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22 Apr 2004 11:18:10 AM |
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Demonic parents slay own child! |
State to seek death penalty in `demon' slaying
Associated Press
ATLANTA - The state will seek the death penalty against a man and
woman accused of killing their 8-year-old daughter in January to rid
her of a demon.
District Attorney Paul Howard believes Christopher Carey, 29, and
Valerie Carey, 27, should pay the ultimate price for strangling and
stabbing the child, Quimani, in their midtown Atlanta motel room,
spokesman Erik Friedly said Wednesday.
Police found the child's body after the Careys were found walking nude
along Piedmont Avenue with their other two children early Jan. 19. She
had been strangled and stabbed, and her arms and legs had been broken.
Pages ripped from a Bible were strewn on and around the body.
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
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22 Apr 2004 09:40:38 PM |
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State to seek death penalty in `demon' slaying
Associated Press
ATLANTA - The state will seek the death penalty against a man and
woman accused of killing their 8-year-old daughter in January to rid
her of a demon.
District Attorney Paul Howard believes Christopher Carey, 29, and
Valerie Carey, 27, should pay the ultimate price for strangling and
stabbing the child, Quimani, in their midtown Atlanta motel room,
spokesman Erik Friedly said Wednesday.
Police found the child's body after the Careys were found walking nude
along Piedmont Avenue with their other two children early Jan. 19. She
had been strangled and stabbed, and her arms and legs had been broken.
Pages ripped from a Bible were strewn on and around the body.
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Martus, you usually have an opinion on things you post.
What's your take on this?
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
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| User: "DOC" |
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23 Apr 2004 08:22:41 AM |
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In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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23 Apr 2004 01:58:29 PM |
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DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af2d49f26f8e88e98a2d7@corp.supernews.com:
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates them
from criminal intent.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "DOC" |
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23 Apr 2004 11:55:29 PM |
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In article <Xns94D479D636107doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates them
from criminal intent.
WHY would they be exonerated for KNOWING that what they did was wrong?
It was pre-meditated, IOW.......... and premeditated murder deserves the
death penalty in my books. It's the VICTIMS I feel sorry for, not thje
perpetrator of the crime.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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24 Apr 2004 05:48:21 PM |
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DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af3af3e30b37c7298a2f9@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns94D479D636107doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates
them from criminal intent.
WHY would they be exonerated for KNOWING that what they did was wrong?
What part of "no excuse for it exonerates them" did you fail to
understand?
It was pre-meditated, IOW.......... and premeditated murder deserves
the death penalty in my books. It's the VICTIMS I feel sorry for, not
thje perpetrator of the crime.
Was it? Did they actually set out to kill the child? Or, in their zeal
to fight the "demon" did they accidentally kill? And did they know right
from wrong or were they so besotted with their idea of seeing demons
everywhere (so filled up with the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good
and evil) that they could not see right from wrong in any rational
manner? These are the questions of law that will come into it.
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Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "john w" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:21:59 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:48:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af3af3e30b37c7298a2f9@corp.supernews.com:
In article <Xns94D479D636107doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates
them from criminal intent.
WHY would they be exonerated for KNOWING that what they did was wrong?
What part of "no excuse for it exonerates them" did you fail to
understand?
It was pre-meditated, IOW.......... and premeditated murder deserves
the death penalty in my books. It's the VICTIMS I feel sorry for, not
thje perpetrator of the crime.
Was it? Did they actually set out to kill the child? Or, in their zeal
to fight the "demon" did they accidentally kill? And did they know right
from wrong or were they so besotted with their idea of seeing demons
everywhere (so filled up with the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good
and evil) that they could not see right from wrong in any rational
manner? These are the questions of law that will come into it.
Mark your calendar, David. We agree.
jw
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| User: "john w" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:21:06 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:55:29 -0500, DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote:
john w responded
In article <Xns94D479D636107doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates them
from criminal intent.
WHY would they be exonerated for KNOWING that what they did was wrong?
It was pre-meditated, IOW.......... and premeditated murder deserves the
death penalty in my books. It's the VICTIMS I feel sorry for, not thje
perpetrator of the crime.
Thank God you're Canadian, and not American.
jw
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| User: "walksalone" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:12:50 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:21:06 -0700, john w snidely wrote & caused the
following response.
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:55:29 -0500, DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote:
john w responded
In article <Xns94D479D636107doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong, then no excuse for it exonerates them
from criminal intent.
WHY would they be exonerated for KNOWING that what they did was wrong?
It was pre-meditated, IOW.......... and premeditated murder deserves the
death penalty in my books. It's the VICTIMS I feel sorry for, not thje
perpetrator of the crime.
