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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:00:51 +1100, "Andrew W"

<nosp@m_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:44:03 +1100, "Andrew W"

<nosp@m_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

You don't know that either.

In one part of the scriptures it implies that he would return in his own
lifetime.

Where does it imply that? Where would he return from? If this is
what you're referring to:

I meant to say in the lifetime of the apostles.

Inerrancy of Prophecy #2: Several quotes, all with the meaning that
Jesus' Second Coming was supposed to happen during the lifetime of the
Apostles:

MATTHEW 16 (KJV)
16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

1 THESSALONIANS 4:15 (NIV)
According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that WE WHO ARE STILL
ALIVE, WE WHO ARE LEFT till the coming of the Lord, will certainly
not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Hebrews 10 (NIV)
36
You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you
will receive what he has promised.

37
For in just a VERY LITTLE WHILE, "He who is coming will come and WILL
NOT DELAY.

JAMES 5:8 (KJV)
Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord
DRAWETH NIGH.

I PETER 4:7 (KJV)
But the END OF ALL THINGS IS AT HAND: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto
prayer.

I JOHN 2:18 (KJV)
Little children, it is the LAST TIME: and as ye have heard that antichrist
shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is
the last time.

REVELATION (KJV)
1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things which must SHORTLY COME TO PASS; and he sent and
signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the TIME IS AT HAND.

3:11
Behold, I COME QUICKLY: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man
take thy crown.

22:7
Behold, I COME QUICKLY: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the
prophecy of this book.

22:12
And, behold, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every
man according as his work shall be.

22:20
He which testifieth these things saith, SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

and finally, these two taken together:

MATTHEW 10:23 (NIV)
When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I TELL YOU THE
TRUTH, YOU WILL NOT FINISH GOING THROUGH THE CITIES OF ISRAEL BEFORE THE SON
OF MAN COMES.

COLOSSIANS 1:23 (NIV)
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope
held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and THAT HAS BEEN
PROCLAIMED TO EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN, and of
which I, Paul, have become a servant.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:53:27 GMT,

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:05:43 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:37:16 GMT,

The idea is to make available a good life after death, which would be
good imo.

In order for there to be a *good* life after death, there has to *be*
a life after death - which there isn't.

You don't know that. If there is then some people could know it,
but there is no way for anyone to know if there isn't.

Ok, enlighten us, dh_ld. What objective means could a disinterested
third party learn about this life after death that people speak about?

Also, as an FYI, Al Klein actually died at one point, so he's been
"there" so to speak. On what do you base your assertion for the
possibility of an afterlife?