Religions > Bible > Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers
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"Pastor Dave" |
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26 Aug 2005 07:04:24 PM |
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Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
Dispensationalism is what the end timers base
their whole belief structure on.
http://www.theologicalstudies.org/dispen.html
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Pastor Dave
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
"The mark of a society that's on its last leg, is when
there is no fear of God." - Adrian Rogers
"Theology and ethics are inextricably bound together.
Yet under the supposed banner of unity, we have
harbored enemy ships - as long as they flew our flag.
That policy must change. Tolerating enemies of the
historic Christian faith as though they were our
brethren is not love, but adultery. The substance
of the faith is the only basis for unity."
- The Agony of Deceit, p23
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
27 Aug 2005 11:09:49 PM |
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"Pastor Dave"
Dispensationalism is what the end timers base
their whole belief structure on.
No it isn't. I'm an "endtimer," and I'm *not* a dispensationalist!
randy
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| User: "" |
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28 Aug 2005 05:01:38 AM |
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randy wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Dispensationalism is what the end timers base
their whole belief structure on.
No it isn't. I'm an "endtimer," and I'm *not* a dispensationalist!
randy
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Since I (an end-timer) know that the Bible says that the resurrection
and rapture come after the Great Tribulation, I often get into
arguments with such dispensationalists.
They claim that the rapture is at the figurative trumpet of Revelation
4:1.
I point out that I Corinthians 15:51-54 says that the resurrection and
rapture will be at the *last* trumpet, and the 7th Trumpet of
Revelation 11:15-19 is the last trumpet of the Bible, where it just so
happens talks about judging and rewarding the dead.
But those people who insist that the resurrection and rapture come
*before* the Great Tribulation have actually told me that... now get
this...
They claim that Revelation 4:1 is the last trump referred to by I
Corinthians 15:51-54, because it is the last trump of *that*
dispensation, and the 7th Trump of Revelation 11:15-19 is *not* the
last trump because that trump is in a *different* dispensation!!!!!!
So they claim that there are 7 trumps after the "last" trump because
the change in dispensations starts the count of trumps all over
again!!!!
So they claim that the 8th-to-the-last trump is the *real* "last
trump".
Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy.
Anyway, not all end-timers are dispensationalists, as you pointed out.
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| User: "randy" |
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28 Aug 2005 10:17:06 AM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com>
randy
Since I (an end-timer) know that the Bible says that the resurrection
and rapture come after the Great Tribulation, I often get into
arguments with such dispensationalists.
They claim that the rapture is at the figurative trumpet of Revelation
4:1.
I point out that I Corinthians 15:51-54 says that the resurrection and
rapture will be at the *last* trumpet, and the 7th Trumpet of
Revelation 11:15-19 is the last trumpet of the Bible, where it just so
happens talks about judging and rewarding the dead.
But those people who insist that the resurrection and rapture come
*before* the Great Tribulation have actually told me that... now get
this...
They claim that Revelation 4:1 is the last trump referred to by I
Corinthians 15:51-54, because it is the last trump of *that*
dispensation, and the 7th Trump of Revelation 11:15-19 is *not* the
last trump because that trump is in a *different* dispensation!!!!!!
So they claim that there are 7 trumps after the "last" trump because
the change in dispensations starts the count of trumps all over
again!!!!
So they claim that the 8th-to-the-last trump is the *real* "last
trump"....
Yes I know. Without explicit biblical theology symbolic interpretations are
bogus, no matter how popular they have become. I have even read more than
once that pretribulationists acknowledge there is no actual biblical
doctrine that *explicitly teaches* their theory! They think that the
doctrine is to be believed by *personal revelation!* How blind can
intelligent people be?
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
randy
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
28 Aug 2005 11:15:51 AM |
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"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com>
randy
Since I (an end-timer) know that the Bible says that the resurrection
and rapture come after the Great Tribulation, I often get into
arguments with such dispensationalists.
They claim that the rapture is at the figurative trumpet of Revelation
4:1.
I point out that I Corinthians 15:51-54 says that the resurrection and
rapture will be at the *last* trumpet, and the 7th Trumpet of
Revelation 11:15-19 is the last trumpet of the Bible, where it just so
happens talks about judging and rewarding the dead.
But those people who insist that the resurrection and rapture come
*before* the Great Tribulation have actually told me that... now get
this...
They claim that Revelation 4:1 is the last trump referred to by I
Corinthians 15:51-54, because it is the last trump of *that*
dispensation, and the 7th Trump of Revelation 11:15-19 is *not* the
last trump because that trump is in a *different* dispensation!!!!!!
So they claim that there are 7 trumps after the "last" trump because
the change in dispensations starts the count of trumps all over
again!!!!
So they claim that the 8th-to-the-last trump is the *real* "last
trump"....
Yes I know. Without explicit biblical theology symbolic interpretations
are
bogus, no matter how popular they have become. I have even read more than
once that pretribulationists acknowledge there is no actual biblical
doctrine that *explicitly teaches* their theory! They think that the
doctrine is to be believed by *personal revelation!* How blind can
intelligent people be?
