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"IknowHimDoYou" |
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22 Oct 2003 11:11:27 AM |
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Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
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| User: "_AnonCoward" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
22 Oct 2003 10:48:58 PM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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: Desperation In the Evolution Camp
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Ralf:
Ya know, IK'Y, you really need to take a break here. You keep pegging
out the irony meter like this and you're gonna break it.
Ralf
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Nature is the canvas of creation and evolution but one of
the brushes. Religion points to the mind of God; Science
reveals its unfolding. The subjective apprehends knowledge
while the objective facilitates understanding.
In all things, yin and yang - ever flowing, one into the
other; always overtaking, always overtaken.
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| User: "Lane Lewis" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
23 Oct 2003 09:13:08 AM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com...
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
Evolution is based on evidence, perhaps a course in your local night school
will help you understand what that word means, also a good understanding of
the word religion would help also.
Lane
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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22 Oct 2003 02:28:09 PM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com...
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
Take your meds........
Stick your head back up your ***** .........
and tell your "keepers" to tighten the straps on your white coat!
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| User: "Brian Busse" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
23 Oct 2003 05:13:19 AM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com...
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
The only real problem with this post, is the role reversal. Sure, the details in the criticism are
specific to a straw man of evolution, but the gist of the post is a perfect reflection of
creationism.
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
23 Oct 2003 09:20:50 AM |
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"Brian Busse" :
The only real problem with this post, is the role reversal. Sure, the
details in the criticism are specific to a straw man of evolution, but
the gist of the post is a perfect reflection of creationism.
That is the point. It is one of the creationist's weakest tactics, and
yet one which they bring out time and again, relying on it as though it
is some sort of heavy artillery.
The notion that any criticism directed at creationism (laughably,
sometimes referred to as 'Scientific Creationism') can be turned around
and fired straight back at evolution is common. I am sure anyone here
who has ever asked a creationist for evidence to support their claims
will have encountered it at least once. It is little more than "I am
rubber, you are glue", but it is a staple for them.
The idea is that 'evolutionists' (being those who follow the supposed
religion of evolution) are deluded believers in some great dogma which
they are not permitted to question, but which they must recite parrot-
fashion, without understanding. Of course, any rational observer can
see that this is not the case. And not just the rational: often in the
same breath, the creationists themselves complain that evolution must be
nonsense because not all of its advocates tend to agree with each other.
Rational people will see that that is precisely because of the
scientific nature of the evolution argument: science is a constant
process of learning and discovery, and different people possess
different levels of understanding. My own understanding, for example,
is very much that of an interested dabbler - so I will get things wrong.
For a creationist, MY error means that ALL evolutionists are wrong, and
will be jumped on gleefully. Sure, creationists can come to agree with
each other word-for-word after studying the Bible for a couple of days.
But science requires more than that, and it is constantly changing as
new information comes to light.
Creationism is an ignorant, throwback standpoint which owes its
continuing existence to creation myths of thousands of years ago and a
wilful rejection of any knowledge acquired since, and any process of
learning that might involve some effort. It is, simply, the lazy
option. It is not even rationally supportable from a religious
viewpoint, since a creationist demonstrates a belief in the word of
ancient man above and beyond the word of God (the word of God, by
definition, being the world that He has created, and not the world as
described by humans who did not understand it at the time).
Revelationists and Creationists have this in common: the Book is more
important to them than the God. The God, if He exists, is what IS. But
they are not interested in what IS - only what they can be bothered to
understand and learn. THAT is all they need to define 'Truth'.
And yes, evolution, and other scientific ideas, will change. They will
adapt. They will, simply, evolve. Sometimes they will be destroyed and
replaced with other theories. That is the nature of science and the
nature of learning. But the creationist notion of our origins was
disproved a long time ago. Creationists are like the proverbial
chickens, still running around the farmyard after having their heads cut
off - they simply have not caught on to the idea that they are a thing
of the past. The long distant past.
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Midwinter
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| User: "rogue" |
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22 Oct 2003 05:25:19 PM |
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(IknowHimDoYou) wrote in message news:<IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>...
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
YM1 (AKA IKnowHimButILoveHimAndIDo)
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
JERRY
LOLOL. This from the man who has run from every debate after being
shredded on every single point without exception. Only Steve Muscat
has done as bad in presenting his case as YM. The only reason he
posts these little sermons is that he can present a case without
having to defend it. If he has to defend his case, he falls apart and
runs away again.
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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22 Oct 2003 11:29:16 AM |
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Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is
alost at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most
outlandish ideas and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to
be truth. If it were not so serious due to it's effect on our moral
decay, it would be comical to hear them.
And yet, amidst all these "outlandish ideas and pseudo 'facts'" there is
a continuing silence: that of the creationists when asked to provide
even the slightest evidence for their claim.
That is the case, and it will continue to be the case regardless of how
proudly posters like this might trumpet their non-argument. It remains
the fact that wherever creation versus evolution is discussed, there is
a certain pattern to be discerned. Evolutionists provide evidence and
admit to error when they misunderstand. Creationists claim absolute
knowledge and provide nothing beyond "because it just is".
