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"Bill M" |
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22 Aug 2006 07:14:59 PM |
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Did any real god create this? |
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and 12,000 debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions? Why
does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die of
miserable diseases? Two MILLION perfectly innocent children die of
starvation every year. Why punish millions of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this
horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill and eat other
animals to survive?
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Did any real god create this? |
23 Aug 2006 05:17:42 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Did any real god create this? |
31 Aug 2006 01:01:02 AM |
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ike milligan wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:m2NGg.3965$e9.254@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
none - zero - zilch
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Did any real god create this? |
22 Aug 2006 08:27:45 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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22 Aug 2006 09:22:05 PM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
so, there are 3 billion morons (or as you call them believers in the
all-powerful mass-murdering, child-killing sky pixie) in the world?
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Did any real god create this? |
22 Aug 2006 09:46:01 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
so, there are 3 billion morons (or as you call them believers in the
all-powerful mass-murdering, child-killing sky pixie) in the world?
Unfortunately it isnt that simple. Some believers are certainly morons
- some are quite inteligent.
Humans are complex creatures - you cant specify a human being with a
number - like IQ - lifes a bit more complicated than that.
Mark.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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23 Aug 2006 02:13:39 AM |
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Richo wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
so, there are 3 billion morons (or as you call them believers in the
all-powerful mass-murdering, child-killing sky pixie) in the world?
Unfortunately it isnt that simple. Some believers are certainly morons
- some are quite inteligent.
Humans are complex creatures - you cant specify a human being with a
number - like IQ - lifes a bit more complicated than that.
Mark.
Indeed there are intelligent theists, but they are still wrong. Because
a lot of people think something is true does not make it true.
Religion is a hangover from the age before we knew enough about the
world.
On the whole, the best scientists are atheist, and high level
scientists are about ten times as likely to be atheist as the general
populace.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Did any real god create this? |
23 Aug 2006 11:55:31 AM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
Resorting to insulting remarks only reveals your poor intellect.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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24 Aug 2006 03:53:52 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring
god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
Resorting to insulting remarks only reveals your poor intellect.
No Bill. Posting the same copy and paste complaints about what you call
"god" over and over, in other words spamming, without learning a thing from
the answers, "reveals a poor intellect".
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| User: "Bill M" |
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24 Aug 2006 01:46:28 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:cfff9$44ed7f1a$d1d89a64$23231@PRIMUS.CA...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:WL%Gg.5935$L6.4354@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring
god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
Resorting to insulting remarks only reveals your poor intellect.
No Bill. Posting the same copy and paste complaints about what you call
"god" over and over, in other words spamming, without learning a thing
from the answers, "reveals a poor intellect".
Firstly as a typical Christian you make a false claim. Secondly your Bibles
have been 'cut and pasted'
many millions of time over the centuries.
Your either have poor intellect or are a dishonest Christian.
Be honest for a change.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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23 Aug 2006 04:25:03 PM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
The human being is basically gullible and easy to mislead.
More people believing something can never make it more true.
Which raises the question. Why would such a great and benevolent creator
have such gullible children?
You know what they say, the apple never falls far from the tree.
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed in order to forgive is an evil god.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Richo" |
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23 Aug 2006 11:56:11 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
The human being is basically gullible and easy to mislead.
Sadly true.
More people believing something can never make it more true.
Of course.
Which raises the question. Why would such a great and benevolent creator
have such gullible children?
Good question.
An fellow Ausie unbeliever I see!
I'll check out your website.
Cheers, Mark.
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:59:01 AM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1156296465.513502.70270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers - so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
The human being is basically gullible and easy to mislead.
More people believing something can never make it more true.
Which raises the question. Why would such a great and benevolent creator
have such gullible children?
You know what they say, the apple never falls far from the tree.
Humans created their beliefs in such a way as to attract the masses, since that
was inherently the intention, so what's the 'big' deal ?
See if you can figure it out before your brain cease to function
altogether.
Mark.
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed in order to forgive is an evil god.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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23 Aug 2006 12:55:38 PM |
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Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers -
Informal fallacy, appeal to numbers. Your statement only proves
that there are about 3 billion followers.
so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
Yes, your inability to think clearly.
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| User: "Richo" |
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23 Aug 2006 11:52:26 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers -
Informal fallacy, appeal to numbers.
Nope.
It's a statement of fact.
It's data.
Your statement only proves
that there are about 3 billion followers.
Exactly! If I had said "3 billion people beilieve it - so it must be
true!" -THEN it would have been appeael to numbers.
As it is, it's just data.
Data is not an argument.
Here is the data again:
(1) no objective verifiable evidence for God
(2) Billions of people believe anyway.
