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"Pastor Dave" |
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10 Aug 2007 12:10:55 PM |
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Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
Difficult Questions For Futurists To Answer
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)? How can you
heal something that is already dead and burned?
If the New Jerusalem is the saved of all ages, when
all things have ended and we have embarked into
eternity; when sin, death, Hades and Satan have
all been cast into the lake of fire; all evil has been
disposed of, sin has been finally purged; there is
no more sickness, no more hunger or thirst; the
former things shall not be remembered or even
come to mind; why would they need healing if
they are now in eternal bliss?
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)? If everyone outside these
gates were burned up and there is nobody
left alive outside these gates, why are there
people still entering through the gates into
the city after the New Jerusalem comes down
from Heaven (Revelation 21:24)?
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
b) Was He any age? What age? Will we be
the same age as Christ?
c) Will we too have scars that we had previously?
Christ did.
d) Will we all be raised male? Christ was.
e) What about babies? Will they be raised as babies?
Or will all people suddenly be raised at the prime age
of 30 like Christ?
f) What about the food Christ ate? Obviously it took
teeth to chew. Did the food get caught in His teeth?
Did it have to go into His colon and out His *****?
Did Christ take that into heaven?
g) Will we have genitalia? Christ did. If you believe
that Christ was raised with the exact same physical
body (just eternal now), then you must believe He
still has genitalia.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
And why does John call the city "the bride"? The
angel shows John "the bride of the Lamb", which
is the city, since that is what the angel shows John,
after saying that (Revelation 21:9-10). Isn't the
bride of Christ the church? Could it be that the
New Jerusalem is a symbolic representation of
the church?
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/difficult.html
--
Pastor Dave
When making liars happy in their word games takes
precedence over truth, Christ has been abandoned.
-unknown
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
12 Aug 2007 09:57:35 AM |
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"Pastor Dave"
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?...
When you say a city was burned, do you mean that every last
inhabitant of that city was burned? No. When you say the
world is judged by fire, it doesn't necessarily mean that
the entire earth disappears in a flame of fire. The English
language requires that you do a little thinking beyond a
surface perspective. Words are meant to be understood--not
abused.
When the new world comes into existence, it will really mean
a reconstitution of the present world by a miracle. It is
the old reality of sin that will be disposed of. Certainly
there will be a change in the structure of our physical
environment. But the same people will be here on the same
old earth. It will just be "made new."
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?...
It appears that in the eternal age of the Kingdom, the city
will represent a local presence of Christ. People will still
have access to the entire earth and its geography. People
will be able to come and go from this very large city, which
will encompass a large part of the earth. Who knows? It is
all speculative.
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?...
The Millennial Kingdom will be the start of the Kingdom age,
but only a continuation of the current world in which sinful
man exists upon this earth. The beginning of the renewal of
this world will begin in the Millennial Age, but will be
fully consummated with the creation of a New Jerusalem at
the end of the Millennium.
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)?....
He was talking about his own time. In his own day and age
Jesus stated that his Kingdom would be present in a
mysterious form. On the other hand, he declared that his
Kingdom would physically be set up at some unknown date in
the future.
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?...
Jesus disciples believed that he was the Messiah who would
"come into" his Kingdom. They were confused because Jesus
had just declared that the temple would be destroyed. It had
to be explained to them that prior to his coming into his
Kingdom, the current system had to be thrown down.
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?...
Jesus didn't want his disciples to follow false christs.
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled".
He did not say the Mosaic Law would pass when the heaven and
earth passes. He said that heaven and earth could not pass
unless the Law is fulfilled first! This means that something
had to be established in the present age so that somehow the
creation can be eternally sustained. The fulfillment of the
Law had to occur first, in which Christ would make eternal
atonement for the inhabitants of this planet.
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?...
We will have similar physical bodies, yes.
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?...
They may represent those who are damned.
randy
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
10 Aug 2007 07:37:14 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
Difficult Questions For Futurists To Answer
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)? How can you
heal something that is already dead and burned?