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals,
and political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards
and college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and
acceptance by the public of evidence for creation as told in the
Bible.
A misunderstanding on your part. It is not simply the spread of
acceptance of the ludicrous idea of six-day (sorry - six-MILLENNIUM, of
course) creation that causes rational people concern. It is the
possibility that it might spread AGAIN. Remember, these ideas of yours
once held full sway, in more ignorant and superstitious times. They
died when the majority of normal people began to see that they were not
in any way supported by the world as it actually appears, and the
priests and charlatans had nothing more than empty bluster to offer in
support of them - just as you rely on it now.
All their efforts at censorship are also evidence for these
hysterical, bombastic tirades attempting to claim that they are the
products of accidental chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying
to counteract true information
Needless to say, a request by me for you to provide any "true
information" will be ignored or met with empty mockery, as it always is.
However, in the interests of fair play I make the request regardless.
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Midwinter
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
23 Oct 2003 09:19:00 PM |
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Reply to article by: (IknowHimDoYou)
Date written: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:27 -0700
MsgID:<IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
Yes, it would be comical so please provide links to any "evolutionary
religionists" that are hysterical or liars. Of course, there is no such thing as
"evolutionary religionists" so that would only prove you don't know what you are
talking about <look of feigned surprize>.
But here is a better one: IknowHimDoYou's level of desperation to support his
blind faith belief in a god is so high, that he woud resort to false claims,
evasion of the issue, and name calling in order to defend his favorite myth. And
I can prove my claim, for example, remember the time when I even humored your
claims by pretending to concede to your assertion that evolution never happened?
And then what? What alternative could you give us to evolution? You pretend it
is a gawd but if you want to claim a god, then just like evolution, you have to
provide non-outlandish ideological or pseudo-factual proof that gawd is a fact
and not a fantasy...and you failed! Miserably! And completely! To recap:
Do you have evidence of the existence of any gawd? I am not talking about the
hearsay of a book or the testimony of a biased witness, I am talking about
actual evidence. Of course not, you aren't even close to being able to offer
physical evidence of any kind whatsoever. While evolution has (in a few but
certainl not all places) incomplete or partial evidence, this is far more
convincing and logically acceptable then the complete and total lack of evidence
that you present. Do you have so much as a strand of hair from your gawd, or a
bone fragment from an angel, or how about even a footprint from geezus when he
used to walk about teaching in the synagogues? All you have is a contradictory
book with false prophecies and an empty grave. Every piece of evidence you could
ever hope for, seems to only come up empty handed for you. Even at this very
moment, I have a transistional fossil paperweight sitting on my desktop as just
one small piece of proof that evolution does happen and that alone is a billion
times more evidence in favor of the evolutionary theory than you could ever
dream of having in support of your gawd awfull theory.
Humans are composed of 75% water, how did Gawd create man as described in
Genesis without using any water?
There is no place in the world that is composed of dust that is of the same
composition as the 'dust' in humans. Where did the alleged dust come from then?
Imagination?
The make believe Adam of Buybull fame, supposedly was created with a body, soul,
and spirit. When Adam first sinned, which of these parts of Adam was responsible
for the sin? If it was the body then why must our souls be saved and not our
bodies? If it was soul or spirit then why must the body suffer? When God spoke
to Adam in Gen. 3:17-19, was he speaking to "Adam the body" or "Adam the soul"
or "Adam the spirit"? If you say spirit or soul then why would God mislead Adam
by saying from dust YOU were made and to dust YOU will return? Why didn't he
truthfully say from dust only your body was made and to dust only your body will
return? Your Gawd lied.
Eventually there would come Jesus and he was to buy back what Adam lost. This
brings us to the question of what exactly did Adam lose? If Adam was already in
Heaven, then he didn't need Jesus to die for him because he would already be
where he would want to be. If Adam was in Hell then it was too late! He was
already where he deserved to be. Wouldn't God have originally wanted Adam to
have not sinned? If you believe in foreordaination, you would have to say no,
because God had pre-planned for Adam's failure, therefore God wanted Adam to
sin.
"For god so loved the world that He will fry you to a crisp in Hell, if you
don't believe He so loved the world"
....now have a nice day in jeezus!
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The biggest problem in the world, could have been solved
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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22 Oct 2003 01:35:55 PM |
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The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch.
In the world of your personal delusions perhaps.
If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
Tell us more about yourself, comedian...
Aah, of course, you won't. Well, I'll do it again...
UNWRITTEN RULES OF FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical,
psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans
for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will
for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information
in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you
don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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22 Oct 2003 10:23:36 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian I read this message from
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou):
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
And, yet, you somehow failed to back up any of your claims with
any evidence.
So now I ask yet again. Does anyone out there agree with
IknowHim? Does anyone find his argument of (positive) value?
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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22 Oct 2003 11:30:09 AM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, (IknowHimDoYou) wrote
in <IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>:
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
Didn't you post this rhetorical slag heap already?
