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"Elroy Willis" |
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31 Jan 2004 11:54:41 AM |
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Destruction of the True EVE |
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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31 Jan 2004 12:46:00 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
methodios (Denny)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Destruction of the True EVE |
31 Jan 2004 06:02:33 PM |
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Amen !!
"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:401BF7E8.C8E9CC68@pemtel.net...
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
methodios (Denny)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2004 12:26:59 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:46:00 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
No more or less than you do.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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01 Feb 2004 01:42:37 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
methodios (Denny)
It's not just the fundies. If the story is metaphorical, then Adam and
Eve, by your own admission, never existed. All Christians blame the
phenomenon of death on the fall from grace. If the fall from grace never
really happened, there is no need for saviors like Jesus.
What's really perplexing here is that while the Christians blame the advent
of death in human beings on the fall from grace of Adam and Eve, they never
try to explain why other mammals of other species experience death in
exactly the same manner.
Religion is contradictory *****, Denny.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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01 Feb 2004 07:57:56 AM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
If it's just a metaphorical story, go up and read the first paragraph
up above again. It destroys the whole foundation of Christianity.
No talking snake, no fall, no need for a saviour like Jesus. Poof!
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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07 Feb 2004 03:47:32 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
If it's just a metaphorical story, go up and read the first paragraph
up above again. It destroys the whole foundation of Christianity.
No talking snake, no fall, no need for a saviour like Jesus. Poof!
Adam, which means man, and Eve, mother of all living, picture the true
human condition in its relationship to the Creator. The beguiling
serpent is a 'personification' of man's fascination with the prospect of
becoming "like God" but on his own terms apart from God. Endowed by the
Creator with free will, man chooses to turn his back to God and do it
his own way. By turning his back to God he cuts himself off from the
Source of all life itself and thus death is the inevitable consequence.
Since all created things are interrelated in this world, man is
organically and integrally part of the whole realm of nature. And thus
through man's fall, death enters the natural realm of animal life as
well. No 'talking snake'--but temptation and fall yes, with the crying
need for salvation from sin and death.
methodios (Denny)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2004 10:31:50 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:47:32 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Adam, which means man, and Eve, mother of all living, picture the true
human condition in its relationship to the Creator. The beguiling
serpent is a 'personification' of man's fascination with the prospect of
becoming "like God" but on his own terms apart from God. Endowed by the
Creator with free will, man chooses to turn his back to God and do it
his own way.
Which, since your god knew this is what he would do, wanted him to do
it.
Sorry, but free will and original sin don't exist in the same
universe.
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:55:46 AM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
If it's just a metaphorical story, go up and read the first paragraph
up above again. It destroys the whole foundation of Christianity.
No talking snake, no fall, no need for a saviour like Jesus. Poof!
Adam, which means man, and Eve, mother of all living, picture the true
human condition in its relationship to the Creator. The beguiling
serpent is a 'personification' of man's fascination with the prospect of
becoming "like God" but on his own terms apart from God. Endowed by
the Creator with free will, man chooses to turn his back to God and do it
his own way. By turning his back to God he cuts himself off from the
Source of all life itself and thus death is the inevitable consequence.
Since all created things are interrelated in this world, man is
organically and integrally part of the whole realm of nature. And thus
through man's fall, death enters the natural realm of animal life as
well. No 'talking snake'--but temptation and fall yes, with the crying
need for salvation from sin and death.
We die not because of some "fall" or sin, but because we're
animals and part of the food chain, just like all the other animals
in the world.
I think it must be that fact that causes the anti-evolution crowd
to hate evolution so much. To believe that animals die because
of some sin against some make-believe creator god is just plain
ridiculous in this day and age. We know that the dinosaurs and
other ancient animals died when man wasn't even around, so the
idea that sin causes death to enter the picture is even more
ridiculous than the idea that dead people will one day rise from
their graves and walk around town like in some mummy movie.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "George Fischer" |
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07 Feb 2004 11:41:01 PM |
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dgillesp wrote:
Adam, which means man, and Eve, mother of all living, picture the true
human condition in its relationship to the Creator. The beguiling
serpent is a 'personification' of man's fascination with the prospect of
becoming "like God" but on his own terms apart from God.