If the New Jerusalem is the saved of all ages, when
all things have ended and we have embarked into
eternity; when sin, death, Hades and Satan have
all been cast into the lake of fire; all evil has been
disposed of, sin has been finally purged; there is
no more sickness, no more hunger or thirst; the
former things shall not be remembered or even
come to mind; why would they need healing if
they are now in eternal bliss?PEOPLE ARE NOT PERFECT
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)? If everyone outside these
gates were burned up and there is nobody
left alive outside these gates, why are there
people still entering through the gates into
the city after the New Jerusalem comes down
from Heaven (Revelation 21:24)?NO NEED TO CLOSE THEM
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24) IT DON'T
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
WE WILL BE LEARNING STILL
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?YES
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).gOD WAS NOW A MAN AND COULD DIE
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?FAITH
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
EVERY EYE SHALL SEE IT
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."IT WILL ALWAYS BE
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL ALWAYS BE AND SO WILL THE LAW
Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?NO
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?NO
b) Was He any age? What age? Will we be
the same age as Christ?NO AGE
c) Will we too have scars that we had previously?
Christ did.NO
d) Will we all be raised male? Christ was.NO
e) What about babies? Will they be raised as babies?
Or will all people suddenly be raised at the prime age
of 30 like Christ?NO AGE
f) What about the food Christ ate? Obviously it took
teeth to chew. Did the food get caught in His teeth?
Did it have to go into His colon and out His *****?
Did Christ take that into heaven?NO FOOD
g) Will we have genitalia? Christ did. If you believe
that Christ was raised with the exact same physical
body (just eternal now), then you must believe He
still has genitalia.NO NEED
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
And why does John call the city "the bride"? The
angel shows John "the bride of the Lamb", which
is the city, since that is what the angel shows John,
after saying that (Revelation 21:9-10). Isn't the
bride of Christ the church? Could it be that the
New Jerusalem is a symbolic representation of
the church?NO
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/difficult.html
--
Pastor Dave
When making liars happy in their word games takes
precedence over truth, Christ has been abandoned.
-unknown
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
.
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| User: "Jack Baun" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
11 Aug 2007 08:04:42 PM |
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"Jack Baun" <bluejay@gwis.com> wrote in message
news:13bq167mil98q09@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
Difficult Questions For Futurists To Answer
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)? How can you
heal something that is already dead and burned?
If the New Jerusalem is the saved of all ages, when
all things have ended and we have embarked into
eternity; when sin, death, Hades and Satan have
all been cast into the lake of fire; all evil has been
disposed of, sin has been finally purged; there is
no more sickness, no more hunger or thirst; the
former things shall not be remembered or even
come to mind; why would they need healing if
they are now in eternal bliss?PEOPLE ARE NOT PERFECT
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)? If everyone outside these
gates were burned up and there is nobody
left alive outside these gates, why are there
people still entering through the gates into
the city after the New Jerusalem comes down
from Heaven (Revelation 21:24)?NO NEED TO CLOSE THEM
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24) IT DON'T
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
WE WILL BE LEARNING STILL
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?YES
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).gOD WAS NOW A MAN AND COULD DIE
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?FAITH
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
EVERY EYE SHALL SEE IT
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."IT WILL ALWAYS BE
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL ALWAYS BE AND SO WILL THE LAW
Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?NO
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?NO
b) Was He any age? What age? Will we be
the same age as Christ?NO AGE
c) Will we too have scars that we had previously?
Christ did.NO
d) Will we all be raised male? Christ was.NO
e) What about babies? Will they be raised as babies?
Or will all people suddenly be raised at the prime age
of 30 like Christ?NO AGE
f) What about the food Christ ate? Obviously it took
teeth to chew. Did the food get caught in His teeth?
Did it have to go into His colon and out His *****?
Did Christ take that into heaven?NO FOOD
g) Will we have genitalia? Christ did. If you believe
that Christ was raised with the exact same physical
body (just eternal now), then you must believe He
still has genitalia.NO NEED
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
And why does John call the city "the bride"? The
angel shows John "the bride of the Lamb", which
is the city, since that is what the angel shows John,
after saying that (Revelation 21:9-10). Isn't the
bride of Christ the church? Could it be that the
New Jerusalem is a symbolic representation of
the church?NO
Past your, Jack
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
10 Aug 2007 02:47:24 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Nothing more than another load of fanatical christian crap.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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11 Aug 2007 11:57:38 AM |
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John Smith wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
Nothing more than another load of fanatical christian crap.
All of Dave's Questions have been answered.
