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"martus" |
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08 Feb 2004 12:06:21 AM |
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Demonic deceptions! |
Galatians 1:6-8 (NRSV)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called
you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7
not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are confusing
you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an
angelb from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we
proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!
OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES: I know their possible(having had 2 myself)
but if what those spiritual beings teach you(no mater how sugar
coated) contradicts the Word of God then it is demonic. *I make the
strong point that these out of body experiences should not be sought
after due to the strong delusion factor of being in their domain.
(They are even able to appear as a dead relative!)
Leviticus 19:31 (NRSV)
31 Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out, to be
defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:27 (NRSV)
27 A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death;
they shall be stoned to death, their blood is upon them.
MEDIUMS: The problem with seeking their advice is that it is from the
demonic world that the information comes from. These unclean spirit
can pose as the spirit of that person you are trying to get in contact
with and more than likely can know personal info on that person due to
the fact that they fouled up their lives when they were alive.
Notice how it says that being in contact with mediums you become
defiled by them and that is due to the fact that you give these
demonic spirits a portal into your lives.
Hence the severe warning of punishment for those that bring that
demonic destruction of those people in those times. Exile was probably
more commonly used as that person might get rid of the demon/s with
God's help in time but for the present both host and parasites would
be gone out of the camp.
FATIMA: For a long time I wasn't quite sure what to make of these Mary
vision that mostly the people of the Catholic churches were seeing
i.e. whether from God or Satan. After reading from what the people
said that the Mary visions told them it was clear cut demonic. I say
this because these Mary vision tell people that they have to pray to
them to pray to Jesus thereby contradicting the bible and glorify that
manifestation.
1 Timothy 2:5-7 (NRSV)
5 For there is one God;
there is also one mediator between God and humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave himself a ransom for all
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
John 14:13-14 (NRSV)
13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be
glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me for anything, I will
do it.
Mark 3:21-35 (NRSV)
21 When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people
were saying, "He has gone out of his mind."
31 Then his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside, they
sent to him and called him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him; and
they said to him, "Your mother and your brothers and sistersc are
outside, asking for you." 33 And he replied, "Who are my mother and my
brothers?" 34 And looking at those who sat around him, he said, "Here
are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does the will of God is my
brother and sister and mother."
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| User: "Pip" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic deceptions! |
08 Feb 2004 06:31:07 PM |
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"Demonising" out of the body experiences and communing with
ancestors/spirits is (as you probably know) completely not acknowledging
other peoples beliefs and faiths - that have pre-dated christianity for a
few thousand years, and are still believed by vast thousands of peoples now.
You deem it as "Satans" work, but many others do not.
In the bible many differing names for God male/female were originally given
before translation and also writings of Mary were written but not included
in the 'condensed' version of the bible as it is now. The bible as we know
it now is a selective work, albeit good, but not complete....
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| User: "martus" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic deceptions! |
09 Feb 2004 06:29:50 AM |
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"Pip" <pip@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c06k96$r8d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
"Demonising" out of the body experiences and communing with
ancestors/spirits is (as you probably know) completely not acknowledging
other peoples beliefs and faiths - that have pre-dated christianity for a
few thousand years, and are still believed by vast thousands of peoples now.
You deem it as "Satans" work, but many others do not.
In the bible many differing names for God male/female were originally given
before translation and also writings of Mary were written but not included
in the 'condensed' version of the bible as it is now. The bible as we know
it now is a selective work, albeit good, but not complete....
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
John 8:57-59 (NKJV)
57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and
have You seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham
was, I AM."
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and
went out of the temple, agoing 7through the midst of them, and so
passed by.
*Jesus tells them that He was in existance before Abraham and goes
onto using the name of God "I Am" that He identified Himself to the
Jewish People around 2000yrs before.
Exodus 3:14 (NRSV)
14 "Thus you shall say to the Israelites, ‘I Am has sent me to you.'
Isaiah 7:12-14 (NLT)
13 Then Isaiah said, "Listen well, you royal family of David! You
aren't satisfied to exhaust my patience. You exhaust the patience of
God as well! 14 All right then, the Lord himself will choose the sign.
Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son
and will call him Immanuel—‘God is with us.'
*Immanuel means God is with us.'
John 1:1-18 (NRSV)
John
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came
into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.
What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light
of all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
did not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a
witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through
him. 8 He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the
light. 9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into
the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet
the world did not know him. 11 He came to what was his own, and his
own people did not accept him. 12 But to all who received him, who
believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, 13 who
were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of
man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his
glory, the glory as of a father's only son, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified to him and cried out, "This was he of whom I said,
‘He who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' ")
16 From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 The
law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus
Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is
close to the Father's heart,fwho has made him known.
