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User: "Bible John"
Date: 12 Jul 2006 01:03:01 AM
Object: Did one of you write this to CERM?
First Name : Tim
URL : http:www.tgm.org
Your church denomination : non-denominational
Comment : Two(retorical) questions: 1. How can you write slanderous
material about what Word of Faith Ministers teach when you have never
attended even one of their meetings? 2. Under which of the 5-fold ministries
does the ministry of straightening everybody els
--
I have attended Word of faith churches. Bethel Church of Redding is one
example.
The bible makes it cleear in many passages that we are to correct and rebuke
those tha teach false doctrine (2 Tim 4:2-4). It also makes clear that we
are to be Burean like Christians as shown in Acts 17:11. The Bureans tested
Paul with the scriptures, and so must we. We need to test those that teach.
John
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User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 03:44:53 AM
In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

. We need to test those that teach.

John

We did
You're nuts
+CERM is a money scam raising cash for someone who is a middle class work
shy brat
Did we miss anything?
nuff said
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 11:24:35 AM
Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:


. We need to test those that teach.

John


We did

You're nuts

+CERM is a money scam raising cash for someone who is a middle class
work shy brat

Did we miss anything?

"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are very
low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but entry
level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at McDonalds and
this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug or
alcohol recovery program.
.
User: "Bible John"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 11:42:05 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are
very low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but
entry level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at
McDonalds and this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug or
alcohol recovery program.

I am not longer working in HomeCare and have not done so since last
November. I am working in Printing and have done so since Febuary.
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User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 16 Jul 2006 01:56:04 AM
In article <1152721910_55615@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...


"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are
very low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but
entry level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at
McDonalds and this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug or
alcohol recovery program.


I am not longer working in HomeCare and have not done so since last
November. I am working in Printing and have done so since Febuary.

Have you found a job as an ink roller perhaps?
Can't imagine you being any use for any other purpose in that industry
.


User: "SongBookz"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 12:00:41 PM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:


. We need to test those that teach.

John


We did

You're nuts

+CERM is a money scam raising cash for someone who is a middle class
work shy brat

Did we miss anything?


"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are
very low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but
entry level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at
McDonalds and this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug or
alcohol recovery program.

My wife is in healthcare and has been for over 23 years in the same
facility. While, there is truth to what you say about low play, the rest is
completely prejudicial. Where she works, you cannot work there with any
police record, nor would you be allowed near the residents while in a drug
or alcohol program. And not taking proper care of the residents will find
you on the other side of the door.
--
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 06:24:20 PM
SongBookz wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:


. We need to test those that teach.

John


We did

You're nuts

+CERM is a money scam raising cash for someone who is a middle class
work shy brat

Did we miss anything?


"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into
are very low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held
anything but entry level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble
holding a job at McDonalds and this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug
or alcohol recovery program.


My wife is in healthcare and has been for over 23 years in the same
facility. While, there is truth to what you say about low play, the
rest is completely prejudicial. Where she works, you cannot work
there with any police record, nor would you be allowed near the
residents while in a drug or alcohol program. And not taking proper
care of the residents will find you on the other side of the door.

Move to anyplace within a 100 mile radius of the area Bible John lives in
and you will find he is the norm and not the exception. I live about 70
miles south of there.
.
User: "Bible John"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 13 Jul 2006 12:34:33 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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SongBookz wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

Move to anyplace within a 100 mile radius of the area Bible John lives in
and you will find he is the norm and not the exception. I live about 70
miles south of there.

How do you know where I live at? Where do I live at?


.
User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 16 Jul 2006 02:02:43 AM
In article <1152768101_4057@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ewftg.48024$VE1.22455@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

SongBookz wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

Move to anyplace within a 100 mile radius of the area Bible John lives in
and you will find he is the norm and not the exception. I live about 70
miles south of there.


How do you know where I live at? Where do I live at?

hopefully somewhere around Betelgeuse
Thank you Lord!
++++++++++++++++++++++++
.




User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 16 Jul 2006 01:57:30 AM
In article <7n9tg.118948$H71.2469@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Bree wrote:

In article <1152683562_51435@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:


. We need to test those that teach.

John


We did

You're nuts

+CERM is a money scam raising cash for someone who is a middle class
work shy brat

Did we miss anything?


"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are very
low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but entry
level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at McDonalds and
this is the only thing left for them.
Chances are good that they and or their spouse is at best in a drug or
alcohol recovery program.