Each of these Questions was answered individually, and posted to
alt.christnet.christianlife on or about 26 Feb 2006
see http://tinyurl.com/3xegw5
You may search for each question one at a time by title using
google.com advanced search
poster = oldwetdog
group = alt.christnet.christianlife
subject = A Preterist's 10 Questions, #
where # is the question number
Such as : A Preterist's 10 Questions, 4
date after Jan 2006
or all the answers in one document (which you may save,) at
www.thelittlebookopened.org/main/argue/questions.html
The questions this Famous Usnet Troll has asked is NOT a request
for answers, but is Troll bait he uses to lure the unsuspecting
into endless debate, in which he will continually and repeatedly
inform you that you cannot answer the questions, therefore your
faith must be wrong and you are a fool for not believing his
brand of delusion (Preterism).
It will be informative for you to study the questions and answers
as given, and certainly to see if my answers are scriptural, but
to engage in debate with this Troll^10 is an act of futility.
Glenn
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer |
11 Aug 2007 02:23:00 PM |
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
Nothing more than another load of fanatical christian crap.
All of Dave's Questions have been answered.
Each of these Questions was answered individually, and posted to
alt.christnet.christianlife on or about 26 Feb 2006
Everyone saw them and knows he's lying.
His,
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: Difficult Questions for Futurists to Answer -- CORRECTION |
11 Aug 2007 12:14:48 PM |
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Glenn wrote:
John Smith wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
Nothing more than another load of fanatical christian crap.
All of Dave's Questions have been answered.
Each of these Questions was answered individually, and posted to
alt.christnet.christianlife on or about 26 Feb 2006
see http://tinyurl.com/3xegw5
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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It's time to play Dave's favorite game: Mock His Word!
Difficult Questions For Christians To Answer
They are only difficult when they aren't spiritually discerned.
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?
Because they will be living in the bodies in which they were raised,
and the healing is what keeps them whole.
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?
There is no night, so the gates aren't closed for the night. Folks come and
go at will.
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
The Bible doesn't say that. You do. As usual, you read it like sequentially,
line upon line, demontrating the absence of His discernment.
You still don't understand. Scripture is revealed by discernment, and it is
the facts you ridicule, which reveal what He is saying. He's speaking of the
short term future, the millennium (Is 65:20), injecting bits of the long
term future like (Is 65:18-19) as He does.
As for the latter verse (Is 66:24), that refers our going outside the city
to see the folks, condemned.
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
The next age is the millennium, fool! The age of His kingdom.
I already told you that. Pay attention.
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Luke 17:20-27
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God
should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with
observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [22] And he said unto the
disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days
of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. [23] And they shall say to you,
See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. [24] For as the
lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto
the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this
generation. [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. [27] They did eat, they drank, they married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the
ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
That's because they were expecting what the scriptures promised. What they
weren't expecting was the coming of the Lord berfore the day of the Lord,
which was also promised but missed. Both are promised but only the one has
come. The next is coming is the one for which they were prepared..
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
See your previous question. Obviously they know about it, and they also knew
He didn't have to leave to come. He was here prophesying His first coming.
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Because by the time they "L" He'd be there and already would have been seen.
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Because the law is for the circumcision: "For I testify again to every man
that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3), who
will live by the law in the millennium.
Christians are free from the condemnation of the law: "There is therefore
now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of
death" (Rom 8:1-2).
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Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
See your first question.
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
He was physical. No we'll have ours.
Get out of my face, Satan, go tempt your mother to add to scripture.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
Preterists and other blasphemers, liars, etc. See Question 3, where the worm
doesn't die.
And why does John call the city "the bride"? The
angel shows John "the bride of the Lamb", which
is the city, since that is what the angel shows John,
after saying that (Revelation 21:9-10). Isn't the
bride of Christ the church? Could it be that the
New Jerusalem is a symbolic representation of
the church?
The bride is the populace in New Jerusalem.
What is obvious here, and in virtually everything you've written, is that
the Spirit which discerns scripture is absent.
His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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11 Aug 2007 12:59:51 PM |
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On Aug 10, 2:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
It's time to play Dave's favorite game: Mock His Word!
Difficult Questions For Christians To Answer
They are only difficult when they aren't spiritually discerned.
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?