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible. All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny. In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
You assert, contrary to the evidence, that evolution is a religious
belief rather than a scientific discovery. This, you know, is a lie.
What religion do you belong to that asks you to lie about reality? It is
clear that it is not Christianity.
There is no scientific evidence for creation. You repeated another
falsehood.
Each time you post, you show that you are an enemy of Christ.
Have a good day.
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| User: "Michael" |
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23 Oct 2003 09:27:19 PM |
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In article <IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>,
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou) wrote:
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be comical
to hear them.
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the scientific or
religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis. Evolution is only
taught in schools as a result of the Scopes trial in which the
Christophobic ACLU used the fradulent Nebraska man evidence to pursuade
the court to a flawed conclusion. And the fraud and deception from
Heckel's drawings, staged spooted moth mythology, fraudlent Piltdown man
and a host of others carries the day on the front page while the
corrections appear in the small print on page 100.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals, and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible.
Not to mention all the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science
journals, and political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school
boards and college teachers from presenting alternatives of the scientific
theory of creation.
All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny.
Unless science is limited to self serving mutual admiration societies of
fundie evolutionists all dressed up as peer reviewed journals.
In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
When the emperor paid a fortune for his new clothes, he was told that all
the wise people of the kingdom would see his wisdom and spendor, but the
ignorant would think he was naked. Well, he was naked, and it was the
'ignorant' who were the wise.
And the serpant said to the woman, surely the Word of God is not exactly true.
Evolution is a religion in crisis, RIP.
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25 Oct 2003 11:09:10 AM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2310032227190001@192.168.1.55...
In article <IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>,
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou) wrote:
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is
alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it
were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be
comical
to hear them.
Burt: How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the
scientific or
religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis.
Tom: Tee hee hee, there isn't a scientific alternative.
Burt: Evolution is only
taught in schools as a result of the Scopes trial in which the
Christophobic ACLU used the fradulent Nebraska man evidence to pursuade
the court to a flawed conclusion.
Tom: Gee whiz, I always thought he was found guilty. I guess Burt will
explain how the flawed conclusion that he was guilty was reached. I assume
he will also give us a source on the claim that Nebraska man was used in the
Scopes trial. You will do that for us, won't you Burt?
Burt: And the fraud and deception from
Heckel's drawings, staged spooted moth mythology, fraudlent Piltdown man
and a host of others carries the day on the front page while the
corrections appear in the small print on page 100.
Tom: Again, I'm sure you have more than your baseless assertions to support
your position.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals,
and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and
acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible.
Burt: Not to mention all the money, time and hot air lavished on
pseudo-science
journals, and political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school
boards and college teachers from presenting alternatives of the scientific
theory of creation.
Tom: All scientific alternatives are welcome.
All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny.
Burt: Unless science is limited to self serving mutual admiration societies
of
fundie evolutionists all dressed up as peer reviewed journals.
Tom: The truth hurts ,doesn't it Burt?
In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
Burt: When the emperor paid a fortune for his new clothes, he was told that
all
the wise people of the kingdom would see his wisdom and spendor, but the
ignorant would think he was naked. Well, he was naked, and it was the
'ignorant' who were the wise.
Tom: This is supposed to have meaning concerning evolution????
Burt: And the serpant said to the woman, surely the Word of God is not
exactly >true.
Tom: When was the last time you saw a talking serpent, Burt? Have we ever
found a fossil of a talking serpent. You think that learned people in the
world are supposed to believe the crap that is put forth in Genesis?
Burt: Evolution is a religion in crisis, RIP.
Tom: It is also amusing to see the reaction of a creationist after he has
run out of ammunition :-)>
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24 Oct 2003 07:02:17 AM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2310032227190001@192.168.1.55...
In article <IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>,
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou) wrote:
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is
alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it
were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be
comical
to hear them.
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the scientific or
religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis. Evolution is only
taught in schools as a result of the Scopes trial in which the
Christophobic ACLU used the fradulent Nebraska man evidence to pursuade
the court to a flawed conclusion. And the fraud and deception from
Heckel's drawings, staged spooted moth mythology, fraudlent Piltdown man
and a host of others carries the day on the front page while the
corrections appear in the small print on page 100.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals,
and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and
acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible.
Not to mention all the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science
journals, and political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school
boards and college teachers from presenting alternatives of the scientific
theory of creation.
All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny.
Unless science is limited to self serving mutual admiration societies of
fundie evolutionists all dressed up as peer reviewed journals.
Yeah, that and gene-splicing, cloning, criminal indentification, geneology,
pathology, etc.
In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
When the emperor paid a fortune for his new clothes, he was told that all
the wise people of the kingdom would see his wisdom and spendor, but the
ignorant would think he was naked. Well, he was naked, and it was the
'ignorant' who were the wise.
And the serpant said to the woman, surely the Word of God is not exactly
true.
Evolution is a religion in crisis, RIP.
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25 Oct 2003 10:59:54 PM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-2310032227190001@192.168.1.55...
