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12 Jan 2005 12:15:34 PM |
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Different Religions... |
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Did you ever wonder what kinds of rules different religions have?
It is not possible to cover all the rules (or laws or commandments), for all
the religions of the World in these pages; but one thing is for sure: there are
many similarities. In almost all instances, the rules and guidelines were
given to the people by great men. Many of these rules are said to come
directly from a "supreme being". There are many different names for this
supreme being. For a moment, let's look at just a few of these great men and
the supreme being that gave them the rules and the guidelines for people to be
good. In English we call this being: God. Many people believe that they are
all talking about the same being. Others do not believe this. Beliefs are
different but the purpose is similar.
Have you ever heard of Jesus?
Well, many years ago, as the story goes, the baby Jesus was born in a stable in
Bethlehem. Jesus was a Jew. When he came along, people needed to be reminded
to be good (sometimes people forget how to be good). Through his stories and
actions, Jesus showed people how to be good. He told them to love each other.
He told them to treat each other the way they themselves wished to be treated.
He demonstrated love and caring. He developed many followers. His followers
became "Christians" and Christians believe that this great man was the son of
God. You can read more about this great man in the second part of the
Christian bible, a book called the New Testament. The first part of the
Christian Bible (before Jesus Christ) is called the Old Testament.
Have you ever heard of Mohammed?
Many, years ago, as the story goes, a little baby named Mohammed was born. It
seemed that people forgot how to be good again. [Do you ever wonder why people
do that? Isn't it easier to be a good person?] Mohammed was raised by his
grandfather because his father died before he was born and his mother died when
he was only six years old. Mohammed came to understand that the God the Arabs
called Allah was "the God" and was the same "one God" that Jews and Christians
called God, Yahweh or Elohim. Jews, Christians and Arabs all believed that
they descended from Adam and Eve, Noah, Shem and Abraham. Many of the beliefs
were the same. How they showed those beliefs differed. Mohammed was a great
man and his followers became known as Muslims (the Islamic faith).
Have you ever heard of Buddha?
Buddha was another great man. Many, many years ago (long before the times of
Moses, Jesus and Mohammed), a baby named Siddhartha Gautama was born in India
near the Himalayas. When he was a little boy, Siddhartha's father tried to
protect him from all knowledge of illness, pain and suffering. He knew nothing
about unhappiness, growing up in a palace. Eventually he did learn about all
these things and he discovered the cause of unhappiness and a cure for it. He
became known as Buddha (the "wise" or "enlightened" one). For 45 years he
taught people about the meaning of life. Buddha's teachings became the
religion known as Buddhism.
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| User: "stone" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:40:52 PM |
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Echo2Drs wrote in message
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http://www.imagiverse.org/activities/religions/
Did you ever wonder what kinds of rules different religions have?
Have you ever heard of Mohammed?
Many, years ago, as the story goes, a little baby named Mohammed was born.
It
seemed that people forgot how to be good again. [Do you ever wonder why
people
do that? Isn't it easier to be a good person?] Mohammed was raised by his
grandfather because his father died before he was born and his mother died
when
he was only six years old. Mohammed came to understand that the God the
Arabs
called Allah was "the God" and was the same "one God" that Jews and
Christians
called God, Yahweh or Elohim.
Mohammed was incorrect. The god Allah, that is described in the Q'uran is
not the God of Israel. The description of Allah in the Q'ran is different
from the description of the True God of Israel.
Allah
Unknowable: Allah is so transcendent, so exalted, that no man can ever
personally know Allah.
Nonpersonal: Allah is not to be understood as a person. This would lower him
to the level of man.
Nonspirit: The idea that Allah is a person or a spirit is considered
blasphemous and demeans the exalted One.
Unitarian: The Koran specifically denies that Allah is a father, that Jesus
is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit is God.
Unlimited: The Koran describes Allah as able to do anything, anytime,
anyplace, anywhere. He is not even limited by his own nature.
Capricious: Allah in the Koran is totally capricious and untrustworthy. He
is not bound by his nature or his word.
No Love: The concept of Allah having feelings toward man is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce Allah to a mere man and is blasphemous
to a Muslim.
