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Did Jesus have long hair at the crucification? |
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
Numbers 6:1-20 (NRSV)
The Nazirites
6 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Speak to the Israelites and say
to them: When either men or women make a special vow, the vow of a
nazirite, to separate themselves to the Lord, 3 they shall separate
themselves from wine and strong drink; they shall drink no wine
vinegar or other vinegar, and shall not drink any grape juice or eat
grapes, fresh or dried. 4 All their days as nazirites they shall eat
nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the
skins.
5 All the days of their nazirite vow no razor shall come upon the
head; until the time is completed for which they separate themselves
to the Lord, they shall be holy; they shall let the locks of the head
grow long.
6 All the days that they separate themselves to the Lord they shall
not go near a corpse. 7 Even if their father or mother, brother or
sister, should die, they may not defile themselves; because their
consecration to God is upon the head. 8 All their days as naziritesc
they are holy to the Lord.
9 If someone dies very suddenly nearby, defiling the consecrated head,
then they shall shave the head on the day of their cleansing; on the
seventh day they shall shave it. 10 On the eighth day they shall bring
two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest at the entrance of
the tent of meeting, 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin
offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for
them, because they incurred guilt by reason of the corpse. They shall
sanctify the head that same day, 12 and separate themselves to the
Lord for their days as nazirites,d and bring a male lamb a year old as
a guilt offering. The former time shall be void, because the
consecrated head was defiled.
13 This is the law for the naziritese when the time of their
consecration has been completed: they shall be brought to the entrance
of the tent of meeting, 14 and they shall offer their gift to the
Lord, one male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering,
one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, one ram
without blemish as an offering of well-being, 15 and a basket of
unleavened bread, cakes of choice flour mixed with oil and unleavened
wafers spread with oil, with their grain offering and their drink
offerings. 16 The priest shall present them before the Lord and offer
their sin offering and burnt offering, 17 and shall offer the ram as a
sacrifice of well-being to the Lord, with the basket of unleavened
bread; the priest also shall make the accompanying grain offering and
drink offering. 18 Then the naziritesf shall shave the consecrated
head at the entrance of the tent of meeting, and shall take the hair
from the consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice
of well-being. 19 The priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when
it is boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one
unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the palms of the nazirites,
after they have shaved the consecrated head. 20 Then the priest shall
elevate them as an elevation offering before the Lord; they are a holy
portion for the priest, together with the breast that is elevated and
the thigh that is offered. After that the nazirites may drink wine.
Jesus refuses to take the wine even though he has tasted wine. What
stops Him from drinking the wine in the light of the fact that in
other passages it says that Jesus himself said he was thirsty unless
at the time of the crucification Jesus was in the period of a
Nazirities vow.
Matthew 27:33-35 (NRSV)
33 And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means Place of
a Skull), 34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall; but when
he tasted it, he would not drink it. 35 And when they had crucified
him, they divided his clothes among themselves by casting lots;
Mark 15:22-24 (NRSV)
22 Then they brought Jesusd to the place called Golgotha (which means
the place of a skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh;
but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him, and divided his
clothes among them, casting lots to decide what each should take.
(I dare say most of us would of drank as much as we could of that pain
killing brew)
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02 Mar 2004 02:30:41 PM |
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"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
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Interesting and possible conclusion however don't forget that He had just
celebrated Passover with His disciples and appears to have shared the cup
with them. Also remember the wedding feast where He made wine from
water. There is no mention of Him being a nazarite. It was a daily
occurrence for
a Jew to drink wine. There was nothing negative associated with it....only
with
drunkenness. I wonder if there were any nazarites left in Yeshua's time.
I doubt that on the cross, the offering of wine allowed even a small amount
to
be swallowed. It was offered on a sponge to moisten the lips and mouth.
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02 Mar 2004 01:31:00 PM |
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(martus) writes:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say,
`He has a demon'; the Son of man came eating and drinking,
and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend
of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified
by her deeds." [Matt 11:18-19 RSV]
Doesn't look to me like Jesus was a Naziritie. What's the
point of keeping the vow, if you routinely break the Sabbath?
