupid white people aren't a growing demographic
What country are you living in again?
Actually this may be the latest focus for the self-delusion of the
Left.
Neocons certainly do have a distorted view of reality.
When some unfortunate loon killed himself in an apparent anti-
democracy protest at the Twin Towers site after the election, they
turned to their guru Michael Moore,
"Apparent"?
"Guru"?
The usual neocon propaganda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Jeffrey C. Dege" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:25:25 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:07:14 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
In talk.atheism Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
You're clearly not talking about *my* part of the country, which is
the state of Georgia.
The Dems did OK in local elections in Minnesota and in Colorado.
--
Ownership of the means of production is not a privilege, but a social
liability. Capitalists and landowners are compelled to employ their
property for the best possible satisfaction of the consumers. If they are
slow and inept in the performance of their duties, they are penalized by
losses. If they do not learn the lesson and do not reform their conduct
of affairs, they lose their wealth. No investment is safe forever.
- Ludwig von Mises, "Human Action: A Treatise on Economics"
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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23 Dec 2004 02:40:35 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
What I find funny is how a certain kind of people (and the media) think
a 51-49 split means that there has been a vast shift in 'values' and the
losing party is dying.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Severian" |
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23 Dec 2004 02:48:44 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:40:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
What I find funny is how a certain kind of people (and the media) think
a 51-49 split means that there has been a vast shift in 'values' and the
losing party is dying.
It's a popular mandate, by god, and you better fucking believe it.
Otherwise, you will rot in hell with me.
PS. People are stupid.
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Sev
"Happy Birthday, baby Jesus. Please don't send us to hell!"
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| User: "Jeffrey C. Dege" |
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23 Dec 2004 04:24:01 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:40:35 +0000 (UTC), Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
You did notice that the Democrats kicked ***** at the state and local
levels across the country, right? And they did it by acting like
Democrats, not as Republican-lite candidates like Kerry or Daschle.
What I find funny is how a certain kind of people (and the media) think
a 51-49 split means that there has been a vast shift in 'values' and the
losing party is dying.
It's not a change from 51-49 to 49-51 in a single election. It's a
decades' long slide from 70-30 to 60-40 to 51-49 to 49-51 to 48-52.
The Democrats have been steadily losing ground for thirty years. Yes,
right now we're going over the tipping point, with the majority moving
from Democrat to Republican. But the slide has been going on at all
levels, and there's no indication that it's going to stop.
Certainly the Democrats have shown no willingness to consider new ideas.
Despite the clear fact that their old ideas are losing.
--
It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and
by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate
the habit of thinking about what we are doing. The precise opposite is the
case. Civilization advances by extending the numbers of important operations
which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are
like cavalry charges in battle -- they are strictly limited in number, they
require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.
- Alfred North Whitehead
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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24 Dec 2004 09:38:21 AM |
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(Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
It's not a change from 51-49 to 49-51 in a single election. It's a
decades' long slide from 70-30 to 60-40 to 51-49 to 49-51 to 48-52.
Corresponding directly to southern (and other) racists switching
parties. And there's never been a 70-30 split in this country.
The Democrats have been steadily losing ground for thirty years. Yes,
right now we're going over the tipping point, with the majority moving
from Democrat to Republican. But the slide has been going on at all
levels, and there's no indication that it's going to stop.
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay bashing
solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans certainly
couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of the media only
gets you so far; eventually the BS can't be covered up anymore.
Democrats won handily in Republican strongholds like Montana, Colorado
and North Carolina. They made solid gains at state and local levels
across the nation. And they didn't run as Republican-lite. So how does
that square with your "tipping point" and "discredited ideas" theory?
Certainly the Democrats have shown no willingness to consider new ideas.
Despite the clear fact that their old ideas are losing.
Old ideas like "Civil rights"? Lyndon Johnson said when he signed the
Civil Rights Act that they'd lost the south for a generation. He was
wrong, it was more like two generations. Yep, it's just a coincidence
that the south and rural America turned Republican when the Democrats
embraced Civil Rights, no racism there.
The only "new idea" the Democrats have to embrace is that they lose
whenever they try to act like Republicans, so they should stop doing
that. The important thing is to have a spine and take a stand. A
democrat could run on a platform of legalizing gay marriage and win in
the reddest of red states, provided he campaigned by bar fighting.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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24 Dec 2004 12:43:47 PM |
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Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:rubos091up3nscgtkpsrptnfjongp44bdu@4ax.com:
jdege@jdege.visi.com (Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
It's not a change from 51-49 to 49-51 in a single election. It's a
decades' long slide from 70-30 to 60-40 to 51-49 to 49-51 to 48-52.