Passive in history: Allah does not personally enter into human history. He
deals with the world through his word, prophets, and angels. He does not
personally deal with man.
No attributes: The so-called 99 attributes of Allah are all negative, what
he is not like. No positive attributes are listed.
Works: There is no savior or intercessor or concept of grace in the Koran.
Jehovah, the true God of Israel
Knowable: Jesus Christ came into the world so we could know God personally
(John 17:3).
Personal: The God of the Bible is spoken of as a person with intellect,
emotion, and a will.
Spirit: That God is a spirit was taught by Jesus Christ himself in John
4:24.
Trinitarian: The Bible reveals God as One in three persons, the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit. All share equally the divine nature.
Limited: The biblical God is limited by His own nature. He cannot lie or
contradict Himself.
Trustworthy: Because God is always true to His nature, he is completely
trustworthy and consistent.
Love: The biblical God's chief attribute is love as shown in such places as
John 3:16. He has feelings for his creatures, especially man.
Active in history: In the incarnation, God himself enters history and acts
to bring about man's salvation.
Attributes: The Bible gives us both positive and negative attributes.
Grace: The God of the Bible provides a free salvation for man through a
Savior who acts as an intercessor between God and Man (1 Timothy 2:5).
Also the muslim is not sure that he will go to heaven. The doctrine of
having to earn your salvation by good works, in Islam, leaves the muslim
always uncertain that his good works out weigh his bad works. The muslim is
not certain he will go to heaven and thinks he might go to hell. The only
(false) certainty that a muslim falsely thinks he has of going to heaven is
if he dies in a Jihad holy war. All of this is false religious teaching.
Allah is not the true God of Israel. Allah is a false god that does not
exist.
Jews, Christians and Arabs all believed that
they descended from Adam and Eve, Noah, Shem and Abraham. Many of the
beliefs
were the same. How they showed those beliefs differed. Mohammed was a
great
man and his followers became known as Muslims (the Islamic faith).
Have you ever heard of Buddha?
Buddha was another great man. Many, many years ago (long before the times
of
Moses, Jesus and Mohammed), a baby named Siddhartha Gautama was born in
India
near the Himalayas. When he was a little boy, Siddhartha's father tried to
protect him from all knowledge of illness, pain and suffering. He knew
nothing
about unhappiness, growing up in a palace. Eventually he did learn about
all
these things and he discovered the cause of unhappiness and a cure for it.
He
became known as Buddha (the "wise" or "enlightened" one). For 45 years he
taught people about the meaning of life. Buddha's teachings became the
religion known as Buddhism.
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:04:20 AM |
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Mohammed was incorrect. The god Allah, that is described in the Q'uran is
not the God of Israel. The description of Allah in the Q'ran is different
from the description of the True God of Israel.
On the level of flesh, we can only reason in the ways of animals. We only
understand father, mother offspring.
Just like a litter of pups, you have father, mother and offspring.
We were created as companions to God not offspring, but that is the only way we
can understand.
That's why the Bible sometimes calls us sheep, goats and locust. These are
comparisons we understand, animals and bugs!
We expect our children to grow up and mature and be responsible, and God
expects the same thing.
Like Jesus, Buddha and Mohammad, these individuals became enlightened.
We to, are to become enlightened. We are suppose to try to make ourselves equal
to God, companions to God, meaning to think and act in the ways of God,
because remember, only the true and perfect are allowed in heaven.
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| User: "Bill" |
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14 Jan 2005 10:35:16 AM |
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"Echo2Drs" <echo2drs@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:20050113120420.25743.00000063@mb-m26.wmconnect.com...
Mohammed was incorrect. The god Allah, that is described in the Q'uran is
not the God of Israel. The description of Allah in the Q'ran is different
from the description of the True God of Israel.
On the level of flesh, we can only reason in the ways of animals. We only
understand father, mother offspring.
Just like a litter of pups, you have father, mother and offspring.
We were created as companions to God not offspring, but that is the only
way we
can understand.
That's why the Bible sometimes calls us sheep, goats and locust. These
are
comparisons we understand, animals and bugs!
We expect our children to grow up and mature and be responsible, and God
expects the same thing.
