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"Bible John" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:47:31 AM |
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Did Jesus really come back in 1914? |
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
Can any JW explain this verse?
[Ac 3:21] He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore
everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
Looking at the verse in Context it is referring to Jesus who has not yet come
back.
John
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| User: "Milan" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:15:44 PM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour. This was the first time I met such weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2 and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades, and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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14 Oct 2005 05:09:16 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3raekeFhrpd1U1@individual.net...
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began
his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago,
a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour. This was the first time I met such
weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2
and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades,
and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
=================
That's because the vast majority of them are so poorly educated. All they
know is what they read in the WTS rags and books.
--
DeeDee....
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952 vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)
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| User: "Bible John" |
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| Title: Re: Did Jesus really come back in 1914? |
14 Oct 2005 04:36:24 PM |
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In article <3raekeFhrpd1U1@individual.net>, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour.
I dont find it necessary to name call them. But it is true that they
are wolves in sheeps clothing.
This was the first time I met such weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2 and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades, and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
regards
Milan
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the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:12:10 PM |
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Bible John wrote:
In article <3raekeFhrpd1U1@individual.net>, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour.
I dont find it necessary to name call them. But it is true that they
are wolves in sheeps clothing.
===>ALL missionaries are.
Regardless of denomination. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:47:19 PM |
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Milan wrote:
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour. This was the first time I met such weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2 and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades, and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
regards
Milan
===>Ignoramuses are the best prospects for conversion. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:10:40 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Milan wrote:
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour. This was the first time I met such weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2 and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades, and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
regards
Milan
===>Ignoramuses are the best prospects for conversion. -- L.
I wasn't aware you converted.... (kidding)
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:09:35 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Milan wrote:
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
Where do they fid this in scripture?
I didnt know that the JW freaks said anything of the sort. Many years ago, a
couple of JW freaks knocked on my door and they spouted their hilarious
rubbish for about half and hour. This was the first time I met such weirdos
and I had a ball, really. I recall that one of the things they told me was
that in 1914 Satan came to earth, and that's why we had WW1 and then WW2 and
the world "went mad", they said. They had not heard about the crusades, and
the 30-year war, and the 100-year war and the Franco-Prussian war and all
the other ones. I told them and they looked baffled. They really believed
that before 1914 the world was sort of a peaceful place.
regards
Milan
===>Ignoramuses are the best prospects for conversion. -- L.
I wasn't aware you converted.... (kidding)
--Carl
===>But YOU did! (NOT kidding). -- L.
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| User: "DeElder Expoza" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:12:34 PM |
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"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.comPDA> wrote in message
news:1129308451_2941@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
$$ He's not doing a good job ruling then since it's business-as-usual here
on earth.
Where do they fid this in scripture?
Can any JW explain this verse?
$$ The GB pulled it out of their hat and claimed the 'spirits' told them he
returned in 1914. Most people think these spirits are really Jack Daniel's.
;-)
[Ac 3:21] He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore
everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
$$ But the WTSs GB believe they're ABOVE Jehovah because of all the "spirit
communication" going on up at Bethel in NY.
Looking at the verse in Context it is referring to Jesus who has not yet
come
back.
$$ They don't look at anything in context. Try having a WT (non) bible
study with then and you'll see what I mean.
DeeDee.......
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:44:59 PM |
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Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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14 Oct 2005 03:59:22 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43500ABB.67A5D4A1@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began
his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an
invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
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And yet they'll laugh at people who believe in invisible ghosts, invisible
unicorns and wood fairies, witches and werewolves, invisible leprechauns....
--
DeeDee...
"True, there have been those in times past who
predicted an 'end of the world,' even announcing a specific date...The 'end'
did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was
missing?...Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that
he was guiding and using them." Awake October 8, 1968, p. 23
NOTE: But when THEY predicted the end and it never came - that was
different?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:08:38 PM |
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Cracklin' wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43500ABB.67A5D4A1@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began
his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free,
300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an
invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
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And yet they'll laugh at people who believe in invisible ghosts, invisible
unicorns and wood fairies, witches and werewolves, invisible leprechauns....
===>Well, those are someone else's invisibles. -- L.
--
DeeDee...
"True, there have been those in times past who
predicted an 'end of the world,' even announcing a specific date...The 'end'
did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was
missing?...Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that
he was guiding and using them." Awake October 8, 1968, p. 23
NOTE: But when THEY predicted the end and it never came - that was
different?
===>They failed to add that it would happen INVISIBLY.
JWs should send thousands of invisible dollars to their
very visible leaders who fool them with those predictions.
