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"Provoker" |
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04 Jun 2007 01:28:38 PM |
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Did you know that according to the bible... |
....God's only begotten son was Solomn?
There are many who have become sons of God, in spirit, by their faith,
but only one man was actually made God's son by God himself, and that
one man was Solomon.
The reason that this biblical fact is never mentioned in church is
because it would become all too obvious that Solomon was the one and
only person in the bible who actually owned **all** of these titles;
"son of David", "son of God", "Son of man", and "messiah", and then
the unanswerable question of why Jesus appears to have had those
titles, would have to be answered.
It is quite simple however, if one reads the bible for it's story of
continuity, and not simply for the single verses which have "prove"
his preconceived beliefs.
The gospel, which was preached first to Abraham as an everlasting
promise, is that a great nation, on all the land between the Euphrates
and the river of Egypt, will bring the blessing of **peace on earth**
to all nations.
Since God cannot lie, the gospel will be fulfilled exactly as God
promised it to Abraham, so the great nation of God's promise, must
exist on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of Egypt, in
order for gospel fulfillment to take place. That is precisely why
Jesus came preaching the gospel that the kingdom of God's promise is
coming.
Unless God is a liar, His promised gospel kingdom will exist
specificly on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of
Egypt, so it's existence in Jesus' day would have required the
overthrow of the Roman empire. The Romans found it expedient to
change the kingdom which existed as a hope in hearts and minds, to a
kingdom which has already come, in hearts and minds. I'm sure that
the Romans never imagined that their subterfuge would still be as
strong as ever more than 1500 years in the future.
Solomon was the last king of God's chosen nation when it fell into non-
existence, and since the chosen nation must be resurrected from the
dead in order to fulfill God's gospel promise, the one who ascends the
throne of the resurrected kingdom will receive, by imputation,
Solomon's titles; Son of David, son of God, messiah, son of man, etc,
etc.
The gospel which God preached first to Abraham, was obviously still
being preached by Paul, because it was Paul who explained that
Abraham's children are those who believe the gospel preached first to
Abraham.
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council of Nicea in 325.
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| User: "Roger Pearse" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
08 Jun 2007 03:45:27 AM |
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On 4 Jun, 19:28, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council ofNiceain 325.
No such events occurred at the Council of Nicaea, tho.
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
08 Jun 2007 08:34:34 AM |
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Hello Roger:
The event which occurred at the first ecumenical council of Nicea, is
that existing doctrines were accepted, or rejected, for universal
orthodoxy, by democratic vote. The issue here is not the events of
Nicea, but whether the doctrines which were made orthodox at that
council., were true doctrines or not.
When you see the word "Nicea", it does not mean that you must
automaticly turn off your logic and morph into a Nicean
apologist...LOL
On Jun 8, 4:45 am, Roger Pearse <roger_pea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Jun, 19:28, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council ofNiceain 325.
No such events occurred at the Council of Nicaea, tho.
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Roger Pearse" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
15 Jun 2007 01:58:35 PM |
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On 8 Jun, 14:34, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Roger:
The event which occurred at the first ecumenical council of Nicea, is
that existing doctrines were accepted, or rejected, for universal
orthodoxy, by democratic vote.
No, this is not so. I have already given you a link to every ancient
discussion of the council; which of them says what you have just
said? If none, why did you say it?
The issue here is not the events of Nicea...
But before all else, surely the raw facts need to be clear?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
On Jun 8, 4:45 am, Roger Pearse <roger_pea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Jun, 19:28, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council ofNiceain 325.
No such events occurred at the Council of Nicaea, tho.
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
09 Jun 2007 03:48:24 PM |
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Provoker wrote:
Hello Roger:
The event which occurred at the first ecumenical council of Nicea, is
that existing doctrines were accepted, or rejected, for universal
orthodoxy, by democratic vote. The issue here is not the events of
Nicea, but whether the doctrines which were made orthodox at that
council., were true doctrines or not.
When you see the word "Nicea", it does not mean that you must
automaticly turn off your logic and morph into a Nicean
apologist...LOL
===>Mr. High Horse Roger will never stop doing that.
Like Don Quxote, he is ready to fight every windmill
in protection of "the Faith". -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
11 Jun 2007 07:55:29 AM |
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Hello Lib:
I wish Roger would fight(debate), but he appears to think that simply
offering unqualified accusations, and then hiding, is better than
discussion.
On Jun 9, 4:48 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
wrote:
===>Mr. High Horse Roger will never stop doing that.
Like Don Quxote, he is ready to fight every windmill
in protection of "the Faith". -- L.
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| User: "old man joe" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
04 Jun 2007 05:00:43 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:28:38 -0000, Provoker <provoker42@gmail.com>
wrote:
...God's only begotten son was Solomn?
There are many who have become sons of God, in spirit, by their faith,
but only one man was actually made God's son by God himself, and that
one man was Solomon.