Like Jesus, Buddha and Mohammad, these individuals became enlightened.
We to, are to become enlightened. We are suppose to try to make ourselves
equal
to God, companions to God, meaning to think and act in the ways of God,
because remember, only the true and perfect are allowed in heaven
"only the true and perfect are allowed in heaven".
I guess heaven must be almost empty. It appears to exclude children born
without limbs, born with
defective brains, adults that are crippled, moronic, insane or defective in
any way.
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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05 Feb 2005 08:52:12 PM |
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I guess heaven must be almost empty. It appears to exclude children born
without limbs, born with
defective brains, adults that are crippled, moronic, insane or defective in
any way.
Sometimes animals suffer the same as what you've mentioned don't they?
As I've said before, we, like the animals, suffer the same because we are
trapped in an animal body.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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12 Jan 2005 03:39:12 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2005 18:15:34 GMT, (Echo2Drs) wrote:
http://www.imagiverse.org/activities/religions/
Did you ever wonder what kinds of rules different religions have?
It is not possible to cover all the rules (or laws or commandments), for all
the religions of the World in these pages; but one thing is for sure: there are
many similarities. In almost all instances, the rules and guidelines were
given to the people by great men.
Except for Judaism, whose rules were made up by unknown men, and
Christianity, whose rules have one known author among the unknowns, a
certain old fraud named Saul or Paul.
Many of these rules are said to come
directly from a "supreme being".
Yes, that's the usual ploy.
There are many different names for this
supreme being. For a moment, let's look at just a few of these great men and
the supreme being that gave them the rules and the guidelines for people to be
good. In English we call this being: God. Many people believe that they are
all talking about the same being. Others do not believe this. Beliefs are
different but the purpose is similar.
Have you ever heard of Jesus?
Yes, Jesus (or Iesus) is the saviour Paul made up, based very loosely
on the life of a real man named Y'shua ben Yussef. Jesus bears very
little resemblence to Y'shua however.
Well, many years ago, as the story goes, the baby Jesus was born in a stable in
Bethlehem.
And that's not true because there couldn't have been anyone born with
the name Jesus centuries before the invention of the letter J!
Jesus was a Jew. When he came along, people needed to be reminded
to be good (sometimes people forget how to be good).
People don't know how to be good, even today, since we are unable to
agree on what IS good.
Through his stories and
actions, Jesus showed people how to be good.
No.
He told them to love each other.
He told them to treat each other the way they themselves wished to be treated.
Principles that had been taught by the Pharisees well before he was
born, and didn't take then either.
He demonstrated love and caring. He developed many followers. His followers
became "Christians" and Christians believe that this great man was the son of
God.
And Christians have brought more intolerance, hatred and violence to
the world than any other religion since.
You can read more about this great man in the second part of the
Christian bible, a book called the New Testament.
Which is not accepted by Judaism, the faith that wrote the first half.
Have you ever heard of Mohammed?
Many, years ago, as the story goes, a little baby named Mohammed was born. It
seemed that people forgot how to be good again. [Do you ever wonder why people
do that?
It's because they never knew in the first place.
Isn't it easier to be a good person?]
It's impossible, because no matter how good you are, somebody
(probably a Christian) will insist you're evil. Christians insist even
a newborn is evil, tainted by Original Sin.
Mohammed was raised by his
grandfather because his father died before he was born and his mother died when
he was only six years old. Mohammed came to understand that the God the Arabs
called Allah was "the God" and was the same "one God" that Jews and Christians
called God, Yahweh or Elohim. Jews, Christians and Arabs all believed that
they descended from Adam and Eve, Noah, Shem and Abraham. Many of the beliefs
were the same. How they showed those beliefs differed. Mohammed was a great
man and his followers became known as Muslims (the Islamic faith).
Have you ever heard of Buddha?
Buddha was another great man. Many, many years ago (long before the times of
Moses, Jesus and Mohammed), a baby named Siddhartha Gautama was born in India
near the Himalayas. When he was a little boy, Siddhartha's father tried to
protect him from all knowledge of illness, pain and suffering. He knew nothing
about unhappiness, growing up in a palace. Eventually he did learn about all
these things and he discovered the cause of unhappiness and a cure for it. He
became known as Buddha (the "wise" or "enlightened" one). For 45 years he
taught people about the meaning of life. Buddha's teachings became the
religion known as Buddhism.