And I am sure most of them would be better able to work out when their
clients bum needs wiping than Johnny Wolf appears to be!
.

User: "Whosoever"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 11:58:53 AM
Mike Painter wrote:

"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are very
low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but entry
level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at McDonalds and
this is the only thing left for them.

That's patently untrue. I've been involved in the healthcare industry
on and off for the last 27 years from everything as a Paramedic to
working at the corporate level and I have three bachelor's degrees. My
spouse works currently as a home-health caregiver and retired five
years ago after working as a manager for an international corporation
famous for it's electronic components and innovations. She took her
current position as a caregiver because she has the gift of hospitality
and compassion - not because she is poorly educated and has nothing
else better to do. Granted, there are people in healthcare who
shouldn't be (John Wolf is a perfect example), but for the most part
those who do it are there because they want to help others.
Just because the people you "run into" are "low income, very poorly
educated and have rarely held anything but entry level jobs" doesn't
mean the entire industry is filled with these types. Indeed, the
people you "run into" are the minority - and doesn't say much about
those you keep company with.
.
User: "Bible John"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 01:00:59 PM
"Whosoever" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1152723533.740745.96400@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...


Mike Painter wrote:

"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are
very
low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but entry
level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at McDonalds
and
this is the only thing left for them.


Get back in my killfile

That's patently untrue. I've been involved in the healthcare industry
on and off for the last 27 years from everything as a Paramedic to
working at the corporate level and I have three bachelor's degrees. My
spouse works currently as a home-health caregiver and retired five
years ago after working as a manager for an international corporation
famous for it's electronic components and innovations. She took her
current position as a caregiver because she has the gift of hospitality
and compassion - not because she is poorly educated and has nothing
else better to do. Granted, there are people in healthcare who
shouldn't be (John Wolf is a perfect example), but for the most part
those who do it are there because they want to help others.

Just because the people you "run into" are "low income, very poorly
educated and have rarely held anything but entry level jobs" doesn't
mean the entire industry is filled with these types. Indeed, the
people you "run into" are the minority - and doesn't say much about
those you keep company with.


.

User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 16 Jul 2006 02:00:15 AM
In article <1152723533.740745.96400@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Whosoever" <ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into are very
low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held anything but entry
level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble holding a job at McDonalds and
this is the only thing left for them.


That's patently untrue. I've been involved in the healthcare industry
on and off for the last 27 years from everything as a Paramedic to
working at the corporate level and I have three bachelor's degrees. My
spouse works currently as a home-health caregiver and retired five
years ago after working as a manager for an international corporation
famous for it's electronic components and innovations. She took her
current position as a caregiver because she has the gift of hospitality
and compassion - not because she is poorly educated and has nothing
else better to do. Granted, there are people in healthcare who
shouldn't be (John Wolf is a perfect example), but for the most part
those who do it are there because they want to help others.

Just because the people you "run into" are "low income, very poorly
educated and have rarely held anything but entry level jobs" doesn't
mean the entire industry is filled with these types. Indeed, the
people you "run into" are the minority - and doesn't say much about
those you keep company with.

Oh and in addition
A sincere thankyou to both of you for your dedication
.

User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 06:21:46 PM
Whosoever wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

"middle class"? The vast majority of healthcare people I run into
are very low income, very poorly educated and have rarely held
anything but entry level jobs. Chances are good they had trouble
holding a job at McDonalds and this is the only thing left for them.


That's patently untrue. I've been involved in the healthcare industry
on and off for the last 27 years from everything as a Paramedic to
working at the corporate level and I have three bachelor's degrees.
My spouse works currently as a home-health caregiver and retired five
years ago after working as a manager for an international corporation
famous for it's electronic components and innovations. She took her
current position as a caregiver because she has the gift of
hospitality and compassion - not because she is poorly educated and
has nothing else better to do. Granted, there are people in
healthcare who shouldn't be (John Wolf is a perfect example), but for
the most part those who do it are there because they want to help
others.

Just because the people you "run into" are "low income, very poorly
educated and have rarely held anything but entry level jobs" doesn't
mean the entire industry is filled with these types. Indeed, the
people you "run into" are the minority - and doesn't say much about
those you keep company with.