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02 Mar 2004 02:46:05 PM |
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"melikamp" <jplsp@web.portal.starts.with.y> wrote in message
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marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) writes:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say,
`He has a demon'; the Son of man came eating and drinking,
and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend
of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified
by her deeds." [Matt 11:18-19 RSV]
Doesn't look to me like Jesus was a Naziritie. What's the
point of keeping the vow, if you routinely break the Sabbath?
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| User: "martus" |
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03 Mar 2004 01:35:33 AM |
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"Nobody special" <geneodell@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ho61c.167143$uV3.715425@attbi_s51>...
"melikamp" <jplsp@web.portal.starts.with.y> wrote in message
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marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) writes:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say,
`He has a demon'; the Son of man came eating and drinking,
and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend
of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified
by her deeds." [Matt 11:18-19 RSV]
Doesn't look to me like Jesus was a Naziritie. What's the
point of keeping the vow, if you routinely break the Sabbath?
--
Mel
www.melikamp.net
Most Nazarite vows were only for set periods of time decided on by the
individuals not for life times. During those times they neither
touched grape products or cut their hair.
At the last supper Jesus as far as I know did not drink the wine or
eat the bread as it was mankind that needed the forgiveness and not
Jesus needing His own forgiveness.
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02 Mar 2004 02:47:11 PM |
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"melikamp" <jplsp@web.portal.starts.with.y> wrote in message
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marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) writes:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say,
`He has a demon'; the Son of man came eating and drinking,
and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend
of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified
by her deeds." [Matt 11:18-19 RSV]
Doesn't look to me like Jesus was a Naziritie. What's the
point of keeping the vow, if you routinely break the Sabbath?
--
Mel
www.melikamp.net
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Great reply, Mel. I had forgotten that passage.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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02 Mar 2004 01:21:20 PM |
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===>What is a "crucification"???
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06 Mar 2004 09:03:19 AM |
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Another point I wish to bring up about the long hair is that the
negative image (one of a kind) of the man that many believe is Jesus
burnt on the shroud of Turin also has shoulder length hair.
There are many theories to how that image got there but the bible
clearly shows that Jesus could become so energised with the power of
God that Jesus shone, at the resurrection when Jesus was brought back
to life this energy that brought Him back to life also burnt an image
on the shroud.
Matthew 17:1-4 (NRSV)
The Transfiguration
17 Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother
John and led them up a high mountain, by themselves. 2 And he was
transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his
clothes became dazzling white. 3 Suddenly there appeared to them Moses
and Elijah, talking with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is
good for us to be here; if you wish, Ia will make three
dwellingsbhere, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote in message news:<511a49a.0403011929.3f0144ed@posting.google.com>...
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
Numbers 6:1-20 (NRSV)
The Nazirites
6 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Speak to the Israelites and say
to them: When either men or women make a special vow, the vow of a
nazirite, to separate themselves to the Lord, 3 they shall separate
themselves from wine and strong drink; they shall drink no wine
vinegar or other vinegar, and shall not drink any grape juice or eat
grapes, fresh or dried. 4 All their days as nazirites they shall eat
nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the
skins.
5 All the days of their nazirite vow no razor shall come upon the
head; until the time is completed for which they separate themselves
to the Lord, they shall be holy; they shall let the locks of the head
grow long.
6 All the days that they separate themselves to the Lord they shall
not go near a corpse. 7 Even if their father or mother, brother or
sister, should die, they may not defile themselves; because their
consecration to God is upon the head. 8 All their days as naziritesc
they are holy to the Lord.
9 If someone dies very suddenly nearby, defiling the consecrated head,
then they shall shave the head on the day of their cleansing; on the
seventh day they shall shave it. 10 On the eighth day they shall bring
two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest at the entrance of
the tent of meeting, 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin
offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for
them, because they incurred guilt by reason of the corpse. They shall
sanctify the head that same day, 12 and separate themselves to the
Lord for their days as nazirites,d and bring a male lamb a year old as
a guilt offering. The former time shall be void, because the
consecrated head was defiled.