And Buddhism has a far better track record as far as benefit to
humanity is concerned. It is an atheistic religion, making no mention
of gods and not insisting that its god is The One True God like
Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Maybe that's why it hasn't engendered
so much intolerance, hatred and jihad?
## GOD: What one man uses to persecute another.
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:44:59 AM |
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People don't know how to be good, even today, since we are unable to
agree on what IS good.
We know not to do harm to others.Unfortunately, some disregards this and goes
ahead anyway.
And Christians have brought more intolerance, hatred and violence to
the world than any other religion since.
Some yes, I agree with you. I think these "Christians" flavored it up by adding
a little of THEIR doctrine into it.
This, "You're gonna burn in hell forever and ever" turns me off big time.
Which is not accepted by Judaism, the faith that wrote the first half.
And I accept the Judaism doctrine. The New Testament is actually several books
put together, written by some who knew the Master when he walked the earth.
It's because they never knew in the first place.
And that's the very reason for Jesus (Jeshua) Mohommad, Buddah, These
individuals were teachers. But they also had to be taught.
Did you ever wonder why Jesus was sometimes called "Master?" It's because that
title is sometimes given to those who study in other countries. Jesus went to
those places and was taught their doctrine also.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:33:52 AM |
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On 03 Feb 2005 15:44:59 GMT, (Echo2Drs) wrote:
People don't know how to be good, even today, since we are unable to
agree on what IS good.
We know not to do harm to others.Unfortunately, some disregards this and goes
ahead anyway.
There's more to good than that.
And Christians have brought more intolerance, hatred and violence to
the world than any other religion since.
Some yes, I agree with you. I think these "Christians" flavored it up by adding
a little of THEIR doctrine into it.
Everyone does that. Even thee.
This, "You're gonna burn in hell forever and ever" turns me off big time.
"You're gonna have to listen to suck-up prayers and caterwauling hymns
in heaven for all eternity" turns me off too.
The New Testament is actually several books
put together, written by some who knew the Master when he walked the earth.
Not that you can prove. The persons are unknown, the time and place of
writing are unknown, and the accounts are sprinkled with historical
untruths and suspect accounts of miracles.
It seemed that people forgot how to be good again. [Do you ever wonder why people
do that?
It's because they never knew in the first place.
And that's the very reason for Jesus (Jeshua) Mohommad, Buddah, These
individuals were teachers. But they also had to be taught.
They couldn't have made it up by themselves?
Yes they could.
Did you ever wonder why Jesus was sometimes called "Master?"
Rabbi actually.
It's because that
title is sometimes given to those who study in other countries.
Or those who present themselves as holy men.
Jesus went to
those places and was taught their doctrine also.
Not demonstrated or demonstrable. For instance maybe an itinerant
Master from those places came to Judea. Or maybe he spoke to someone
who had visted those countries.
## Is your conclusion just the point where you got tired thinking?
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:56:33 PM |
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There's more to good than that.
Agreed, but this is the best place to start isn't it?
"You're gonna have to listen to suck-up prayers and caterwauling hymns
in heaven for all eternity" turns me off too.
Everything you know of heaven or hell is in your own mind. Sometimes life is
heaven, sometimes its hell...mostly hell.
Not that you can prove. The persons are unknown, the time and place of
writing are unknown, and the accounts are sprinkled with historical
untruths and suspect accounts of miracles.
You just have to use your head to find the truth.
Rabbi actually.
What ever you perfer. Jesus (Jeshua) learned from lots of teachers.
Not demonstrated or demonstrable. For instance maybe an itinerant
Master from those places came to Judea. Or maybe he spoke to someone
who had visted those countries.
He wasn't confined to any certain country.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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04 Feb 2005 08:03:57 AM |
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On 04 Feb 2005 05:56:33 GMT, (Echo2Drs) wrote:
There's more to good than that.
Agreed, but this is the best place to start isn't it?