In article <IknowHim-2210030911270001@pm10-21.kalama.com>,
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou) wrote:
Desperation In the Evolution Camp
The level of desperation in among the evlolutionary religionists is
alost
at a hysterical pitch. They are throwing out the most outlandish ideas
and pseudo "facts" trying to prove their religion to be truth. If it
were
not so serious due to it's effect on our moral decay, it would be
comical
to hear them.
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the scientific or
religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis. Evolution is only
taught in schools as a result of the Scopes trial in which the
Christophobic ACLU used the fradulent Nebraska man evidence to pursuade
the court to a flawed conclusion. And the fraud and deception from
Heckel's drawings, staged spooted moth mythology, fraudlent Piltdown man
and a host of others carries the day on the front page while the
corrections appear in the small print on page 100.
The evolution hypothesis is that common descent, produced by mutation and
natural selection, "did it." It does not depend on a list of alternate
possibilities (elves, space aliens, multiple origins) that "didn't do it."
Conversely, creationism *does* depend on claiming that "evolution didn't do
it;" creationists have no testable creation model, and no explanation for
why creation is one way rather than any number of other ways the Creator
could have done it. Evolution does not depend on a denial of God, anymore
than meteorology (which rejects "windows in heaven" in favor of fronts,
pressure, and humidity) does.
The Scopes trial *upheld* a law forbidding the teaching of evolution. The
ACLU *lost* the case, because the judge did not allow testimony about
scientific evidence, but confined the trial to the narrow question of
whether Scopes broke the law. Since the trial ended with Scopes convicted,
but suffering no penalty, there was nothing to appeal to a higher court.
The case was not overturned until the 1960s.
"Nebraska man" was not mentioned in the case, or even in supporting
documents entered into the record but never heard by the jury. "Nebraska
man" was an invention of the popular press; Ostrom, the paleontologist, only
identified the two teeth (until he learned better through further
research -- there was no fraud here, only an honest mistake) as some sort of
ape, not an "ape-man," and not as evidence of human evolution.
And the peppered moth staged photos aren't offered as "proof of evolution,"
but simply proof that different-colored moths are camoflaged against
different-colored bark (and the moths do rest on bark, where birds eat them
if they can see them) ... but why bother? You haven't a clue as to what
you're talking about.
All the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science journals,
and
political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school boards and
college teachers from presenting alternatives to the religion of
evolution is evidence that they fear the increasing spread and
acceptance
by the public of evidence for creation as told in the Bible.
Not to mention all the money, time and hot air lavished on pseudo-science
journals, and political campaigns to keep public school teachers, school
boards and college teachers from presenting alternatives of the scientific
theory of creation.
There is no scientific theory of creation. The creationists and ID
proponents have been asked for it. The creationists admit that there is no
way to test their "creation model" -- no possible evidence that creationism
couldn't fit. It's religion dressed up in scientific jargon, pure and
simple. The ID proponents don't even claim to have a teachable theory about
Who does the designing, or how design gets into living things, or what
things are and aren't designed. Their whole case comes down to lousy
arguments against evolution. And yes, oddly, many people oppose putting
lousy arguments against evolution into the curriculum.
All their
efforts at censorship are also evidence for these hysterical, bombastic
tirades attempting to claim that they are the products of accidental
chaos. This is only a last ditch stand trying to counteract true
information and their vain efforts will not withstand real scientific
scrutiny.
Unless science is limited to self serving mutual admiration societies of
fundie evolutionists all dressed up as peer reviewed journals.
Projection? Or simple ignorance, like your totally wrong comments on the
Scopes trial? Why should we expect you to know how peer review or
scientific research works, when you don't even know what *creationist*
sources could tell you about the Scopes trial (like who won)?
In the end the reasonable observer will find that evolution
religion is a deduction from a materialistic belief system and is only
philosophy/religion dressed up as "science".
When the emperor paid a fortune for his new clothes, he was told that all
the wise people of the kingdom would see his wisdom and spendor, but the
ignorant would think he was naked. Well, he was naked, and it was the
'ignorant' who were the wise.
And the serpant said to the woman, surely the Word of God is not exactly
true.
Evolution is a religion in crisis, RIP.
Again, why should I believe you on complex and obscure subjects, when I find
you, over and over again, totally wrong on simple and obvious points?
-- Steven J.
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26 Oct 2003 01:50:29 AM |
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(Michael) :
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the
scientific or religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis.
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it", or that He did
- it only suggests how it was done. Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not of
particular importance from a scientific standpoint. That remains a matter
of faith.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Michael" |
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30 Oct 2003 10:30:03 PM |
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In article <Xns94204FDE0ABDBsolstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>, Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) :
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the
scientific or religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis.
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of evolutionary
theory.
or that He did
- it only suggests how it was done.
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not of
particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
So a fundie religious atheist might say.
That remains a matter
of faith.
tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
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| User: "Tom" |
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31 Oct 2003 12:33:16 PM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-3010032330030001@192.168.1.55...
In article <Xns94204FDE0ABDBsolstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>, Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) :
How true, some even deny that there is an alternative to the
scientific or religious "God didn't do it" evolution hypothesis.
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Burt: Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary
theory.