Wasn't the snake symbolic of the pagan goddess? In Sumer, Crete,
Babylon, Egypt and Greece the goddess was often represented as a
serpent. If this was the symbolism they were going for it would have
been a poke at those "evil" goddess worshiping pagans. The pagan goddess
in the Adam and Eve myth was equated with satan and it justified open
season on the goddess and her followers. Even the tree had an earlier
origin in Egyptian writings as a fig tree known as the living body of
Hathor on Earth. Eating the fruit was to eat the flesh and blood of the
goddess.
George
Endowed by the
Creator with free will, man chooses to turn his back to God and do it
his own way. By turning his back to God he cuts himself off from the
Source of all life itself and thus death is the inevitable consequence.
Since all created things are interrelated in this world, man is
organically and integrally part of the whole realm of nature. And thus
through man's fall, death enters the natural realm of animal life as
well. No 'talking snake'--but temptation and fall yes, with the crying
need for salvation from sin and death.
methodios (Denny)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Feb 2004 10:14:37 AM |
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George Fischer wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
Adam, which means man, and Eve, mother of all living, picture the true
human condition in its relationship to the Creator. The beguiling
serpent is a 'personification' of man's fascination with the prospect of
becoming "like God" but on his own terms apart from God.
Wasn't the snake symbolic of the pagan goddess? In Sumer, Crete,
Babylon, Egypt and Greece the goddess was often represented as a
serpent. If this was the symbolism they were going for it would have
been a poke at those "evil" goddess worshiping pagans. The pagan goddess
in the Adam and Eve myth was equated with satan
===>No, it was NEVER "equated with satan" IN THAT MYTH.
Only Christians who adopted the myth did that. The idea of
"Satan" as it existe in Christianity was unknown to the OT writers. -- L.
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and it justified open
season on the goddess and her followers. Even the tree had an earlier
origin in Egyptian writings as a fig tree known as the living body of
Hathor on Earth. Eating the fruit was to eat the flesh and blood of the
goddess.
George
Endowed by the
Creator with free will, man chooses to turn his back to God and do it
his own way. By turning his back to God he cuts himself off from the
Source of all life itself and thus death is the inevitable consequence.
Since all created things are interrelated in this world, man is
organically and integrally part of the whole realm of nature. And thus
through man's fall, death enters the natural realm of animal life as
well. No 'talking snake'--but temptation and fall yes, with the crying
need for salvation from sin and death.
methodios (Denny)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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01 Feb 2004 11:47:53 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:57:56 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Equally destructive to Christian theology would be the
restoration of books arbitrarily excluded from the canon, such
as the Apocalypse of Adam, in which Adam stated that he and
Eve were created together, but she was his superior! She
brought with her "a glory which she had seen in the aeon from
which we had come forth. Some of these once-sacred books
made Eve superior to both Adam and the creator. It was she,
not God, who gave Adam his soul and brought him to life. It
was she, not God, who cast down the evil deities from heaven
and made them demons. And she, as the eternal female Power,
would eventually judge the God she created, find him guilty of
injustice, and destroy him."
What we seem to be left with, in most of the current Bibles,
as far as the Genesis story, goes, are explanations for why snakes
don't have legs, and why people are afraid of snakes, and also
why women have pain in childbirth. It's all because of a talking
serpent who once had legs and could talk to people. Yeah, boy,
that's certainly believable... <cough>
That pain in childbirth couldn't be because babies have big
heads.... No way... It's because of a talking serpent who beguiled
a woman who was not surprised to find a talking serpent in her
garden...
Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were strictly an
historical account? Just because fundies do it and atheists do it, do
they also have the right to determine the guidelines of interpretation
for the vast majority of today's biblical amateur and professional
scholars who view it otherwise?
If it's just a metaphorical story, go up and read the first paragraph
up above again. It destroys the whole foundation of Christianity.
No talking snake, no fall, no need for a saviour like Jesus. Poof!
