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13 Feb 2004 01:19:32 AM |
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Demonic activity hotspot! |
Italian villagers call for exorcist to end 'demon' fires
JEREMY CHARLES IN ROME
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
Fridges, cookers, televisions, washing machines, mobile telephones and
furniture have burst into flame for no apparent reason at a dozen
houses in the Sicilian village of Canneto di Caronia near Messina.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
"Already people are blaming the events on evil spirits and I am being
asked to get the local priest to perform an exorcism."
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Last night more than 100 engineers were in the village and geologists
were also due to carry out underground surveys.
Nino Pezzino, 42, one of 39 villagers evacuated yesterday, said:
"Twelve of our houses are uninhabitable. Fortunately, for the time
being, the only damage has been to houses and no-one has been hurt,
but you can sense the growing fear.
"How can anyone live in a house where any minute something can catch
fire for no apparent reason?"
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
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Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
Luke 9:48-50 (NLT)
49 John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast
out demons. We tried to stop him because he isn't in our group."
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Philippians 2:9-11 (NRSV)
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "watcher" |
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13 Feb 2004 10:11:32 AM |
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"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402122319.2de7a649@posting.google.com...
Italian villagers call for exorcist to end 'demon' fires
JEREMY CHARLES IN ROME
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
Fridges, cookers, televisions, washing machines, mobile telephones and
furniture have burst into flame for no apparent reason at a dozen
houses in the Sicilian village of Canneto di Caronia near Messina.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
"Already people are blaming the events on evil spirits and I am being
asked to get the local priest to perform an exorcism."
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Last night more than 100 engineers were in the village and geologists
were also due to carry out underground surveys.
Nino Pezzino, 42, one of 39 villagers evacuated yesterday, said:
"Twelve of our houses are uninhabitable. Fortunately, for the time
being, the only damage has been to houses and no-one has been hurt,
but you can sense the growing fear.
"How can anyone live in a house where any minute something can catch
fire for no apparent reason?"
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
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Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
Luke 9:48-50 (NLT)
49 John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast
out demons. We tried to stop him because he isn't in our group."
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Philippians 2:9-11 (NRSV)
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
A change in the earths magnetic field polarity can also account for an
amplification of the effects of magnetism on appliances. Similar to a hole
in the ozone where it is weak or non-existant there is more radiation. In
this case it's the magnetic field. We may be in the very early process in
the changing of the earth's magnetic poles. {or for others HAARP gone bad }
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| User: "Uncle Vanya Geronimo" |
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17 Feb 2004 07:17:25 PM |
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If god cloned himself/herself, by will or accidentally, can we still
practice monotheism?
Vanya
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http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
WNYC-FM clones kill a man's wife -- she was 60 and he was only 45,
and maybe he had just returned from Iraq 'on the "front"' and was
Waco, but hey ...
http://www.uky.edu/KGS/coal/webgeoky/kygeolgy.htm
maps of underground schisms in Kentucky going to the Society of the
Cincinnati
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj072301.html
Fort Greely HAARPs
http://www.cndyorks.gn.apc.org/yspace/articles/bmd/guardsmen_ready.htm
Main contractors include Boeing and Fluor as mandated by GW Bush
Even THE WASHINGTON TIMES knows it:
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040122-091142-6690r.htm
tonie_blair@hotmail.com (Tony Blair the Mohair) wrote in message news:<e86dbe07.0402171113.189aea3f@posting.google.com>...
Not only does Fort Campbell, KY have a long history with HAARP weapons
and/or radar facilities and remote viewing, but so does Fort Greely,
ALASKA, which just got all it ever prayed for in top of the funding
weapons systems and tax dollars and microwave gizmos from the Bush
Administration, as our citizens collapse from seeking part time jobs
and food.
Read today's Washington Times for details!! Fort Greely is
a long walk or a short ride down the road from Gakona, ALASKA, the big
boy HAARP HQ. Many big mammas are springing up globally and being put
to use. Use google to find out more on HAARP and where your denied
unemployment benefits extension has gone to waste.
http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
brian_lehrer@hotmail.com (Brian Lehrer) wrote in message news:<8d20d0e0.0402151655.WNYC--FM
Which is more threatening? The current advanced android undercover
humans or the advanced clones who have stolen human identities? Or
the Bush Administration??
http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
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| User: "ken finian" |
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| Title: Re: HAARP chrono #2027 -- Clones |
18 Feb 2004 07:16:15 AM |
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God is neither a man nor a woman and if cloned we can still practice
Monotheism, for THEY [all of God's clones] are almighty.
ken
vanya_geronimo@yahoo.com (Uncle Vanya Geronimo) wrote in message news:<eba2aa9f.0402171717.6f747006@posting.google.com>...
If god cloned himself/herself, by will or accidentally, can we still
practice monotheism?
Vanya
========================================
http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
WNYC-FM clones kill a man's wife -- she was 60 and he was only 45,
and maybe he had just returned from Iraq 'on the "front"' and was
Waco, but hey ...
http://www.uky.edu/KGS/coal/webgeoky/kygeolgy.htm
maps of underground schisms in Kentucky going to the Society of the
Cincinnati
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj072301.html
Fort Greely HAARPs
http://www.cndyorks.gn.apc.org/yspace/articles/bmd/guardsmen_ready.htm
Main contractors include Boeing and Fluor as mandated by GW Bush
Even THE WASHINGTON TIMES knows it:
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040122-091142-6690r.htm
tonie_blair@hotmail.com (Tony Blair the Mohair) wrote in message news:<e86dbe07.0402171113.189aea3f@posting.google.com>...
