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"rhuff163" |
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15 Dec 2004 11:01:03 PM |
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Divine character defined |
Devotional Guide
For the week of December 12, 2004
JESUS CAME EXACTLY ON TIME
Divined character defined
To Read: Ezekiel 16-18
To Know:
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin
revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be
death to me. For sin, finding opportunity in the commandment, deceived me
and by it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and
just and good." (Rom. 7:9-12)
We ran afoul of the law on a trip to Norfolk, Virginia. It happened when we
were driving down the Eastern Shore of Maryland. It was late at night. The
Cruiser that pulled us over was hiding behind a billboard at the end of a
long sweeping curve in the highway. This curve was a cleverly designed speed
trap. The law was rigged to insure that unsuspecting motorists would break
it.
The speed posted at the beginning of the curve was 55. At the opposite end,
next to the billboard, the posted speed was 35. By the time the 35-mile per
hour sign came into view it was too late to slow down. The cop behind the
billboard enjoyed the luxury of choosing his victim since every driver was
eligible for a ticket. On average the traffic exited the curve exceeding the
speed limit by 20 or 30 miles per hour. It was probably our out-of-state
plate that cost us a $50 fine.
Sinners can no more avoid breaking God's law than we could have avoided
arrest that long ago night. Unlike the Maryland authorities, God does not
phony the law to insure guilt and thus condemn otherwise innocent people.
The law of God defines the divine character. Every self-seeking man and
woman fits the biblical definition of sin. The purpose of God for the human
race was to create image bearers who would live for him alone.
To Do:
In Christ, the law that was a curse became a blessing. It is not because the
law has changed; rather it is because Christ changes us. New birth gives us
a heart for God's will which is expressed in his law.
12164$-12164
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
16 Dec 2004 01:11:30 AM |
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"rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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The purpose of God for the human race was to create image bearers who
would live for him alone.
So what you're saying is that the Christian God is self-centred because all
he wants is creatures who will constantly service *him*.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
18 Dec 2004 03:35:46 PM |
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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The purpose of God for the human race was to create image bearers who
would live for him alone.
So what you're saying is that the Christian God is self-centred because all
he wants is creatures who will constantly service *him*.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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Design From a Benevolent Creator
(5+Mb PDF file)
ftp://ccbible:fall2004@65.127.169.45/csi-100/public-design-from-a-benevolent-creator-1st-printing-11-28-04.pdf
Creation Studies Study Guide
(6+Mb PDF file)
ftp://ccbible:fall2004@65.127.169.45/csi-100/public-csi-100-study-guides-1-10.pdf
http://bibleweb.info/
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
17 Dec 2004 03:59:47 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:11:30 +1100, "Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)"
<nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
So what you're saying is that the Christian God is self-centred because all
he wants is creatures who will constantly service *him*.
Lose the attitude, but yeah. It no doubt hasn't occurred to you, but your
unwillingness to serve is proof of your self-centeredness ..
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
17 Dec 2004 04:53:26 PM |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:11:30 +1100, "Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)"
<nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
So what you're saying is that the Christian God is self-centred because
all
he wants is creatures who will constantly service *him*.
Lose the attitude, but yeah. It no doubt hasn't occurred to you, but your
unwillingness to serve is proof of your self-centeredness ..
The Christian God's self-centeredness is infinitely bigger than mine or
anyone else's. In fact it's roughly the same size as the human race itself.
Funny that.
And an attitude is necessary when there are lies and distortions being
continually propagated in the world.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "bbb" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
17 Dec 2004 10:00:57 PM |
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So what you're saying is that the Christian God is self-centred because
all
he wants is creatures who will constantly service *him*.
Lose the attitude, but yeah. It no doubt hasn't occurred to you, but your
unwillingness to serve is proof of your self-centeredness ..
Do we have children so that they can constantly service us? Of course not.
Now, since we were created in God's image, isn't it likely that he had other
reasons to make mankind besides mindless service? Isn't it more likely he
created us for companionship? More to the point, he probably created us to
serve as a vessel for his affection and love. God wants your love more than
your service.
bbb
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
17 Dec 2004 11:45:58 PM |
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"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
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Do we have children so that they can constantly service us? Of course not.
Obviously we are not like God.
Now, since we were created in God's image, isn't it likely that he had
other reasons to make mankind besides mindless service?
If he did have another reason then he would have told us when we ask but he
refuses to tell us anything about what he has in store for us. Very suss.
Isn't it more likely he created us for companionship?
Who's companionship?
More to the point, he probably created us to serve as a vessel for his
affection and love. God wants your love more than your service.
I thought God *was* love. Why does Love need someone else to love it/him,
and why does Love resort to killing billions to get it?
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
27 Jan 2005 04:53:08 AM |
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41c3c416$0$6542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
<snip>
I thought God *was* love. Why does Love need someone else to love it/him,
and why does Love resort to killing billions to get it?
No billions are killed, you really need to separate the blink of an eye
physical life illusion, from our real life in the eternal
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "bbb" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
19 Dec 2004 01:04:28 AM |
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41c3c416$0$6542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
news:ZXNwd.175652$6w6.10039@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Do we have children so that they can constantly service us? Of course
not.