Because they will be living in the bodies in which they were raised,
and the healing is what keeps them whole.
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?
There is no night, so the gates aren't closed for the night. Folks come and
go at will.
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
The Bible doesn't say that. You do. As usual, you read it like sequentially,
line upon line, demontrating the absence of His discernment.
You still don't understand. Scripture is revealed by discernment, and it is
the facts you ridicule, which reveal what He is saying. He's speaking of the
short term future, the millennium (Is 65:20), injecting bits of the long
term future like (Is 65:18-19) as He does.
As for the latter verse (Is 66:24), that refers our going outside the city
to see the folks, condemned.
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
The next age is the millennium, fool! The age of His kingdom.
I already told you that. Pay attention.
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Luke 17:20-27
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God
should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with
observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [22] And he said unto the
disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days
of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. [23] And they shall say to you,
See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. [24] For as the
lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto
the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this
generation. [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. [27] They did eat, they drank, they married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the
ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
That's because they were expecting what the scriptures promised. What they
weren't expecting was the coming of the Lord berfore the day of the Lord,
which was also promised but missed. Both are promised but only the one has
come. The next is coming is the one for which they were prepared..
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
See your previous question. Obviously they know about it, and they also knew
He didn't have to leave to come. He was here prophesying His first coming.
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Because by the time they "L" He'd be there and already would have been seen.
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Because the law is for the circumcision: "For I testify again to every man
that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3), who
will live by the law in the millennium.
Christians are free from the condemnation of the law: "There is therefore
now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of
death" (Rom 8:1-2).
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Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
See your first question.
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
He was physical. No we'll have ours.
Get out of my face, Satan, go tempt your mother to add to scripture.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
Preterists and other blasphemers, liars, etc. See Question 3, where the worm
doesn't die.
I found these while t-y-p-i-n-g out Scriptures.
Revelation, like Daniel is not in chronological order, and events
repeat:
Same event; repeated:
Revelation 19:10:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou
do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the
testimony of Jesus: worship G-D: for the testimony of Jesus is the
spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:8-9:
22:8: And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
22:9: Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which
keep the sayings of this book: worship G-D.
There are several easy proofs to show events in chapter 22 happen
before events in chapter 21.
Here is just one: G-D comes to Earth only after death is destroyed.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
15:27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith
all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
15:28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that G-D may be all in all.
When death is no more. No one can die after this time.
Revelation 21:4:
And G-D shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be
no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed away.
These all die in the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death.
Here they are still alive.
Revelation 22:14-15:
22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city.
22:15: For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
...murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars...
....and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever
loveth and maketh a lie...
These all die in the lake of fire (before G-D comes to the Earth).
Revelation 20:15:
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire.
Then death itself is no more; death is destroyed. Then G-D comes to
the Earth.
And why does John call the city "the bride"? The
angel shows John "the bride of the Lamb", which
is the city, since that is what the angel shows John,
after saying that (Revelation 21:9-10). Isn't the
bride of Christ the church? Could it be that the
New Jerusalem is a symbolic representation of
the church?
The bride is the populace in New Jerusalem.
What is obvious here, and in virtually everything you've written, is that
the Spirit which discerns scripture is absent.
His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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"Abrams1117" <John1117@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 10, 2:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in
messagenews:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
It's time to play Dave's favorite game: Mock His Word!
Difficult Questions For Christians To Answer
They are only difficult when they aren't spiritually discerned.
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?
Because they will be living in the bodies in which they were raised,
and the healing is what keeps them whole.
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?
There is no night, so the gates aren't closed for the night. Folks come
and
go at will.
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
The Bible doesn't say that. You do. As usual, you read it like
sequentially,
line upon line, demontrating the absence of His discernment.
You still don't understand. Scripture is revealed by discernment, and it
is
the facts you ridicule, which reveal what He is saying. He's speaking of
the
short term future, the millennium (Is 65:20), injecting bits of the long
term future like (Is 65:18-19) as He does.
As for the latter verse (Is 66:24), that refers our going outside the
city
to see the folks, condemned.
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
The next age is the millennium, fool! The age of His kingdom.
I already told you that. Pay attention.