As I said, "the vast majority I run into" are. There may be exceptions but
I've been involved in a number of fields related to the business and for the
most part it is as I described.
I've been involved in EMS off and on since 1961, work with gleaners (where
the healthcare person comes through to get food), have been closely related
to an answering service that answers for the business that provides these
employees and have spent a lot of time on crisis calls where the person is
disabled. I've also been involved with Independent Living groups and had to
listen to their horror stories.
Around here about the only exceptions I've seen are when the wives of three
of the quads I know were 99% involved in giving the care because they were
not willing to farm it out.
In this area all the ambulances are ALS so the paramedics see it a lot. If
you worked in a mixed environment you may not have seen it much since it is
a BLS transport.
.
User: "Bible John"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 13 Jul 2006 12:32:37 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:euftg.48022$VE1.17735@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Whosoever wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:


As I said, "the vast majority I run into" are. There may be exceptions but
I've been involved in a number of fields related to the business and for
the most part it is as I described.

Cant keep a job Mike?

I've been involved in EMS off and on since 1961, work with gleaners (where
the healthcare person comes through to get food), have been closely
related to an answering service that answers for the business that
provides these employees and have spent a lot of time on crisis calls
where the person is disabled. I've also been involved with Independent
Living groups and had to listen to their horror stories.

Around here about the only exceptions I've seen are when the wives of
three of the quads I know were 99% involved in giving the care because
they were not willing to farm it out.

In this area all the ambulances are ALS so the paramedics see it a lot. If
you worked in a mixed environment you may not have seen it much since it
is a BLS transport.


.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 13 Jul 2006 07:46:28 AM
"Bible John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Whosoever wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:



As I said, "the vast majority I run into" are. There may be exceptions
but I've been involved in a number of fields related to the business and
for the most part it is as I described.


Cant keep a job Mike?

Wow - That's just plain mean.
I've had several different jobs in my 20+ years of work experience, but have
never been fired. You?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.


User: "Whosoever"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 06:32:29 PM
Mike Painter wrote:

In this area all the ambulances are ALS so the paramedics see it a lot. If
you worked in a mixed environment you may not have seen it much since it is
a BLS transport.

I've worked rural and urban EMS in both ALS and BLS capacities - so
I've seen alot from pretty much every angle. I can't say I've seen it
all (as you know, "seeing it all" changes every shift you work! ;-),
but I've definitely seen alot.
Criticism of health care workers is obviously a pet-peeve of mine - and
for good reasons. Yes, there are still really lousy caregivers in the
industry, but thank goodness that is finally changing. People are more
aware, know their rights better, and the local, state, and federal
government has really helped in making health care more accountable.
NCQA guidelines (thank you Hillary Clinton!) have had alot to do with
this and I'm glad for it.
.




User: "Bree"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 04:03:12 AM
Dear Lord
Please beam up John Wolf and put him in orbit around Betelgeuse until he
comes to his senses - that the whole world may enjoy the joy you have (in
thine infinite wisdom) bestowed upon the good people of Pasadena
In Jesus Name
Amen
-------------------------------
VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!
____________________
Thar she blows - in orbit round Betelgeuse at last - the +CERM Thunderbolt
NASA - eat your heart out!
============>-->
=============++CERM++++>
============>-->
* ---(Betelgeuse)
________________________________________________________
.


User: "Bible Bob"

Title: Re: Did one of you write this to CERM? 12 Jul 2006 06:48:44 AM
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:03:01 -0700, "Bible John"
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:

First Name : Tim
URL : http:www.tgm.org
Your church denomination : non-denominational
Comment : Two(retorical) questions: 1. How can you write slanderous
material about what Word of Faith Ministers teach when you have never
attended even one of their meetings? 2. Under which of the 5-fold ministries
does the ministry of straightening everybody els


--

I have attended Word of faith churches. Bethel Church of Redding is one
example.

The bible makes it cleear in many passages that we are to correct and rebuke
those tha teach false doctrine (2 Tim 4:2-4). It also makes clear that we
are to be Burean like Christians as shown in Acts 17:11. The Bureans tested
Paul with the scriptures, and so must we. We need to test those that teach.

John

John,
If you are going to speak against false teaching; don't false teach to
do it. Where does it say in Acts 17:11 that they "tested" Paul or
anyone else? It does not. It says:
Acts 17:11 KJV
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they
received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the
scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
You spelled Bible wrong. You spelled clear wrong. You spelled Berean
wrong, twice.
You teach false doctrine. Consider yourself rebuked and corrected.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
.


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