That is true. Although we disagree on whether or not
it actually happened, people who try to call it a
metaphor, are not being honest with themselves, due to
their fear of what it would mean and what they think
science has proven.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.delusionresistance.org/creation/christ_scientific_creation.html
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| Title: Re: Destruction of the True EVE -- HOW STORIES CHANGED IN THE BIBLE |
01 Feb 2004 01:36:45 PM |
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THE ORIGINAL "EVE" STORY
(How it was changed by the author of the Genesis fable)
A dispute existed between two deities: Enki and a mother goddess, called
Ninhursag. Ninhursag made eight plants sprout in a divine garden.
Then trouble came as Enki ate the plants that Ninhursag had grown. Ninhursag
pronounced a curse of death on Enki, and Enki's health began to fail.
Eight parts of Enki's body -- one for each of the eight plants that he ate --
became diseased, one of which was his rib. At first Ninhursag
disappeared so as not let sympathy for Enki change her mind about her
sentence of death upon him. But she finally relented and returned to heal
Enki.
She created eight healing deities -- eight more goddesses -- one for
each of Enki's ailing body parts. And the goddess who healed Enki's rib was
Nin-ti, a name that in Sumerian meant "lady of the rib." Interestingly, the
Sumerian word for "rib" is "ti.," but the same word also means "to make live."
So the healing deity who worked on Enki's rib was called "Nin-ti" and,
in a nice play on words, became both the "lady of the rib"
and the "lady who makes live." The Sumerian pun didn't work well in
Hebrew, in which the words for "rib" and "to make live" are quite different.
But the rib itself went into the Biblical account of the creation of Eve,
and "Eve" came to symbolize the "mother of all living."
"On another clay tablet, surviving fragments of a poem describe the gods as
having decided that humans were evil and the gods as having created a
flood "to destroy the seed of humanity," a flood that raged for seven days
and seven nights. The tablet describes a huge boat commanded by a king
named Ziusudra, who was preserving vegetation and the seed of humankind.
His boat was "tossed about by the windstorms on the great waters."
When the storm subsided, the god Utu -- the sun -- came forward and shed light
on heaven and earth. The good king Ziusudra opened a window on
the boat and let in light from Utu. Then Ziusudra prostrated himself before
Utu
and sacrificed an ox and a sheep for the god."
(After the article: "THE SUMERIANS : Writing and Religion,
Power and Politics, Paradise and a Great Flood" by Frank E. Smitha.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch01.htm
NOTE: In Sumerian the word "Eden" meant simply "fertile plain."
The word "Adam" also existed in cuneiform, meaning something like
"settlement on the plain."
See also the poem about the HULUPPU TREE, planted by the
"God of Wisdom":
"it was planted, a tree, a single tree, by the banks of the Great River,
Enki, the Father, did plant the Huluppu-tree,
The God of Wisdom, he planted it by the banks of the Euphrates,
Before he set sail, before the Father departed for the underworld"
and how "a serpent who could not be charmed
Made its nest in the roots of the Huluppu-tree.".
http://www.jelder.com/mythology/huluppa.html
The Genesis creation fables are clearly nothing but a later adaptation
and retelling of these ancient Sumerian stories, most likely transmitted
through
Babylonian priests and acquired by the Hebrews during their captivity there.
Libertarius
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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31 Jan 2004 11:21:45 PM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote:
--snip--
=Why judge an obviously metaphorical story as though it were
=strictly an historical account?
Because it's presented as a historical account, maybe?
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| User: "Lee Dimas" |
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In article <tbqn105kup9goshdekgl3jju584ek8cl0j@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
From:
http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm
"Actually, churches depend for their existence on the orthodox
myth of Eve. "Take away the snake, the fruit-tree, and the
woman from the tableau, and we have no fall, no frowning
Judge, no Inferno, no everlasting punishment - hence no need
of a Savior. Thus the bottom falls out of the whole Christian
theology.
Plus, think of all the mental health benefits. You would not have so
many people walking around that had the whole original-sin "You are
deserving of eternal punishment from the day you were born" crap taught
to them while they were growing up. How anyone could think that people
would turn out OK after being told how evil they were is beyond me.
Oh... right... that really wasn't the ultimate goal...
Lee Dimas
aa#11101111001
Surely you can figure out my address.
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