Tom: Tee hee hee, I told you that anything following "IOW" was a lie and
Burt just proved me to be correct. Gee, thanks Burt.
or that He did
- it only suggests how it was done.
Burt: With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Tom: Tee hee hee, I don't think it mentions "god" so you can posit anything
you wish.
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not of
particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
Burt: So a fundie religious atheist might say.
Tom: Tee hee hee, meaningless assertion from a fool :-).
That remains a matter
of faith.
Burt: tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
Tom: Tee hee hee, you should certainly know about that Burt, as you are as
scientifically ignorant as anyone I've known :-).
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31 Oct 2003 06:29:42 AM |
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(Michael):
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary theory.
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion? But that could
not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in evolution, and therefore
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity.
Another example of the worship of the book over the worship of the god.
YOU get to decide what powers God has and has not, based on YOUR
assessment of the content of an ancient book.
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Yes, exactly.
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not
of particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
So a fundie religious atheist might say.
S/he might, yes. But tell me, as a religious Creationist, what possible
relevance can science's investigation (or not) into the existence of God
possibly have for you?
That remains a matter
of faith.
tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
Ignorance of science. Yes, that is certainly an issue here.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Michael" |
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06 Nov 2003 10:01:51 PM |
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In article <Xns94257F36DC714solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>, Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael):
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary theory.
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion?
Yes.
But that could
not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in evolution, and therefore
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity.
Tee hee hee, IOW, you are stating that God's Word is lying on
alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy?
Perhaps Creation could not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in
Creation theory, niether the scientific nor religious, and therefore that
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity?
Another example of the worship of the book over the worship of the god.
YOU get to decide what powers God has and has not, based on YOUR
assessment of the content of an ancient book.
Tee hee hee, explain how like kind begatting like kind reveals that
tomatoe plants and giraffes have a common ancestor but absolutely not a
common Creator?
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Yes, exactly.
HOw? Seems like your snipper got out of control.
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not
of particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
So a fundie religious atheist might say.
S/he might, yes.
What is a s/he? Never met one of them. Sounds like gender identity
confusion. Are you saying that a s/he is a fundie religious atheist? Not
surprising, I suppose, based upon the religious beliefs.
But tell me, as a religious Creationist,
Actually I am both a religious and scientific Creationalist. One is the
revelation, the other the scientific hypothesis. Just like evolutionism
which has both religious and scientific components.
what possible
relevance can science's investigation (or not) into the existence of God
possibly have for you?
Why is science so afraid to investigate what it does not know?
That remains a matter
of faith.
tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
Ignorance of science. Yes, that is certainly an issue here.
Tee hee hee, we agree, evoluitonism is ignorant of science, but what can
one expect coming from people who admit that they only recently punctuated
the equilibrium and started walking upright.
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07 Nov 2003 09:18:29 AM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-0611032301560001@192.168.1.55...
In article <Xns94257F36DC714solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>, Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael):
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary theory.
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion?
Burt: Yes.
Tom: Tee hee hee, Burt answers for god. When did he appoint you as his
spokesman, Burt?
But that could
not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in evolution, and therefore
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity.
Burt: Tee hee hee, IOW, you are stating that God's Word is lying on
alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy?
Tom: Tee hee hee, If you had a brain you could trim the headers of your
posts. That way you and your friends could worship in solitude.
<snip remainder>
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07 Nov 2003 07:02:35 AM |
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(Michael) :
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion?
Yes.
Rather shot yourself in the foot here, then, Creationist. God is not the
all-powerful being you claim to believe He is, if you can so easily
impose arbitrary limits on what He can and cannot do.
Tee hee hee, IOW, you are stating that God's Word is lying on
alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy?
God's Word, in my experience, has relatively little to do with what is
stated on alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity, and
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy.
Incidentally, I assume you get some sort of kick from repeatedly posting
all these group names. Maybe you think it is making some sort of subtle
point, rather than just being another comical little quirk, comparable to
your "tee hee hees"?
Perhaps Creation could not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in
Creation theory, niether the scientific nor religious, and therefore
that God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of
humanity?
Well, there is certainly no way I can say that Creationism COULD NOT have
been - simply that, of all the available alternatives, it is the one
which has the least support in terms of scientific evidence or common
sense. Certainly, if God really IS the vindictive, savage and ignorant
creature you want us to believe He is, then yes, Creationism as you
describe it is not beyond the bounds of possibility. For myself, though,
I prefer to take account of the available evidence. The idea of humans
Knowing It All just does not sit well with me - and that is essentially
what you are claiming: that you know everything and that there is nothing
else to learn.
I just think that must be a very sad way to live.
Tee hee hee, explain how like kind begatting like kind reveals that
tomatoe plants and giraffes have a common ancestor but absolutely not
a common Creator?
Well, if you can do it (see below), then so can I: What is a tomatoe?
Is it like a tomato?
Seriously, though - explain why like begetting like (a good Biblical word
there - 'begetting') demonstrates that everything has a common creator?