Thank God you're Canadian, and not American.
The Manitous have no need of your thanks, you are so ignorant that you
think Canadians are not Americans. They are dipso, just as much as you & I
are.
jw
the patently ignorant & pompous one today it appears.
walksalone who is not surprised at the depth of jw's ignorance, or its
arrogance.
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| User: "DOC" |
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26 Apr 2004 12:40:33 AM |
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In article <khop92igaw5v$.spo577wrtqiz.dlg@40tude.net>,
walksalone@dastardly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc sez in this lil' ole
news'froup...!
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:21:06 -0700, john w snidely wrote & caused the
following response.
idiocy removed to prevent further gales of uncontrollable laughter...
The Manitous have no need of your thanks, you are so ignorant that you
think Canadians are not Americans. They are dipso, just as much as you & I
are.
the patently ignorant & pompous one today it appears.
walksalone who is not surprised at the depth of jw's ignorance, or its
arrogance.
And just imagine. I also fly the Canadian AND USA flags too!!!
And to think I never asked permission from the individual who thinks he
is 'God in Heaven'........
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| User: "john w" |
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23 Apr 2004 10:03:32 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:58:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af2d49f26f8e88e98a2d7@corp.supernews.com:
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong,
What do you mean, "of course they knew it was wrong?" Since when did
you become God and become capable of speaking for others' actions and
thoughts?
jw
then no excuse for it exonerates them
from criminal intent.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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24 Apr 2004 12:27:35 AM |
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Reply to article by: john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Date written: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:03:32 -0700
MsgID:<j5mj8095t53vub5mhu7fpt6lmnv9p2v75c@4ax.com>
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if they
KNEW that what they did was wrong,
What do you mean, "of course they knew it was wrong?"
What makes you want to pretend that they didn't know it was wrong?
Since when did
you become God and become capable of speaking for others' actions and
thoughts?
Since when did you become King Jesus and start judging others?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"My friend plans to make a fortune with his invention. It's a
big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
COMES CLEAN, by Bill Jones
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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24 Apr 2004 05:45:29 PM |
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john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:j5mj8095t53vub5mhu7fpt6lmnv9p2v75c@4ax.com:
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:58:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af2d49f26f8e88e98a2d7@corp.supernews.com:
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she
have? What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if
they KNEW that what they did was wrong,
What do you mean, "of course they knew it was wrong?" Since when did
you become God and become capable of speaking for others' actions and
thoughts?
That's not what I was doing. But the law is the law and juries must
decide the basis of others' actions and thoughts. What part of "IF" in
my statement did you not understand? It appears as if you just elided
the word altogether.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "john w" |
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25 Apr 2004 04:20:09 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:45:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:j5mj8095t53vub5mhu7fpt6lmnv9p2v75c@4ax.com:
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:58:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af2d49f26f8e88e98a2d7@corp.supernews.com:
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she
have? What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if
they KNEW that what they did was wrong,
What do you mean, "of course they knew it was wrong?" Since when did
you become God and become capable of speaking for others' actions and
thoughts?
That's not what I was doing. But the law is the law and juries must
decide the basis of others' actions and thoughts. What part of "IF" in
my statement did you not understand? It appears as if you just elided
the word altogether.
My sincerest apologies. I misread what you wrote.
Let the whole group make note, I DO admit my mistakes, and I DO
apologize.
jw
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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26 Apr 2004 06:00:13 PM |
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In article <nj0n80ploubigge0em346bkq465f6p1d61@4ax.com>, God in Heaven wrote:
Let the whole group make note, I DO admit my mistakes, and I DO
apologize.
jw
Mate YOU are the mistake and someone else should do the apologising IMHO
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| User: "DOC" |
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27 Apr 2004 11:29:34 AM |
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In article <pintaguinness-2704041000130001@ppp34b5.dyn.pacific.net.au>,
pintaguinness@yourlocal.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
In article <nj0n80ploubigge0em346bkq465f6p1d61@4ax.com>, the liar claiming to be God in Heaven wrote:
Let the whole group make note, I DO admit my mistakes, and I DO
apologize.
jw
Mate YOU are the mistake and someone else should do the apologising IMHO
I wonder if or when he ever plans to apologize to the many people he has
issued his ridiculous threats to?
Methinks that should that day ever dawn, Hell will be frozen over...