13 This is the law for the naziritese when the time of their
consecration has been completed: they shall be brought to the entrance
of the tent of meeting, 14 and they shall offer their gift to the
Lord, one male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering,
one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, one ram
without blemish as an offering of well-being, 15 and a basket of
unleavened bread, cakes of choice flour mixed with oil and unleavened
wafers spread with oil, with their grain offering and their drink
offerings. 16 The priest shall present them before the Lord and offer
their sin offering and burnt offering, 17 and shall offer the ram as a
sacrifice of well-being to the Lord, with the basket of unleavened
bread; the priest also shall make the accompanying grain offering and
drink offering. 18 Then the naziritesf shall shave the consecrated
head at the entrance of the tent of meeting, and shall take the hair
from the consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice
of well-being. 19 The priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when
it is boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one
unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the palms of the nazirites,
after they have shaved the consecrated head. 20 Then the priest shall
elevate them as an elevation offering before the Lord; they are a holy
portion for the priest, together with the breast that is elevated and
the thigh that is offered. After that the nazirites may drink wine.
Jesus refuses to take the wine even though he has tasted wine. What
stops Him from drinking the wine in the light of the fact that in
other passages it says that Jesus himself said he was thirsty unless
at the time of the crucification Jesus was in the period of a
Nazirities vow.
Matthew 27:33-35 (NRSV)
33 And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means Place of
a Skull), 34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall; but when
he tasted it, he would not drink it. 35 And when they had crucified
him, they divided his clothes among themselves by casting lots;
Mark 15:22-24 (NRSV)
22 Then they brought Jesusd to the place called Golgotha (which means
the place of a skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh;
but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him, and divided his
clothes among them, casting lots to decide what each should take.
(I dare say most of us would of drank as much as we could of that pain
killing brew)
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02 Mar 2004 09:31:13 PM |
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Apparently someone her has no clue of the difference between a Nazarite and
a Nazarene.
Jesus was not the former but the later.
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
Numbers 6:1-20 (NRSV)
The Nazirites
6 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Speak to the Israelites and say
to them: When either men or women make a special vow, the vow of a
nazirite, to separate themselves to the Lord, 3 they shall separate
themselves from wine and strong drink; they shall drink no wine
vinegar or other vinegar, and shall not drink any grape juice or eat
grapes, fresh or dried. 4 All their days as nazirites they shall eat
nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the
skins.
5 All the days of their nazirite vow no razor shall come upon the
head; until the time is completed for which they separate themselves
to the Lord, they shall be holy; they shall let the locks of the head
grow long.
6 All the days that they separate themselves to the Lord they shall
not go near a corpse. 7 Even if their father or mother, brother or
sister, should die, they may not defile themselves; because their
consecration to God is upon the head. 8 All their days as naziritesc
they are holy to the Lord.
9 If someone dies very suddenly nearby, defiling the consecrated head,
then they shall shave the head on the day of their cleansing; on the
seventh day they shall shave it. 10 On the eighth day they shall bring
two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest at the entrance of
the tent of meeting, 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin
offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for
them, because they incurred guilt by reason of the corpse. They shall
sanctify the head that same day, 12 and separate themselves to the
Lord for their days as nazirites,d and bring a male lamb a year old as
a guilt offering. The former time shall be void, because the
consecrated head was defiled.
13 This is the law for the naziritese when the time of their
consecration has been completed: they shall be brought to the entrance
of the tent of meeting, 14 and they shall offer their gift to the
Lord, one male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering,
one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, one ram
without blemish as an offering of well-being, 15 and a basket of
unleavened bread, cakes of choice flour mixed with oil and unleavened
wafers spread with oil, with their grain offering and their drink
offerings. 16 The priest shall present them before the Lord and offer
their sin offering and burnt offering, 17 and shall offer the ram as a
sacrifice of well-being to the Lord, with the basket of unleavened
bread; the priest also shall make the accompanying grain offering and
drink offering. 18 Then the naziritesf shall shave the consecrated
head at the entrance of the tent of meeting, and shall take the hair
from the consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice
of well-being. 19 The priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when
it is boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one
unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the palms of the nazirites,
after they have shaved the consecrated head. 20 Then the priest shall
elevate them as an elevation offering before the Lord; they are a holy
portion for the priest, together with the breast that is elevated and
the thigh that is offered. After that the nazirites may drink wine.
Jesus refuses to take the wine even though he has tasted wine. What
stops Him from drinking the wine in the light of the fact that in
other passages it says that Jesus himself said he was thirsty unless
at the time of the crucification Jesus was in the period of a
Nazirities vow.