Corresponding directly to southern (and other) racists switching
parties. And there's never been a 70-30 split in this country.
The Democrats have been steadily losing ground for thirty years. Yes,
right now we're going over the tipping point, with the majority moving
from Democrat to Republican. But the slide has been going on at all
levels, and there's no indication that it's going to stop.
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay bashing
solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans certainly
couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of the media only
gets you so far;
What conservative control of the media? The vast majority of journalists
identify themselves as liberal.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
24 Dec 2004 09:29:47 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C992C0DF146keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103913827.edd20d86886f1fc1f0428df7d96f8b47@bubbanews:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:rubos091up3nscgtkpsrptnfjongp44bdu@4ax.com:
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay bashing
solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans certainly
couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of the media only
gets you so far;
What conservative control of the media?
catch up kid.
We're still waiting for you.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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24 Dec 2004 10:00:23 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103945387.9f9262fe80c9b2616f6c2e588f3edc58@bubbanews:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C992C0DF146keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103913827.edd20d86886f1fc1f0428df7d96f8b47@bubbanews:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:rubos091up3nscgtkpsrptnfjongp44bdu@4ax.com:
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay bashing
solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans certainly
couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of the media only
gets you so far;
What conservative control of the media?
catch up kid.
We're still waiting for you.
kid you keep posting of that mysterious "We're" and than running away when
you're asked to name names.
again, you demonstrate you don't belong here.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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25 Dec 2004 07:05:48 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C9EA096ACB6keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103945387.9f9262fe80c9b2616f6c2e588f3edc58@bubbanews:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C992C0DF146keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103913827.edd20d86886f1fc1f0428df7d96f8b47@bubbanews:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:rubos091up3nscgtkpsrptnfjongp44bdu@4ax.com:
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay
bashing solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans
certainly couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of the
media only gets you so far;
What conservative control of the media?
catch up kid.
We're still waiting for you.
kid you keep posting of that mysterious "We're" and than running away
when you're asked to name names.
again, you demonstrate you don't belong here.
Your lack of understanding of usenet is duly noted.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
25 Dec 2004 08:12:35 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103979948.054be273641fdb6af2bab45771bd9c1f@bubbanews:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C9EA096ACB6keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103945387.9f9262fe80c9b2616f6c2e588f3edc58@bubbanews:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95C992C0DF146keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1103913827.edd20d86886f1fc1f0428df7d96f8b47@bubbanews:
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:rubos091up3nscgtkpsrptnfjongp44bdu@4ax.com:
Except results of the last election. Are war hysteria and gay
bashing solid planks to move forward on? Because Republicans
certainly couldn't run on actual issues. Conservative control of
the media only gets you so far;
What conservative control of the media?
catch up kid.
We're still waiting for you.
kid you keep posting of that mysterious "We're" and than running away
when you're asked to name names.
again, you demonstrate you don't belong here.
Your lack of understanding of usenet is duly noted.
i see that irony is another concept you don't understand, kid.
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| User: "Jeffrey C. Dege" |
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24 Dec 2004 10:14:40 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:38:21 GMT, Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
jdege@jdege.visi.com (Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
It's not a change from 51-49 to 49-51 in a single election. It's a
decades' long slide from 70-30 to 60-40 to 51-49 to 49-51 to 48-52.
Corresponding directly to southern (and other) racists switching
parties.
Sorry, no. The segregationist issue was 1968, and the Democrats'
decline has been accellerating since 1980.
And there's never been a 70-30 split in this country.
1932 and 1964.
The Democrats have been steadily losing ground for thirty years. Yes,
right now we're going over the tipping point, with the majority moving
from Democrat to Republican. But the slide has been going on at all
levels, and there's no indication that it's going to stop.
Except results of the last election.
The one where Kerry discovered that his leftist billionaire friends
couldn't buy him an election?
Are war hysteria and gay bashing
solid planks to move forward on?
The War on Terror is the most critical issue of our time. Resisting the
left's attempt to destroy the foundations of society through the courts
is less so,
Because Republicans certainly
couldn't run on actual issues.
Social Security privatization? Health care reform?
The "Ownership Society" isn't just a slogan.
