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18 Nov 2005 08:17:47 PM |
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Did Adam have a belly button ? |
Did Adam have a belly button ?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Did Adam have a belly button ? |
19 Nov 2005 06:42:31 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:17:47 -0000, Whaylin <wbratton@lviservices.com> wrote:
Did Adam have a belly button ?
He didn't need one, did he.
Gosh, this is an old, old one. I haven't heard it in years.
duke
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| User: "EagleEye" |
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| Title: Re: Did Adam have a belly button ? |
19 Nov 2005 06:50:07 AM |
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Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
When the breath of God was breathed into the nostrils of Adam, could
that have been when something new entered in as a result of the
evolution of the cerebral cortext? Something which only God could place
inside of man, into something created by God and designed to recieve
that certain spiritual breath of life?
We must read our bibles with a new mind, given us by the holy spirit,
and based in what is entirely rational IMHO.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: Did Adam have a belly button ? |
19 Nov 2005 08:01:52 AM |
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"EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
Why 'LOL'? For once you say something that makes a reasonable amount of
sense, and it gets a 'LOL'?
(Although admittedly 'LOL' still always reads to me as 'loll', so when
people use it I tend to get the image of people being sedated and going
all saggy...)
That said, I don't think it's likely that any two people would have
recognised THEMSELVES as being the first spiritually self-conscious
people - but as a metaphor or allegory written about a hypothetical
couple by someone else... Yes, I'd accept that.
When the breath of God was breathed into the nostrils of Adam, could
that have been when something new entered in as a result of the
evolution of the cerebral cortext? Something which only God could place
inside of man, into something created by God and designed to recieve
that certain spiritual breath of life?
Possibly - although I think unless we actually know what the cerebral
cortex is and what it does it's probably a good idea to lay off the
technical terminology. 'Brain' would have done quite well enough for
your suggestion here.
But otherwise, perhaps. It's not unreasonable that our tendency as a
species to look for deities is related to some development in the brain.
Certainly we are driven by a compulsion to learn, and to understand the
things around us, and it may well be that in the absence of the ability
to understand something rationally we might satisfy our lust for
knowledge by inserting a god who magically made things happen.
Problems arise when people continue using the 'magic' explanation even
after it becomes possible, either through technology or better
understanding of other phenomena, to learn the true explanation.
We must read our bibles with a new mind, given us by the holy spirit,
and based in what is entirely rational IMHO.
I'm sorry, but for a 9/11 magic-missile, controlled-demolition, fake-
airliner conspiracist to lecture anyone on rationality is just precious.
And frankly, based on your previous posts, I doubt you've had a 'humble'
opinion in your life.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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19 Nov 2005 08:51:36 AM |
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On 19 Nov 2005 04:50:07 -0800, "EagleEye"
<jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> spake thusly:
Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
If that were true, it means that the Bible is a lie
and Jesus is not who He said He is.
The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came by Adam.
If evolution is true, then lots of things lived and died
before Adam and death is a natural thing from the beginning.
It means that there was no original sin and therefore, no
Savior from original sin, which is who and what the Bible
teaches that Jesus is.
We must read our bibles with a new mind, given us by the holy spirit,
and based in what is entirely rational IMHO.
Man trying to compromise the word of God, as always.
What you mean is, "rational" by human standards. By
what's acceptible to man. We'll say what's "okay" and
what could have "really" happened, right?
Tell me, how "rational" is it to think that "the Holy Ghost"
comes and lives within you?
And while we're at it, how rational is it to believe in
a virgin birth? What about instantaneous healing?
Water into wine? Rising from the dead?
None of the Bible is "rational" by human standards,
so why try to compromise it, because you THINK
that science has proved evolution? It hasn't.
You were taught that it has, but the evidence is just not
there and lots of people believing it, doesn't make it true.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
Preaching the truth of Scripture,
from Creation to Revelation!
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But he who hates correction is stupid.
Go from the presence of a foolish man,
When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.
He who despises the word will be destroyed.
- Proverbs (assorted)
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| User: "EagleEye" |
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20 Nov 2005 10:03:19 PM |
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The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came by Adam.
Sure. Because he did something he should not have done, and ever since
then, the law of should and shouldn't has put men to death, until
Christ - recieved and taken in, and enveloped by.
Tell me, how "rational" is it to think that "the Holy Ghost"
comes and lives within you?