Matthew 27:33-35 (NRSV)
33 And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means Place of
a Skull), 34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall; but when
he tasted it, he would not drink it. 35 And when they had crucified
him, they divided his clothes among themselves by casting lots;
Mark 15:22-24 (NRSV)
22 Then they brought Jesusd to the place called Golgotha (which means
the place of a skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh;
but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him, and divided his
clothes among them, casting lots to decide what each should take.
(I dare say most of us would of drank as much as we could of that pain
killing brew)
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On 1 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0800, (martus) wrote in
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The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair.
That's what Jesus did. However, the founder of Christianity, the
Turkish Terrorist Paul, didn't like it. That's why he wrote:
"Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is
degrading to him" (1 Corinthians 11:14).
Koibito
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pray to Jesus everyday that the Evil Scum spend the
rest of eternity in Hell. Praise the lord Jesus!
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02 Mar 2004 02:45:33 PM |
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<koibito@sikat.ph> wrote in message
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On 1 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0800, (martus) wrote in
<511a49a.0403011929.3f0144ed@posting.google.com>:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair.
That's what Jesus did. However, the founder of Christianity, the
Turkish Terrorist Paul, didn't like it. That's why he wrote:
"Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is
degrading to him" (1 Corinthians 11:14).
Koibito
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I'm happy Jesus destroyed all the Evil Scum and I
pray to Jesus everyday that the Evil Scum spend the
rest of eternity in Hell. Praise the lord Jesus!
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What evil scum? If you continue to curse others you are lost.
Yeshua taught us to love those that hate and despitefully use us.
Hate evil, not the evil doer.
There is Long hair and then there is "Long hair". Shoulder length
was the norm in Yeshua's time. Way down the back was feminine.
Not much different than today, eh?
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On 1 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0800, (martus) wrote:
< they did not cut their hair.
If he had long hair it was an afro.
The bible says he had hair like sheep's wool.
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In the mind of Christ,
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"The Last Church" <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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On 1 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0800, (martus) wrote:
< they did not cut their hair.
If he had long hair it was an afro.
The bible says he had hair like sheep's wool.
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The bible says no such thing. It describes His hair
being as sheep's wool and other ways He will appear
at His coming. If you are of the opinion that the Jews
were black, you will find no support for that theory.
Egyptian monuments clearly show 'Habiru' captives
with semetic features. Curley black hair is one of them.
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:39:45 GMT, "Nobody special"
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<"The Last Church" <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
<> If he had long hair it was an afro.
<> The bible says he had hair like sheep's wool.
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"Nobody special"wrote:
<The bible says no such thing. It describes His hair
<being as sheep's wool
Take a look, that is exactly what I said.
< He will appear
<at His coming.
Christ never left but for a few seconds, if at all.
<If you are of the opinion that the Jews
<were black, you will find no support for that theory.
My friend Jews come in all colors. It is a black tribe that
holds the ark of the covenant in africa.
<Egyptian monuments clearly show 'Habitue' captives
<with semetic features. Curley black hair is one of them.
Curly is not sheep's wool. And it doesn't matter what race or color
of skin Jesus had
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02 Mar 2004 04:47:20 PM |
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"The Last Church" <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:39:45 GMT, "Nobody special"
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<"The Last Church" <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
<> If he had long hair it was an afro.
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Afros are worn by "Africans". If you did not mean that then
I stand corrected.
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<> The bible says he had hair like sheep's wool.
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"Nobody special"wrote:
<The bible says no such thing. It describes His hair
<being as sheep's wool
Take a look, that is exactly what I said.
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You cut my comments without mention, making it
appear that I was agreeing with you. I do not.
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< He will appear
<at His coming.
Christ never left but for a few seconds, if at all.
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Ah, now I see your error. I thought you were a Christian
and knew scripture.
Scripture tells us that His disciples watched Him ascend
into Heaven. It doesn't say He came right back. Strange
belief for a Christian.
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<If you are of the opinion that the Jews
<were black, you will find no support for that theory.
My friend Jews come in all colors. It is a black tribe that
holds the ark of the covenant in africa.
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Did I say otherwise? Those who claim to have the
Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia, however, are Christians.
Yes, there are are Ethopian Jews. There are also 2 other
tribes in central and Southern Africa who are Jewish.
Their claim has been verified with DNA tests from the
Kohanim.