Not only does Fort Campbell, KY have a long history with HAARP weapons
and/or radar facilities and remote viewing, but so does Fort Greely,
ALASKA, which just got all it ever prayed for in top of the funding
weapons systems and tax dollars and microwave gizmos from the Bush
Administration, as our citizens collapse from seeking part time jobs
and food.
Read today's Washington Times for details!! Fort Greely is
a long walk or a short ride down the road from Gakona, ALASKA, the big
boy HAARP HQ. Many big mammas are springing up globally and being put
to use. Use google to find out more on HAARP and where your denied
unemployment benefits extension has gone to waste.
http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
brian_lehrer@hotmail.com (Brian Lehrer) wrote in message news:<8d20d0e0.0402151655.WNYC--FM
Which is more threatening? The current advanced android undercover
humans or the advanced clones who have stolen human identities? Or
the Bush Administration??
http://carpathian_bronze.tripod.com/clones.html
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic activity hotspot! |
13 Feb 2004 04:25:18 AM |
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(martus) wrote:
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
A strange series of events, to be sure. The cause is currently unknown.
But theories abound. And, in such a religious area, which theory is
currently being given all the attention?
Demons.
Yes, demons - after centuries of inactivity - have decided to make their
presence felt again, and have selected Canneto as the most suitable spot
to launch their campaign. Not Vatican City. Not Rome itself. Not any
target that would have any particular political or spiritual significance
- just a village in Sicily that most European residents would probably
have trouble pointing to on a map.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
And delighting their local priest, who was quick to jump on that
particular bandwagon. He must have thought all his Christmases had come
at once.
"I've seen things like this before," an exorcist is quoted as saying.
"Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
In other words the exorcists have had little to do lately and are very
glad of the business.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
Good man. A sensible approach, showing concern for his residents.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
The sense, though, was short-lived. Nothing catches fire 'for no reason'.
It is simply that no-one knows yet what the reason is.
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Suggesting, of course, that it was not the cause. It is a huge leap of
'logic' (if such a word is appropriate here) to go from "electricity is
not the cause" to "demons are".
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Of course it is. Very normal. As we all know, a dishwasher featured in a
central role in William Blatty's famous novel.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------- Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
I presume you will be on the first flight to Sicily, then?
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Ah, now this IS interesting. An intriguing variant on "anyone who is not
for you is against you".
--
Midwinter
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| User: "pk" |
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13 Feb 2004 06:01:05 PM |
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Midwinter : non esistono pił le mezze stagioni
how smarty and ponderate answer.
I presume you have an alt explanation for what's going on here in Italy.
Tell us and light us with your sublime theory of the millennium. You mock
the demons exp. so tell us your weltanschaung, master. try to put in one
word. because there are so many -ist trying to make clear simple things
building a wonderful castle of nothingword.
show us your eureka mezzoinverno
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> ha scritto nel
messaggio news:Xns948E6A46C1EEFsolstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
A strange series of events, to be sure. The cause is currently unknown.
But theories abound. And, in such a religious area, which theory is
currently being given all the attention?
Demons.
Yes, demons - after centuries of inactivity - have decided to make their
presence felt again, and have selected Canneto as the most suitable spot
to launch their campaign. Not Vatican City. Not Rome itself. Not any
target that would have any particular political or spiritual significance
- just a village in Sicily that most European residents would probably
have trouble pointing to on a map.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
And delighting their local priest, who was quick to jump on that
particular bandwagon. He must have thought all his Christmases had come
at once.
"I've seen things like this before," an exorcist is quoted as saying.
"Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
In other words the exorcists have had little to do lately and are very
glad of the business.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
Good man. A sensible approach, showing concern for his residents.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
The sense, though, was short-lived. Nothing catches fire 'for no reason'.
It is simply that no-one knows yet what the reason is.
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Suggesting, of course, that it was not the cause. It is a huge leap of
'logic' (if such a word is appropriate here) to go from "electricity is
not the cause" to "demons are".
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Of course it is. Very normal. As we all know, a dishwasher featured in a
central role in William Blatty's famous novel.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------- Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
I presume you will be on the first flight to Sicily, then?
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Ah, now this IS interesting. An intriguing variant on "anyone who is not
for you is against you".
--
Midwinter
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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13 Feb 2004 07:54:56 PM |
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"pk" <pikaciu2004@tiscali.it> wrote:
Midwinter : non esistono pił le mezze stagioni
how smarty and ponderate answer.
I presume you have an alt explanation for what's going on here in
Italy. Tell us and light us with your sublime theory of the
millennium. You mock the demons exp. so tell us your weltanschaung,
master. try to put in one word. because there are so many -ist trying
to make clear simple things building a wonderful castle of
nothingword. show us your eureka mezzoinverno
I take it then that you tend to subscribe to the demon theory yourself?
No, you are right in one respect: I have no explanation for the events in
Canneto. Which means - apparently - that it MUST be down to demons, is
that basically your position?
In times gone by the Church was quick to leap on anything that people did
not understand and attribute it to demons. That is what is happening now.
Several people have been quoted as saying that these items have ignited
'for no reason'. That is clearly not the case. There IS a reason, but
quite what it is is not yet known. Those who wish to believe it is
demonic interference will of course do so, and will no doubt continue to
do so even after the real cause is discovered.
So yes, I 'mock' the demons explanation - if by 'mock' you mean 'reject'.
If for no other reason than that I would expect any demon worth its wings
to have more about it than this. I do not imagine God created them to sit
around setting fire to vacuum cleaners - they have a job to do.
But still it is a fascinating incident, and I will be most interested to
learn what the real explanation is, should it be discovered. And if it is
not satisfactorily explained, I would point out that the mere lack of a
rational explanation does not compel me to accept irrational ones.