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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25 Apr 2004 09:29:31 AM |
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john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nj0n80ploubigge0em346bkq465f6p1d61@4ax.com:
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:45:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:j5mj8095t53vub5mhu7fpt6lmnv9p2v75c@4ax.com:
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:58:29 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded
DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1af2d49f26f8e88e98a2d7@corp.supernews.com:
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the
question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she
have? What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
YOU may think that's "justice" but it is quite removed from the
philosophy of western civilization's justice systems. Of course, if
they KNEW that what they did was wrong,
What do you mean, "of course they knew it was wrong?" Since when did
you become God and become capable of speaking for others' actions and
thoughts?
That's not what I was doing. But the law is the law and juries must
decide the basis of others' actions and thoughts. What part of "IF" in
my statement did you not understand? It appears as if you just elided
the word altogether.
My sincerest apologies. I misread what you wrote.
Accepted.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "john w" |
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23 Apr 2004 10:01:54 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:22:41 -0500, DOC <DOC@idunno.net> wrote:
john w responded
In article <c69vn602eqh@drn.newsguy.com>,
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
Whether they are insane or not is not the principle here.
Whether religion 'made them insane' or not is also not the question.
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
An eye for an eye is Old Testament; it is NOT what Christ taught.
And, Elaine, you really need to re-think your attitude on the world.
For the same mercy you show you will be shown. Meaning, NONE.
jw
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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24 Apr 2004 12:30:02 AM |
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Reply to article by: john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Date written: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:01:54 -0700
MsgID:<c2mj805e2v9rg9mrrc7h7t0lkv5toqimnb@4ax.com>
the FACT remains they murdered their child. what chance did she have?
What mercy was she shown?
The so-called 'parents' should have their lives taken in forfeit.
An eye for an eye is Old Testament; it is NOT what Christ taught.
It isn't called "an eye for an eye" and no reference was made to that, it is
called "justice" and that was something Christ did not teach.
And, Elaine, you really need to re-think your attitude on the world.
For the same mercy you show you will be shown. Meaning, NONE.
Should child molestors and murderers be shown nothing but mercy and released on
good behavior?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"My friend plans to make a fortune with his invention. It's a
big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
COMES CLEAN, by Bill Jones
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23 Apr 2004 07:10:15 AM |
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On 22 Apr 2004 19:40:38 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> spake thusly:
State to seek death penalty in `demon' slaying
Associated Press
ATLANTA - The state will seek the death penalty against a man and
woman accused of killing their 8-year-old daughter in January to rid
her of a demon.
District Attorney Paul Howard believes Christopher Carey, 29, and
Valerie Carey, 27, should pay the ultimate price for strangling and
stabbing the child, Quimani, in their midtown Atlanta motel room,
spokesman Erik Friedly said Wednesday.
Police found the child's body after the Careys were found walking nude
along Piedmont Avenue with their other two children early Jan. 19. She
had been strangled and stabbed, and her arms and legs had been broken.
Pages ripped from a Bible were strewn on and around the body.
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Martus, you usually have an opinion on things you post.
What's your take on this?
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
I'd say they had mental problems to begin with and that
their religion never told them to kill their daughter.
Why would you blame a religion that tells us to love
each other and forbids murder, for a murder, instead of
the people who committed the murder?
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± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
23 Apr 2004 01:56:46 PM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ip1i80d19fnfuc6a12ld5ubqmf2rvj6j8c@4ax.com:
On 22 Apr 2004 19:40:38 -0700, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> spake thusly:
State to seek death penalty in `demon' slaying
Associated Press
ATLANTA - The state will seek the death penalty against a man and
woman accused of killing their 8-year-old daughter in January to rid
her of a demon.
District Attorney Paul Howard believes Christopher Carey, 29, and
Valerie Carey, 27, should pay the ultimate price for strangling and
stabbing the child, Quimani, in their midtown Atlanta motel room,
spokesman Erik Friedly said Wednesday.
Police found the child's body after the Careys were found walking nude
along Piedmont Avenue with their other two children early Jan. 19. She
had been strangled and stabbed, and her arms and legs had been broken.
Pages ripped from a Bible were strewn on and around the body.
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Martus, you usually have an opinion on things you post.
What's your take on this?
I'd say the parents are psycho and religion made them
that way. And that they shouldn't get the death penalty
due to obvious and indisputable insanity.
I'd say they had mental problems to begin with and that
their religion never told them to kill their daughter.
Why would you blame a religion that tells us to love
each other and forbids murder, for a murder, instead of
the people who committed the murder?
Depends what kind of cult their religion was. Some of them can incite
pretty harsh behaviour on the part of parents towards children. That was
certainly the case in a certain "Christian" school I attended as a teen.
The principal's pathology was very much wound up in an overly draconian
attachment to Old Testament Law which was certainly being fanned by the
sermons he heard in church. And the result was physical and emotional
violence against the children in his care.