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<Egyptian monuments clearly show 'Habiru' captives
(I corrected 'Habiru' which I had mispelled.)
<with semetic features. Curley black hair is one of them.
Curly is not sheep's wool. And it doesn't matter what race or color
of skin Jesus had
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Of course it doesn't, but your 'Afro' comment led me to
believe that you are one of those who claim that the Jews
were black. I think you should have understood what I
was saying to you without this poor attempt at a 'slight'.
So, I guess that you believe that Yeshua appeared in
His time on earth as described in scripture? and that
He just popped up to heaven, if at all, for a very short
time? that He is then living among us and the scripture
means something other than what it appears to say?
Or maybe He lived a natural life on Earth after His
resurection and died a natural death.?
Actually, the scripture you refer to is speaking of the
Father, not Yeshua, unless you believe they are one and
the same. The description of Yeshua at His return is:
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a
white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called
Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge
and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on
his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name
written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped
in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven
followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen,
white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule
them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress
of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh
a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[NO White Wolly Hair]
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the
Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow,
and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
[was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.
b'Shemo
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:47:20 GMT, "Nobody special"
<geneodell@comcast.net> wrote:
<You cut my comments without mention, making it
<appear that I was agreeing with you. I do not.
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You do and posted the same thing I did.
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<> Christ never left but for a few seconds, if at all.
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<Scripture tells us that His disciples watched Him ascend
<into Heaven. It doesn't say He came right back. Strange
<belief for a Christian.
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The RCC bible is not the word of God nether is the KJ.
Anything man touches he corrupts but the spirit of Christ
can not be corrupted.
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<>
<> <If you are of the opinion that the Jews
<> <were black, you will find no support for that theory.
<>
<> My friend Jews come in all colors. It is a black tribe that
<> holds the ark of the covenant in africa.
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<Did I say otherwise?
Yes you said Jesus could not be Black skinned. Or to be more
exact "If you are of the opinion that the Jews
were black, you will find no support for that theory."
There are black jews.
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<Yes, there are are Ethopian Jews. There are also 2 other
<tribes in central and Southern Africa who are Jewish.
<Their claim has been verified with DNA tests from the
<Kohanim.
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< that He is then living among us and the scripture
<means something other than what it appears to say?
<Or maybe He lived a natural life on Earth after His
<resurection and died a natural death.?
The spirit of Christ has been on this earth from the birth of man
and will always be here.
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<Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a
<white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called
Was called Good drugs. See bottom of post:
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The Riddle of 666.
First of all, it MUST BE remembered that this is openly said to be a
riddle that no one proclaiming to be a Christian will fathom!
They forgot that it's a riddle.
There is no number of the beast as thought of by most Christians.
Clue to the riddle. 6-6-6 is the atomic/ carbon/ number for man.
GO LOOK at it. It shows this: (cxV) instead of (CXF).
If anyone anywhere in the area wanted to write 600, 60 and 6 (666)
they would have written: C X F.
Now, these are NOT numbers - yet the riddle says "The number, a
number." Why would the riddle-writer write this wrong? Because it IS a
riddle.
Esoteric traditions always played tricks with letters. Does this word,
as it is written, xes, spell or mean anything in Greek or Hebrew? It
would be pronounced KHKSS (kh-ks-s). No. Well, it doesn’t spell or
mean anything in Greek OR in Hebrew. HOWEVER, if you read the letters
backwards AS IF they are Roman alphabet (Catholic) letters, then it
DOES mean something in LATIN: SEX! The Latin word "sex" meant the urge
or sex-force (Doctrine: Kundalini). Sex backwards: sex force reversed,
reverse kundalini flow. Logos (Kundalini) was considered to be rooted
in the Waters of Life (Demiurge, your own physical Root IN you) and
the shooting upward of this force was known as Logos. The "Waters" are
the Root of the Tree of Life - "the Waters" is the same word in our
BAPHE (Baphe Metis) or the Babylonian BAHU MID. Same word. Does it
have a meaning now? YES.