Conservative control of the media only
gets you so far; eventually the BS can't be covered up anymore.
You mean the "conservative" media that ran stories based on documents
they knew to be forged, in a blatant attempt to swing the election for
the Democrat?
Your refusal to accept the reality of what is going on is your greatest
weakness.
--
As he backed away from Maryann, away from his rope, away from his
intentions to harm her, and, hopefully, away from his image of himself
as a big, bad dude who could have any "fun" he wanted with a woman,
he started muttering, "Bitches with guns. Bitches with guns. Bitches
with guns." He kept saying it over and over, as his own surprise gave
way to impotent anger, "Bitches with guns. Bitches with guns."
- Lyn Bates, "Bitches with Guns: A Lesson in Reality"
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
24 Dec 2004 02:51:46 PM |
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"Jeffrey C. Dege" <jdege@jdege.visi.com> wrote in message news:slrncsog3e.6eu.jdege@jdege.visi.com...
The War on Terror is the most critical issue of our time. Resisting the
left's attempt to destroy the foundations of society through the courts
is less so,
So you're one of the 70% of Americans who've been hoodwinked
into constant fear, by believing a "war" on a human emotion is
somehow winnable, and turning a blind eye while the greatest free
society that ever existed is converted into a totalitarian shithole, all
because of a handful of bozos with box cutters. Yeah, you're a
real patriot alright.
Your other claim is equally absurd. What benefit does any society
accrue by keeping gay people perpetually single by legal mandate?
In every country that has implemented legal recognition for same-sex
unions, society has not collapsed; as a matter of fact the net effect
on society has been conservative.
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
25 Dec 2004 08:18:42 AM |
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(Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
Because Republicans certainly couldn't run on actual issues.
Social Security privatization? Health care reform?
Just two of the issues that Bush and the Republicans avoided
discussing during the campaign. Thanks for pointing that out. Heck,
Bush still hasn't discussed health care reform, and he only made his
push for SS reform after the election. And his party as a whole is
backing away from it, it's such a losing proposition.
The "Ownership Society" isn't just a slogan.
Actually, it is. We the people owned a lot more of the society when
the Democrats held power.
You mean the "conservative" media that ran stories based on documents
they knew to be forged,
Oh dear, we've got a live one here.
1. No one knows if the documents were forged. The best anyone can say
"we don't know". Anyone who says they know for sure is either a dupe
or a liar. We do know, however, that the contents were accurate.
2. Rather didn't know the documents were forged. He's shown a more
integrity than all of his detractors combined, who can't do anything
except parrot the talking heads.
3. Dan Rather is not the media. You did note that every major media
organization here is owned by hard line conservatives, right? They
were on a 23-7 suckupathon for Bush. Reporters are irrelevant, as they
don't decide what gets reported.
Oh wait. The talking heads told you guys to say the media is liberal,
so you're following orders. 'Nuff said. Good little sheep. Your
masters love you. Keep on licking the boot that kicks you.
in a blatant attempt to swing the election for the Democrat?
Well, telling the truth does always seem to have that effect, which is
why conservatives try to stop it at all costs. I mean, even without
those documents, Bush's AWOL status is well documented. Yet for some
reason, our 'liberal' media didn't deem that worth reporting. None of
Bush's lies and crimes were deemed worth reporting, yet the Swift Boat
Liars were given an open platform to make ***** up. Funny how that
liberal media works.
You did know about Bush's AWOL history, right? I guess the talking
heads forgot to tell you about that too. You know, you can get news
from places other than the mainstream media and conservative blogs.
Your refusal to accept the reality of what is going on is your greatest
weakness.
The irony there is priceless. Back under the bed with you, as the
terrorists are no doubt heading for your house RIGHT NOW.
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
25 Dec 2004 08:40:27 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote:
jdege@jdege.visi.com (Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote:
Because Republicans certainly couldn't run on actual issues.
Social Security privatization? Health care reform?
Just two of the issues that Bush and the Republicans avoided
discussing during the campaign. Thanks for pointing that out. Heck,
Bush still hasn't discussed health care reform, and he only made his
push for SS reform after the election. And his party as a whole is
backing away from it, it's such a losing proposition.
Maybe it would help if they called it by its real name, "ideologicification",
rather that "reform".
The "Ownership Society" isn't just a slogan.
Actually, it is. We the people owned a lot more of the society when
the Democrats held power.