No, do not trouble yourself - I know very well that your answer will be
little more than "because it does", since that is the only argument that
faith allows.
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Yes, exactly.
HOw? Seems like your snipper got out of control.
No - you are simply not paying attention. Either of these possibilities
is valid. Unlike the Creationist viewpoint, which must prove itself the
only available option by condemning everything else, a truly rational
view allows for all possibilities. And THAT is the difference between
your view and mine - THAT is what makes your view a fundamentalist dogma,
much as you might like to apply the same labels to mine.
S/he might, yes.
What is a s/he? Never met one of them. Sounds like gender identity
confusion.
If you are unable to work out for yourself what this (fairly common)
construction is intended to do, then you are beyond help. You merely
embarrass yourself here.
But tell me, as a religious Creationist,
Actually I am both a religious and scientific Creationalist.
Evolution has no religious components, but does not disallow religious
views in and of itself. Creationism has no scientific components, and
does make effort to disallow them. What you call science is no less
religion than what you call religion.
You cannot have it both ways - you can either revile science or accept
it. At the moment your argument is trying to do both.
Why is science so afraid to investigate what it does not know?
You mean why is it so afraid to take the religionists' word for it that
God-Did-It, and waste time and effort trying to prove a point of faith?
You suggest a means by which God might be scientifically observed and
measured, and I am sure you will have the thanks of the scientific
community.
Tee hee hee, we agree, evoluitonism is ignorant of science, but what
can one expect coming from people who admit that they only recently
punctuated the equilibrium and started walking upright.
Think about it, Michael, before you make yourself look more foolish.
"Only recently", you say? My ancestors learned to walk upright many tens
of thousands of years ago. Your ancestors, you claim, were thrown
together from a handful of dirt only six thousand years ago. If recency
is to be an argument then you, as a Creationist, do not start from a
position of advantage.
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Midwinter
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07 Nov 2003 01:13:33 AM |
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(Michael) wrote in message news:<mikeburt-0611032301560001@192.168.1.55>...
In article <Xns94257F36DC714solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>, Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
(Michael):
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary theory.
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion?
Yes.
But that could
not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in evolution, and therefore
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity.
Tee hee hee, IOW, you are stating that God's Word is lying on
alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy?
Perhaps Creation could not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in
Creation theory, niether the scientific nor religious, and therefore that
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity?
Another example of the worship of the book over the worship of the god.
YOU get to decide what powers God has and has not, based on YOUR
assessment of the content of an ancient book.
Tee hee hee, explain how like kind begatting like kind reveals that
tomatoe plants and giraffes have a common ancestor but absolutely not a
common Creator?
"tomatoe"?, now we know that you are really Dan Quayle. He hasn't a clue about Biology either.
Flora
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Yes, exactly.
HOw? Seems like your snipper got out of control.
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is not
of particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
So a fundie religious atheist might say.
S/he might, yes.
What is a s/he? Never met one of them. Sounds like gender identity
confusion. Are you saying that a s/he is a fundie religious atheist? Not
surprising, I suppose, based upon the religious beliefs.
But tell me, as a religious Creationist,
Actually I am both a religious and scientific Creationalist. One is the
revelation, the other the scientific hypothesis. Just like evolutionism
which has both religious and scientific components.
what possible
relevance can science's investigation (or not) into the existence of God
possibly have for you?
Why is science so afraid to investigate what it does not know?
That remains a matter
of faith.
tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
Ignorance of science. Yes, that is certainly an issue here.
Tee hee hee, we agree, evoluitonism is ignorant of science, but what can
one expect coming from people who admit that they only recently punctuated
the equilibrium and started walking upright.
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| User: "Brad" |
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07 Nov 2003 10:59:43 AM |
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Maybe he has a point but it's stated backwards. God created everything
perfectly and then man (and woman) screwed it up by making the wrong choices
(sound ladies). Now because of those choices made God set into motion the
rules of de-evolution. You see that the people who do not believe in Christ
die and while awaiting the judgment day they are still walking the earth as
fish, dogs, cats, earthworms and house flies. What they are is decided by
how good or bad they were while deciding if they should worship their maker
or not.
God gave us free will so (ladies) we have always had the right to choose
and we are responsible for EVERY choice we make; even those we refuse to
admit to.
Brad
(once a fetus ) who evolved to a Christian
"flora macdonald" <msflora99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael) wrote in message
news:<mikeburt-0611032301560001@192.168.1.55>...
In article <Xns94257F36DC714solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50>,
Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael):
Evolution as a theory does not say that "God didn't do it",
Gee, you are making progress. IOW, God is an intregal part of
evolutionary theory.
Is there some reason why God would not have the power to create the
rules of evolution and set the whole thing in motion?
Yes.
But that could
not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in evolution, and therefore
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity.
Tee hee hee, IOW, you are stating that God's Word is lying on
alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian-teen,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christianity,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy?
Perhaps Creation could not be, could it, since YOU do not believe in
Creation theory, niether the scientific nor religious, and therefore
that
God cannot have used such methods to affect His creation of humanity?
Another example of the worship of the book over the worship of the
god.