So when is Christianity going to start?
"You're gonna have to listen to suck-up prayers and caterwauling hymns
in heaven for all eternity" turns me off too.
Everything you know of heaven or hell is in your own mind.
Since both are imaginary, yes I quite agree.
Not that you can prove. The persons are unknown, the time and place of
writing are unknown, and the accounts are sprinkled with historical
untruths and suspect accounts of miracles.
You just have to use your head to find the truth.
Seek not truth from behind lies.
Rabbi actually.
What ever you perfer. Jesus (Jeshua) learned from lots of teachers.
Rabbi Y'shua ben Yussef. The letter J wasn't invented until centuries
later. Julius Caesar never heard himself called that.
Not demonstrated or demonstrable. For instance maybe an itinerant
Master from those places came to Judea. Or maybe he spoke to someone
who had visted those countries.
He wasn't confined to any certain country.
Nor necessarily ever left it. Philosophies travel with more facility
than people.
## Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die!
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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04 Feb 2005 10:16:18 AM |
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So when is Christianity going to start?
When the Whole is One, When One is Whole.
When mankind changes his way of thinking.
How long will that take you ask, that's up to us, but we have an eternity if
it takes that long.
Since both are imaginary, yes I quite agree.
The imagination IS the creation. We ALL create with the imagination. Be it
good, or be it bad.
Seek not truth from behind lies.
Don't justify sin is a better translation.
Rabbi Y'shua ben Yussef. The letter J wasn't invented until centuries
later. Julius Caesar never heard himself called that.
When Jesus was registered at the school of the Essene's, he was registered as
Jeshua, a variation of the word Jesus.
Nor necessarily ever left it. Philosophies travel with more facility
than people.
Oh I'm quite sure he traveled to other countries. As a boy, his uncle Joseph of
Arimatheria, took him to the country of Europe. His uncle had a business there.
I remember reading about that, but sorry don't remember what kind of business
it was.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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04 Feb 2005 10:51:11 AM |
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On 04 Feb 2005 16:16:18 GMT, (Echo2Drs) wrote:
So when is Christianity going to start?
When the Whole is One, When One is Whole.
Never gonna hoppen. Christianity has always been sectarian and
divisive, right from it's inception as a Jewish heresy.
Since both are imaginary, yes I quite agree.
The imagination IS the creation. We ALL create with the imagination. Be it
good, or be it bad.
Not all we imagine is created... fortunately.
Rabbi Y'shua ben Yussef. The letter J wasn't invented until centuries
later. Julius Caesar never heard himself called that.
When Jesus was registered at the school of the Essene's, he was registered as
Jeshua, a variation of the word Jesus.
No. There is no letter J in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or at the time,
Latin. Jesus is the English spelling of Iesus, Paul's name for his
invented saviour. And there are no records of who was an Essene.
Nor necessarily ever left it. Philosophies travel with more facility
than people.
Oh I'm quite sure he traveled to other countries.
On what evidence?
As a boy, his uncle Joseph of
Arimatheria, took him to the country of Europe.
There was no Europe at the time. Just a wilderness full of Goths,
Huns, Celts, Gauls and a few Roman legions engaged in conquest. There
were no cities, no cultures who could write, and no scholars. Even
traveling all the way to southern France, all he would find would be a
few Roman towns in a sea of barbarians.
His uncle had a business there.
There were no businesses there.
I remember reading about that, but sorry don't remember what kind of business
it was.
You were reading fiction.
## Your trouble ain't so much ignorance,
## as knowing so many things that ain't so!
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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04 Feb 2005 11:34:26 AM |
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Never gonna hoppen. Christianity has always been sectarian and
divisive, right from it's inception as a Jewish heresy.
I'm not talking religion now.
Not all we imagine is created... fortunately.
Very true, if mankind created with his hands ALL the evil thoughts of his
imagination...
The ALL affect the One, The ONE affect the All.
No. There is no letter J in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or at the time,
Latin.
The Essene's were an early Christian sect. They were more of the Gnostics.
There was no Europe at the time. Just a wilderness full of Goths,
Huns, Celts, Gauls and a few Roman legions engaged in conquest.
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