But why call this a number of man? CARBON LIFE - which we are,
consists of 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. The ATOMIC
structure - remember the Atomists were a Hellenic school of thought
that predated Jesus by hundreds of years. We can’t say what these
ancient geniuses knew or didn’t know especially since wars and
organized Christianity wiped out 90% of their writings! What was
inside the atom was considered to be Bahu or Demiurge - the WATERS (of
life!). 666 could be considered to be the number of LIFE ITSELF. Zohar
states that "All wild beasts have this." The Demiurge was said by the
Orphics to have within it 6 colors that spin that are like unto water,
it is the smallest component of matter, animate OR inanimate,
surrounded by a Rotundum (round thing) and is the strongest thing or
force in the Cosmos. I find it hard to believe that the 20th Century
genius that discovered what’s in the nucleus of the atom and called it
quarks, did NOT know these doctrines: he picked colors for them that
were the SAME colors the ancients talked about (This is not to say
that quarks can be seen having colors. It’s just that the genius that
discovered it NAMED THEM BY THE SAME COLORS - Did he choose those
colors by accident? They are Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Magenta, and
Cyan.
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"Orthodox Christians assembled the Bible not to bring all the gospels
together, but rather to hide the truth. From the plethora of Christian
gospels, Bishop Irenaeus compiled the first list of biblical writings
that resemble today's New Testament around 180 C.E. By 393 and 397,
Bishop Athanasius had a similar list ratified by the Church councils
of Hippo and Carthage. By prohibiting and burning any other writings,
the Catholic Church eventually gave the impression that this Bible and
its four canonized Gospels represented the only original Christian
view. And yet, as late as 450, Theodore of Cyrrhus said that there
were at least 200 different gospels circulating in his own diocese.
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia now admits that the "idea of a complete
and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the
beginning... has no foundation in history."
"You know, it's very interesting to think of the history of
Christianity. During the first five centuries, there were lots of
Christianity's, lots of ways of being Christian. And then, in the
period of Theodosius in the fourth century, the only religion allowed
in the Roman Empire was the Christian religion, and the only form of
Christianity allowed in the Roman Empire was the Christianity of
Byzantium's throne."
"From the very first centuries, what was to become Christian orthodoxy
vehemently suppressed those Christians of psychic, shaman, or
visionary temperament called the Gnostic s. The authorities of the
early institutional Church soon established a strict orthodoxy of
doctrine against to which all contrary views were stigmatized as
heretical. When in 313 the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the
official state religion, attempting to syncretize it with various
sun-god cults, Christianity was left to deal with the many cults that
swarmed within the Roman Empire. The monotheistic zeal to convert and
eradicate the diversity of polytheism gave the Church an authoritarian
character that has plagued the West ever since with schisms, councils,
inquisitions, and witch-hunts..."
"It may truly be said that the blackest and bloodiest records that
history can show us are the attacks of the Orthodox Church upon the
Gnostic mystics."
"The persecuted primitive Church of the second century was to become
in the fourth century itself the persecutor, and whereas in the
earlier period Gnostic s had been able to engage in theological
dispute
with the orthodox, later they were sought out, excommunicated, and
sometimes burnt alive for their heresy."
"... Christians burned down one of the world's greatest libraries in
Alexandria, said to have housed 700,000 rolls. All the books of the
Gnostic Basilides, Porphyry's 36 volumes, papyrus rolls of 27 schools
of the Mysteries, and 270,000 ancient documents gathered by Ptolemy
Philadelphus were burned. Ancient academies of learning were closed.
Education for anyone outside of the Church came to an end..."
"When the great library at Alexandria was ransacked by Christian
fanatics in 387... an inestimable wealth of gnostic literature must
have been destroyed. Until the nineteenth century the main source of
knowledge of Gnosticism was, ironically, in the writings of the Church
Fathers, who in their refutations summarized gnostic texts and often
quoted at length from them.
In the nineteenth and present centuries a number of original gnostic
texts came to light, the most sensational find being an entire library
of fifty-two texts discovered at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt in 1946.
These, scholars later ascertained, had belonged to an ascetic
Christian community which, fearing discovery by the ecclesiastical
authorities and the consequences of being charged with heresy, had
sealed up their forbidden library in a large jar and buried it in the
sand beneath a cliff near their monastery in about the year 360."