If they had not hidden themselves behind religion, they
would be in jail! -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:14:16 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
I thought you said you converted?
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:10:45 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
I thought you said you converted?
--Carl
===>You should try avoiding such weird thoughts. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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15 Oct 2005 07:51:52 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
I thought you said you converted?
--Carl
===>You should try avoiding such weird thoughts. -- L.
Not as weird as hanging out in the Christian newsgroups when you are an
atheist.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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16 Oct 2005 11:25:04 AM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Bible John wrote:
According to Jevovah Witness theology Jesus Christ came back and began his
invisible rule over the earth in 1914 AD (The Truth Shall Make you Free, 300).
===>Ah, the return of an invisible son of an invisible god, ruling an invisible
kingdom, sitting on an invisible throne.
Oh, well.......
I thought you said you converted?
--Carl
===>You should try avoiding such weird thoughts. -- L.
Not as weird as hanging out in the Christian newsgroups when you are an
atheist.
===>I am not "hanging out", nor am I an "atheist", whatever you mean
by that word.
Your thought processes need some adjusting. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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16 Oct 2005 01:40:44 PM |
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Ok, are you a Christian, then?
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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16 Oct 2005 04:45:41 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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16 Oct 2005 07:45:58 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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17 Oct 2005 03:16:53 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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17 Oct 2005 07:39:27 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
So why are you lurking in Christian groups? (he asks again)
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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17 Oct 2005 09:51:03 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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18 Oct 2005 12:07:30 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
So when you confess the eternity of the cosmos.... you have answered my
question. It's quite a leap of faith. I conclude that you are quite
religious, just not Christian. You have a set of beliefs based on both
written and oral histories, some of which require faith in order to
believe.
It's a religion alright.
Take care,
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' god |
18 Oct 2005 05:16:34 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
So when you confess the eternity of the cosmos.... you have answered my
question. It's quite a leap of faith.
===>It is NOT a matter of "faith" to see that
what exists today has existed before in some form,
nor that nothing comes from nothing.
It is called EXTRAPOLATION.
I conclude that you are quite
religious, just not Christian.
===>You conclude that because you are much too
narrow minded to think there can be another alternative.
You have a set of beliefs based on both
written and oral histories,
===>NONSENSE.
some of which require faith in order to
believe.
===>More nonsense.
It's a religion alright.
Take care,
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
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| User: "stone" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' god |
17 Nov 2005 08:03:21 PM |
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Libertarius wrote in message <43557442.525A3A9D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
So when you confess the eternity of the cosmos.... you have answered my
question. It's quite a leap of faith.
===>It is NOT a matter of "faith" to see that
what exists today has existed before in some form,
nor that nothing comes from nothing.
It is called EXTRAPOLATION.
I conclude that you are quite
religious, just not Christian.
===>You conclude that because you are much too
narrow minded to think there can be another alternative.
You have a set of beliefs based on both
written and oral histories,
===>NONSENSE.
some of which require faith in order to
believe.
===>More nonsense.
It's a religion alright.
Take care,
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
Psalms 50:16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to
declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
Psalms 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind
thee.
Psalms 50:19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
Psalms 50:21 These [things] hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou
thoughtest that I was altogether [such an one] as thyself: [but] I will
reprove thee, and set [them] in order before thine eyes.
Psalms 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear [you] in
pieces, and [there be] none to deliver.
Psalms 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth
[his] conversation [aright] will I shew the salvation of God.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' god |
18 Nov 2005 05:49:29 PM |
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What kind of nonsense is this?
Were you REALLY "stoned" when you wrote it? -- L.
stone wrote:
Libertarius wrote in message <43557442.525A3A9D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
So when you confess the eternity of the cosmos.... you have answered my
question. It's quite a leap of faith.
===>It is NOT a matter of "faith" to see that
what exists today has existed before in some form,
nor that nothing comes from nothing.
It is called EXTRAPOLATION.
I conclude that you are quite
religious, just not Christian.
===>You conclude that because you are much too
narrow minded to think there can be another alternative.
You have a set of beliefs based on both
written and oral histories,
===>NONSENSE.
some of which require faith in order to
believe.
===>More nonsense.
It's a religion alright.
Take care,
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
Psalms 50:16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to
declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
Psalms 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind
thee.
Psalms 50:19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
Psalms 50:21 These [things] hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou
thoughtest that I was altogether [such an one] as thyself: [but] I will
reprove thee, and set [them] in order before thine eyes.
Psalms 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear [you] in
pieces, and [there be] none to deliver.
Psalms 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth
[his] conversation [aright] will I shew the salvation of God.