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Midwinter
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| User: "pk" |
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14 Feb 2004 04:27:20 AM |
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I really appreciate your analysis. But can't you revert the question? wasn't
simple to disect reality in good and evil?
What is rational? Do you think that psychologists and all this gizmo of
highest scientist naming possession depression and trying to write tomes
about something that however nobody understand can put us on a solid
foundation? Einstein said either all is a miracle or nothing is. Do you
think with all this boasting cleverness we have arrived to some safe harbor?
I don't know if you believe these are humanity's last days; here it's not a
matter of faith, just read the signs behind the matrix of reality they wanna
us in.
Higher the monkey climbs the more she shows her *****.
If you look at this world beyond their deceptive honey glasses you see just
failure; just as in Matrix: the equation was free to express itself and so
the result is unbalance
shalom
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> ha scritto nel
messaggio news:Xns948F13C1CDC8Csolstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"pk" <pikaciu2004@tiscali.it> wrote:
Midwinter : non esistono pił le mezze stagioni
how smarty and ponderate answer.
I presume you have an alt explanation for what's going on here in
Italy. Tell us and light us with your sublime theory of the
millennium. You mock the demons exp. so tell us your weltanschaung,
master. try to put in one word. because there are so many -ist trying
to make clear simple things building a wonderful castle of
nothingword. show us your eureka mezzoinverno
I take it then that you tend to subscribe to the demon theory yourself?
No, you are right in one respect: I have no explanation for the events in
Canneto. Which means - apparently - that it MUST be down to demons, is
that basically your position?
In times gone by the Church was quick to leap on anything that people did
not understand and attribute it to demons. That is what is happening now.
Several people have been quoted as saying that these items have ignited
'for no reason'. That is clearly not the case. There IS a reason, but
quite what it is is not yet known. Those who wish to believe it is
demonic interference will of course do so, and will no doubt continue to
do so even after the real cause is discovered.
So yes, I 'mock' the demons explanation - if by 'mock' you mean 'reject'.
If for no other reason than that I would expect any demon worth its wings
to have more about it than this. I do not imagine God created them to sit
around setting fire to vacuum cleaners - they have a job to do.
But still it is a fascinating incident, and I will be most interested to
learn what the real explanation is, should it be discovered. And if it is
not satisfactorily explained, I would point out that the mere lack of a
rational explanation does not compel me to accept irrational ones.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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14 Feb 2004 08:40:43 AM |
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I will try to answer your questions as I understand them. If I
misinterpret anything please let me know.
"pk" <apoc2003@libero.it> wrote:
What is rational? Do you think that psychologists and all this gizmo
of highest scientist naming possession depression and trying to write
tomes about something that however nobody understand can put us on a
solid foundation?
I think you are asking if I believe that psychology is rational based on
the fact that very few people actually understand it. That is a good
question. In fact, I did study psychology for a while and became rather
disillusioned since a lot of it at the basic level seems to be little more
than opinion.
I suppose I would have to say that, in my mind at least, the difference
between psychology and the concept of demonic interference is that the
brain is a very complex thing and complex things go wrong. That is a
truth based on day-to-day experience. But, although the cause of the
illness might be a fault in a complex mechanism, the idea of a complex
thing going wrong is itself a simple explanation. To introduce demonic
activity as an explanation requires a far more complicated explanation,
because it requires first of all an acceptance of the idea of demons,
which of course leads to a requirement for the acceptance of God, then an
acceptance of a universal good and evil... And that is all before we
start having to find reasons as to 'why that demon', 'why that victim',
'why here', 'why now', 'what was it trying to achieve', and so on.
These questions become irrelevant if we simply accept that sometimes
things go awry in the brain. Besides, it is easy to say that people who
deal with the brain 'do not understand', but it is not completely
accurate. These people are constantly improving their knowledge through
observation and experimentation, and in fact have quite a complex map of
the brain laid out that identifies many of the parts responsible for
specific responses. It is all beyond me, I freely admit, but the
knowledge is there, and it being expanded.
Einstein said either all is a miracle or nothing is.
Well, since Einstein left the matter open, I do not feel unjustified in
stating my position, which is that I do not believe in miracles.
Do you think with all this boasting cleverness we have arrived to some
safe harbor?
Of course not. We are always just setting out. But we are in a far
better position than we were in, say, a hundred, or five hundred years
ago. And, with a little optimism, we might assume that our position in
another five hundred years will be better still.
I don't know if you believe these are humanity's last days
I certainly do not. Charitably, I believe there is no evidence of this,
given that prophets and the faithful have been confidently announcing the
last days for the last two thousand years. Uncharitably, I believe that
the notion of the 'last days' is simply a way of shirking responsibility
for the future. It enables believers to wash their hands of problems in
the here and now because there is no point trying to solve them. If
humanity in its entirety simply wanted to sit around gazing at the sky
with its mouth open waiting for the world to end then nothing would ever
get done, nothing would improve.
I am afraid I did not understand your references to The Matrix.
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Midwinter
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| User: "John W" |
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16 Feb 2004 05:52:14 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
I will try to answer your questions as I understand them. If I
misinterpret anything please let me know.
"pk" <apoc2003@libero.it> wrote:
What is rational? Do you think that psychologists and all this gizmo
of highest scientist naming possession depression and trying to write
tomes about something that however nobody understand can put us on a
solid foundation?
I think you are asking if I believe that psychology is rational based on
the fact that very few people actually understand it. That is a good
question. In fact, I did study psychology for a while and became rather
disillusioned since a lot of it at the basic level seems to be little more
than opinion.