Raising children is a frustrating business at best. That's because
children are individuals with their own wants and needs and parents
ALWAYS come into some conflict with this. Cults that teach OT values
(such as stoning children for disobedience) can easily lead to the kind
of pathological sort of inverse demonolatry that we see in this case.
Whether they were sane or not (in the criminal sense of the word) is for
a court to decide. If they actually thought they were doing RIGHT by
killing their child, then the definition of criminal insanity might well
apply to them. But religious leaders who incite this kind of draconian
attitude WILL be called to account for their behaviour.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
22 Apr 2004 11:36:39 AM |
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Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Called "jesus"?
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UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
22 Apr 2004 04:18:38 PM |
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In article <511a49a.0404220818.b8bd870@posting.google.com>,
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote:
State to seek death penalty in `demon' slaying
Associated Press
ATLANTA - The state will seek the death penalty against a man and
woman accused of killing their 8-year-old daughter in January to rid
her of a demon.
District Attorney Paul Howard believes Christopher Carey, 29, and
Valerie Carey, 27, should pay the ultimate price for strangling and
stabbing the child, Quimani, in their midtown Atlanta motel room,
spokesman Erik Friedly said Wednesday.
Police found the child's body after the Careys were found walking nude
along Piedmont Avenue with their other two children early Jan. 19. She
had been strangled and stabbed, and her arms and legs had been broken.
Pages ripped from a Bible were strewn on and around the body.
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
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| User: "Carol T" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
25 Apr 2004 12:45:42 PM |
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(Silver Blaze) wrote in message news:<pintaguinness-2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au>...
There are NO demons<<<<<
That you have recognised, you mean.
If they believed that the child had demons in her the parents should
have sought help from a minister. They have used a Bible, but not
heard what it has to say. Many people do this when they dismiss the
Work of God through Christ.
"Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even
handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and
the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them." NKJ
Acts 19:11-12
Carol T
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
23 Apr 2004 01:50:38 PM |
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(Silver Blaze) wrote in news:pintaguinness-
2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au:
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood popularizations
aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the vampires of fiction
the demons of reality have to be invited in and cultivated. Their REAL
power is the power to tempt.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
25 Apr 2004 08:28:50 AM |
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Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns94D47881928CEdoldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>...
pintaguinness@yourlocal.com (Silver Blaze) wrote in news:pintaguinness-
2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au:
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood popularizations
aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the vampires of fiction
the demons of reality have to be invited in and cultivated. Their REAL
power is the power to tempt.
Funny how these parents are using the traditional logic of the old
Catholic church. They defined God in a way that suited their own
purposes and anyone who got in their way were declared "demon
possessed" and were killed. Its a classic example of evil people
using a holy God's message of salvation for dastardly purposes. Jesus
said that you can recognize them "by their fruits".
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
25 Apr 2004 09:28:21 AM |
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(Mark Fox) wrote in
news:a258afb5.0404250528.244e51e8@posting.google.com:
Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns94D47881928CEdoldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>...
pintaguinness@yourlocal.com (Silver Blaze) wrote in
news:pintaguinness- 2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au:
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter
because she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood
popularizations aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the
vampires of fiction the demons of reality have to be invited in and
cultivated. Their REAL power is the power to tempt.
Funny how these parents are using the traditional logic of the old
Catholic church. They defined God in a way that suited their own
purposes and anyone who got in their way were declared "demon
possessed" and were killed. Its a classic example of evil people
using a holy God's message of salvation for dastardly purposes. Jesus
said that you can recognize them "by their fruits".
That's hardly the logic of the old universal church. It's more the logic
of the late medieval ROMAN church. Possession is not something to
conclude lightly. I've only seen it two or three times. What is far
more common is obsession. (Such as that of John W).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "DOC" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
26 Apr 2004 12:26:29 AM |
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In article <Xns94D64C0CD9F99doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>,
doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
mark_fox_@yahoo.com (Mark Fox) wrote in
news:a258afb5.0404250528.244e51e8@posting.google.com:
Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns94D47881928CEdoldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>...
pintaguinness@yourlocal.com (Silver Blaze) wrote in
news:pintaguinness- 2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au:
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter
because she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood
popularizations aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the
vampires of fiction the demons of reality have to be invited in and
cultivated. Their REAL power is the power to tempt.
Funny how these parents are using the traditional logic of the old
Catholic church. They defined God in a way that suited their own
purposes and anyone who got in their way were declared "demon
possessed" and were killed. Its a classic example of evil people
using a holy God's message of salvation for dastardly purposes. Jesus
said that you can recognize them "by their fruits".