* The demonic religions are the new religions not Christianty which
goes back before creation.
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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09 Feb 2004 08:34:08 PM |
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In article <511a49a.0402090429.3f30fa61@posting.google.com>,
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
Dreadful ignorance
The OT contains legends that originated in Mesopotamia long before the
rise of Judaism.
I live in a land whose aboriginal inhabitants have possessed a culture and
religions dating back between forty and over a hundred thousand years
Alongside these christianity is still in nappies and obsessed with womens
breasts
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| User: "Pip" |
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11 Feb 2004 06:31:45 PM |
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"Silver Blaze" <pintaguinness@yourlocal.com> wrote in message
news:pintaguinness-1002041334080001@ppp180.dyn27.pacific.net.au...
In article <511a49a.0402090429.3f30fa61@posting.google.com>,
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
Dreadful ignorance
The OT contains legends that originated in Mesopotamia long before the
rise of Judaism.
I live in a land whose aboriginal inhabitants have possessed a culture and
religions dating back between forty and over a hundred thousand years
Alongside these christianity is still in nappies and obsessed with womens
breasts
I completely agree with you. The OT tales did pertain from there, as their
society was ordered.(but now discarded - apart from the fact the Americans
are now sniffing around...)... they had law, liteurature, education, and a
whole lot of things which we call "society". The Mesopotamians had a lot
"sussed" long before we in the wetern world did. (and probably alot more
besides.....)
Pip
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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11 Feb 2004 10:23:01 PM |
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martus wrote:
"Pip" <pip@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c06k96$r8d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
"Demonising" out of the body experiences and communing with
ancestors/spirits is (as you probably know) completely not acknowledging
other peoples beliefs and faiths - that have pre-dated christianity for a
few thousand years, and are still believed by vast thousands of peoples now.
You deem it as "Satans" work, but many others do not.
In the bible many differing names for God male/female were originally given
before translation and also writings of Mary were written but not included
in the 'condensed' version of the bible as it is now. The bible as we know
it now is a selective work, albeit good, but not complete....
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
===>That is simply IDIOTIC NONSENSE!
Supported by nothing but lies and distortions, like the false use
of the reference to the boy Immanuel born hundreds of years
earlier to a woman pregnant by completely natural means from
his father Isaiah, rather than a boy named Jesus born to a
supposed "virgin". See Isaiah 8:18
"Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me
are for signs and wonders..." NOTHING about any YESHUA(Jesus)
or any "Christ"!!! -- L.
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| User: "John W" |
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19 Feb 2004 04:37:11 AM |
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x-no-archive:yes
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:23:01 GMT, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
martus wrote:
"Pip" <pip@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c06k96$r8d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
"Demonising" out of the body experiences and communing with
ancestors/spirits is (as you probably know) completely not acknowledging
other peoples beliefs and faiths - that have pre-dated christianity for a
few thousand years, and are still believed by vast thousands of peoples now.
You deem it as "Satans" work, but many others do not.
In the bible many differing names for God male/female were originally given
before translation and also writings of Mary were written but not included
in the 'condensed' version of the bible as it is now. The bible as we know
it now is a selective work, albeit good, but not complete....
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
===>That is simply IDIOTIC NONSENSE!
Supported by nothing but lies and distortions, like the false use
of the reference to the boy Immanuel born hundreds of years
earlier to a woman pregnant by completely natural means from
his father Isaiah, rather than a boy named Jesus born to a
supposed "virgin". See Isaiah 8:18
"Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me
are for signs and wonders..." NOTHING about any YESHUA(Jesus)
or any "Christ"!!! -- L.
And why ON EARTH would YOU think ANY person in his right mind would
believe YOU, Lobotomy, about ANYTHING? Back to the pit with you,
Satan!
John W
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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19 Feb 2004 11:09:24 PM |
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In article <pg4930t8m1r925icsssjqmgioidnupqb0j@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
And why ON EARTH would YOU think ANY person in his right mind would
believe YOU, Lobotomy, about ANYTHING? Back to the pit with you,
Satan!
John W
Off your antipsychotic meds again, you poor thing!
Do at least TRY and remember to take them. Maybe you could get your local
priest to monitor you taking them
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| User: "walksalone" |
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19 Feb 2004 10:32:28 AM |
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On 19 Feb 2004 10:37:11 GMT, John W in a fit of despair at not being the
center of attention attempted to denigrate someone else who is more worthy
of that spot, though they do not seek it.