Obviously we are not like God.
We are like God, but not God, obviously.
Now, since we were created in God's image, isn't it likely that he had
other reasons to make mankind besides mindless service?
If he did have another reason then he would have told us when we ask but
he refuses to tell us anything about what he has in store for us. Very
suss.
Actually, he did tell us (and still tells us), but some people refuse to
hear it.
Isn't it more likely he created us for companionship?
Who's companionship?
What is your point?
More to the point, he probably created us to serve as a vessel for his
affection and love. God wants your love more than your service.
I thought God *was* love. Why does Love need someone else to love it/him,
and why does Love resort to killing billions to get it?
I never said God is love. I never completely understood that one. I think
God is love and is more than love. You know, you might say I am confident
about God but agnostic about the Bible. The Bible is a great tool, but is
not the cornerstone of my faith. It is a book that contains some of God's
truth but certainly not all of it (its likely that it contains a bit of
man's truth as well). I guess this makes me a fundie with a grundie lol.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
I love the signature. Very cool.
bbb
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
19 Dec 2004 03:44:31 AM |
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"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41c3c416$0$6542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
news:ZXNwd.175652$6w6.10039@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Do we have children so that they can constantly service us? Of course
not.
Obviously we are not like God.
We are like God, but not God, obviously.
We're not like God in that we don't create dozens of children, test them all
for their loyalty, faith and servant suitability, pick a few, then trash the
rest.
Also, at least a human parent is not invisible and difficult (or impossible)
to converse with which also makes things a lot fairer.
If he did have another reason then he would have told us when we ask but
he refuses to tell us anything about what he has in store for us. Very
suss.
Actually, he did tell us (and still tells us), but some people refuse to
hear it.
If he had told us then someone would know by now but I've asked many and no
one knows why he created us other than 'he wants fellowship'.
Isn't it more likely he created us for companionship?
Who's companionship?
What is your point?
He obviously created us for his own benefit, therefore there is no
requirement for praise and worship, and unless he has an ego he won't ask
for it.
A benevolent creator would get all his satisfaction by seeing his creations
happy and living their lives and wouldn't want anything else in return.
Worship and sacrifices etc. were obviously man's idea and were the direct
result of a lack of communication between the deity and humans (or lack of
his/it's existence).
More to the point, he probably created us to serve as a vessel for his
affection and love. God wants your love more than your service.
I thought God *was* love. Why does Love need someone else to love it/him,
and why does Love resort to killing billions to get it?
I never said God is love. I never completely understood that one. I think
God is love and is more than love. You know, you might say I am confident
about God but agnostic about the Bible. The Bible is a great tool, but is
not the cornerstone of my faith. It is a book that contains some of God's
truth but certainly not all of it (its likely that it contains a bit of
man's truth as well). I guess this makes me a fundie with a grundie lol.
Myself, I doubt very much the bible's claim that God is a single individual.
There are too many reasons why the country leaders of the time would have
wanted to consolidate control over the people. This would be by far the best
way.
Changing words in a book before a print is easy.
Even now the bible still says things like "Let *us* make man in our image".
Who the hell is us?
There are many other such examples.
Do a search in http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/bible.html and you'll see
how many times it uses the plural "Gods" / "gods".
I believe that humans were most likely genetically engineered by advanced
races and have hidden almost all traces of their existence. There are even
ancient biblical paintings with saucers in the background.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
I love the signature. Very cool.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
28 Jan 2005 05:58:54 PM |
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Good work :-) As to people not hearing God, although He speaks to us, recall
the animals which escaped the tsunami.
"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
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"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41c3c416$0$6542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote in message
news:ZXNwd.175652$6w6.10039@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Do we have children so that they can constantly service us? Of course
not.
Obviously we are not like God.
We are like God, but not God, obviously.
Now, since we were created in God's image, isn't it likely that he had
other reasons to make mankind besides mindless service?
If he did have another reason then he would have told us when we ask but
he refuses to tell us anything about what he has in store for us. Very
suss.
Actually, he did tell us (and still tells us), but some people refuse to
hear it.
Isn't it more likely he created us for companionship?
Who's companionship?
What is your point?
More to the point, he probably created us to serve as a vessel for his
affection and love. God wants your love more than your service.
I thought God *was* love. Why does Love need someone else to love it/him,
and why does Love resort to killing billions to get it?
I never said God is love. I never completely understood that one. I think
God is love and is more than love. You know, you might say I am confident
about God but agnostic about the Bible. The Bible is a great tool, but is
not the cornerstone of my faith. It is a book that contains some of God's
truth but certainly not all of it (its likely that it contains a bit of
man's truth as well). I guess this makes me a fundie with a grundie lol.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
I love the signature. Very cool.
bbb
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Divine character defined |
18 Dec 2004 08:02:09 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:00:57 GMT, "bbb" <nospam@my.box> wrote:
God wants your love more than your service.
And deserves both. Rom 12:1
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