Ownership Society = socialize risks, privatize profits
You mean the "conservative" media that ran stories based on documents
they knew to be forged,
Oh dear, we've got a live one here.
1. No one knows if the documents were forged. The best anyone can say
"we don't know". Anyone who says they know for sure is either a dupe
or a liar. We do know, however, that the contents were accurate.
2. Rather didn't know the documents were forged. He's shown a more
integrity than all of his detractors combined, who can't do anything
except parrot the talking heads.
3. Dan Rather is not the media. You did note that every major media
organization here is owned by hard line conservatives, right? They
were on a 23-7 suckupathon for Bush. Reporters are irrelevant, as they
don't decide what gets reported.
4. Look how much time the "liberal" media spent on the Fast Boat Veterans'
tall tales.
5. Look how the "liberal" media portrayed Dean as a kook for a rebel
yell, broadcasting their recording from his microphone rather than the
room mikes that showed the yell to be barely audible over the crowd's
noise.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Jeffrey C. Dege" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
25 Dec 2004 09:05:16 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:40:27 +0000 (UTC), Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
4. Look how much time the "liberal" media spent on the Fast Boat Veterans'
tall tales.
No time at all, for months after the SBVTs first press announcement.
No time at all, for weeks after the release of the first ad.
So long as the Kerry campaign's strategy for dealing with the SBVTs was
to ignore them, the major media ignored the issue entirely.
It was only after the Kerry campaign determined that the issue was gaining
sufficient attention on the internet and on talk radio, and decided to
confront the SBVTs directly that the major media began covering the issue.
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How can you rightfully ask another human being to risk his life to protect
yours, when you will assume no responsibility yourself? Because that
is his job and we pay him to do it? Because your life is of incalculable
value, but his is only worth the $30,000 salary we pay him? If you believe
it reprehensible to possess the means and will to use lethal force to
repel a criminal assault, how can you call upon another to do so for you?
- Jeff Snyder, "Nation of Cowards"
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| User: "Jeffrey C. Dege" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 02:21:45 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:30:59 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
Nonsense.
It's ideas, not demographics, that are killing the Democrat Party.
Or more precisely, their inability to give up on failed ideologies.
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Have you noticed how these enviros have become alarmed by the
proliferation of large carnivores in the boonies? I saw one remark to
the effect that bears, for example, do not seem to know their place on
the "food chain." Why should they? Only man comes up with ideas like
a food chain, and with man the idea only makes sense because man is
armed. Without his weapons, man is by no means at the top of any food
chain. On the contrary, he is down in fourth or fifth spot, depending
upon the environment in which he lives. Primitive man was under no
illusions about this, nor are the backwoods folk in India today. To a
tiger, man is a morsel, as these unarmed joggers seem to be to a cougar,
upon occasion. Man is man because he is always armed. That is something
they do not teach in kindergarten, nor for that matter in high school. A
youth becomes a man when he is first presented with his own personal
weapon. That is his right of passage, and those who do not understand
that are questionable members of a free society.
- Jeff Cooper
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 10:11:22 PM |
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Jeffrey C. Dege <jdege@visi.com.nospam> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:30:59 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The long-term population trends look ghastly for the remnants of the
Democratic Party.
Nonsense.
It's ideas, not demographics, that are killing the Democrat Party.
It's Republican lies.
Or more precisely, their inability to give up on failed ideologies.
Like spending the country into ruin? No, that's a Republican idea.
Like bigger government? No, that's a Republican idea.
Like more money for the rich? No, that's a Republican idea.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 11:51:22 AM |
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You mean like New York and California? Heh.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 12:27:10 PM |
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Sir, California has 58 counties, and less than a dozen voted Kerry.
Those counties, natch, were heavily urbanized counties with large black
populations. Take them out of the equation and Kerry may have lost
California and perhaps New York as well. In southern California,
Hispanics are rapidly transplanting blacks, both with respect to birth
rates and geographically. They do not vote in the same patterns as
blacks do, which is to say over 90% democrat. It's this which puts the
democrats over the top in many elections, and once that is nullified
it's really over for the dims.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Demographics spell extinction for Democratic Party |
23 Dec 2004 10:10:17 PM |
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<Vunder_Woman@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sir, California has 58 counties, and less than a dozen voted Kerry.
Idiot, counties don't vote at all. People do, and the majoroty of
Californians are Democrats. Barbara Boxer, a LIBERAL Democrat, got
more votes in the last election than anybody else except for Kerry and
bush.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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