YOU get to decide what powers God has and has not, based on YOUR
assessment of the content of an ancient book.
Tee hee hee, explain how like kind begatting like kind reveals that
tomatoe plants and giraffes have a common ancestor but absolutely not a
common Creator?
"tomatoe"?, now we know that you are really Dan Quayle. He hasn't a
clue about Biology either.
Flora
With or without God's Creative intelligent design?
Yes, exactly.
HOw? Seems like your snipper got out of control.
Science in general does not concern
itself with the existence or otherwise of God, since the issue is
not
of particular importance from a scientific standpoint.
So a fundie religious atheist might say.
S/he might, yes.
What is a s/he? Never met one of them. Sounds like gender identity
confusion. Are you saying that a s/he is a fundie religious atheist?
Not
surprising, I suppose, based upon the religious beliefs.
But tell me, as a religious Creationist,
Actually I am both a religious and scientific Creationalist. One is the
revelation, the other the scientific hypothesis. Just like evolutionism
which has both religious and scientific components.
what possible
relevance can science's investigation (or not) into the existence of
God
possibly have for you?
Why is science so afraid to investigate what it does not know?
That remains a matter
of faith.
tee hee hee, or scientific ignorance.
Ignorance of science. Yes, that is certainly an issue here.
Tee hee hee, we agree, evoluitonism is ignorant of science, but what can
one expect coming from people who admit that they only recently
punctuated
the equilibrium and started walking upright.
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
07 Nov 2003 04:38:40 PM |
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"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> :
Maybe he has a point but it's stated backwards. God created everything
perfectly and then man (and woman) screwed it up by making the wrong
choices (sound ladies).
If God created everything perfectly, how could we (ladies or otherwise)
have screwed it up? I am more than happy to accept my share of the blame
for the failure of His 'Great Experiment' - but I see no reason why He
should not also accept His.
Now because of those choices made God set into
motion the rules of de-evolution. You see that the people who do not
believe in Christ die and while awaiting the judgment day they are
still walking the earth as fish, dogs, cats, earthworms and house
flies. What they are is decided by how good or bad they were while
deciding if they should worship their maker or not.
Hmm. Interesting fusion of Christianity and Hindu karmic principles,
there.
God gave us free will so (ladies) we have always had the right to
choose
and we are responsible for EVERY choice we make; even those we refuse
to admit to.
And which of us, Brad (ladies or otherwise), do you feel are not taking
responsibility for the choices we make? And - for that matter - which
choices do you feel we should be admitting to, but are not?
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Midwinter
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| User: "Brad" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
07 Nov 2003 05:47:57 PM |
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God made everything perfectly and in doing so he had to give man free will.
Otherwise God would have made a big board game where he makes all the moves.
When man decided that he could do it better than God he took the same path
as the angle satin did and it started a new path of destruction. The world
was put here for our support and we are in competition with satin for it's
control. Satin in turn offers us instant gratification in the hope he will
keep our attention away from our maker and humanity spirals downward because
we refuse to worship our maker..... our only job.
I was just joking about the reverse evolution idea but..... who knows
maybe we screwed things up causing long lost species to change through bad
breeding. Our own children are being born disfigured because of our misuse
of the environment ...... I just think it's funny that the "THEROY" of eve
tells us that we evolved from other animals because the environment forced
the change yet those same animals are still here too.....
Brad
"Midwinter" <solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns942CE677BAA8solstice688TAKEYOURS@217.32.252.50...
"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> :
Maybe he has a point but it's stated backwards. God created everything
perfectly and then man (and woman) screwed it up by making the wrong
choices (sound ladies).
If God created everything perfectly, how could we (ladies or otherwise)
have screwed it up? I am more than happy to accept my share of the blame
for the failure of His 'Great Experiment' - but I see no reason why He
should not also accept His.
Now because of those choices made God set into
motion the rules of de-evolution. You see that the people who do not
believe in Christ die and while awaiting the judgment day they are
still walking the earth as fish, dogs, cats, earthworms and house
flies. What they are is decided by how good or bad they were while
deciding if they should worship their maker or not.
Hmm. Interesting fusion of Christianity and Hindu karmic principles,
there.
God gave us free will so (ladies) we have always had the right to
choose
and we are responsible for EVERY choice we make; even those we refuse
to admit to.
And which of us, Brad (ladies or otherwise), do you feel are not taking
responsibility for the choices we make? And - for that matter - which
choices do you feel we should be admitting to, but are not?
--
Midwinter
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
08 Nov 2003 04:28:38 AM |
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"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> :
God made everything perfectly and in doing so he had to give man free
will. Otherwise God would have made a big board game where he makes
all the moves.
And? God could have made everything one giant board game and it would
still have been perfect, based on His idea of perfection. Perfection
does not require that we have free will - but He gives it to us anyway
and then acts all surprised when we use it?
Besides, there are some schools of thought that suggest free will is an
illusion in any case, if God already knows and intends everything that is
to happen.