That's hardly the logic of the old universal church. It's more the logic
of the late medieval ROMAN church. Possession is not something to
conclude lightly. I've only seen it two or three times. What is far
more common is obsession. (Such as that of John W).
But dontchaknow----- 'demons shriek when he passes by, because the power
is so strong in him'- after all, he said it, so he MUST be correct!!!!
LOL! :O)
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
23 Apr 2004 09:56:19 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:50:38 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
john w responded under copyright
pintaguinness@yourlocal.com (Silver Blaze) wrote in news:pintaguinness-
2304040818380001@ppp3639.dyn.pacific.net.au:
Investigators said Carey told them he strangled his daughter because
she "had a demon in her."
Maybe they had been listening to the likes of jw
Such crap is dangerous to the sick mind
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood popularizations
aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the vampires of fiction
the demons of reality have to be invited in and cultivated.
Not true. I have known SEVERAL former demoniacs who were gotten drunk
or drugged and when they came to their senses, a "boyfriend",
"acquaintance", or "spouse" had called up one or more demons to
possess them.
And, David, you REALLY ought to not speak about matters of which you
know little/nothing.
For instance, how many demoniacs have YOU personally encountered?
I've encountered so many, I've lost count.
As far as the account in question, this is a result of improper
theological training and ignorance. I would NEVER listen to a "Pastor
Hal" or "Rev Tom" tell me to "beat the child to drive the demon out."
That's simply not how it's done, and ALL the demon wants is the
child's/person's soul. Meaning, if you kill the possessed person, and
that person isn't a Christian, that person's soul is on its way to
Hell before the person can find God.
This is a power struggle. Satan and his boys could care less how long
you live as long as your soul belongs to them.
When these ignorant, ill-informed people killed their child, Satan
likely won that round.
IF the child/person is a Christian, then Satan and his demons have
ensured that this Christian will be of no further use or value on
earth.
THAT is the point.
jw
Their REAL
power is the power to tempt.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
24 Apr 2004 12:40:06 AM |
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Reply to article by: john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Date written: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:56:19 -0700
MsgID:<iflj80lt9gp0ncsed5ni6qmf57qd5371i9@4ax.com>
There are NO demons
Seems to me the demons were in the parents....Hollywood popularizations
aside, young children are rarely possessed. Like the vampires of fiction
the demons of reality have to be invited in and cultivated.
Not true. I have known SEVERAL former demoniacs who were gotten drunk
or drugged and when they came to their senses, a "boyfriend",
"acquaintance", or "spouse" had called up one or more demons to
possess them.
Not true. There are NO demons, whether you blindly assert there is or not,
because all you have as evidence is the same thing anyone has ever had as
evidence for demons: poorly told storytales.
And, David, you REALLY ought to not speak about matters of which you
know little/nothing.
And you really ought to talk about reality as it actually is like instead of
what you pretend it was like.
For instance, how many demoniacs have YOU personally encountered?
Same as you: Zero.
I've encountered so many, I've lost count.
As far as the account in question, this is a result of improper
theological training and ignorance.
That's called brainwashing.
I would NEVER listen to a "Pastor
Hal" or "Rev Tom" tell me to "beat the child to drive the demon out."
That's simply not how it's done, and ALL the demon wants is the
child's/person's soul. Meaning, if you kill the possessed person, and
that person isn't a Christian, that person's soul is on its way to
Hell before the person can find God.
Does that sound fair or just to the person killed? Too bad God doesn't receive
the same mercy He dishes out to other like that.
This is a power struggle. Satan and his boys could care less how long
you live as long as your soul belongs to them.
When these ignorant, ill-informed people killed their child, Satan
likely won that round.
IF the child/person is a Christian, then Satan and his demons have
ensured that this Christian will be of no further use or value on
earth.
Why can't Satan kill useless Christians who give all of you (and God) a bad
name, Christains like Jim Bakker or Jim Swaggert or Oral Roberts and so on and
so forth?
THAT is the point.
In other words, there is no point. It's all superstitious dogma void of reason
or logic or facts. That makes you more dangerous than even the worst demon you
could pretend to exist.
The Sage
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big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
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| User: "Steve Hayes" |
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| Title: Re: Demonic parents slay own child! |
24 Apr 2004 09:51:38 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:40:06 -0700, The_Sage <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote:
Not true. There are NO demons, whether you blindly assert there is or not,
because all you have as evidence is the same thing anyone has ever had as
evidence for demons: poorly told storytales.
Ah, a proselytising troll.
You really need to find the right newsgroup...
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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