"DDBible" <DDBible@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

Not much really. What's your point?

DDBible wrote:

I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

What do you have to say about God?

In article <1123165904.851309.217530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
DDBible@hotmail.com says...

I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

This is exactly the sort of questioning you should continue with
and seek answers for.
Relating back to the real world, and see if what you are taught,
or read, makes any real sense at all.

I think your question relates more to the nature of 'God' that you
believe in?
There are 3? general interpretations of God.

1. The God of the Bible

- so called believers believe in biblical text
as being their truth, but this so called truth doesn't relate well
back to this real world in which we live. So you are going to have
a very hard time, keeping your belief in the bible, as you try to
understand the world in which we live.
There are a great number of questions which the God of the Bible
cannot answer to, satisfactorily - you mention only one of them.

2. God as being nature, science and the world around you.

What created everything in the world, including ourselves? God?
Some say - oh, yes - God did all that. And even if you don't believe,
that whatever created everything (and how this universe runs) was
due to God.
But that is only one way of looking at it.
Another way is (and this is how the original 'Jesus' taught

- which
is not included in the bible, see www.tjresearch.info) that there
is the Creation (not to be confused with 'God' or god - there being
none at all) - and creation is the process by which everything runs, and
is governed by. That Planets evolve by themselves (via the Creation)
developing life naturally - that planets which are capable of supporting
life, will eventually develop life, in their natural process (they
can also artificially develop life, greatly speeded up via interstellar
seeding - like from Galactic races exploring the universe).
Anyway the Creation does not need to have a creator at all. It is like
the analogy of there being only 'light' and not 'darkness' as such, but
merely the presence of no-light or absence of light. There is love or
the absence of love, and not love and hate, as such. The presence of
heat or the absence of heat, etc etc.

3. Any other view you wish to put forward. But I think the above covers
almost everything?

I don't believe in 1. because it is not a sane, logical and loving god.
Some people believe that god is love - well a god who destroys a human race
because they are living in sin, etc is hardly a loving god.
Nor one who kills people whenever he feels like it - whether there is any
justification in it, or not.

There comes a time in everyone's life, when you have to question everything
you learned - and make up your own mind, whether you truly believe in it,
or not? You simply cannot assume that what you are taught, is always
truthful - you must work out the logic yourself, what is true and what isn't.
Remember that science teaches the current theory (or knowledge) of the time,
and this does change and gets updated - slowly.

I personally think it is time for a radical change in the world consciousness,
because the issues of religion ought to be addressed, which are long, long,
long overdue. Religion has to be taken to task for many of it's claims,
because we can actually sort it all out now. If only people would look
over the information and answer the most basic logical questions relating
to all this. Which can be done.
The reason why it isn't, is to not upset the status quo - of the current
authorities of/in the world.
The truth is shocking and very surprising - because what we have been fed
as the truth, for so long - is not the truth at all.
For people to know the truth today, would mean a complete shift in the
power structure of the current world. Actually it would mean a much freer
world, in which there would be no limits to the knowledge people wish access
to, we would have much more technologic progress along with the spiritual
development necessary so that we could live in a golden age of peace and
understanding.

Harvey

On 4 Aug 2005 07:31:44 -0700, "DDBible"
<DDBible@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

Nothing ate meat before the Flood.

Nothing ate meat before the Flood.

On 4 Aug 2005 07:31:44 -0700, "DDBible"
<DDBible@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

Nothing ate meat before the Flood.

--

Pastor Dave

On 4 Aug 2005 07:31:44 -0700, "DDBible"
<DDBible@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

I have to admit- the fact that nature is bloody and seemingly cruel is
a stumbling block for me. Can folks here give their thoughts (and
Biblical support) for whether God created carnivores or not. If he
did...what does that say about God?

Nothing ate meat before the Flood.