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| User: "Grace" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' god |
19 Nov 2005 08:11:43 PM |
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Before I gave birth to my child I had no understanding of the depths of
pain that was involved. I spoke with those who were mothers and they
told me about the pain they experienced, but that didn't even come
close to the actual experience. I asked my mother why she didn't tell
me how bad it was and her response was "I did." That is how God is.
Expericence is the only way to know God. He is wonderful and that
doesn't even come close. Once you know God, it is very easy to accept
what is impossible to our finite minds.. God has always been and He
never changes. He spoke the world into existance because He is all
powerful, all knowing, all present. God has always been and He never
changes. After you know Christ Jesus as your personal savior, it is
easy to believe that He can make something out of nothing. I am living
proof.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' god. |
20 Nov 2005 10:04:16 PM |
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Grace wrote:
Before I gave birth to my child I had no understanding of the depths of
pain that was involved. I spoke with those who were mothers and they
told me about the pain they experienced, but that didn't even come
close to the actual experience. I asked my mother why she didn't tell
me how bad it was and her response was "I did." That is how God is.
===>Ah, a pain in the...?
I see. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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| Title: Libertarius' faith |
20 Oct 2005 12:07:47 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Ok, are you a Christian, then?
===>A recovered christoholic. -- L.
So do you confess Jesus Christ as Lord of all?
===>Confess that a non-existent deity,
invented by a renegade, paganized Roman
pseudo-Jew named Saul/Paul of Tarsus. is
the "Lord of all"???
Are you NUTS?
Are you stuck in the world of Feudalism, looking for
a "lord"???
The Cosmos is ALL THERE IS, EVER WAS OR
EVER WILL BE. There's no "lord" over the "all". -- L.
And THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT is why I said you are an atheist. Actually
you aren't you are more of a pantheist or into scientism as your god.
===>Enough of your stupid guesses.
I am NONE of those. -- L.
So when you confess the eternity of the cosmos.... you have answered my
question. It's quite a leap of faith.
===>It is NOT a matter of "faith" to see that
what exists today has existed before in some form,
nor that nothing comes from nothing.
Ha! Says you, right?
It is called EXTRAPOLATION.
I conclude that you are quite
religious, just not Christian.
===>You conclude that because you are much too
narrow minded to think there can be another alternative.
Narrow, in that I am not as willing to believe in such wild things as
you do. Yes. I believe one should not open his mind so far that his
brain falls out.
You have a set of beliefs based on both
written and oral histories,
===>NONSENSE.
Then what? Revalation or all discoveries thanks to you?
some of which require faith in order to
believe.
===>More nonsense.
You look around and extrapolate eternity without proof. That's a lot of
faith.
It's a religion alright.
Take care,
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
This coming from the greatest "leaper" of faith. You look at the
universe today and say it has always been there, yet you have no proof.
Cheers!
--Carl
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' faith |
20 Oct 2005 05:56:27 PM |
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Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
This coming from the greatest "leaper" of faith. You look at the
universe today and say it has always been there, yet you have no proof.
Cheers!
--Carl
===>You BELIEVE it came from nothing, though you've never seen
any nothing turning into something. So you invent another non-observable
entity who, you claim, made it all out of nothing.
I see EVERYTHING becoming "something out of something else", and
that that's the way it has been as far as we can trace things, so I conclude
that is the WAY OF NATURE.
Prove that you can have something from nothing and I will reconsider. -- L.
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| User: "Carl Walther" |
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| Title: Re: Libertarius' faith |
20 Oct 2005 10:16:03 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Carl Walther wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
===>Only a religious nut can believe that EVERYONE
must be "religious" is some way. -- L.
This coming from the greatest "leaper" of faith. You look at the
universe today and say it has always been there, yet you have no proof.
Cheers!
--Carl
===>You BELIEVE it came from nothing, though you've never seen
any nothing turning into something. So you invent another non-observable
entity who, you claim, made it all out of nothing.
I see EVERYTHING becoming "something out of something else", and
that that's the way it has been as far as we can trace things, so I conclude
that is the WAY OF NATURE.
Prove that you can have something from nothing and I will reconsider. -- L.
Just look around. You don't believe there was ever a beginning? You
don't believe there was a starting place? That's not even in the
neighborhood of logical. Your hypothesis is just a way of getting
around the inevitable: "Creation has a creator". By putting your head
in the sand and saying "I see it now... therefore it has always been
there" is just a convenient way to get around "a beginning".
You have way more faith than the people you call "NUTS".
Where did it all come from? Won't you even guess? Or is it easier to
hide in your convenient "it has always been there" shell?
--Carl
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