I suppose I would have to say that, in my mind at least, the difference
between psychology and the concept of demonic interference is that the
brain is a very complex thing and complex things go wrong. That is a
truth based on day-to-day experience. But, although the cause of the
illness might be a fault in a complex mechanism, the idea of a complex
thing going wrong is itself a simple explanation. To introduce demonic
activity as an explanation requires a far more complicated explanation,
because it requires first of all an acceptance of the idea of demons,
which of course leads to a requirement for the acceptance of God, then an
acceptance of a universal good and evil... And that is all before we
start having to find reasons as to 'why that demon', 'why that victim',
'why here', 'why now', 'what was it trying to achieve', and so on.
Then what you are suggesting is belief in something "else", since that
"else" is preferable to some over the truth.
These questions become irrelevant if we simply accept that sometimes
things go awry in the brain.
However, there ARE SEVERAL CRUCIAL differences between demon
possession and mental illnesses.
Mental illness is from an internal source. Demon possession is
external.
Mental illness can take YEARS to "cure" if a cure is ever achieved.
Demon possession can be cured in minutes or even hours.
Besides, it is easy to say that people who
deal with the brain 'do not understand', but it is not completely
accurate. These people are constantly improving their knowledge through
observation and experimentation, and in fact have quite a complex map of
the brain laid out that identifies many of the parts responsible for
specific responses. It is all beyond me, I freely admit, but the
knowledge is there, and it being expanded.
All the book study there is will not being an Atheist to believe in
God and Satan and demons.
Einstein said either all is a miracle or nothing is.
Well, since Einstein left the matter open, I do not feel unjustified in
stating my position, which is that I do not believe in miracles.
It would be difficult to believe in miracles, even those you saw or
experienced, if you do not believe in the God who does miracles.
Since I DO believe in miracles, I have experienced many and I have
family and friends who have as well.
IOW, a believer can accept that something that just happened was
supernatural/a "miracle." A NON-believer will drive himself crazy to
explain away the miracle, and then claim he's never seen one.
Do you think with all this boasting cleverness we have arrived to some
safe harbor?
Of course not. We are always just setting out. But we are in a far
better position than we were in, say, a hundred, or five hundred years
ago. And, with a little optimism, we might assume that our position in
another five hundred years will be better still.
Our world stands poised at the brink, the razor edge of nuclear
annihilation, and you believe we're "getting better every day!"
I don't know if you believe these are humanity's last days
I certainly do not. Charitably, I believe there is no evidence of this,
given that prophets and the faithful have been confidently announcing the
last days for the last two thousand years.
That is because Jesus heralded His arrival as the beginning of "The
Last Days", and we continue to see signs you overlook that remind us
that we CONTINUE to be in the last days.
Uncharitably, I believe that
the notion of the 'last days' is simply a way of shirking responsibility
for the future. It enables believers to wash their hands of problems in
the here and now because there is no point trying to solve them.
We are to "be good stewards" of what we were left, including the
earth and everything upon it. We are to fix what we can, maintain what
we can, use what we need, and leave some for the next guy. We are NOT
to shrug our shoulders in the midst of diversity "I can do all things
through Him who strengthens me..."
We ARE to know when a solution or an answer is beyond our human grasp,
and we must leave it to God.
If you are going to tell us all what Christians truly believe, get it
right!
If
humanity in its entirety simply wanted to sit around gazing at the sky
with its mouth open waiting for the world to end then nothing would ever
get done, nothing would improve.
And your reference to the above remark as representative of
Christianity is a demonic lie.
John W
I am afraid I did not understand your references to The Matrix.
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On 16 Feb 2004 23:52:14 GMT, John W in a burst of verbal diarrhea left the
following skid marks on the out house wall, missing his honey bucket
entirely.
Follow ups set to trolls home group, arcb.
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
I will try to answer your questions as I understand them. If I
misinterpret anything please let me know.
"pk" <apoc2003@libero.it> wrote:
What is rational? Do you think that psychologists and all this gizmo
of highest scientist naming possession depression and trying to write
tomes about something that however nobody understand can put us on a
solid foundation?
I think you are asking if I believe that psychology is rational based on
the fact that very few people actually understand it. That is a good
question. In fact, I did study psychology for a while and became rather
disillusioned since a lot of it at the basic level seems to be little more
than opinion.
I suppose I would have to say that, in my mind at least, the difference
between psychology and the concept of demonic interference is that the
brain is a very complex thing and complex things go wrong. That is a
truth based on day-to-day experience. But, although the cause of the
illness might be a fault in a complex mechanism, the idea of a complex
thing going wrong is itself a simple explanation. To introduce demonic
activity as an explanation requires a far more complicated explanation,
because it requires first of all an acceptance of the idea of demons,
which of course leads to a requirement for the acceptance of God, then an
acceptance of a universal good and evil... And that is all before we
start having to find reasons as to 'why that demon', 'why that victim',
'why here', 'why now', 'what was it trying to achieve', and so on.
Then what you are suggesting is belief in something "else", since that
Where was that done, having reading comprehension still, or deciding you
know what Midwinter meant.
There is no complication required once understands the old standby,
Murphy's Law. It applies to organic devices as well as mechanical.
"else" is preferable to some over the truth.
If you have the truth, an oddity would be noticed. You would have something
you have never had before, evidence. As usual, all you have is the
assertion you know more than anyone else, & therefore it must be as you
claim. You lack the knowledge of the human mind needed to even consider
making the assertions you do.
These questions become irrelevant if we simply accept that sometimes
things go awry in the brain.