The reason that this biblical fact is never mentioned in church is
because it would become all too obvious that Solomon was the one and
only person in the bible who actually owned **all** of these titles;
"son of David", "son of God", "Son of man", and "messiah", and then
the unanswerable question of why Jesus appears to have had those
titles, would have to be answered.
It is quite simple however, if one reads the bible for it's story of
continuity, and not simply for the single verses which have "prove"
his preconceived beliefs.
The gospel, which was preached first to Abraham as an everlasting
promise, is that a great nation, on all the land between the Euphrates
and the river of Egypt, will bring the blessing of **peace on earth**
to all nations.
Since God cannot lie, the gospel will be fulfilled exactly as God
promised it to Abraham, so the great nation of God's promise, must
exist on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of Egypt, in
order for gospel fulfillment to take place. That is precisely why
Jesus came preaching the gospel that the kingdom of God's promise is
coming.
Unless God is a liar, His promised gospel kingdom will exist
specificly on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of
Egypt, so it's existence in Jesus' day would have required the
overthrow of the Roman empire. The Romans found it expedient to
change the kingdom which existed as a hope in hearts and minds, to a
kingdom which has already come, in hearts and minds. I'm sure that
the Romans never imagined that their subterfuge would still be as
strong as ever more than 1500 years in the future.
Solomon was the last king of God's chosen nation when it fell into non-
existence, and since the chosen nation must be resurrected from the
dead in order to fulfill God's gospel promise, the one who ascends the
throne of the resurrected kingdom will receive, by imputation,
Solomon's titles; Son of David, son of God, messiah, son of man, etc,
etc.
The gospel which God preached first to Abraham, was obviously still
being preached by Paul, because it was Paul who explained that
Abraham's children are those who believe the gospel preached first to
Abraham.
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council of Nicea in 325.
quiet Gnostic and quiet erroneous. " "For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son ... " Joh. 3:16 that is Jesus
Christ, not Solomon
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" believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved "
Acts 16:31
" and as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed."
Acts 13:48
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: Did you know that according to the bible... |
05 Jun 2007 07:30:20 AM |
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hello joe:
Of course, that is orthodox teaching, but according to the whole bible
story, the coming messiah will only receive the title of "the only
begotten son of God" when he succeeds Solomon on the throne of his
father David.
The bible phrasing is confusing because scripture was interpreted and
paraphrased from a Saducee point of view, and the Saducees did not
want the kingdom resurrected from the dead. It was the Pharisees who
believed in the resurrection, even though they were not committed
enough to fight for kingdom resurrection.
On Jun 4, 6:00 pm, old man joe <n...@home.com> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:28:38 -0000, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com>
wrote:
...God's only begotten son was Solomn?
There are many who have become sons of God, in spirit, by their faith,
but only one man was actually made God's son by God himself, and that
one man was Solomon.
The reason that this biblical fact is never mentioned in church is
because it would become all too obvious that Solomon was the one and
only person in the bible who actually owned **all** of these titles;
"son of David", "son of God", "Son of man", and "messiah", and then
the unanswerable question of why Jesus appears to have had those
titles, would have to be answered.
It is quite simple however, if one reads the bible for it's story of
continuity, and not simply for the single verses which have "prove"
his preconceived beliefs.
The gospel, which was preached first to Abraham as an everlasting
promise, is that a great nation, on all the land between the Euphrates
and the river of Egypt, will bring the blessing of **peace on earth**
to all nations.
Since God cannot lie, the gospel will be fulfilled exactly as God
promised it to Abraham, so the great nation of God's promise, must
exist on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of Egypt, in
order for gospel fulfillment to take place. That is precisely why
Jesus came preaching the gospel that the kingdom of God's promise is
coming.
Unless God is a liar, His promised gospel kingdom will exist
specificly on all the land between the Euphrates and the river of
Egypt, so it's existence in Jesus' day would have required the
overthrow of the Roman empire. The Romans found it expedient to
change the kingdom which existed as a hope in hearts and minds, to a
kingdom which has already come, in hearts and minds. I'm sure that
the Romans never imagined that their subterfuge would still be as
strong as ever more than 1500 years in the future.
Solomon was the last king of God's chosen nation when it fell into non-
existence, and since the chosen nation must be resurrected from the
dead in order to fulfill God's gospel promise, the one who ascends the
throne of the resurrected kingdom will receive, by imputation,
Solomon's titles; Son of David, son of God, messiah, son of man, etc,
etc.
The gospel which God preached first to Abraham, was obviously still
being preached by Paul, because it was Paul who explained that
Abraham's children are those who believe the gospel preached first to
Abraham.
The gospel must have been changed after the death of the apostles, and
the "new" gospel made "orthodox" at the council of Nicea in 325.
quiet Gnostic and quiet erroneous. " "For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son ... " Joh. 3:16 that is Jesus
Christ, not Solomon
************************************************
" believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved "
Acts 16:31
" and as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed."
Acts 13:48- Hide quoted text -
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