Followups set to trolls claimed home group, arcb.
x-no-archive:yes> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:23:01 GMT, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
martus wrote:
"Pip" <pip@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c06k96$r8d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
"Demonising" out of the body experiences and communing with
ancestors/spirits is (as you probably know) completely not acknowledging
other peoples beliefs and faiths - that have pre-dated christianity for a
few thousand years, and are still believed by vast thousands of peoples now.
You deem it as "Satans" work, but many others do not.
In the bible many differing names for God male/female were originally given
before translation and also writings of Mary were written but not included
in the 'condensed' version of the bible as it is now. The bible as we know
it now is a selective work, albeit good, but not complete....
Christianity predates creation and all other demonic religions. The
Jews worshipped Christ as God and KNEW that God would come in the
flesh in the future.
===>That is simply IDIOTIC NONSENSE!
Supported by nothing but lies and distortions, like the false use
of the reference to the boy Immanuel born hundreds of years
earlier to a woman pregnant by completely natural means from
his father Isaiah, rather than a boy named Jesus born to a
supposed "virgin". See Isaiah 8:18
"Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me
are for signs and wonders..." NOTHING about any YESHUA(Jesus)
or any "Christ"!!! -- L.
And why ON EARTH would YOU think ANY person in his right mind would
believe YOU, Lobotomy, about ANYTHING? Back to the pit with you,
Satan!
As compared to, say, you?? Let's look.
A: Though he has not bragged on, or implied his education is better than
anyone else's, in your case, it is. Google verifies that.
B: Though he doesn't normally bring it up, he was a card carrying member of
the bleater brigade, like you. Unlike you, he got over it.
C: He has demonstrated a willingness to listen to others, unlike you, &
consider their points.
D: Like many, he does not do well around obvious charlatans, like you, &
google verify's this.
E: Unlike you, he does not engage, with any frequency, in petty childish
attempts at personal insult, like you. & google verify's this as well.
F: Unlike you, he does provide evidence as well as works by scholars on the
subjects he speaks upon. & yes, google verify's this as well.
So the real question is, why would anyone accept your unsupported
assertions, from flawed sources, over just about anyone else's??
The answer is probably, those that don't automatically support fellow
claimed xians, don't.
HTH [for john w, that means hope that helps]
John W
Which john w are you today, other than the pompous ***** that assumes it
speaks for everyone else that is.
walksalone who notes, as usual, john w can't refute any information
provided, simply whine & attempt to drag others down to his level of
incompetence.
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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08 Feb 2004 03:06:39 PM |
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You appear to be living on the edge
Schizophrenia tends to only be ameliorated when it is appropriately
treated so do see your doctor
There are no demons - when you start to perceive their existence it is a
sure sign you are off your rocker
In article <511a49a.0402072206.4d10d6dd@posting.google.com>,
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
Galatians 1:6-8 (NRSV)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called
you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7
not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are confusing
you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an
angelb from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we
proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!
OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES: I know their possible(having had 2 myself)
but if what those spiritual beings teach you(no mater how sugar
coated) contradicts the Word of God then it is demonic. *I make the
strong point that these out of body experiences should not be sought
after due to the strong delusion factor of being in their domain.
(They are even able to appear as a dead relative!)
Leviticus 19:31 (NRSV)
31 Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out, to be
defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:27 (NRSV)
27 A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death;
they shall be stoned to death, their blood is upon them.
MEDIUMS: The problem with seeking their advice is that it is from the
demonic world that the information comes from. These unclean spirit
can pose as the spirit of that person you are trying to get in contact
with and more than likely can know personal info on that person due to
the fact that they fouled up their lives when they were alive.
Notice how it says that being in contact with mediums you become
defiled by them and that is due to the fact that you give these
demonic spirits a portal into your lives.
Hence the severe warning of punishment for those that bring that
demonic destruction of those people in those times. Exile was probably
more commonly used as that person might get rid of the demon/s with
God's help in time but for the present both host and parasites would
be gone out of the camp.
FATIMA: For a long time I wasn't quite sure what to make of these Mary
vision that mostly the people of the Catholic churches were seeing
i.e. whether from God or Satan. After reading from what the people
said that the Mary visions told them it was clear cut demonic. I say
this because these Mary vision tell people that they have to pray to
them to pray to Jesus thereby contradicting the bible and glorify that
manifestation.
1 Timothy 2:5-7 (NRSV)
5 For there is one God;
there is also one mediator between God and humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave himself a ransom for all
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
John 14:13-14 (NRSV)
13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be
glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me for anything, I will
do it.
Mark 3:21-35 (NRSV)
21 When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people
were saying, "He has gone out of his mind."