Entirely rational. The Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit if the Spirit of the
Universe, and the Spirit of God (see Jesus' conversation with the woman
at the well). When the barrier of separation (sin) is lifted, according
to the radical, transformative forgivenss of the cross of Jesus Christ,
why wouldn't the essential "I AM" spirit of the universe come to dwell
in cohabitation with the "little i am" of subjective self
re-establishing self as true self (child of God) in sympathetic harmony
with the resurrected life with Christ? One must consider the mind, the
heart, sould and spirit, as the throne on "I am" sits or the house in
which He dwells, and enters in by invitation and reception. We were
designed to contain this being which is Being itself. Once we are made
friends with God, it only makes sense that we would enjoy his presence
and he ours? Makes sense.
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| User: "Opie" |
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19 Nov 2005 09:48:41 AM |
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On 19 Nov 2005 04:50:07 -0800, "EagleEye"
<jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
<> Unless the creation account was allegorical and
had to do with the
<> first self consciously aware spiritual man and
woman, in which case
<> sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
<>
<> When the breath of God was breathed into the
nostrils of Adam, could
<> that have been when something new entered in as
a result of the
<> evolution of the cerebral cortext? Something
which only God could place
<> inside of man, into something created by God
and designed to recieve
<> that certain spiritual breath of life?
<>
<> We must read our bibles with a new mind, given
us by the holy spirit,
<> and based in what is entirely rational IMHO.
See, that's the problem with lame christian
mythology. You used the words "could that have
been ...". Like the rest of your message, one
really has to bend common sense to make such a
simple subject conform to a narrow paradigm.
That's the way with religion -- one has to bend
it, twist, and mix in a lot of 'supposes' so that
it fits into a little mental niche that's much
better used to store something rational. One
always has to change the problem to fit the
solution.
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Nov 2005 12:46:21 PM |
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On 19 Nov 2005 04:50:07 -0800, "EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
Nope, Adam didn't need a bellybutton.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple? |
19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 PM |
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Valid question.
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple? |
20 Nov 2005 01:31:22 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BtKff.35186$0l5.20060@dukeread06...
Valid question.
A truly meaningless question about someone that is totally nonexistent. A
worthless question even if Adam did exist.
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple? |
21 Nov 2005 07:28:14 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:284gf.8804$i7.667@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BtKff.35186$0l5.20060@dukeread06...
Valid question.
A truly meaningless question about someone that is totally nonexistent. A
worthless question even if Adam did exist.
I am pleased to see that you are coming around to the Faith in God. How you
ask? You shed a question on your own beliefs when you said:"...even if Adam
did exist." This means that you are open for the truth.
IHS,
Dennis
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| User: "Falcon" |
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20 Nov 2005 01:52:10 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:31:22 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BtKff.35186$0l5.20060@dukeread06...
Valid question.
A truly meaningless question about someone that is totally nonexistent. A
worthless question even if Adam did exist.
Pretty interesting. Here is yet another example of one who wants to
put on a show of being wise, who spurns the Bible, pretends to be
above it all and yet hangs out in religious newsgroups.
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Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Nov 2005 08:19:22 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple? |
20 Nov 2005 09:06:33 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qe11o15ti5k513o8js2ndpr59jie2ccs6p@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
That us a vaild question, but I would tend to disagree, in that the women of
today do not have one, at least not pronounced as a mans.
In His service,
Dennis
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Nov 2005 05:47:44 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:33 -0600, "Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qe11o15ti5k513o8js2ndpr59jie2ccs6p@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
That us a vaild question, but I would tend to disagree, in that the women of
today do not have one, at least not pronounced as a mans.
??
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dennis" |
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| Title: Re: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple? |
21 Nov 2005 07:22:16 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:33 -0600, "Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qe11o15ti5k513o8js2ndpr59jie2ccs6p@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
That us a vaild question, but I would tend to disagree, in that the women
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today do not have one, at least not pronounced as a mans.
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I'm sorry, I did not make myself clear. I was referring to the Adam's Apple.
I do believe thay did not have bellybuttons.
IHS,
Dennis
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Nov 2005 05:22:43 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:22:16 -0600, "Dennis" <dvickers@fidnet.com> wrote:
I'm sorry, I did not make myself clear. I was referring to the Adam's Apple.
I do believe thay did not have bellybuttons.
Women of today do not have an Adam's apple? I did not know that.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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20 Nov 2005 09:41:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
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| User: "Dennis" |
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21 Nov 2005 07:25:56 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Interesting, in that science has speculated through DNA testing of various
women around the world that they all came from a single woman. Now you are
refuting the very science that you believe makes up the bulk of your own
arguments.
How many sides do you think there are that you can switch to when you are in
a losing battle?