However, there ARE SEVERAL CRUCIAL differences between demon
Rally, for starters we know mental aberrations exist, as you are a case in
point.
possession and mental illnesses.
Now as to demons, well, if you say so. In your case you may have demons,
but they are self induced as is obvious from reading your effluent.
Mental illness is from an internal source. Demon possession is
external.
So you claim, yet, external sources can be identified if the interact with
material things. So your evidence is that because you say so demons must
exist.
Course, you may have some validity for the claim as you act as if you are
possessed, or are, Jezebeth, the demon of lies.
Don't think so, check google.
Mental illness can take YEARS to "cure" if a cure is ever achieved.
Especially i it is faked.
Demon possession can be cured in minutes or even hours.
Appaently not, an observation based on observing you.
Besides, it is easy to say that people who
deal with the brain 'do not understand', but it is not completely
accurate. These people are constantly improving their knowledge through
observation and experimentation, and in fact have quite a complex map of
the brain laid out that identifies many of the parts responsible for
specific responses. It is all beyond me, I freely admit, but the
knowledge is there, and it being expanded.
All the book study there is will not being an Atheist to believe in
God and Satan and demons.
It would if the books were based on evidence instead of gull ability of the
authors.
Einstein said either all is a miracle or nothing is.
Well, since Einstein left the matter open, I do not feel unjustified in
stating my position, which is that I do not believe in miracles.
It would be difficult to believe in miracles, even those you saw or
experienced, if you do not believe in the God who does miracles.
Not really, all any miracle is, is simply something supernatural. Any
supernatural act is by definition a miracle. But then, whether you can
accept that or not is moot.
A question, is the miracle the oily road that caused the school bus wreck
that killed & maimed 75 children, or is the miracle the one child that was
unscathed??
Everyone already knows your guess.
Since I DO believe in miracles, I have experienced many and I have
family and friends who have as well.
Not really, what you have done is rather common, called selective memory.
But then, no one expects you to be able to comprehend that, it would
require you to study, a skill you apparently lack.
IOW, a believer can accept that something that just happened was
Indeed, & that is what they have to do.
supernatural/a "miracle." A NON-believer will drive himself crazy to
explain away the miracle, and then claim he's never seen one.
If you say so, got evidence or just going for the self aggrandizement route
again, pretending you have knowledge you obviously lack.
Do you think with all this boasting cleverness we have arrived to some
safe harbor?
Of course not. We are always just setting out. But we are in a far
better position than we were in, say, a hundred, or five hundred years
ago. And, with a little optimism, we might assume that our position in
another five hundred years will be better still.
Our world stands poised at the brink, the razor edge of nuclear
annihilation, and you believe we're "getting better every day!"
No, our world is in danger of religiously sponsored nuclear holocaust, but
yes, it is losing some of that fanatic control, & therefore is getting
better.
Like your prediction of nuclear disaster, being you accept it as the will
of your pantheon, you won't get off your ***** & try to help prevent it.
Fortunately, many xians are not like you & are in opposition to the wrolds
bully's.
I don't know if you believe these are humanity's last days
I certainly do not. Charitably, I believe there is no evidence of this,
given that prophets and the faithful have been confidently announcing the
last days for the last two thousand years.
That is because Jesus heralded His arrival as the beginning of "The
No he didn't, nor did he claim that.
When was the first *End of the world* Claimed?? There is a known date for
it you know, or do you.
Last Days", and we continue to see signs you overlook that remind us
that we CONTINUE to be in the last days.
No, but you claim to see signs, like Joel 2, the prediction that failed but
according to your implication, you saw it personally.
But that is no different than your going off to war, you didn't do that
either.
Uncharitably, I believe that
the notion of the 'last days' is simply a way of shirking responsibility
for the future. It enables believers to wash their hands of problems in
the here and now because there is no point trying to solve them.
We are to "be good stewards" of what we were left, including the
earth and everything upon it. We are to fix what we can, maintain what
So instead of conserving it for the future generations you [as a group
whose mentality is not one of responsible stewardship] the Americas were &
are continuing to be raped & destroyed for the almighty US dollar. Yours is
an extremly weird definition of responsible stewardship.
we can, use what we need, and leave some for the next guy. We are NOT
to shrug our shoulders in the midst of diversity "I can do all things
through Him who strengthens me..."
Except tell the truth with regularity, provide evidence for your fears, or
interact with people to the benefit of all.
We ARE to know when a solution or an answer is beyond our human grasp,
and we must leave it to God.
IOW, when we [meaning those like you] screw th pooch, we are to hit our
knees & quit looking for a responsible response to the mess we made.
Gutless indeed.
If you are going to tell us all what Christians truly believe, get it
right!
In your case, I doubt you can say what you believe in a coherent manner.
You certainly can't provide evidence, just claims.
But then, that is all you ever do.
If
humanity in its entirety simply wanted to sit around gazing at the sky
with its mouth open waiting for the world to end then nothing would ever
get done, nothing would improve.
And your reference to the above remark as representative of
Christianity is a demonic lie.
Based on the results of xianity, its genocides & flat out theft of lands
belonging to others, where is the error. Xians are not noted for getting
off their collective ***** & tending to problems generated by other xians,
such as yourself.
John W
Which one today, the pompous as that pretends to understand what i is
claiming?? Seems fair.
walksalone who noes that as usual, john w claims to knowledge exceed his
ability to provide evidence.