31 Then his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside, they
sent to him and called him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him; and
they said to him, "Your mother and your brothers and sistersc are
outside, asking for you." 33 And he replied, "Who are my mother and my
brothers?" 34 And looking at those who sat around him, he said, "Here
are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does the will of God is my
brother and sister and mother."
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End times
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Feb 2004 10:10:52 AM |
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martus wrote:
Galatians 1:6-8 (NRSV)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called
you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
===>The poor fellow was losing his sheep, so he denounced "different
gospels". -- L.
Faith is a sacerdotally transmitted disease.
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| User: "oldwetdog old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet" |
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08 Feb 2004 12:34:58 AM |
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martus wrote:
Galatians 1:6-8 (NRSV)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called
you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7
not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are confusing
you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an
angelb from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we
proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!
OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES: I know their possible(having had 2 myself)
but if what those spiritual beings teach you(no mater how sugar
coated) contradicts the Word of God then it is demonic. *I make the
strong point that these out of body experiences should not be sought
after due to the strong delusion factor of being in their domain.
(They are even able to appear as a dead relative!)
Leviticus 19:31 (NRSV)
31 Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out, to be
defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:27 (NRSV)
27 A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to death;
they shall be stoned to death, their blood is upon them.
MEDIUMS: The problem with seeking their advice is that it is from the
demonic world that the information comes from. These unclean spirit
can pose as the spirit of that person you are trying to get in contact
with and more than likely can know personal info on that person due to
the fact that they fouled up their lives when they were alive.
Notice how it says that being in contact with mediums you become
defiled by them and that is due to the fact that you give these
demonic spirits a portal into your lives.
Hence the severe warning of punishment for those that bring that
demonic destruction of those people in those times. Exile was probably
more commonly used as that person might get rid of the demon/s with
God's help in time but for the present both host and parasites would
be gone out of the camp.
FATIMA: For a long time I wasn't quite sure what to make of these Mary
vision that mostly the people of the Catholic churches were seeing
i.e. whether from God or Satan. After reading from what the people
said that the Mary visions told them it was clear cut demonic. I say
this because these Mary vision tell people that they have to pray to
them to pray to Jesus thereby contradicting the bible and glorify that
manifestation.
1 Timothy 2:5-7 (NRSV)
5 For there is one God;
there is also one mediator between God and humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave himself a ransom for all
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
John 14:13-14 (NRSV)
13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be
glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me for anything, I will
do it.
Mark 3:21-35 (NRSV)
21 When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people
were saying, "He has gone out of his mind."
31 Then his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside, they
sent to him and called him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him; and
they said to him, "Your mother and your brothers and sistersc are
outside, asking for you." 33 And he replied, "Who are my mother and my
brothers?" 34 And looking at those who sat around him, he said, "Here
are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does the will of God is my
brother and sister and mother."
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End times
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
A sample;
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-copeland-rodney-brown-tongues.ram
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oldwetdog
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"Sophistry is not a system of ideas, but a vicious attitude of the
mind." Jacques Maritain
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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08 Feb 2004 12:13:52 PM |
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How horible!
A sample;
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-copeland-rodney-brown-tongues.ram
The really scary part is how the audience seemed to eat it up. I would
hope I'm wrong to think these men deamons but my first impression is
that they are. Some of the people that I love are vulnerable to similar
crap - lord I pray for your protection over these loved-ones.
Elliott
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| User: "oldwetdog old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet" |
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08 Feb 2004 02:14:17 PM |
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How horible!
A sample;
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-copeland-rodney-brown-tongues.ram
The really scary part is how the audience seemed to eat it up. I would
hope I'm wrong to think these men deamons but my first impression is
that they are. Some of the people that I love are vulnerable to similar
crap - lord I pray for your protection over these loved-ones.
Elliott
No, the men are not demons, but they are posessed by demon spirits
(Satan or his fallen angels)...
How soes this happen?
In some Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches (some, I said, not all)
people are taught that if they will fake it a little, then they can
receive the gift of speaking in tongues. In some (not all) of these
Chruches people are taught that if they do not speak in tongues then
they are not saved. What happens is that the people "faking it" are
lying, and the "gift" liars receive is *not* from the Holy Spirit, it is
from the father of lies.
So then they receive a "gift" which is a demon. Then they go from one
lie to the next, to false prophecy, false healing, false wisdom and all
of this actually contradicts God's Word... These liars, though, distort
and misinterpret His Word, take Scripture out of context or insert
meanings not in His Word to support their lies...
Yes, I will pray for you and your loved ones.
If you are interested, you can go to
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
and use the search tool for "great delusion"
May God bless you.
owd
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oldwetdog
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"Sophistry is not a system of ideas, but a vicious attitude of the
mind." Jacques Maritain
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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