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"With the exception of seven letters by Paul and the Revelation to
an otherwise unknown John, the writings selected for inclusion in the
New Testament were not written by those whose names are attached to
them. Many modern Christians find this fact difficult to comprehend,
if not downright unnerving. The problem seems to be that, if so,
someone must have been lying. (and they were)
A better way to understand this phenomenon is to realize (1) that
most literature of the early Christian period was written anonymously,
(2) that the concept of an apostolic age was a second-century
creation, and (3) that the later attribution of this literature to
names associated with apostles can be explained in ways that show it
was not considered dishonest. One helpful observation is that
anonymous authorship of writings intended for use in social
institutions such as schools, temples, and royal bureaucracies was
standard practice in the scribed traditions of the ancient Near East.
Another is that, in the early period of collecting lore, interpreting
teachings, and trying out new ideas fit for the novel groupings
spawned by the Jesus movements, many minds, voices, and hands were in
on the drafting of written materials. No one thought to take credit
for writing down community property even though authorial creativity
is everywhere in evidence. Even the earliest collections of teachings
and stories about Jesus, such as the Sayings Gospel Q, the Gospel of
Thomas, and the little sets of anecdotes and miracle stories from the
pre-Markan tradition bear the marks of literacy and creativity, though
none was signed by an author.
As for the later attribution of anonymous literature to known
figures of the past, that also was a standard practice during the
Greco-Roman period.
Striking examples of the latter are the two letters said to have been
written by Peter, both of which are clearly second-century creations."
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Drugs and the church:
I have perused several compendiums of the drugs used by
the early Christian Church (as we now call it). If memory
serves, John Allegro was invited to be part of the team deciphering
the Dead Sea Scrolls. The more he dug into the Essenes the more he
understood that they used psychotropic drugs to enable spiritual
enlightenment.
We find many accounts of the Eucharist existing as a
initiation ceremony, and never do we actually find just bread or
just wine being used. There are paintings by the Cathars and other
esoteric groups of Jesus pointing up to Heaven with one hand and down
to the ground with the other. At his feet are a large variety of
psychotropic plants. There are many depictions of Jesus and John the
Tishbite in or around vats of boiling water. What was in the kettle?
It was, the Ambrosia, the Elixer, the Soma!
Remember the reaction of Moses to the incident of the
symbol of Atabyrius (the Golden Calf)? He GROUND IT UP, BOILED
IT AND MADE THE ISRAELITES DRINK IT. And after this the masses began
having such acute visions and powers that the deity had to reaffirm
to them that Moses, Aaron and Miriam were still his chosen
intercessors with the masses for to interpret his personal
instructions.
I remember watching William Hurt in his first major
movie: Altered States. Here he plays scientist Eddie Jessup who
experiences a shamans initiation ceremony in Mexico wherein he
ingests hallucinatory mushrooms in dried form and also in a
brewed tea. As I sat there with my companion I tried to relate that
Cortez had described the same ceremony in which the Aztecs claimed
that the mushroom was both the sacred bread and body of God, and
the tea was both sacred liquor and blood.
There are a large and growing number of scholars who have
decided that the early Christians were a mushroom cult, with the
Last Supper rites being repeated as an initiation ceremony.
The BLOOD of the God was offered as
mulled wine after the wine harvest, and honied
wheat-beer after the grain harvest. This blood-wine
was spiked with poppy flowers (Opiates), mushrooms,
Syrian Rue and any other psychotropic substance
they could get their hands on.
In Hurt's movie Altered States he takes the experience
one step further by ingesting the mushroom before placing
himself in a suspended animation isolation chamber. Deprived of
sound, sight and almost all feeling he just floats in a salt-water
brine solution in this coffin. Have you ever heard of the thick
coating of brine found on the inside of ancient sarcophaguses,
including the one in the Great Pyramid? When attempting to PRAY
Jesus always removed himself to a dark, isolated place.
He advised his disciples that if they wished to pray, they should
find a closet so dark and quiet that they could perceive nothing
other than their own thoughts and breath.
Let not your right hand know what your left hand is
doing!
(Jesus to Peter): "If you want to know their blindness,
PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR EYES (followed by)
YOUR ROBE, and say what you see."
(Peter writes): But when I had done it, I did not see
anything. I said, "No one sees (this way)."
(Jesus): "Do it again."
(Peter writes): And there came in me fear with joy, for
I SAW A NEW LIGHT GREATER THAN THE LIGHT OF DAY.
How then was Peter seeing with his eyes closed, and
what was he perceiving?