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Luke 17:20-27
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God
should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not
with
observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [22] And he said unto the
disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the
days
of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. [23] And they shall say to
you,
See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. [24] For as
the
lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth
unto
the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this
generation. [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also
in
the days of the Son of man. [27] They did eat, they drank, they married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into
the
ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
That's because they were expecting what the scriptures promised. What
they
weren't expecting was the coming of the Lord berfore the day of the
Lord,
which was also promised but missed. Both are promised but only the one
has
come. The next is coming is the one for which they were prepared..
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
See your previous question. Obviously they know about it, and they also
knew
He didn't have to leave to come. He was here prophesying His first
coming.
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Because by the time they "L" He'd be there and already would have been
seen.
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that
confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Because the law is for the circumcision: "For I testify again to every
man
that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3),
who
will live by the law in the millennium.
Christians are free from the condemnation of the law: "There is
therefore
now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of
death" (Rom 8:1-2).
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Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
See your first question.
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
He was physical. No we'll have ours.
Get out of my face, Satan, go tempt your mother to add to scripture.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
Preterists and other blasphemers, liars, etc. See Question 3, where the
worm
doesn't die.
I found these while t-y-p-i-n-g out Scriptures.
Revelation, like Daniel is not in chronological order, and events
repeat:
Same event; repeated:
Revelation 19:10:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou
do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the
testimony of Jesus: worship G-D: for the testimony of Jesus is the
spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:8-9:
22:8: And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
22:9: Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which
keep the sayings of this book: worship G-D.
There are several easy proofs to show events in chapter 22 happen
before events in chapter 21.
The events you cite were happening back when John was being shown what will
come.
Here is just one: G-D comes to Earth only after death is destroyed.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
15:27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith
all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
15:28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that G-D may be all in all.
When death is no more. No one can die after this time.
Revelation 21:4:
And G-D shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be
no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed away.
These all die in the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death.
Here they are still alive.
Revelation 22:14-15:
22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city.
22:15: For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
..murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars...
...and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever
loveth and maketh a lie...
These all die in the lake of fire (before G-D comes to the Earth).
Revelation 20:15:
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire.
Then death itself is no more; death is destroyed. Then G-D comes to
the Earth.
We read it differently.
Jesus is God, He comes and puts down rule and authority and the last
destroyed is death, and continues to reign
That death is destroyed, but those already in the second death remain in the
lake of fire..
His,
--
For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
www.geocities.com/fredstover7@sbcglobal.net/
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
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On Aug 11, 12:40 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Abrams1117" <John1...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:1186855191.194555.129190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...> On Aug 10, 2:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in
messagenews:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
It's time to play Dave's favorite game: Mock His Word!
Difficult Questions For Christians To Answer
They are only difficult when they aren't spiritually discerned.
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?
Because they will be living in the bodies in which they were raised,
and the healing is what keeps them whole.
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?
There is no night, so the gates aren't closed for the night. Folks come
and
go at will.
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
The Bible doesn't say that. You do. As usual, you read it like
sequentially,
line upon line, demontrating the absence of His discernment.
You still don't understand. Scripture is revealed by discernment, and it
is
the facts you ridicule, which reveal what He is saying. He's speaking of
the
short term future, the millennium (Is 65:20), injecting bits of the long
term future like (Is 65:18-19) as He does.
As for the latter verse (Is 66:24), that refers our going outside the
city
to see the folks, condemned.
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
The next age is the millennium, fool! The age of His kingdom.
I already told you that. Pay attention.
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Luke 17:20-27
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God
should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not
with
observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [22] And he said unto the
disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the
days
of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. [23] And they shall say to
you,
See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. [24] For as
the
lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth
unto
the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this
generation. [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also
in
the days of the Son of man. [27] They did eat, they drank, they married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into
the
ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
That's because they were expecting what the scriptures promised. What
they
weren't expecting was the coming of the Lord berfore the day of the
Lord,
which was also promised but missed. Both are promised but only the one
has
come. The next is coming is the one for which they were prepared..
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
See your previous question. Obviously they know about it, and they also
knew
He didn't have to leave to come. He was here prophesying His first
coming.
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Because by the time they "L" He'd be there and already would have been
seen.
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that
confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist.
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Because the law is for the circumcision: "For I testify again to every
man
that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3),
who
will live by the law in the millennium.