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you have a beautiful mind Midwinter. We may discuss a lot about the first
question. But I urge you on the last. It's not true that it would take to
push aside our responsibilities. Where is God nowadays? In the Church? In
the sleeping words of priests who hide hundreds of messages by Jesus. a
world without God is heading towards annihilation (words by John Paul II)
Priests are not talking of Jesus. Because the main logo from Jesus was: this
is not My Kingdom. This world is a fake. This world is Matrix (deception) If
you haven't seen it take it. the first one is a mind sizzling movie
it's 1999. from that year I realized that there is something weird about
"reality" I searched and searched.
the messages spread all over the words are not a fake for uneducated peasant
Iwas in Medjugorje Garabandal and so many other place the messages are real.
Not their hiding. Do you think that Vatican pass out the real 3rd secret of
Fatima? Power is deceiving.
tobecont
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> ha scritto nel
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I will try to answer your questions as I understand them. If I
misinterpret anything please let me know.
"pk" <apoc2003@libero.it> wrote:
What is rational? Do you think that psychologists and all this gizmo
of highest scientist naming possession depression and trying to write
tomes about something that however nobody understand can put us on a
solid foundation?
I think you are asking if I believe that psychology is rational based on
the fact that very few people actually understand it. That is a good
question. In fact, I did study psychology for a while and became rather
disillusioned since a lot of it at the basic level seems to be little more
than opinion.
I suppose I would have to say that, in my mind at least, the difference
between psychology and the concept of demonic interference is that the
brain is a very complex thing and complex things go wrong. That is a
truth based on day-to-day experience. But, although the cause of the
illness might be a fault in a complex mechanism, the idea of a complex
thing going wrong is itself a simple explanation. To introduce demonic
activity as an explanation requires a far more complicated explanation,
because it requires first of all an acceptance of the idea of demons,
which of course leads to a requirement for the acceptance of God, then an
acceptance of a universal good and evil... And that is all before we
start having to find reasons as to 'why that demon', 'why that victim',
'why here', 'why now', 'what was it trying to achieve', and so on.
These questions become irrelevant if we simply accept that sometimes
things go awry in the brain. Besides, it is easy to say that people who
deal with the brain 'do not understand', but it is not completely
accurate. These people are constantly improving their knowledge through
observation and experimentation, and in fact have quite a complex map of
the brain laid out that identifies many of the parts responsible for
specific responses. It is all beyond me, I freely admit, but the
knowledge is there, and it being expanded.
Einstein said either all is a miracle or nothing is.
Well, since Einstein left the matter open, I do not feel unjustified in
stating my position, which is that I do not believe in miracles.
Do you think with all this boasting cleverness we have arrived to some
safe harbor?
Of course not. We are always just setting out. But we are in a far
better position than we were in, say, a hundred, or five hundred years
ago. And, with a little optimism, we might assume that our position in
another five hundred years will be better still.
I don't know if you believe these are humanity's last days
I certainly do not. Charitably, I believe there is no evidence of this,
given that prophets and the faithful have been confidently announcing the
last days for the last two thousand years. Uncharitably, I believe that
the notion of the 'last days' is simply a way of shirking responsibility
for the future. It enables believers to wash their hands of problems in
the here and now because there is no point trying to solve them. If
humanity in its entirety simply wanted to sit around gazing at the sky
with its mouth open waiting for the world to end then nothing would ever
get done, nothing would improve.
I am afraid I did not understand your references to The Matrix.
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Midwinter
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Midwinter : non esistono pił le mezze stagioni
how smarty and ponderate answer.
I presume you have an alt explanation for what's going on here in Italy.
Tell us and light us with your sublime theory of the millennium. You mock
the demons exp. so tell us your weltanschaung, master. try to put in one
word. because there are so many -ist trying to make clear simple things
building a wonderful castle of nothingword.
show us your eureka mezzoinverno
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marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
A strange series of events, to be sure. The cause is currently unknown.
But theories abound. And, in such a religious area, which theory is
currently being given all the attention?
Demons.
Yes, demons - after centuries of inactivity - have decided to make their
presence felt again, and have selected Canneto as the most suitable spot
to launch their campaign. Not Vatican City. Not Rome itself. Not any
target that would have any particular political or spiritual significance
- just a village in Sicily that most European residents would probably
have trouble pointing to on a map.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
And delighting their local priest, who was quick to jump on that
particular bandwagon. He must have thought all his Christmases had come
at once.
"I've seen things like this before," an exorcist is quoted as saying.
"Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
In other words the exorcists have had little to do lately and are very
glad of the business.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
Good man. A sensible approach, showing concern for his residents.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
The sense, though, was short-lived. Nothing catches fire 'for no reason'.
It is simply that no-one knows yet what the reason is.
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Suggesting, of course, that it was not the cause. It is a huge leap of
'logic' (if such a word is appropriate here) to go from "electricity is
not the cause" to "demons are".
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Of course it is. Very normal. As we all know, a dishwasher featured in a
central role in William Blatty's famous novel.
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----------- Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
I presume you will be on the first flight to Sicily, then?
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Ah, now this IS interesting. An intriguing variant on "anyone who is not
for you is against you".
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
A strange series of events, to be sure. The cause is currently unknown.
But theories abound. And, in such a religious area, which theory is
currently being given all the attention?
Demons.
Yes, demons - after centuries of inactivity - have decided to make their
presence felt again,
Who has made the completely ridiculous comment that demonic activity
has been silent for 2 millenniums?
and have selected Canneto as the most suitable spot
to launch their campaign. Not Vatican City. Not Rome itself. Not any
target that would have any particular political or spiritual significance
- just a village in Sicily that most European residents would probably
have trouble pointing to on a map.
And if you truly want to see demonic activity, I am betting that if
you did a REAL search for "demonic deliverance", you'll eventually
find real tape on it.