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
randy
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug
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| User: "randy" |
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29 Aug 2005 11:54:05 AM |
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"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
29 Aug 2005 01:12:09 PM |
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"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
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| User: "randy" |
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29 Aug 2005 03:22:20 PM |
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"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others
are about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Yes, I knew what you meant, but wanted to emphasize the fact you provided
absolutely no proof, one way or another. I think I'm going to take
"fact-checker's" advice and "go home!" (I said it, that settles it, now I
can go home!)
The point is, pretribulationists regularly admit that there is no explicit
biblical doctrine to back up their "revelations!" If you really cared, you'd
ask, and I'd accomodate the proof for you! I have quotes nearly at hand to
show you from well-known pretribulationists that *this is true!*
On the other hand, postribulationists do *not* admit a lack of biblical
theology supportings their belief. In fact I became a postribulationist many
years ago while memorizing 2 Thessalonians. I had been a pretribulationist,
but when I memorized chapter 2, I couldn't avoid the fact this passage
teaches explicit postribulational theology!
Let me paraphrase it: "Concerning the coming of the Lord Jesus for his
church, that day will not take place unless the son of perdition comes. Thus
the Lord will come for his church only after Antichrist's coming and at the
time of his ultimate destruction." Christ's coming for his church will *only
take place* in the context of Antichrist's destruction!
RSV Bible:
1 ¶ Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to
meet him...3 ¶ Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not
come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is
revealed, the son of perdition....8 And then the lawless one will be
revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and
destroy him by his appearing and his coming.
There is thus a big difference in the *way* pretribbers and postribbers
interpret Scriptures. Pretribbers rely on assumptions based on revelation.
Postribbers rely on what appears to them to be explicit biblical teaching.
Your attempt to paint all positions as equal isn't accurate, and isn't even
representative of what each side says.
randy
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
29 Aug 2005 06:58:31 PM |
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"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:nI-dnVFVf4Ad847eRVn-3A@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others
are about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Yes, I knew what you meant, but wanted to emphasize the fact you provided
absolutely no proof, one way or another. I think I'm going to take
"fact-checker's" advice and "go home!" (I said it, that settles it, now I
can go home!)
The point is, pretribulationists regularly admit that there is no explicit
biblical doctrine to back up their "revelations!" If you really cared,
you'd ask, and I'd accomodate the proof for you! I have quotes nearly at
hand to show you from well-known pretribulationists that *this is true!*
On the other hand, postribulationists do *not* admit a lack of biblical
theology supportings their belief. In fact I became a postribulationist
many years ago while memorizing 2 Thessalonians. I had been a
pretribulationist, but when I memorized chapter 2, I couldn't avoid the
fact this passage teaches explicit postribulational theology!
Let me paraphrase it: "Concerning the coming of the Lord Jesus for his
church, that day will not take place unless the son of perdition comes.
Thus the Lord will come for his church only after Antichrist's coming and
at the time of his ultimate destruction." Christ's coming for his church
will *only take place* in the context of Antichrist's destruction!
Yes, I've heard it all. Any number of times, right here on this newsgroup.
Same self-serving story. Another day.
Doug
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| User: "" |
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29 Aug 2005 02:04:44 PM |
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Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
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Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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29 Aug 2005 06:55:55 PM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
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| User: "" |
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29 Aug 2005 07:56:29 PM |
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Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
======
According to what you originally said:
If man A says that 2+2=5,
and man B says that 2+2=4,
then man B's statement is "self-serving".
That's baloney.
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
29 Aug 2005 09:30:27 PM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125363389.658694.95430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both
the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of
Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on
both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as
others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
======
According to what you originally said:
If man A says that 2+2=5,
and man B says that 2+2=4,
then man B's statement is "self-serving".
That's baloney.
And of course...they both believe that are right.....
Doug
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| User: "" |
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30 Aug 2005 05:38:36 AM |
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Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125363389.658694.95430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both
the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of
Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on
both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as
others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
======
According to what you originally said:
If man A says that 2+2=5,
and man B says that 2+2=4,
then man B's statement is "self-serving".
That's baloney.
And of course...they both believe that are right.....
Doug
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Only a blooming idiot would claim that a man who says 2+2=5
is the same as a man who says that 2+2=4.
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| User: "BoD ! © 2005" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
30 Aug 2005 06:34:53 AM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125363389.658694.95430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in
both
the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of
Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material
on
both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as
others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just
as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
======
According to what you originally said:
If man A says that 2+2=5,
and man B says that 2+2=4,
then man B's statement is "self-serving".
That's baloney.
And of course...they both believe that are right.....
Doug
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Only a blooming idiot would claim that a man who says 2+2=5
is the same as a man who says that 2+2=4.
Its much easyer to see if you use the correct starting point
Look at this this way then !
2+1=3 from YOUR point of view
But 2+1 does =4
it says so in the bible.
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| User: "Douglas W. Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
30 Aug 2005 09:25:25 AM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125398316.472573.101690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125363389.658694.95430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125342284.110829.186340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas W. Thomas wrote:
"randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote in message
news:LbGdndwMo_wsoI7eRVn-qw@wavecable.com...