Christians are free from the condemnation of the law: "There is
therefore
now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of
death" (Rom 8:1-2).
.
Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
See your first question.
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
He was physical. No we'll have ours.
Get out of my face, Satan, go tempt your mother to add to scripture.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
Preterists and other blasphemers, liars, etc. See Question 3, where the
worm
doesn't die.
I found these while t-y-p-i-n-g out Scriptures.
Revelation, like Daniel is not in chronological order, and events
repeat:
Same event; repeated:
Revelation 19:10:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou
do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the
testimony of Jesus: worship G-D: for the testimony of Jesus is the
spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:8-9:
22:8: And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
22:9: Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which
keep the sayings of this book: worship G-D.
There are several easy proofs to show events in chapter 22 happen
before events in chapter 21.
The events you cite were happening back when John was being shown what will
come.
Those verses show that Revelation repeats; the verses below show that
events in chapter 22 happen before events in chapter 21.
Here is just one: G-D comes to Earth only after death is destroyed.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his
feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
15:27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith
all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
15:28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that G-D may be all in all.
When death is no more. No one can die after this time.
Revelation 21:4:
And G-D shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be
no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed away.
These all die in the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death.
Here they are still alive.
Revelation 22:14-15:
22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city.
22:15: For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
..murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars...
...and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever
loveth and maketh a lie...
These all die in the lake of fire (before G-D comes to the Earth).
Revelation 20:15:
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire.
Then death itself is no more; death is destroyed. Then G-D comes to
the Earth.
We read it differently.
Jesus is God, He comes and puts down rule and authority and the last
destroyed is death, and continues to reign
Scripture plainly says that Jesus Christ reigns till he destroys death
then he delivers the Kingdom to G-D, the Father:
1 Corinthians 15:22-28:
15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made
alive. 15:23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to G-D, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power.
15:25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
15:27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith
all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
15:28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that G-D may be all in all.
That death is destroyed, but those already in the second death remain in the
lake of fire..
His,
--
For 1600 years 2 John 1:7 in the Bible said: "For many deceivers are
entering into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the
flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
www.geocities.com/fredstov...@sbcglobal.net/
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
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11 Aug 2007 10:11:49 PM |
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"Abrams1117" <John1117@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:1186886440.095678.259540@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 12:40 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Abrams1117" <John1...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:1186855191.194555.129190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...> On Aug
10, 2:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in
messagenews:ou6pb3pvs0iij3b6amiqncednldv4mbmr2@4ax.com...
It's time to play Dave's favorite game: Mock His Word!
Difficult Questions For Christians To Answer
They are only difficult when they aren't spiritually discerned.
New Heaven and New Earth
QUESTION #1:
Assuming the earth will be destroyed with fire,
and all the nations of the earth will be destroyed
along with it, why, when the "New Earth" or
"New Jerusalem" comes, why will the nations
need healing (Revelation 22:2)?
Because they will be living in the bodies in which they were raised,
and the healing is what keeps them whole.
QUESTION #2:
Why would the gates of this city be left open
if everything outside this city is destroyed
(Revelation.21:25)?
There is no night, so the gates aren't closed for the night. Folks
come
and
go at will.
QUESTION #3:
If, in the New Heaven and New Earth, there will
be no more death, why does the Bible say there
WILL still be physical death in the New Heaven
and New Earth (Isaiah 65:20, 66:24)?
The Bible doesn't say that. You do. As usual, you read it like
sequentially,
line upon line, demontrating the absence of His discernment.
You still don't understand. Scripture is revealed by discernment,
and it
is
the facts you ridicule, which reveal what He is saying. He's
speaking of
the
short term future, the millennium (Is 65:20), injecting bits of the
long
term future like (Is 65:18-19) as He does.
As for the latter verse (Is 66:24), that refers our going outside
the
city
to see the folks, condemned.
QUESTION #4:
If, after the New Heaven and New Earth come,
there will be no more sin, why does Isaiah say
there WILL still be sin (Isaiah 65:20)? Even
Jesus Christ said there would still be sin in
the next age (Matthew 12:32, Revelation 22:15).
And Revelation says that, after the New Jerusalem
comes, there will still be sinners (Revelation 21:27).
The next age is the millennium, fool! The age of His kingdom.
I already told you that. Pay attention.