You'll know it's real because it's activity that is humanly
impossible, such as bodies being picked up and thrown 20 feet through
the air. Men talking with soprano voices "in trance", baritones when
normal. That kind of stuff. And if it's a better tape, it will look
like one Hollywood put together with AMAZING special effects.
I've seen clips from SEVERAL deliverance. They're out there. Contact
the 700 Club. I bet Pat Robertson has tape you could watch for the
right price.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
Sounds like a distinct possibility. But I wouldn't jump on that too
quickly.
And delighting their local priest, who was quick to jump on that
particular bandwagon. He must have thought all his Christmases had come
at once.
"I've seen things like this before," an exorcist is quoted as saying.
"Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
In other words the exorcists have had little to do lately and are very
glad of the business.
When you can cast out demons, you have earned the right to laugh at we
who can.
John W
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
Good man. A sensible approach, showing concern for his residents.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
The sense, though, was short-lived. Nothing catches fire 'for no reason'.
It is simply that no-one knows yet what the reason is.
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Suggesting, of course, that it was not the cause. It is a huge leap of
'logic' (if such a word is appropriate here) to go from "electricity is
not the cause" to "demons are".
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Of course it is. Very normal. As we all know, a dishwasher featured in a
central role in William Blatty's famous novel.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------- Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
I presume you will be on the first flight to Sicily, then?
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Ah, now this IS interesting. An intriguing variant on "anyone who is not
for you is against you".
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20 Feb 2004 12:15:49 AM |
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In article <nvk230popj1og98pokkd11ethqim64r1vh@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if you truly want to see demonic activity, I am betting that if
you did a REAL search for "demonic deliverance", you'll eventually
find real tape on it.
So you haven't got a SHRED of evidence you IDIOT - It is ALL superstitious
lies and psychotic delusion
You'll know it's real because it's activity that is humanly
impossible, such as bodies being picked up and thrown 20 feet through
the air. Men talking with soprano voices "in trance", baritones when
normal. That kind of stuff. And if it's a better tape, it will look
like one Hollywood put together with AMAZING special effects.
MORE LIES
I've seen clips from SEVERAL deliverance. They're out there. Contact
the 700 Club. I bet Pat Robertson has tape you could watch for the
right price.
WERE YOU ON OR OFF YOUR MEDICATION AT THE TIME?
When you can cast out demons, you have earned the right to laugh at we
who can.
Mental illness is NEVER funny
One laughs only to relieve ones feelings
You're mad John and that isn't all that funny because with proper
treatment you just might get well!
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20 Feb 2004 10:33:41 AM |
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(Silver Blaze) wrote:
I've seen clips from SEVERAL deliverance. They're out there. Contact
the 700 Club. I bet Pat Robertson has tape you could watch for the
right price.
WERE YOU ON OR OFF YOUR MEDICATION AT THE TIME?
No, to be fair, I have no doubt that such tapes exist, and that certain
'Christians' are making a nice little profit charging people to watch them.
That does not seem too farfetched at all.
However, whether such tapes can be relied upon as 'evidence' of demonic
possession is obviously doubtful, since such possession would not be a
difficult thing to fake.
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Midwinter
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20 Feb 2004 12:10:46 AM |
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In article <nvk230popj1og98pokkd11ethqim64r1vh@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
When you can cast out demons, you have earned the right to laugh at we
who can.
John W
For Heaven sake get back on your prescribed anti-psychotics once and for
all and get your taking of them supervised.
You couldn't cast a cat out of beer tub!
A rat out of a cake tin!
A stale bun out of a bakers shop!
I don't laugh at you and your fellow loonies - I remember my mother always said:
"Try not to laugh at the afflicted"
But it is VERY hard sometimes with you!
You make such "diabolically" stupid claims
WOTTANUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20 Feb 2004 12:15:33 AM |
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"Silver Blaze" <pintaguinness@yourlocal.com> wrote in message
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In article <nvk230popj1og98pokkd11ethqim64r1vh@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
You couldn't cast a cat out of beer tub!
This I would like to see!
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16 Feb 2004 08:42:38 PM |
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John W <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, demons - after centuries of inactivity - have decided to make
their presence felt again,
Who has made the completely ridiculous comment that demonic activity
has been silent for 2 millenniums?
I do not know. I certainly did not. I said "after centuries of
inactivity". I did not specify any number of 'millenniums'.
So, answer my questions. Why this village? Why now? Why electrical
appliances (putting aside Father Amorth's rather inane remark that it is a
staple feature of demonic activity)?
And if you truly want to see demonic activity, I am betting that if
you did a REAL search for "demonic deliverance", you'll eventually
find real tape on it.
You'll know it's real because it's activity that is humanly
impossible, such as bodies being picked up and thrown 20 feet through
the air. Men talking with soprano voices "in trance", baritones when
normal. That kind of stuff. And if it's a better tape, it will look
like one Hollywood put together with AMAZING special effects.
No doubt. But why should *I* search for the tape? If it is so easy to
find, John, you can locate it and send it to me. Would you be willing to
do that? You are, after all, the one making the claims.
I've seen clips from SEVERAL deliverance. They're out there. Contact
the 700 Club. I bet Pat Robertson has tape you could watch for the
right price.
'The right price', eh? Yes, that about sums it up, I think.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
Sounds like a distinct possibility. But I wouldn't jump on that too
quickly.
You would not jump on WHAT too quickly? That the events were down to
supernatural forces? Do not try to feign objective detachment NOW, John -
you are the one arguing for the existence of demons.
And delighting their local priest, who was quick to jump on that
particular bandwagon. He must have thought all his Christmases had
come at once.
"I've seen things like this before," an exorcist is quoted as saying.
"Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
In other words the exorcists have had little to do lately and are very
glad of the business.
When you can cast out demons, you have earned the right to laugh at we
who can.
Oh, I do not laugh at him, John. I simply note that an exorcist needs
demons - so it is natural that he will of course use this opportunity to
drum up all the business he can while the hysteria continues. No doubt
you would do the same, as an exorcist, if things started catching fire in
YOUR home town. After all, what is the point of claiming to have this
great power to cast out demons if there are never any demons to cast out?
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Midwinter
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16 Feb 2004 02:15:43 AM |
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Italian villagers call for exorcist to end 'demon' fires
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
Fridges, cookers, televisions, washing machines, mobile telephones and
furniture have burst into flame for no apparent reason at a dozen
houses in the Sicilian village of Canneto di Caronia near Messina.
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Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Demonic activity hotspot?
More like a superstitious people hotspot.
Father Amorth does a roaring business where
there are superstitious people to buy it.
I don't see him setting up shop here in New York.
We've got a dozen million potentially possessed souls
and billions and billions of electrical devices for
demons to play with. And a reputation for being an
evil town to boot. Where's our fair share of demons?
The truth is we do not have a high percentage of
superstitious folks. Hence, no demonic possession.
Hence, no demand for a Vatican Ghost Buster.
Amorth would be laughed out of town and he knows it.
Scary Catholic priests we got.
Demons? Right. I gotcha demon right here.
Look, crappy electrical wiring scared the superstitious
Italian Catholics into evacuating their town.
It's always amazed me how weak sister these supposed
"demons" always are. Where's the scary supernatural evil
they're supposed to be famous for? They never spin churches
around, write nasty things in the sky in blood-red clouds,
or split the mayor in two while he's giving a speech on camera.
No, they prefer to terrorize us by making toasters explode.
Some people will believe anything...
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic activity hotspot! |
16 Feb 2004 06:10:11 PM |
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Italian villagers call for exorcist to end 'demon' fires
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
Fridges, cookers, televisions, washing machines, mobile telephones and
furniture have burst into flame for no apparent reason at a dozen
houses in the Sicilian village of Canneto di Caronia near Messina.
...
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
Demonic activity hotspot?
More like a superstitious people hotspot.
Father Amorth does a roaring business where
there are superstitious people to buy it.
I don't see him setting up shop here in New York.
We've got a dozen million potentially possessed souls
and billions and billions of electrical devices for
demons to play with. And a reputation for being an
evil town to boot. Where's our fair share of demons?
The truth is we do not have a high percentage of
superstitious folks. Hence, no demonic possession.
Hence, no demand for a Vatican Ghost Buster.
Amorth would be laughed out of town and he knows it.
Scary Catholic priests we got.
Demons? Right. I gotcha demon right here.
Look, crappy electrical wiring scared the superstitious
Italian Catholics into evacuating their town.
It's always amazed me how weak sister these supposed
"demons" always are. Where's the scary supernatural evil
they're supposed to be famous for? They never spin churches
around, write nasty things in the sky in blood-red clouds,
or split the mayor in two while he's giving a speech on camera.
No, they prefer to terrorize us by making toasters explode.
Some people will believe anything...
I can see you, John, right now, sitting there fuming,
debating whether to engage or not, whether to
boldly spit in the face of the demoniac and then
boldly run away
or
to just simply to boldly run away...
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| User: "Misty" |
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16 Feb 2004 12:37:10 AM |
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If what you say is true,
I would be looking for some one with a laser gun of some sort doing
it.
Misty,
martus wrote:
Italian villagers call for exorcist to end 'demon' fires
JEREMY CHARLES IN ROME
AN ITALIAN village was evacuated yesterday as investigators attempted
to explain an outbreak of spontaneous household appliance combustions,
which have left locals fearing for their safety.
Fridges, cookers, televisions, washing machines, mobile telephones and
furniture have burst into flame for no apparent reason at a dozen
houses in the Sicilian village of Canneto di Caronia near Messina.
Authorities initially suspected the fires were caused by overhead
cables on a nearby railway line, but the outbreaks continued even
after the village's electricity supply was cut off, leading some
locals to blame supernatural forces.
Pedro Spinnato, the village mayor, has ordered the evacuation so
further investigations can be carried out.
"This has been going on for three weeks now and there is no
explanation for it. We cannot risk a tragedy through these fires, so I
have no other option but to evacuate the village," said Mr Spinnato.
"We have had electrical engineers in to examine cables and wires but
they can find no explanation. It is not just electrical items,
furniture is also catching fire for no reason.
"Already people are blaming the events on evil spirits and I am being
asked to get the local priest to perform an exorcism."
The civil protection chief, Tullio Martella, said: "For the time being
there is no scientific explanation for it and I have never heard of
anything like this happening before in Italy. The fires continued even
when we cut power to the village to see if that was a possible cause."
Last night more than 100 engineers were in the village and geologists
were also due to carry out underground surveys.
Nino Pezzino, 42, one of 39 villagers evacuated yesterday, said:
"Twelve of our houses are uninhabitable. Fortunately, for the time
being, the only damage has been to houses and no-one has been hurt,
but you can sense the growing fear.
"How can anyone live in a house where any minute something can catch
fire for no apparent reason?"
Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican's chief expert on exorcisms, said:
"With cases of demon behaviour it is normal for domestic appliances to
be involved and for demons make their presence known via electricity."
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Be aware: Demons are cast out in Jesus' name only!
Luke 9:48-50 (NLT)
49 John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast
out demons. We tried to stop him because he isn't in our group."
50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is
for you."
Philippians 2:9-11 (NRSV)
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
End times:
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