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in
both
the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of
Revelation
and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material
on
both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
randy
It is most obvious. You are just as passionate in your belief as
others
are
about their belief. Even more obvious: you can't all be correct.
Doug
======
Even more obvious, that has absolutely nothing to do with the
definition of "self-serving".
Actually it does. Your opinion is self-serving to your belief...just
as
self-serving as the opinion/belief of others.
Doug
======
According to what you originally said:
If man A says that 2+2=5,
and man B says that 2+2=4,
then man B's statement is "self-serving".
That's baloney.
And of course...they both believe that are right.....
Doug
=========
Only a blooming idiot would claim that a man who says 2+2=5
is the same as a man who says that 2+2=4.
Only a blooming idiot would concoct such a comparison.
Doug
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29 Aug 2005 12:04:09 PM |
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randy wrote:
"Douglas W. Thomas"
"randy"
On the other hand, postribulationism is taught explicitly in both the
Olivet
Discourse and in 2 Thessalonians (as well as the book of Revelation and
Daniel).
And yet another self-serving interpertation...
Doug, I've discussed this stuff for decades. I've read material on both
sides. Just what do you mean by "self-serving?"
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You refuse to let him spoon-feed you, showing that you are self-fed.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
28 Aug 2005 11:19:42 AM |
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On 28 Aug 2005 03:01:38 -0700,
spake thusly:
randy wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Dispensationalism is what the end timers base
their whole belief structure on.
No it isn't. I'm an "endtimer," and I'm *not* a dispensationalist!
randy
========
Since I (an end-timer) know that the Bible says that the resurrection
and rapture come after the Great Tribulation, I often get into
arguments with such dispensationalists.
They claim that the rapture is at the figurative trumpet of Revelation
4:1.
I point out that I Corinthians 15:51-54 says that the resurrection and
rapture will be at the *last* trumpet, and the 7th Trumpet of
Revelation 11:15-19 is the last trumpet of the Bible, where it just so
happens talks about judging and rewarding the dead.
But those people who insist that the resurrection and rapture come
*before* the Great Tribulation have actually told me that... now get
this...
They claim that Revelation 4:1 is the last trump referred to by I
Corinthians 15:51-54, because it is the last trump of *that*
dispensation, and the 7th Trump of Revelation 11:15-19 is *not* the
last trump because that trump is in a *different* dispensation!!!!!!
So they claim that there are 7 trumps after the "last" trump because
the change in dispensations starts the count of trumps all over
again!!!!
So they claim that the 8th-to-the-last trump is the *real* "last
trump".
Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy.
Anyway, not all end-timers are dispensationalists, as you pointed out.
Sure you are. Without dispensationalism, you wouldn't
be looking at the text in the 21st century and claiming
that it hasn't happened yet. The only way to claim
that, is to claim that different portions of the Bible
apply to different times/ages. One cannot take a
statement like, "Behold, I come quickly" and claim it
hasn't happened for two thousands years, without
dispensationalism, period. So you people can deny it
all you want, but it is what you do. At least now you
understand that dispensationalism is a newer invention
and not the historic belief of the church. Now make
the rest of the journey to the historic faith. :)
--
Pastor Dave
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
"The mark of a society that's on its last leg, is when
there is no fear of God." - Adrian Rogers
"Theology and ethics are inextricably bound together.
Yet under the supposed banner of unity, we have
harbored enemy ships - as long as they flew our flag.
That policy must change. Tolerating enemies of the
historic Christian faith as though they were our
brethren is not love, but adultery. The substance
of the faith is the only basis for unity."
- The Agony of Deceit, p23
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
29 Aug 2005 11:33:06 AM |
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"Pastor Dave"
Anyway, not all end-timers are dispensationalists, as you pointed out.
Sure you are. Without dispensationalism, you wouldn't
be looking at the text in the 21st century and claiming
that it hasn't happened yet. The only way to claim
that, is to claim that different portions of the Bible
apply to different times/ages. One cannot take a
statement like, "Behold, I come quickly" and claim it
hasn't happened for two thousands years, without
dispensationalism, period. So you people can deny it
all you want, but it is what you do. At least now you
understand that dispensationalism is a newer invention
and not the historic belief of the church. Now make
the rest of the journey to the historic faith. :)
You're confusing Futurism with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is a
specific kind of theology that divides Israel from the Church in the present
age. Not all Futurists divide God's dealings between the Church and Israel.
Frankly, you're in dangerous waters if you think biblical prophecy is not
still being fulfilled. The gospel of salvation is still being fulfilled. If
you don't think so, you're wrong. And if you do think the gospel is still
being fulfilled, does that make you a "Dispensationalist?"
randy
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
27 Aug 2005 05:20:55 AM |
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Let's pray for the people on the Gulf Coast that they may be spared the
hurricane's wrath.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Dispensationalism - The Foundation of the End Timers |
27 Aug 2005 02:08:39 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:04:24 GMT, Pastor Dave
<news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
Dispensationalism is what the end timers base
their whole belief structure on.
http://www.theologicalstudies.org/dispen.html
Theology
See Also: Theory
Truth
See Also: Facts
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