QUESTION #5:
If the New Jerusalem is a physical place, and it will
physically come down to earth, why did Jesus say it
would not come with observation, and that people
would not say "look here or look there"
(Luke 17:20-21)? Why not say "look" if it will come
with observation? Can it possibly be because it will
be a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one?
Luke 17:20-27
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of
God
should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh
not
with
observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [22] And he said unto the
disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of
the
days
of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. [23] And they shall say
to
you,
See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. [24]
For as
the
lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth
unto
the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his
day.
[25] But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this
generation. [26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be
also
in
the days of the Son of man. [27] They did eat, they drank, they
married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered
into
the
ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Return of Christ
This next question is concerning the question the
disciples asked in Matthew 24:3: "And what will
be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Here are a few facts first.
Jesus talked to his disciples about his death but
the apostles did not understand it at all (Matthew
16:21-22, Mark 8:31-32; 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45;
18:31-34, John 13:33-14:6; 16:16-18). This last
account in the Gospel of John takes place after Jesus
had given them the Olivet discourse (Matthew 24)
and they still did not understand that Jesus was going
to leave them and die. After all, he was God...how can
God die? They had no idea of Jesus leaving, then
coming again (John 12:34).
The disciples expected Jesus to be their physical King
and set up a worldly Kingdom at his First Coming
(John 6:15, Luke 24:21), not at his Second Coming.
So did others (Luke 17:20-21; 19:11). Even after the
crucifixion, they still had no concept about his Second
Coming, because they still thought he was going to
give them a physical Kingdom at that time (Acts 1:6).
That's because they were expecting what the scriptures promised.
What
they
weren't expecting was the coming of the Lord berfore the day of the
Lord,
which was also promised but missed. Both are promised but only the
one
has
come. The next is coming is the one for which they were prepared..
QUESTION #6:
If the apostles had no idea that Jesus was going
to leave them, why would they ask Him about
His return (Matthew 24:3)? How could the disciple
have asked a question about something they knew
nothing about?
See your previous question. Obviously they know about it, and they
also
knew
He didn't have to leave to come. He was here prophesying His first
coming.
QUESTION #7:
If Jesus is going to come down physically on
the Mount of Olives, why did Christ warn
"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here
is Christ, or there; believe it not" (Matthew 24:23)?
Why can't we believe someone who would say,
"Lo there is Christ descending on the Mount of
Olives!"? Can it possibly be because it will be
a spiritual coming and not a physical one?
Because by the time they "L" He'd be there and already would have
been
seen.
2 John 1:7 (ASV)
For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that
confess
not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and
the
antichrist.
Passing of Mosaic Law
Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come
to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say
unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled."
QUESTION #8:
Jesus came to fulfil the law. He specifically stated
WHEN the Mosaic Law would pass. It would pass
when "heaven and earth pass" and when "all (prophesy)
be fulfilled". If heaven and earth did not pass, and
if all prophesy has not been fulfilled, why, dear
reader, are you not keeping the Mosaic law? Jesus
said it would not pass, and must be obeyed, until
these things happen.
Because the law is for the circumcision: "For I testify again to
every
man
that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal
5:3),
who
will live by the law in the millennium.
Christians are free from the condemnation of the law: "There is
therefore
now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of
the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and
of
death" (Rom 8:1-2).
.
Resurrected Body
QUESTION #9:
If Christ was actually in His eternal physical
resurrection body, will we be raised with the
same physical body and likeness as Christ was
raised with (1 John 3:2)?
See your first question.
a) Was He physical? Will we have that same
physical body?
He was physical. No we'll have ours.
Get out of my face, Satan, go tempt your mother to add to scripture.
Back to the New Heaven and Earth
QUESTION #10:
If the world is destroyed and all sinners are cast into
the lake of fire and the New Jerusalem comes down
and is a physical city, then who are the sinners
outside the gates of the city (Revelation 22:14-15)?
Preterists and other blasphemers, liars, etc. See Question 3, where
the
worm
doesn't die.
I found these while t-y-p-i-n-g out Scriptures.
Revelation, like Daniel is not in chronological order, and events
repeat:
Same event; repeated:
Revelation 19:10:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou
do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the
testimony of Jesus: worship G-D: for the testimony of Jesus is the
spirit of prophecy.
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