When man decided that he could do it better than God he
took the same path as the angle satin
The angle satin? I rarely criticise spelling errors since I am forever
being told it is 'not cool' to do so - and of course we are all prone to
them. But since you mis-spell this consistently several times: the
Adversary is called Satan. Satin is a fabric. Surely it is worth
learning these basics before you preach on a subject?
The world was put here for our support and we are in
competition with satin for it's control.
Then why was Satan put here?
I was just joking about the reverse evolution idea but..... who
knows
maybe we screwed things up causing long lost species to change through
bad breeding. Our own children are being born disfigured because of
our misuse of the environment
Really? Would you care to elaborate?
....... I just think it's funny that the
"THEROY" of eve tells us that we evolved from other animals because
the environment forced the change yet those same animals are still
here too.....
I assume by 'theory of Eve' you do not mean Creationism and the whole
thing with the apple.
But seriously, evolution appears comical and irrational to you because
you have misunderstood (perhaps deliberately, perhaps not) what the
theory of evolution says. As many (all?) Creationists do. The theory of
evolution does not say that we evolved from creatures which currently
exist. For example, although it is commonly quoted as such, it does not
say "man evolved from apes". It says "man and apes evolved from a common
ancestor".
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Midwinter
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
08 Nov 2003 04:14:41 PM |
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"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> wrote
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God made everything perfectly and in doing so he had to give man free will.
Otherwise God would have made a big board game where he makes all the moves.
When man decided that he could do it better than God he took the same path
as the angle satin did and it started a new path of destruction. The world
was put here for our support and we are in competition with satin for it's
control. Satin in turn offers us instant gratification in the hope he will
keep our attention away from our maker and humanity spirals downward because
we refuse to worship our maker..... our only job.
I like that description.
I was just joking about the reverse evolution idea but..... who knows
maybe we screwed things up causing long lost species to change through bad
breeding. Our own children are being born disfigured because of our misuse
of the environment ...... I just think it's funny that the "THEROY" of eve
tells us that we evolved from other animals because the environment forced
the change yet those same animals are still here too.....
Brad
Evolution theory also totally violates the second law of
thermodynamics. But, nobody said it was a perfect theory. As a
scientist and a Christian I'm comfortable with the fact that the Bible
and Evolution theory both agree that the Universe was created first,
the Earth was created second and people were created third. The rest
of the discussion is just bickering over the details.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
09 Nov 2003 03:41:08 AM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a258afb5.0311081414.4dbd008e@posting.google.com...
"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> wrote
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God made everything perfectly and in doing so he had to give man free
will.
Otherwise God would have made a big board game where he makes all the
moves.
When man decided that he could do it better than God he took the same
path
as the angle satin did and it started a new path of destruction. The
world
was put here for our support and we are in competition with satin for
it's
control. Satin in turn offers us instant gratification in the hope he
will
keep our attention away from our maker and humanity spirals downward
because
we refuse to worship our maker..... our only job.
I like that description.
I was just joking about the reverse evolution idea but..... who
knows
maybe we screwed things up causing long lost species to change through
bad
breeding. Our own children are being born disfigured because of our
misuse
of the environment ...... I just think it's funny that the "THEROY" of
eve
tells us that we evolved from other animals because the environment
forced
the change yet those same animals are still here too.....
Brad
Evolution theory also totally violates the second law of
thermodynamics.
Oh, Jeezus H. Kee-rist, not that one again.....
<sigh> Dontcha just *love* it when some idiot who knows nothing about
science insists on telling you what's "wrong" with it? <G>
But, nobody said it was a perfect theory. As a
scientist and a Christian I'm comfortable with the fact that the Bible
and Evolution theory both agree that the Universe was created first,
the Earth was created second and people were created third. The rest
of the discussion is just bickering over the details.
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: Desperation In the Evolution Camp |
11 Nov 2003 12:24:43 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote
"Brad" <wwjd72@comcast.net> wrote
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God made everything perfectly and in doing so he had to give man free
will.
Otherwise God would have made a big board game where he makes all the
moves.
When man decided that he could do it better than God he took the same
path
as the angle satin did and it started a new path of destruction. The
world
was put here for our support and we are in competition with satin for
it's
control. Satin in turn offers us instant gratification in the hope he
will
keep our attention away from our maker and humanity spirals downward
because
we refuse to worship our maker..... our only job.
I like that description.
I was just joking about the reverse evolution idea but..... who
knows
maybe we screwed things up causing long lost species to change through
bad
breeding. Our own children are being born disfigured because of our
misuse
of the environment ...... I just think it's funny that the "THEROY" of
eve
tells us that we evolved from other animals because the environment
forced
the change yet those same animals are still here too.....
Brad
Evolution theory also totally violates the second law of
thermodynamics.
Oh, Jeezus H. Kee-rist, not that one again.....
<sigh> Dontcha just *love* it when some idiot who knows nothing about
science insists on telling you what's "wrong" with it? <G>
Isn't that what people like you said about Einstein when he proposed
that time was not a constant and that space can bend?
You have your head down in the energy equations and are overlooking
the "disorder" component of the second law.
But we debate over trivialities. Notice that I said in the beginning
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