IHS,
Dennis
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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21 Nov 2005 04:38:18 PM |
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Dennis wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438141CE.16E77488@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:50:27 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Interesting, in that science has speculated through DNA testing of various
women around the world that they all came from a single woman.
===>How does that confirm the making of the first woman
out of a rib of a mud sculpture by an extraterrestrial named
YHWH ELOHIM? -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Nov 2005 05:18:45 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:38:18 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Interesting, in that science has speculated through DNA testing of various
women around the world that they all came from a single woman.
===>How does that confirm the making of the first woman
out of a rib of a mud sculpture by an extraterrestrial named
YHWH ELOHIM? -- L.
Then you have no basis for saying "they NEVER existed".
It's an invalid statement.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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22 Nov 2005 12:19:25 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:38:18 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Interesting, in that science has speculated through DNA testing of various
women around the world that they all came from a single woman.
===>How does that confirm the making of the first woman
out of a rib of a mud sculpture by an extraterrestrial named
YHWH ELOHIM? -- L.
Then you have no basis for saying "they NEVER existed".
===>You are grasping at straws to justify your
belief in a fairy tale. Of course all humans had mothers.
But the mud-sculpture-man ("Adam") and his spare-rib wife
are mere characters in a FABLE.
Of course those never existed. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Nov 2005 05:16:49 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:41:02 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Invalid statement: Unsupported.
duke
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Did Eve have an "Adam's" apple?. |
22 Nov 2005 10:31:07 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:41:02 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Invalid statement: Unsupported.
===>Prove it! -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Nov 2005 05:31:59 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:31:07 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:41:02 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Valid question.
Yes, but neither one had a bellybutton.
===>Neither of them had anything, since they never existed. -- L.
Invalid statement: Unsupported.
===>Prove it! -- L.
Can't - your statement is unsupported.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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19 Nov 2005 08:31:27 PM |
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in article pmsun19cdqoc967hknvmni31ocnr425tm3@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/19/05 1:46 PM:
On 19 Nov 2005 04:50:07 -0800, "EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
Nope, Adam didn't need a bellybutton.
Just like he didn't need a penis...
Paul
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Nov 2005 08:20:09 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:31:27 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
in article pmsun19cdqoc967hknvmni31ocnr425tm3@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/19/05 1:46 PM:
On 19 Nov 2005 04:50:07 -0800, "EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
Unless the creation account was allegorical and had to do with the
first self consciously aware spiritual man and woman, in which case
sure he had a bellybutton. LOL.
Nope, Adam didn't need a bellybutton.
Just like he didn't need a penis...
Paul
Sure he did.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: Did Adam have a belly button ? |
18 Nov 2005 10:00:20 PM |
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Whaylin <wbratton@lviservices.com> wrote:
Did Adam have a belly button ?
Assuming he existed, which he probably didn't, the likelihood is that he
wouldn't have, no. Why would he need an umbilical cord, having had no
mother?
Another interesting question is why men have nipples, if God designed and
created man and woman deliberately.
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| User: "Flowerchild" |
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19 Nov 2005 01:41:12 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
Whaylin <wbratton@lviservices.com> wrote:
Did Adam have a belly button ?
I liked your question Whatlin like willie, made me smile, sounded so
silly.
Assuming he existed, which he probably didn't, the likelihood is that he
wouldn't have, no. Why would he need an umbilical cord, having had no
mother?
Another interesting question is why men have nipples, if God designed and
created man and woman deliberately.
And you midj, That is very interesting! it's like God created man as
man was to be...even without a Mother, all we have was seen...right
there in the beginning... with Adam and Eve.
Im learning now, there is more to it...more to it than meets the eye
Im learning now, there is more to it...more to it than knowing why
Love is the most and glorious, af all things by and by
Of all things, all things ever known
Love is the most high
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| User: "Falcon" |
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18 Nov 2005 10:38:44 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC), Midjis
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Whaylin <wbratton@lviservices.com> wrote:
Did Adam have a belly button ?
Assuming he existed, which he probably didn't, the likelihood is that he
wouldn't have, no. Why would he need an umbilical cord, having had no
mother?
Another interesting question is why men have nipples, if God designed and
created man and woman deliberately.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_093.html
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Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "Midjis" |
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19 Nov 2005 07:41:32 AM |
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Falcon <Falcon23587@verizzon.net> wrote:
Another interesting question is why men have nipples, if God designed
and created man and woman deliberately.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_093.html
Thank you. But I actually KNOW why men have nipples. The question is why
they would have them if God had hand-crafted both male and female.
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