My conlusion was "objective verifiable evidence" is pretty much
irrelavent to theistic belief.
so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
Yes, your inability to think clearly.
Ooooh! it burns it burns!
Cheers, Mark.
(proud member of S.M.A.S.H.)
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:57:02 AM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
Richo wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
No.
And yet there are about 3 Billion believers -
Informal fallacy, appeal to numbers. Your statement only proves
that there are about 3 billion followers.
There are about 1.2 billion followers of Buddha.
The Christian figure is grossly overstated anyway
and in any case meaningless
as to believe something just because a lot of other people tell you to
is arrant stupidity.
The evolutionary process gave us brains to think with
so I guess "objective
verifiable evifdence" is not the issue.
Hmmm there must be something else!
Yes, your inability to think clearly.
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:54:02 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring god
actually exists???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and 12,000 debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions? Why
does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die of
miserable diseases? Two MILLION perfectly innocent children die of
starvation every year. Why punish millions of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this
horrible way?
No of course not.
To be a religionist one must ignore all the above, wear a set of blinkers
[Blinders to our American friends] and believe without question what our
parents and the preacher we were taken to see, told us.
Religion is a desease that we catch from our parents
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill and eat other
animals to survive?
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
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| User: "Opie" |
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23 Aug 2006 09:08:53 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:14:59 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY loving and caring
god
actually exists???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and 12,000 debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions?
Why
does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die
of
miserable diseases? Two MILLION perfectly innocent children die of
starvation every year. Why punish millions of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this
horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is
the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes,
stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill and eat
other
animals to survive?
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is
things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
Don't expect an answer from a believer beyond that 'original sin' crap.
Christians don't have an answer. They live in a make-believe world of
denial.
And, quite frankly, they don't give a damn about innocent kids in
Africa. Fixing up the church is too important to leave room for such
trivialities.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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22 Aug 2006 07:55:20 PM |
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if there is a christian god, he isn't loving or caring at all, instead he is
one hell of a COLD-HEARTED *****
everyone run run run from the "loving, caring" christian sky pixie
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/wildfires.ap/index.html
DAYTON, Washington (AP) -- Nursing home residents were evacuated Tuesday
when smoke from a nearby wildfire, one of several started by lightning,
rolled across Washington.
Firefighters also faced new blazes in parts of Idaho and Oregon.
More than 75 firefighters were assigned Tuesday to the blaze outside Dayton,
Washington, which had raced across 2,500 acres -- nearly 4 square miles --
of trees, brush and wheat fields since being ignited late Monday, said Ted
Paterson, information officer for the Columbia County Emergency Operations
Center.
South of Dayton, in eastern Washington, about 80 residents along the Touchet
River were urged to leave their homes and 35 residents of a nursing home
were evacuated because of concern about the smoke, Paterson said.
No structures had burned and no injuries were reported.
The Northwest Interagency Coordination Center in Portland, Oregon,
positioned fire crews throughout Washington and Oregon as a precaution
because of dry, windy weather moving in behind Monday's storms, said
Vladimir Steblina, spokesman for the Okanogan and Wenatchee national
forests.
"Everybody is kind of waiting on pins and needles to see what happens,"
Steblina said.
The largest group of fires in Washington had blackened more than 180 square
miles of forest between the north-central towns of Winthrop and Conconully
since being started by lightning in July. Firefighters said it was 40
percent contained Tuesday.
Residents of Winthrop and Conconully had been told to be prepared for
possible evacuation.
Among the new fires in central and eastern Oregon, one was threatening the
small town of Fields. Authorities said it was burning aggressively, but
residents remained in their homes.
Firefighting resources in Oregon are stretched thin.
"For us that means we won't be receiving much outside help and will have to
do the best we can with what we have," said firefighters spokesman Jonathan
Manski. "In some cases that may mean leaving a fire unstaffed for a day or
so."
Lightning started a dozen new fires late Monday in Idaho's Boise National
Forest, including a 300-acre blaze that prompted evacuation of a nearby
public hot springs and campground, authorities reported Tuesday.
A fire eight miles west of Silver City, Idaho, that was started by lightning
Monday grew to 10,000 acres.
Fires still burn in Texas
Elsewhere, crews in West Texas were still trying to contain a wildfire that
had blackened about 7,500 acres since starting Friday. It was about 50
percent contained in rugged terrain some 85 miles west of Fort Worth.
The fire was believed to have been started by sparks from a truck riding on
a wheel rim after a tire blowout.
"Everything is just so crispy dry right now, you have a spark and there you
go," said Texas Forest Service spokeswoman Laura Polant
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