Close your eyes and look within the dark cloud of your
own ego for a small white dove. Catch it. Discover your waiting
Bride and the nature of the Wedding Chamber!
Join the Christ-Mass waiting for you at the top of the
Christmass Tree as the ONE and only DAY STAR!
Drugs have always been a part of our history and religion
is no exception. How ever you get there the kingdom of God
is with in.
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In the mind of Christ,
Michael
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leading the blind...
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus have long hair at the crucification? |
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On 1 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0800, (martus) wrote:
The Nazirities made vows to dedicate themselves to God and in that
period of that vow they did not cut their hair. When that period was
over they cut their hair and drank wine if they so chose.
Numbers 6:1-20 (NRSV)
The Nazirites
6 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Speak to the Israelites and say
to them: When either men or women make a special vow, the vow of a
nazirite, to separate themselves to the Lord, 3 they shall separate
themselves from wine and strong drink; they shall drink no wine
vinegar or other vinegar, and shall not drink any grape juice or eat
grapes, fresh or dried. 4 All their days as nazirites they shall eat
nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the
skins.
5 All the days of their nazirite vow no razor shall come upon the
head; until the time is completed for which they separate themselves
to the Lord, they shall be holy; they shall let the locks of the head
grow long.
6 All the days that they separate themselves to the Lord they shall
not go near a corpse. 7 Even if their father or mother, brother or
sister, should die, they may not defile themselves; because their
consecration to God is upon the head. 8 All their days as naziritesc
they are holy to the Lord.
9 If someone dies very suddenly nearby, defiling the consecrated head,
then they shall shave the head on the day of their cleansing; on the
seventh day they shall shave it. 10 On the eighth day they shall bring
two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the priest at the entrance of
the tent of meeting, 11 and the priest shall offer one as a sin
offering and the other as a burnt offering, and make atonement for
them, because they incurred guilt by reason of the corpse. They shall
sanctify the head that same day, 12 and separate themselves to the
Lord for their days as nazirites,d and bring a male lamb a year old as
a guilt offering. The former time shall be void, because the
consecrated head was defiled.
13 This is the law for the naziritese when the time of their
consecration has been completed: they shall be brought to the entrance
of the tent of meeting, 14 and they shall offer their gift to the
Lord, one male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering,
one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, one ram
without blemish as an offering of well-being, 15 and a basket of
unleavened bread, cakes of choice flour mixed with oil and unleavened
wafers spread with oil, with their grain offering and their drink
offerings. 16 The priest shall present them before the Lord and offer
their sin offering and burnt offering, 17 and shall offer the ram as a
sacrifice of well-being to the Lord, with the basket of unleavened
bread; the priest also shall make the accompanying grain offering and
drink offering. 18 Then the naziritesf shall shave the consecrated
head at the entrance of the tent of meeting, and shall take the hair
from the consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice
of well-being. 19 The priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when
it is boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one
unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the palms of the nazirites,
after they have shaved the consecrated head. 20 Then the priest shall
elevate them as an elevation offering before the Lord; they are a holy
portion for the priest, together with the breast that is elevated and
the thigh that is offered. After that the nazirites may drink wine.
Jesus refuses to take the wine even though he has tasted wine. What
stops Him from drinking the wine in the light of the fact that in
other passages it says that Jesus himself said he was thirsty unless
at the time of the crucification Jesus was in the period of a
Nazirities vow.
Matthew 27:33-35 (NRSV)
33 And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means Place of
a Skull), 34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall; but when
he tasted it, he would not drink it. 35 And when they had crucified
him, they divided his clothes among themselves by casting lots;
Mark 15:22-24 (NRSV)
22 Then they brought Jesusd to the place called Golgotha (which means
the place of a skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh;
but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him, and divided his
clothes among them, casting lots to decide what each should take.
(I dare say most of us would of drank as much as we could of that pain
killing brew)
There is no evident indication whether Jesus maintained His Nazarite
vow up to the time of His crucifixion. There can be several
explanations for why He refused to drink at the very end. He might not
have wanted His senses dulled during the last moments of t his
super-intimate time with His Father.
There is no mention that He refused to imbibe during His earthly
ministry, such as the event during which He turned the water into
wine.
In fact, several passages DO suggest that our Lord partook.
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